Do they have the votes on health care?

most of the 'shit' with it was cut in a rewrite, take another look?

Do you pay for cable? Do you pay for car insurance? Do you pay for internet? You don't need those three things. Those are wants. Cars are not a necessity...there is public transportation. People spend their money as they wish, and rightfully so, but if you're going to state you can't afford...you better mean it.

Fuck you Jammer. Why did have to crawl back out of your mommy's basement? Did she run out of cookies?

I pay for what I use. I don't pay for cable because it is not worth the price, so i don't have cable. I pay for car insurance because I have made the choice to use a vehicle. There have been times in my life when I have not owned a vehicle specifically for the reason that I didn't want to pay insurance fuckers who are only trying to bilk me out of my cash for no return. Currently, I have made the decision to own a vehicle and carry insurance because it permits me to do the work that I want to. My decision.

As far as medical services go, I don't use them. When I am ill, I don't run to the Dr. I take care of myself. When I have small injuries, I treat them myself. I have indeed refused medical service in the past when I've been in an automobile accident, exactly because I DIDN'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE. If, at some future time, I feel that I definitely need medical attention, I will seek out and find what I can afford, or else go without. That is my stand. That is my decision.

But who the fuck are you to tell me how to prioritize? Fuck you, Jammer. Don't presume to tell me "that I'd better mean it" when I say I can't afford something, you little fucking pussy. Go crawl back down into that hole in your mommy's basement. no one here has missed you, except for maybe chunkycheese. Now go on, hurry and flag this response before anyone else gets to see it so you can continue to hide behind your little Aldous Huxley mask, you maggot.

And please, don't bother responding to this because I won't waste any more of my valuable time on a little, twisted boy like you. We've been through this before.

You pay for internet because it's more important than your health? I don't know why you bother with congress's idea that fixing insurance solves the problem. getting rid of them solves the problem. Things are only expensive because the insurance company is the middle man. They are totally unnecessary. Keeping them and regulating them is like agreeing they are right to exist.

The portion of your comments that I do not agree with is you thinking you do not need health insurance. I will see you in the ER sooner or later. You ARE the reason are health insurance is out of control. We have to admit you to the hospital because we have an ethical responsibility to take care of you, regardless of your income. So you will cost the economy more money in the end because of your hubris (pride).

We have to change something, and I agree with Obama, we should provide you with some form of healthcare, and yes, you are going to have to pay something into it. Because sooner or later you are going to cost us more with your visits to the ER. Heart attack, NASCAR related drunken incident, lawnmower racing, diabetes, kidney failure, liver cancer. It happens to us all. Hence our increasing health cost.

1) As I stated before, I pay for what I use. If I can't afford something I make a different plan. You don't know me, you don't know my lifestyle, you don't know how I treat my body and you especially don't know my interaction history with the medical establishment. Speaking of hubris, don't tell me what I WILL DO if and/or when a major illness or injury befalls me. Or do you propose some sort of "medical police" who will come and drag me out of my bed to force me into a hospital?

2) If my government is going to force me to throw my cash into the pot for the common good, fine and well. I pay my taxes. I'm not one of these Grover Norquist, drown-the-government yahoos. But don't force me to give my hard-earned cash to some private fuck who already makes way more money than he/she should and who only works to deny me any return on my investment. Fuck that, if you want me to act for the common good, then my money better damn well go to the commons and not some rich bastard's pocket.

3) Are you trying to tar me as some right-wing, tea-bagging goof with your references to Nascar, drunkenness and lawnmower racing? That's one big problem with the DLC crowd who support this lame bill, you just can't get over the fact that many of us on the left think it's trash,too. If the dems wanted backing from those of us who are truly on the left, they should have just rammed medicare E down the repugs throats. But no, they also sold out to big insurance, big pharma and the hospitals just like the old boss.

4) I've made this argument twice on current and I hate to repeat it again. Don't try to sell me something by saying that we'll "tweak it" later. Congress lies out of their asses every day. I do not trust them. Obama is a misleading bastard as well. You would never purchase a broken item from a salesman, even if he really promised to come back and fix it in a week. Why would you trust the salesman? Why would you purchase a broken item? There is no reason whatsoever why we can't drop this and come back with a proposal for medicare E. Don't give me that 60 vote bullshit, don't give me any blue dog bullshit, if you want me to support a healthcare bill then just quit fucking around and do it.

1. The legislation will not allow the insurance company to deny your claims anymore.
2. They want everyone to have health insurance because uninsured people have been going to emergency rooms, instead of clinics, for non-emergency treatment. This has had two effects: There are now long wait times at emergency rooms, and the taxpayers are footing the bill, not the people who are using the service.
3. If you can't afford health insurance, there is a fairly good chance you can go on Medicare. If you can't afford it, but the government denies you medicare, the new legislation provides a tax credit for having health insurance.

I hope this has made you a little more confident in the bill.

Thanks for making it so clear .

More JJammer crap

You got that right !

Well anything will be better than what you have, that is for sure.

But one thing that just doesn't sink in to the American psyche is that there is no magic bullet. Health care will still be a cost. It is a big deal year after year tweaking the system and it even get more press and more real debate than even our participation in your war in Afghanistan.

You guys will finally regain your sanity when you spend more time and treasure on schools and health care than on your military.

And the inevitable march to socialism continues, if only in JonRaymond's head.

the issue with new orleans was corruption, not liberalism as you claim. Logically, a more liberal system would raise taxes and then spend that money on the levies. The levies broke from disrepair, caused by lack of money and/or attention, a problem that would've likely been exacerbated by the lower taxes a conservative government would have had.

Yeah, we all need to migrate to Europe and then vaporize what's left of this piece of shit country.

never give up.

A waiting list problem? Yeah, I guess it's better to just let 45,000 die every year instead of making them wait.

"IF YOU GOT THE MONEY"

This waiting list crap is exactly that, it is the rich saying that they deserve to live and the poor deserve to die.
The crazy thing is they really believe in the "deserve to die".

There is no America, let alone an American public. There is only Wall Street.

I always find it interesting when individuals who have not achieved anywhere even close to approaching the level of success or ability to influence that someone like Nancy Pelosi has achieved...yet feel qualified to post ridiculously photo shopped pictures of her as if that has some effect...you remind me of some kid 10 or maybe 11 years old drawing faces of the school principle with horns or a mustache...all it does is broadcast how impotent you are in the arena of politics.

That’s actually her real photo right after she got her Botox injections in her lips. You are probably not accustomed to seeing her like this, because you are used to seeing Nancy Pelozi in nicely posed, airbrushed photos in TIME magazine.

Agreed.

I'd love for you to post a picture of yourself with your real name. But obviously you have no balls.

Point well taken

Anonymity has it's place but definitely should not be abused as a shield for name calling.

My moniker as an homage to Johannes Sutter and shield not to protect me but to make my boss doesn't get associated with my politics. I am certain that if the NSA wants to know who is behind this moniker they already know.

There are many honorable reasons to use a moniker, but if you wear a mask as you throw bricks then you are just common thug.

I am certain you can come up with some real reasons why you disagree with Nancy and god forbid maybe even the novel solution to all of our health care problems. Why waste your time with non sequitur jpegs?

So I am gleaning that you are speaking for the majority of Americans? Do you have healthcare? Do you make more than $50,000 a year? I propose that we do something socially responsible and help the poor and needy, and not the smug and greedy.

Hint, the smug and greedy are the wealthy republicans.

No, I do not have health insurance. I work 3 jobs, 2 are full time and I can not afford higher prices and higher taxes. It is no one else's responsibility to provide anything to me, but the opportunity to make a living, not take it away.

Ok you don't have health insurance. And what will happen when as you cross the street someday and are hit by a car or a bus or what ever, what do you expect will happen and who will bear the cost? Should we leaving you bleeding on the side of the road? Pick you up and give you a $2000 dollar ride to the hospital and plunk you down in an overpriced hospital bed until we figure you can't pay your bills?

Or your heart attack on the way home from your third job? Same story somebody else picks up the bill for your irresponsibility.

That will never happen to you right? You are are perfect and immortal just like my eighteen year old son.

The whole point of health reform is that the way it is done now is too damned expensive and too wasteful.

So the solutions left are make sure everyone is insured
or
Provide national health care, no insurance
or
Spend money on ER care after its too late to for the cheap solution, like cut out the cancer before it grows too big, change the diet before diabetes sets in, clean the wound or take antibiotics before you have to amputate the leg.

You just don't understand that by not thinking about tomorrow you are stealing from everyone else.

It's expensive because of Health Care Insurance, this bill does NOT address that enough to make it change that much. We are going to pay more for what? Nothing.

If something ever happens to me I will work and pay the bill without asking you or anyone else for help. That's what a real man does.

You've earned your pay

Most of the fraud in medicare is done by the INSURANCE COMPANIES that are subsidized by medicare, not by medicare itsself.

Well stated.

Don't confuse them with facts..Fox news has made their minds up for them already

How the Hell do you cut the defecit by spending a Trillion dollars?Dont forget the 400 billion for the Doc Fix they took out to do seperately so the cbo could lie easier.

So you are advocating that the privatized insurance companies continue to dictate our healthcare needs? Based on our best interest or their bottom line profit margin?

I propose that the healthcare bill will help 30 million Americans that do not have healthcare. That the insurance companies will not be allowed to cancel insurance on people at will. Or deny people for pre-existing conditions.

I think the Govt will do a better job than the fat and greedy Insurance companies.

Fair and balanced is not Fox, that is for sure.

Well stated! At least someone is reading what is going on.