Proof That Jesus Existed: They Found the Nail Used to Crucify Him!

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I agree...Humans throughout the ages were and are the most corrupt, violent and the biggest liars in this universe. As for a birth certificate, the CFR has the power to falsify any document for anyone who will fill their agenda and can fool the people too. After all people are also the biggest gullible fools on the planet.in my 82 years, I wouldn't trust God either. When I look out in space and see the mess he has created if he did. No.. I prefer to worship someone who has contributed to the knowlledge and welfare of the human race, someone like Socrates, Plato, Carl Sagan or even a group of scientists who are still searching for the truth.

Jubal, how do you know that? Just curious as to how people say this so assuredly with no back up. I would say the Gnostic Gospels prove otherwise.

I'm just curious as to why religious people would say that fossils are a test of faith. I'd say Jubal is actually thinking, so he gets points for that at least.

I do not know if he never existed - but his name and reputation was used completely. The football of the post Roman world.

And then the dark ages. Talk about a bad dream from which the world can't be awoken. The abuse of humanity by abusing religious hope. A porage of the weak and the evil and the blind leading the blind.

How will the future relegate this horrid pall? - They'll say, "Just look at their money"

Yeah - it's like everybody means well - they try. It's trying for the right and the good, but this religion idea, it's like you're holding on to a rock - it isn't your idea, somebody handed you the rock and you took it; maybe when you were 12, maybe 32 - but your body is walking down the path of life and your hands are holding on to this rock, way back in the past.
You're going forward but you're turned around and your arms are all spindly, stretched way back in time to that rock.

And it's not true! - Let go of that anchor and get use of your arms again!

You won't lose anything that is good - only a whole big suitcase of bad. Steamer-trunk.

You don't need those false images to have your own true inner self and 'spiritual' life!

That is you! You won't lose it. That's all good stuff.

You've just had a pack of false terms hung on things from way back when.

get free

Those people in the past - who wrote all the scriptures and stories and stuff, - sorry, but they really just didn't know what they were talking about.
They didn't have enough information.

That's the truth.

Jan, I love the Jesus that I learned about through my Gnostic Gospels. However what really concerns me is that Jesus' historicity has never been proven. There have been many archaeologists who have come forward and claimed to have found things that prove his existence, then they are debunked or is it counterpropagandized? I am not sure what to call it.

For example there is the Shroud of Turin. There are two documentaries one that says its real and another that says it was a fake. There was the whole mystery of the grail, what is it, is it a cup, a challis or a vagina? Was Mary Magdalene the Holy Grail? Why did such an order emerge like the Knights Templar to protect a secret? Why was there a counter movement within the Church headed by the Jesuits called the Priori of Zion? Why were such famous historically verified people like Da Vinci or Galileo members of the Priori? What secrets were they harboring?

The one thing that comes to my mind is the saying that "Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny." The name of Jesus and person of Jesus has been used to create a tyranny of people's souls, their minds, their spirits....some of it good....but much of it evil and bad.

I have studied extensively the history of the Roman Catholic Church which is the mother of all the Christian denominations and that study has led me to understand that Jesus was as much a political figure as he was a religious figure, let alone a savior. In fact more people have been murdered in the name of Jesus than I care to think about, because it makes me profoundly sad. The Jesus I know would never tolerate any of what is being done in his name today. It is the utter corruption of the religion and the politicizing of Jesus that makes me question whether he ever really existed at all.

But then when I read the amazing things that Jesus said and did it fills me with hope and makes me dream of wonderful things, of wonderful times to come, and what is possible if everyone followed the Golden Rule. I emulate Jesus in my personal life, I actually live the way Jesus said we should live. I pray for my enemies, I suffer with those in pain and I reach out and walk the extra mile for those in need. I do everything I can to take responsibility for the consciousness I posses and not to live with resentments or fear in my life. This is why I said that some of what has come out of the person of Jesus is good. People's lives are transformed when they actually follow Jesus sayings.

But then you run into all sorts of nastiness when you start to pay attention to the words of Paul. According to Romans and Acts, Paul never knew Jesus in the flesh, and yet Jesus came to him and gave him a new revelation, only to him? And suddenly his writings and words become more important than Jesus words? Something is wrong with this picture. Why would Jesus do that? Its completely out of character for him based on his personality profile as described in the four accepted Gospels.

I read this very interesting website the other day in Spanish about why Jewish people don't believe in Jesus. I must tell you that there was a few things that gave me cause to think.

One thing was this. If Jesus did not have an earthly father, Joseph, than how could he be an heir to the throne of David? That is a good question. But if Jesus was just a mortal man like all the rest of us, then you may be able to make a case.

Here is my bottom line opinion about whether or not Jesus was born of a virgin, was the only son of God, preached in the temple, overturned the tables of the moneychangers, worked miracles, raised the dead, then voluntarily gave himself up and was nailed to a cross and died and was resurrected, I think that whole story was made up by people who saw their power being taken away and created a mythological person to keep their power.

Now was there a human being named Jesus who did amazing things and impressed so many people and said so many amazing life changing things? I would be inclined to say YES! The human being Jesus is much more powerful than the mythological Jesus. Because it would be easy for a God to endure the suffering that Jesus reportedly went through, but it would be miraculous for a mortal human like us to endure such suffering and still pray for his enemies. That is an extremely powerful message. That is life changing.

This is why I love the movie "The Last Temptation of Christ" because it depicted Jesus the man, full of fear, worries, doubts, human frailties, love, laughter, tears, compassion. That depiction emphasized the humanity of Jesus.

I think all the goodness we are ever going to find, comes right out of us. Might as well take responsibility for it. Thinking it comes from elsewhere is diluting it's actual power and not respectful of ourselves.

We da one - we come up with our thoughts and beliefs.

Jubal,

I think Jesus did indeed exist. I believe he was married, and may even have had a bloodline. It was simply custom of the times for a Jewish man of his age to have a companion. I also believe him to be a great scholar, teacher, and a man who brought us the secrets to enlightenment. He was not here as a master, but as a teacher to enlighten us to the fact that we are all masters and teachers. For me, he is comparable to Buddha (he existed for certain didn't he, or did he?) The point I was trying to make is that no one can say with any degree of certainty that Jesus never existed. I believe the Gnostic gospels, and I believe in the message Jesus the man brought to us. That there is much more to us than this mortal coil. There are many levels of consciousness leading to the divine light within us, and only through looking into ourselves and living our lives in a way that seeks that light will we ever reach it. And while yes, I cannot say with certainty he did exist in the physical way others need to know to believe, that could be said about many others in ancient history as well. Why people need to believe he never existed is what intrigues me.

I like what you said and I concur with it. I too believe that if he did indeed exist, he was born a flesh and blood with both a human mother and a human father. I also believe that he would have been married and Magdalene was the likely wife. I too believe there is a bloodline, if indeed he existed. All of that I can get behind, provided we are talking that he was a man and also God in the sense that we are all God.

Well, like Thomas Jefferson I hold Jesus in high esteem as a great man "of God" as he taught us we all are, and tend to discount the "mumbo jumbo" of it all on all sides which is why the Jefferson Bible is a good read for those who question the teachings of Jesus Christ. I also believe he may well have been crucified, but the resurrection spoken of was not a physical one. It was a spiritual manifestation of the light he found within himself on his own journey. It was his showing his disciples and the world that gnossis was indeed the way. And of course as we already know, the Council of Nicea was hellbent on making sure that the equality Jesus preached regarding spirituality ( and including women as equals) was quashed as it represented a threat to their own power. So they sought to diminish the man he was and focus on divinity instead of humanity, which in my opinion are one. Thanks for your responses here on this.

no, how can you say he did exist....from the so-called gnostic gospels?

Because in the Gnostic gospels he is presented as a human being, not a god myth.

good point... and we have wine because they drank all of jesus' blood before we got to it.

...that's tongue in cheek, isn't it, sure, please say it is....maaaaaaaaaate...

Naa man that would be a coffen nail they were Nine Inch's long Hence forth NiN.

I've heard, like everyine, about the Shroud - etc, etc. Then it was on the cover of Time Magazine.
I looked and thought the magazine cover was running a made up graphic - a cartoon of the real Shroud. But NO! It was the actual Shroud.
Obvious painted, river-like lines representing blood and that harringbone weave - nice linen! Not from Roman times - a church tablecloth - but nothing else.

I know old things, it's my job. I'm real good at it -

The Shroud is 100% a fake. There's a reason they have only allowed those dingy negatives - a real, clear photo exposes it completely.

If you look at a good picture, it looks as phony as that crusifiction hanging at the top of the staircase in the Blues Brothers movie - !! :-} -True! Almost sacrilegious. Just plain ridiculous.

I think I read where the Shroud was also found and kept by the knights Templar. These troops were certainly extremists in the strictist sense. I wonder if they may have created these hoaxes for amusement or did they really believe them.

You got to see a good, positive print photograph - it is something only a very few, pedestrian locals would get fidgety about - but as soon as a larger interest came, it undoubtedly flipped them out and they knew they had to start double talking and back-peddling before anyone got a good look at it.

"Igor, quick, put more paint, whatever - hurry up. Fuck it, HIDE IT!"

Talk fast. Talk faster.

Ha, ha...good point, brother!

LMAO +^'d

That's not a birth certificate. I'll buy you some glasses 'cuz you need them. That is a certificate of live birth and not even an original but a recently printed one. Do you see any little Obama feet there oh wise one? Give me a break, you believe what you want to believe. I could not get a job in the FBI using that certificate, how does Barack get a job as President using it? Answer that for me and then I'll listen to your 'sheesh' sheeple. You keep believing a man that has lied on every one of his campaign promises and delivers to you a manufactured CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH and I recommend you see a shrink. Your logic comes from a comic book, my friend. Keep trying though, you amuse me, giggle.

Nice,neobozo, you proved it yourself. Check the date out. Does nobody in his family have a copy of his birth certificate or a certificate of live birth from the year he was born. Answer, no and they never will because he signed an order having his school and other records sealed from view. How convenient and weird that nobody has ever done this before. Water that Chia head of yours and maybe a brain will grow. Come on, did we lose the ability to reason as well as all sense in America.

Unfortunately Christianity is forced on us by church, military, government and the idiots who try to brainwash us.

That is a birth certificate. Very few people in this day and age can even get a physical copy of their original birth certificates because practically every state of the union has gone digital. Certificates of live birth are what is issued to document the birth. The records are taken from the data base or the microfiche.

That is the way it is in this country.

Even the copy that I have of my birth certificate is 6 years after I was born. It has a seal on it but the document is practically crumbling into bits. I have it in an acid free sheath.

Why do you need physical PROOF of Obama's birth, anyway? He was raised in America. He's an American.

Am I 100% positive I was born in Texas? I have a certificate; my parents told me so; there are newspaper announcements; yet can I be SOOOO certain? Nope.

Get over it!

"neobozo(ahh... name calling... nice...), you proved it yourself. Check the date out." Yes, the date is part of the stamp where the state worker verified the legality of the birth certificate. Did you even go to factcheck via the link? Or did you just respond to the picture?
Would it be better coming from a Fox News anchor? http://www.examiner.com/x-3108-Baltimore-Republican-Examiner~y2009m7d23-Enough-o...

Number one, he wasn't 'raised' in America. He spent his later years in Hawaii but his earlier formative years were in Indonesia and Africa. Two, the reason I need Obama's birth certificate is because it is a requirement for the position we hired him for. Anybody else not meeting a requirement as such would be fired. Three, why doesn't he show it? Four, I checked the Kuran, the Bible, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution and I can't seem to find the part in any of them where politicians are exempt from the rules we must abide by. Yet, we allow this to happen time and time again at all levels of government and this must stop if we are ever to get to where we want to be. He should be required to show it like anyone else would, hiding it just makes you wonder, no, know something fishy is going on. He's former CIA and has proven himself to be willing to take orders from the higher ups so it's very possible he was groomed for his position, his past 'edited' and his position that of a puppet. A good Patriot asks questions, this is a big one that makes no sense for anyone to give a 'pass'. Yes, Bush was awful but we can't let more of the Constitution slide away just because we're happy to be rid of the Cheney monster.

Ummmm, again that is not a birth certificate. The date verified means also the date printed or we would be seeing a copy of the one momma or grandma kept in the file cabinet and wouldn't need a stamp. But, once again, this is a certificate of live birth which can be forged or printed at any given time. A BIRTH CERTIFICATE WITH HIS LITTLE OBAMA FEET AND A DATE AND A PLACE OF BIRTH IS WHAT I ASKED FOR. Show that or quit wasting bandwidth. You just keep it up and keep it up with your denial that he doesn't have one because he's not American. Of course Hawaii and that hospital would have no problem going along with the CIA's request for a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH. They couldn't fake the birth certificate but anybody with access to the hospital's computer could make a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH. Now, quit with the naivety, please.

So his family lost the original, a family with blue blooded ancestors and lots of history doesn't hold on to a birth certificate? A man destined to be President and the type of family that would raise this man wouldn't keep a birth certificate? Not so much.

Look, I am only three months younger than Obama. I don't have a copy of my original birth certificate. I have a copy that is from when I was 9 years old and we had to get that so I could transfer to Catholic School from Public School. Many people don't have copies of their original birth certificate. You are barking up a tree that isn't even there.

With all your intelligence, why don't you go after something else than this useless birth certificate crisis that isn't real.

When I was a kid I used to say, I want to be President one day. Did my parents keep my original, NO. They had to turn that one in to the public school when I started in Kindergarten.

Your logic is flawed because you are using your bias as the basis of your reality that you are trying to force everyone else to accept.

I am at my brothers office and didn't want to sign out and then back in so I'll answer from his account. I voted for Obama so there is no 'bias' in my opinion. I started investigating him when he decided to start doing the opposite of all of his promises. Then, we he signed an executive order to close all of his personal and school records a big monstrous flag jumped in front of my face. At this point he is nothing more than George W. in a slicker suit. A liar is a liar and with as many lies as this man has told since he's been elected I question everything until proven. One of my favorite subjects of study is WWII and I am seeing way too many signs of a return to that era. I also don't like anyone ever involved in the CIA and question his 'rise to power'. He leaves a lot of questions unanswered and has been given a clean slate by the government run corporate media and that makes my inquisitive mind go crazy. I can't stand unanswered questions. So, it's not actually against Obama, the man, it's against Obama, the liar.

Well the other thing that I didn't say before but I will say now is that we have a shadow government in this country in the form of three large councils. They aren't officially "governing bodies" but they do govern. Anyone who is anyone is part of one or more of these councils or commissions. I bet you can name at least two of them, perhaps all three. They are in competition with one another.

Can you name them?

Also why are you discussing and bringing up Obama's birth certificate on a discussion about Jesus? Are you that desperate about this subject that you have to bring it up here? I don't get the connection between Obama and Jesus.

Ah, it was just a quick remark earlier that triggered other remarks and so on. Just used his name as sarcasm and responses kept going. I do understand the 'shadow government' and that is exactly why I don't take sides, red vs blue, etc. because the two parties are just a front for these councils. The government and media, however, have done their jobs to create an atmosphere where any mention of a 'shadow government' brings out the conspiracy haters. Funny thing when planning on how to break up with your significant other is a 'conspiracy', lol.

Since they found this on the Madiera Islands off the coast of Africa, what more could they have carried this far and the nail may very well have been used on Madiera for some big execution by Crucifiction. Im betting these nails were sold through out the known world of that time.

Stranger things have happen. Didn't some guy say there is one born every second?

AHAH! that shit is too funny

Great image

...namaste...

You're into the environment - how 'bout Universe?

Come on now, what's wrong with Universe?

" Only through our own introspection" so true only though our own private, educated, personal introspection can we ever hope to reach a level of peace with both ourselves and the world around us. I don't judge anyone's belief system and couldn't careless what they think of mine.

Also, you have pegged it - your own introspection - it is the sum and total of your religious basis and all you.

The peace, the spirituality that anyone experiences - is - all from them. They are the power. They and no one else.

How many religions have there been and how many genuine believers, genuinely believing?

You see? It's you, you, you. You are more than you have been allowing yourself - YOU are that that you believe.

The military dominance of the Knight Templars is definitely up for debate but The Knights Templar were the elite fighting force of their day, highly trained, well-equipped and highly motivated. The Templars were also master military tacticians using their mobility, heavy armored calvary to defeat much larger enemies. In 1177 during the Battle of Montisgisard a group of 500 knights under King Baldwin and 80 Templars defeated Saladin and his force of 26,000 soldiers. Saladin quickly got his revenge 1187 came the disastrous Battle of the Horns of Hattin, the Templars were out smarted by Saladin got caught out in the desert sun and after suffering severe damage from the blistering desert sun were crushed by Saladin's forces. After retreating to Acre and a drawn out two year siege the Crusaders and the Templars had to surrender to Saladin and Jerusalem. This was the end of the Templar's military dominance and after the bullshit with the King of France and the Order being labeled heretics a chapter in history was closed and a time of myth, legends and obsession began. Yes, there is an unhealthy obsession with the Templar's and their massacre of non-christians can not be denied. But from a purely military point of view they were an early example of a specialized, deadly unit....Also, your right the early Christian Church grab everything they could from the "Holy Lands" claiming they were "Holy Relics"

Saladin was a Kurd.

Correct, he was a Kurdish Muslim...what does that have to do with anything I wrote?

Saladin, you wrote about Saladin.

I am missing something here.

Oh yea that will do it.

...nail sale...

Got that Jesus Nail for tha Low Low

John Boehner believes he 's God.

HOW IS THIS NUMBER ONE?!? YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES. I VOTED THIS DOWN. Thanks for wasting my time eva2 and every asshole who voted this up.

Chill. It's not that big of a deal.

...how's that prozac workin' for ya...no offence...xxx

one of my favorites is the 'healing of the blind'... if he could magically heal a blind man, why not magically heal ALL blind people?

Hey sounds like your haveing just a good weekend as I am

Don't hold back almibry tell us how you really feel about it all. just let it out don't be shy your amonst friends.

Well who would be selling pencils on the street corner

pencils? oh yeah, I almost missed that one. lol.

A job for everyone that wants one. nothing wrong with that. Beside someone has to push pencils. God only knows they don't push them selves.

...I think he dug, the personal touch, layin' on of hands...besides his Daddy is the best AD man in the universe...

...easy...
-immaculate conception - Bales
-burning things that talk - George Wubalya
-animals that talk - Mr Ed
magic trees etc etc - Glen Beck..

thank you, thank you...throw money...

Screw prozac.