Bernie Madoff beaten up in jail

Well, I wasn't really trying be informative by shedding light on our obviously shitty jail system, I just thought that the dude I was responded to actually believed that the reform of privately owned prisons was a good idea in comparison to the public systems.

They are filled with hate and evil! They wish harm on others, they want revenge more than justice. The ex-Trotskyist neocons and the Keynesian liberals are all alike.

What we need are more classical liberals/paleoconservatives!

Peace

Exactly!

That's what I said, and people started to compare me to Nazis.
+^'d for thinking the same thing.

I agree with you, lots of crazy people out there...

he is lucky the collective didn't cut his head off!

But it's about uncle bernie.

If not one but many people get killed in prison it makes it ok? Maybe we all need to change that. People today are angry and insensitive to human suffering, violence, abuse, corruption and that is very wrong.

We are reforming our prisons! We are handing them over to private entities in order to ensure that abuse isn't such an isolated problem.

That'll learn them heathens!

Is this sarcasm?

Some of the most wicked shit happens in privately owned prisons. My boyfriend's brother, who was transferred to one of those private institutions from a state prison, said that the guards often dealt drugs with the inmates. There were constant beatings that were usually associated with rape, and there was basically so much madness in there that he often feared for his life!

you should smoke a bowl and calm down. you just asked that an 18 yr old caught with bud be raped in the ass because the government runs monopolies on drug trades. you are not the Sean Conner we need. Where's arnold?

"Get on 'za Chopper"

Uhm...yes.

That stuff happens in all prisons. Try one of the public prisons in downtown New York one night.... private prisons should still have to conform to the constitution and would at least cutdown on costs. The problem is, the prison industrial complex works both private and public prisons now. The subsidization effect happens in both sectors. They are all government lobbyist contractors one way or another....

i can't believe I'm living in a country where we're talking about "private" prisons. Yea america is a pretty effed up country...

There's no government shoe factories, does that mean we are shoeless? What is the difference in funding regardless? You think there is less corruption in the coercive/public sector versus the private/voluntary sector? There have been private prisons and jails for a long time, and the prison industrial complex funds both. You are still not looking at the source of the problem, and that is the abuse of individual rights. This world is pretty messed up, because most people don't understand individual rights.

Oh, okay. I can now sleep comfortably at night.

So you are against the constitution? You spit on the 8th amendment?

You just admitted you are pro-torture! Bush would be proud!

I'm pretty sure I didn't say I was pro-torture and that certainly doesn't mean I'm pro Bush or any other political view. Perhaps, I was implying that Madoff should have had to answer to the 1,000's of people he exploited and ripped off. Are you suggesting that you feel sorry for Bernie Madoff and if so why? Do you stick up for career criminals who rape children and women and then get beat up in jail too?

I would advise not assuming something from a vague comment such as the one I made.

I have an idea, don't do the crime and you won't have to do the time.... However, seeing as this will never be the case what are you (shanklinmike) doing about these terrible wrongs in our justice system to make them right?

Trying to educate people on their individual rights (a term people should google and research). Obviously, nothing else is working....

what do you have in mind? please, constructive criticism.... my ears are open.

You are looking at the symptoms and not at the root. This behavior will continue with corporate personhood, government backed corporatism, and fiat currency that can be printed out of thin air to satisfy bureaucrat's lobbyists without raising taxes. If you just keep looking at the symptoms, you are no better than the DEA and the war on drugs. The structure we live under needs to change back to a market economy, where corporations are not allowed negative externalities to drive out competition, where they are not allowed to use tariff imports to out price smaller competitors, where red tape can only be done by 40 corporate lawyers driving away small business. What we need is LESS centralization, less statism slavery! What we need is to end the statist system that acts as a cancer versus the fake security system is sells to the public through it's 6 corporate media outlets!

Peace

I support your position.

Can't say I feel "sorry" for him either, but we must look at this from outside the box, for future generations and the world we are leaving them. This should not occur in our society. We should be outraged that our justice system has failed, regardless of the criminal it was directed towards.

POV of someone who didn't get ripped off. You'd whistle a different tune if you got shanked by this parasite.

No, I would still defend reforming the prison system and not allowing this to happen. I would not turn my back on the 8th amendment and I would not laugh at mandatory torture. I would still defend the future integrity of the system and defend the rights of future generations.

Not there's descriptive hate...lol

goodness gracious

How can people WANT others to be hurt?

We should set the example! No torture, obey the 8th amendment, we need to fix our justice system, not cheer on its destruction!

woah enough with the sodomy already...there are gentlemen present :P

Wow so much hatred. Remember this is only about the money.

Or principle. How many other people who screwed over the average citizen were punished? I think this guy deserves the full experience.

principle?...yea how about the respect for human life and it's need for compassion?...so far all of your comments on current have been extremely negative...is it period or boyfriend problems?We're here to help

You hit the nail in the head!

Do you hear yourself? It's the same as killing every German for the crimes of Nazis, or kill every white person for slavery, or imprison every person for potential treat of the child abuse.

I didn't say anything about killing him, but what's the point of putting him in jail if we're just going to feel sorry for him.

No, it's the internet jackass. Do you expect reasonable people to gather here? I'm reasonable in person. Here, you can't beat me up and I get to releases some unresolved stress that's built up from constant contact with stupidity that builds up pretty damn fast.

I did not say you should feel sorry for him, and no one should rejoice and celebrate another human's suffering either. He has rights to not be tortured just like you and I have. We have greed driven society and I bet many people who posted comments full of anger and hate would take an opportunity to become rich just like Madoff did. Given the opportunity not many would say no to power and money which always comes with corruption.

Great. First you say I want to commit genocide, now you're calling me a thief! Look, just because you don't understand or appreciate my brand of humor, it doesn't mean you can be slanderous!

Or if you are going to be slanderous, be a little more benign and stop insinuating that I would do things to destroy the lives of hundreds or thousands of people. Call me an insensitive bitch or something on a smaller scale.

What? You really need to drink less coffee.

Please read my response again... Where did I call you a thief?

I don't think there is any value in further advancing this conversation.

"Do you hear yourself? It's the same as killing every German for the crimes of Nazis... many people who posted comments full of anger and hate would take an opportunity to become rich just like Madoff did."

And you're right, the only thing I could ad is you should have shut up a while ago.

No, I expect this sort of legal inefficiency as well....

Then vote the story down if it bothers you so much. I did. You all should. This doosh bag doesn't deserve you're attention.

This has nothing to do with the victims and more to do with a legal system that is fair and transparent. What we need is to not cheer abuses in our legal system and to protect the civil liberties and future of our grandchildren from government. I am not defending the actions, nor indicating whatsoever any correlation with his crimes. This should not be allowed in our society, we are suppose to set the bar, not become the animal.

yo mr. peaceful, why is 'Shank' in your username. The legal system didn't kick his ass, INMATES DID!!

I mean the guy is alive which means the guards stopped the fight. So they are protecting him. What's seems to be the problem?

The question is, how long did it go on? The guards must have known something like this was inevitable. How were the inmates so easily accessible to this man? If they allowed this to go on, that is endorsement of torture. Whether they want to or not, they are not allowed to do this and should do what is right. Encouraging coercion and violence will only beget more violence and coercion in our society. Imagine how many kids will see people saying, yeah, hang that guy, rape that guy, kill that guy! Is this what you want your children to think? It's sick in my mind, and I have little acceptance for those who would rather focus on harming 1 person than protecting the law and order in prison.

I'm not as much mad that Madoff got his butt kicked, it has nothing to do with the man itself. The system funds this with my tax money under the promise that this will not occur (or at least it isn't suppose to). I fear for future convicts who are wrongly accused being placed in this scenario. I think of the Trillions of human lives that are still yet to live through this world and the civil liberties and decency we should portray if we are going to have an image as a society.

well, no of us know because they won't release that information. It's not like we even have a pic of the guy post-ass whooping. The story could be a media lie and cover-up.

Who knows the truth....

Peace

He'll die in prison, the government just sees him as a cost structure, while the lobbyists (government contractors) see him as a profit from the government contract.

What I'M talking about is defending the 8th amendment and correcting our failed prison system. You see Madoff getting beaten up, I see this as a small piece in a bigger problem in the prison system. Peace

Yes, there are many others. That Fold or Fuld who is now being investigated. Bernie is just one of many.
I think people concentrate on him because he hurt people who knew him personally, and hurt Jewish Chairities who trusted him.

Actually I thought it was pretty much former President George W. Bush who gets blamed for ruining the entire economy.

There's reasons to be upset at all of them

I am referring to politicians who betray people every day and are NOT held accountable yet our victim and revenge centric society is all too happy to blame ALL on one person. Where is the anger towards our corrupt judicial system that incarcerates a person for life for a non-violent crime, and even worse allows a non-violent person be tortured and beaten in prison for life.
In this case punishment does not fit the crime. A better solution would be a life sentence to contribute to society and work with disadvantaged.

its called a scapegoat. he is being pampered in prison. and to make us think like he isn't they released a story that he got his ass whooped. i highly doubt it. He has knowledge that could put powerful people in jail, but no--he's just kicking it.

just wait, when Obama doesn't get re-elected, he'll pardon Madoff without anyone knowing.

Serious? You think Obama would pardon Madoff?

You think he is pampered in prison? He lied to everybody, he has been exposed, he is nothing to the system now....plus he's bankrupt (or at least has no funds he can access).

stop complaining about millions being tortured. all your posts sound like is whining. why don't you put up a solution or a suggestion or a link to a group doing what your asking for. Shoot you could go be his new attorney and get him out of jail b/c the old rich crook finally got what was coming to him.

I don't want him out of prison, I want people to understand natural law and individual rights.

NO DEATH PENALTY!