Life in America seem drab, College too expensive, Food is all GMO, Healthcare got you down, want more from life? Why not move to another country! Try France!

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- RaceBannon
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Oh yea if you know about other countries please post, this post is for information. So try to play nice :)
Hi Fred,
It took me a moment to compile this but I hope this might help:
The process is not easy in the sense and depending on your home location you may have greater problems (ie refugee country for example). It also can be expensive and some people may find it more comfortable to have a job waiting for them before they leave the states. However it may be possible to find a job when you go to france for the first time. However keep in mind legislation is geared toward keeping citizens employed before immigrants, so you need to highlight something you can do that a citizen can't (i.e- teach in english, or work in english). Anyway this is how I suggest going about moving to another country my example is France, but it should be somewhat similar for other countries.
Ok paperwork
Make sure you have your passport from your home country
You may need to go to the foreign embassy for the country which you're planning to migrate and obtain a visa, I think a travel visa will do the trick.
When you arrive to France you should go to the consulate and seek a "carte de sejour", this is not citizenship but its an indication of you wanting to stay in the country longer than your visa period. I think this allows access to medical care, but I need to check with my folks first. After that period you need to apply for citizenship again at the consulate this is where you need to have some paperwork.
You'll need:
1. An address in france (for your long stay visa or carte de sejour)
2. Birth certificate
3. Visa - student, work, long stay (likely the long stay will be your choice)
4. proof of employment (for a work visa)
5. you may need to show you have an income, or the money to live in france. They don't get too excited by I'm broke because usually it means a drag on the system
6. proof of education (not needed but it helps big time, being educated in france is key especially if you're foreign)
This is a time taking ordeal so be prepared for the wait, of course there is no definite route but here's some extra tips.
To speed things learn the language, immerse yourself in the culture, become a true french person it helps big time in ways I can't describe with words. You might end up dating the consulate person, who knows life is tricky.
Look for work the first chance you get, usually its a resume and picture. For discrimination reasons this policy may become illegal
Learn all about the country, your rights, you have rights as a foreigner, you even can get a stipend from the government in order to help you get started i think 200 € a month (even before you are a citizen). It isn't much but you wont starve and its great if you're staying somewhere rent free.
Trust me if you're serious France is a wonderful country with many opportunities for someone looking to have a better quality of life. Unemployment is high, the culture is a little difficult to assimilate into especially if you don't conform, and the french are semi nationalist but you can see a doctor if you want, seek higher education without worry, pursue the arts with a grant from the state and raise a family for little cost. Its amazing how great that country is for family life, I've never seen homeless children in my years living there and if you decide to start a life there you wont regret a thing. Even better with the EU if france is not for you, then later you can move to another country for a slightly easier process. A little forewarning the french are the master bureaucrats any error on your papers could mean disaster and delay so be thorough and don't assume anything when filling out your applications.
there's also many resources on the net here's a few:
for jobs, etc:
http://www.expatriates.com/
for details:
http://www.transitionsabroad.com/publications/magazine/0001/moving_to_france.sht...
http://gofrance.about.com/od/preparingforyourmove/Preparing_for_Your_Move_to_Fra...
for americans who want to speak to americans in france:
http://www.americansinfrance.net/MovingPlanner/
for housing:
cheap and random
http://www.couchsurfing.com/
& the obvious
www.craigslist.org
government/paperwork
french consulate america
http://www.info-france-usa.org/spip.php?article330
migration (in french) this is important btw
http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/
Bonne chance
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ampersand
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Great and entertaining comments. (Except of course for johnny-one-note, of course..)
In regard to the topic, I can only say that two of my significant others both love France. (One actually was levitating with joy when she stood in the courtyard of the Louvre; another finds perfect bliss in the tiny obscure restaurants and medieval art.) Another friend has happily and permanently moved her family there. It's certainly good to have a place in Paris as well as in the country for that though.
I, myself, prefer another country, which will remain nameless here because I don't want to even inadvertently encourage any drop-ins anywhere in the world. As Unimatrix so aptly noted however, happiness is internal, and doesn't really have a geographic solution.
(However I'd also note an exception to that rule in my own contentment here as I look at the wide beautiful blue ocean..)
The world, of course, is our country.
(Now if we could only do something about that pesky immigration problem....) - 1 year ago
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ampersand
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insaintity
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“Nationalism is our form of incest, is our idolatry, is our insanity. ''Patriotism'' is its cult. It should hardly be necessary to say, that by ''patriotism'' I mean that attitude which puts the own nation above humanity, above the principles of truth and justice; not the loving interest in one's own nation, which is the concern with the nation's spiritual as much as with its material welfare /never with its power over other nations. Just as love for one individual which excludes the love for others is not love, love for one's country which is not part of one's love for humanity is not love, but idolatrous worship.” - Erich Fromm
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insaintity
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Sublime_Emperor
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and not be able to find a job!
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Sublime_Emperor
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BIGDADDYMELVIN [removed]
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CaptB
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BIGDADDYMELVIN:
Didn't meet a lady in France that didn't dress well and practice the same grooming standards that we do. The difference was in France they were all well dressed, thin, and VERY polite. Coming back to America was shocking to see our level of obesity and rudeness.
Ironically, without the French we never would have found nationhood. It took Benjamin Franklin over 7 years to maneuver himself politically to gain enough of their favor. We owe the French our very freedom that we enjoy today.
So it is Ironic that you say that we bailed them out. We were paying them back from saving us from Britain.
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CaptB
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cracanata
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BIGDADDYMELVIN:
that's a major downfall for you to be friend with a nation that didn't won a war in 150 years? being a great nation is more about what it can give to the world, and France gave alot, reading at least http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France could clarify few things for you.
oh, and Picasso was spanish. - 1 year ago
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cracanata
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brit50
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Can we just stop with stating how bad America is. It is a great country that should be revered for its history and its acceptance of all types of people.
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brit50
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RaceBannon
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brit50:
I am not a nationalist and if people want to go where they think they'll have a better life then I'm glad to point them in the right direction. I'm an american by birth and have dual citizenship. However I prefer France for things and the states for others, of course though when I start a family hands down I'm going to be in France.
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RaceBannon
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CaptB
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RaceBannon:
Well said. I feel nationalism is a dangerous idea. Even though it seems fun to make jokes about other nations, and it is good for rivalries in sporting events.
We have experienced the demonizing of a country that used to be our allies so that we as a nation didn't mind killing millions of its citizens. All in the act of ridding them of WMD...errr, I mean to rid it of terrorist...errr I mean to spread democracy.
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CaptB
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MoonLoon
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My stepson lived in Paris for 2 years and enjoyed it. I have traveled to France on business and found most of the people to be very friendly, although I was surprised at the % of non-French descended people living in Paris. Most of my meals there were at a Lebanese restaurant which had excellent food and a friendly staff. Learning enough of the language to communicate and order food is relatively easy. Just remember that, "Pomme de Terre" is not apples. Pau and Biarritz are very nice and the wine country is fun to visit. The older people in the wineries are open to meeting Americans and are very friendly in my experience. Overall, I would recommend a vist there and consideration of living there. Just remember the French are not American,British or German, so it is best to respect and adjust to the culture of France, if you want to enjoy the people and country.
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MoonLoon
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RaceBannon
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MoonLoon:
Moon,
thanks for adding, people should keep in mind Paris is not France and there's less hectic places to live. The other cities especially Lyon and Marseilles are some of my favorites, in the north it can be a little too boring anyway. - 1 year ago
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RaceBannon
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bluestranger
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If I wouldn't give the conservative idiots that I live, love, and argue with everyday in Texas the satisfaction of leaving, why would I do it for the rest of the conservatives in the country? No matter how many times the invitation is extended, it's still as much my country as those that don't get it.
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bluestranger
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unimatrix0
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Move to Portland, Oregon. Way cool. and the people do not talk funny!
On a more serious note: happiness is internal, not external: the geographic cure will only be a temporary solution.
Look within.
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unimatrix0
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artemis6
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unimatrix0:
Dear uni , I would like to agree with you , but I keep thinking of the poor women born in the wrong class of Saudi Arabia or other places , Haiti , for instance . I wish it were true .
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artemis6
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CaptB
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France was by far one of the nicer countries I visited. They have a good healthcare system over there. People were not obese over there like in America. The people are awesome. Italy and Germany are beautiful as well.
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CaptB
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BrittanyL
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I want to move to Italy. At least the men are hot over there.
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BrittanyL
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Vierotchka
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BrittanyL:
Most of them are obsessed with their mothers, and are pretty poor lovers.
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Vierotchka
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UtopianSky
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I'm awful at learning languages- I'd have to pick the UK instead.
I had two years of French in high school, and two years in college, and a french grandmother, and all I learned is:
Je ne comprehende pas Francais. Parle vous Anglais?
I figure that's enough for me to get by. :)
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UtopianSky
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RaceBannon
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UtopianSky:
haha my honest suggestion is to literally go there and practice the language, this works for any language if you don't have someone nearby to practice. Even when I was kid I spoke french but I had this american accent, and in france that create all kinds of looks of confusion.
If you're on a budget my cheaper suggestion is montreal, but do not copy their french accent as its also frowned upon in France - 1 year ago
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RaceBannon
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Vierotchka
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RaceBannon:
Actually, the French LOVE the Québécois accent, the Québécois culture, the Québécois songs and the Québécois singers.
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Vierotchka
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RaceBannon
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Vierotchka:
touche, i just remember my friends mocking the accent (pinching your nose and speaking in french). I'm likely wrong on this matter. thanks for the info.
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RaceBannon
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GodsnLiberals
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TRY MOVING TO GREECE!!
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GodsnLiberals
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UtopianSky
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GodsnLiberals:
Why?
How about if people live where ever they want to live?
Sorry- I guess that would be a liberal concept.
Conservatives would rather herd people up and place them in boxes. - 1 year ago
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UtopianSky
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GodsnLiberals
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That would be like a wish come true...all anti-american liberals to move to france..the mecca..GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GOG OGOG OG
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GodsnLiberals
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UtopianSky
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GodsnLiberals:
To be American is to be Liberal.
The problem is when right-wing nutjobs try to impose a theocracy upon this country, abandoning the core principles this country was founded on. - 1 year ago
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UtopianSky
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GodsnLiberals
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PLLLLLLLEEEEASE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
take Barbara Streisand with you..bitch said she will move to france if bush was elected..the fucker served 8 years and retired and still living here and telling poor idiots to stay off her private beach..
hahahhahaahah
GO GO GO GO GO GOG OG GOGOGO GOGOGOGOG GOG OG OGGO GOG - 1 year ago
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GodsnLiberals
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Chapisbored
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Most of our ancestors came here because they saw a chance for something better. Why not follow suit?
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Chapisbored
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sk0j0
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Helpful Post. I'd love to move there.
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sk0j0
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artemis6
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Love too . I have a geographic restriction , though .
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artemis6
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antoine_99
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artemis6:
Like your not allowed to be within 500 ft of your ex and must be home before 9 p.m. or your ankle starts beeping?
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antoine_99
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MoonLoon
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antoine_99:
That was funny,"Antoine".
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MoonLoon
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artemis6
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antoine_99:
Ha ha ! I WISH !
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artemis6