Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?

Absolute bullshit.

Thanks for that and indeed I don't know why I bother with these loons. And why was Inglorious removed? Too real?

The Irony of this picture is the context of the moment and what was said and when it was done. It actually had nothing to do with Islam at the time. It was just monkey fuck being just that.

Sounds like the rantings of a sane man.

They got long under the rule of Rome. Islam filled the gap after the decline, and as always was a part of the military advance on post-Roman Europe.
The only place the tolerance for Jews took place was Spain under the Moors. Not in the middle east.

Religion is a big part in our histories. Since there is no God that the religions banner, I would hope that people could move on. - It requires that everyone get information, however. Those peoples remaining uneducated are still in the dark ages.

The best way to beat religion is not only education and information but solid economies so the people can flourish.
This means not just exploitive development - everyone on board and getting somewhere.

Good life, education, information (the sciences). This is how to kill religion.

THAT is beautiful , and all the religion you really need .

im almost sad tQ is gone lol not really but i do miss argueing semantics with the little guy.

what a life for him to live, he hated current yet he could not stay away. ironic.

Agreed!

Every country and every religion has their own claim to ugly times and history.

We are far from exempt status on this one. In all cases, it is despicable what so many have had to endure. Again, all of these strifes, contentions, and the carnage that resulted from all of these events are directly linked to religion. Essentially, one group of believers versus another group as to what is right and what is wrong. Religion and it's leaders almost always trumped the decisions until the masses revolted and made a change.

We have had many major movements for social change in this country. The labor movement, the civil rights movement, the women's suffrage movement, the modern feminist movement, the gay rights movement, the anti-war movement in the Sixties, the anti-war movement today, you name it... all of them have had, as a major driving force, a tremendous amount of anger to remove the ugliness. Anger over injustice, anger over mistreatment and brutality, anger over helplessness. Anger over the lack of love and respect for other human beings that are different either by choice or by design.

Religion must truly be the serpents apple.

V, it seems this debate started at least as early as 4 BC. Apparently, the rulers and the common people are still holding their own as we now have more Religions than ever before.

Great quote and a successful posting. ;-)

Good quote.

Yeah - the mist settles on the still of the battlefield. The last rays of sunset pierce the slowly drifting smoke...

more religious than ever before? by what standards? just a hundred years ago strep throat was a fatal infection and prayer was the only thing one could do, today we use an antibiotic... I'd say that's evidence that religion is losing it's hold, and is well on it's way to being the butt of future jokes within a yet to come age of enlightenment.

A clarification may be warranted here as to my meaning which was, not more religious but more religions. I totally agree with you that religion is losing it's strong hold. I contribute this to the advancements in multiple technologies (and medicines). Instead of living in the dark ages, people are no longer waiting for someone else to tell them what something means. Now they can go online or turn on the television and see for themselves. Consequently, the masses are becoming more educated and realize that much of what religion has been for so long is not plausible and at the minimum highly unlikely.

Not all people are stupid and when given the chance, they can actually think for themselves. This helps to rule out much of the manipulation done by religious leaders and their agendas. Granted there is still a lot of it going on but it is on the downward slope. After one and a half more generations die off, religion will be narrowed down to a select few and placed in a category of fable. In fact as you stated: an age of enlightenment. I don't think the concept of God will die out though, I believe there are too many people that will continue to experience things that give some evidence as to a God's existence. That is where you would find me.

In a sense, God is much like a ghost, if you have never seen a ghost I can't convince you that there is such a thing and if I have seen a ghost you can't convince me that they don't exist. How do we prove either to each other? In some context they both seem mystical or magical or perhaps they just don't fit into the physical realm of which we are most aware or understand. Science discovers new things every day, some of which are quite fascinating and not fully understood. Even the concept of some of these things a hundred years ago would seem mystical or magical as well. My point is just because we can't prove things or understand them doesn't make them non-existent, just not known or understood. The world was flat before it was round even though nothing changed.

Life is essentially a private or personal journey. What you do with it is what determines the outcome after it is over. Religion will not do or give that to you and for that matter neither can anyone else. It is a self thing! Others can assist you along the way but it is still in your hands to do with it as you will.

I don't know that it is necessary to believe that there is a God but what you do and don't do during your life to or for other people I think is actually quite important or key to the next outcome. I personally do believe in the existence of a God or higher power but I also believe in reincarnation. This tends to throw a wrench in the gears of many religions.

I can't prove what I believe but it works for me and it is far from what I was taught to believe while growing up. My life experiences or journey has brought me to this point or belief but that is me. What others choose to believe is their prerogative and as long as it works for them that is what is important.

World peace on every level would be the greatest thing, will it ever happen? Probably not anytime soon. It is not in the nature of every man. A deeper look into reincarnation would help to explain why this is so.

Sorry for the monologue, I may have got a bit carried away...

The worrisome thing is it only takes about ten years of real breakdown for a group of teenagers to go around in gangs for Jesus (or any other religion) and tear down their environment to the degree that it will not be rebuilt.

Societies are fragile - they must have educated people in support. -You get kids killing everybody in authority and everyone at the universities and schools and making sure everyone is part of the new flock - twenty years later, no one knows how civilization works any more.

This happened before, what is the catholic church orchestrated it. Men manipulating boys.

you say god could be like a ghost, sure but again to me that's the equvalent to saying a gnome is like a fairy... and all I can say to that is sure I guess. but all the same ghosts, gnomes and fairies while a fun thought have zero evidence. and to attribute anything to god means one must attribute ALL things to god, including my personal belief that god is no different from a fairy or gnome. all I mean is that if the paranormal is an explanation for anything then it's also the ultimate explanation for everything.

also I don't think something as expansive as GOD is anything like a ghost in the sense that one would need proof for or against... like the poet Rubaiyat said "And do you think that unto such as you; A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew: God gave the secret, and denied it me?--" it's simple, what makes anyone else think they're closer to any being that could be considered anything like a god in favor over anybody else? just as both sports teams pray before a game... why would a evine being play favorites? like you or I saying we arbitrarily favor one amoeba over another and why would you bestow any great secrets upon one but not the many, especially given the tendency to manipulate distort and augment everything to gain advantages?

do you really believe that an all knowing and ineffable creator of all things would bestow a great secret upon only one or few of his creations and NOT give this secret to ALL his creations?

My point is not that he is a ghost but the proving or disproving is much the same. In many ways we may perhaps feel cheated that the evidence isn't clearly stated and abundant but just because that is how we would personally want or like it doesn't mean that format meets the purpose.

As humans, many tend to think and feel that we are the only purpose and the highest life form in all that exists. What if we are not? Space is extremely vast which in and of it's self gives reason to think there is much more out there than us. The likely hood is highly probable. What if we are not the highest life forms or species other than perhaps on this earth? What defines an alien? If there are other intelligent life forms spotted through out space then what does that make us?

There are claims of sightings of UFO's and space aliens and if these are in fact true, then it diminishes our level of superiority and places us in to a much larger pool of amoeba as you stated. Again, many of us are governed by our desires and that of which we choose to see or believe or that which makes us most comfortable or important. Religion tends to aid mankind in maintaining these positions of importance through superiority. Maybe just maybe all creations are equally important no matter where or what they may be.

Our level or capacity of thought is greatly confined to that of what we can physically see or explain. True, there are those that dare to imagine and venture past the trendy or obvious things that surround us. Einstein would be a great example. What if the laws of physics that we believe we know so well are not the same in all points of space? What if there is a shift or drift in those laws when certain things are added or subtracted? There is much we don't know as is clearly proven on a daily basis through science and their discoveries.

What if you have encountered ghosts visually as well as audibly? What if you witness someone die and then they return and give a clear account of things they couldn't possibly know that transpired during their absence? What if you have witnessed objects in space doing things that defy the logic or confines of earth knowledge or physics through a powerful telescope? What then? I have experienced or witnessed all of these things, (no drugs and no alcohol involved)! Consequently, I had to adjust much of my belief system as religion took a back seat and the meaning of life for me shifted. Many of my perspectives were for ever changed.

If there is indeed a God or higher life form, then what is the true purpose or reason for all that exists? By not knowing, we are left to guess, hope or imagine or in many cases just completely deny the possibilities. It comes down to what is it that helps us to coexist with what we don't know or think we know.

Excellent.

How come God has this galaxy, along with all the other galaxies and galaxy-clusters around us, being pulled down a huge drain hole in the space -at about 14 million miles per hour- toward the Shapley SuperCluster? I mean if he loved us so much?

14 million miles per hour.... the funny thing is that number doesn't mean anything to a human because a human mind cannot even comprehend it. you're using logic, weakly, but still logic all the same... religion has NOTHING to do with what is logical.

Religion is people thinking that reality is human oriented on this tiny-weeny little planet - and that they won't have to die. Organized religion uses fear, as anyone sitting around praying is praying that they aren't wasting their time.

But they are. We are as important, not only as any other animal - and anything we can see - but as important, nor more nor less than any other 'thing' anywhere in the universe.

A handful of dirt - on Mars.

People thinking they have importance is like one blood cell thinking it is more important than another.

That's what's wrong with people and money. Money is only valuable within a healthy economy - everybody has to have it and make use of it for each dollar to have value.
But many think they are more important than others and they should have more money than others and have carried it to the degree that the health of the economy, along with the value of the money they take from the system, leaves - destroying the value of the money.
It's as if someone decided that blood was health and therefore they could take it away from their body and have advantage - all they do is kill the body.

Just stupid. But religion is more stupid. I do not understand way religious people do not see it. They understand Santa Claus isn't there.

agreed, religion is a hodgepodge collection of juvenile answers to our childish fears. fear of storms, lightning, eclipses, illness... even darkness, all were once things that put fear into even the most intellegent and educated person alive (at the time), but now we've got really good explanations for such things, and no longer need to fear them, but instead predict and cure and take reasonable precautions against harm... whereas before all one could do was pray. pray to be cured of your strep throat and you will die miserably, use logic and learning and discover an amazing thing now called antibiotics... prayer is now obsolete for cures.

as for the fear of death, I'd say religion may provide comfort. however that's a rather weak comfort gained mostly through the denial. the fear of death is reasonable and should need ne explanation in itself, but the tendency to cope with it by simply denying that one actually dies (belief in afterlife) is nothing short of and no more than an unimaginative and immature denial. accepting the inevitability of utter extinction, as a candle is blown out, is a tennant in many non-abrahamic faiths. even the buddhist concept of nirvana litterally means extinction (as an extinguished flame). nirvana is the ultimate 'goal' or end to ones existance. thought they also believe in reincarnation, nirvana is the end to both the cycle of reincarnation and the self. just a thought.

fear is used to keep children away from dangers... we're not children, we've left the unknowns of our anchient dark jungles and stepped into the light to discover that there realy were no monsters waiting beneath the bed, or in the closet, and there never have been... and that the monster was a fabrication, make believe... to scare the children. sorry but god is no different than santa, ghouls, ghosts, fairies... and I've grown up to recognize these things as the childish inventions they are.

religion is well on it's way out... and if those who wish to grip it so tightly into the future neve mature out of their fears, they will simply be left behind to rot of strep throat or age indignantly with their futile prayers, as the rest of us move on to better our longer happier lives without fear.

How many distinct varieties are made in France?

I humbly repent of my many trespasses against the mighty mountain cheeses of that great land...

Hey those Carthusian monks make some DANDY liqueur... ehh...?

Amen to that... as it were...

thank you, someone with common sense, finally. current is too full of people with heads up their asses to realize this. the problem is no one reads books anymore...

I just finnished 'the painted bird' by Jerzy Kosiński... a very sad and disturbing story about a boy who survives the holocaust.

I wonder if you could make a business at that?

I've seen it used for a good purpose. When I was a teen, I saw a guy roll a joint from Genesis.

What the fuck are you talking about buddy? What kind of shitty mind do you have? You've insulted too many people here now. It's against the whole spirit of the current format.

I think it's time for you, man. You've used your ticket.

You don't belong on here man - take off.

You resort to calling someone "peckerhead", above - and twice labeling people with "Child Porn"
That doesn't go - not with me. It's a violation of the spirit of this format. It is disgusting and it does not belong here.
You've kept at the insults to various members when you have been frustrated. Several people have asked that you refrain.

But the "child porn" - sorry, that's it.

02, don't take it so personal and don't be so hard on Tnerrucquf, he is probably defaulting to that of which he is most familiar. It is not uncommon for people to hide behind their religion with the intent to mask that which they are most guilty of as they accuse others of the same.

Through the last few years, the news has been occasionally spotted with examples of Ministers, religious leaders, and even religious political leaders guilty of the very things they preached and protested against. This is not an uncommon phenomenon amongst religious groups or any other group for that matter. It's just that the hypocrisy of religious people is what pushes it to a whole different level.

Quite often religious people are guilty of what they detest and yet somehow they believe, due to their devout belief in God and their frequent attendance in church, they will be cleared and saved. They are totally convinced their place will be found in heaven. For any of those that believe differently or not at all will be condemned. It is a profound mentality! It runs rampant amongst most if not all religions and is a slippery slope for many of the members found in their congregations.

Just an observation...

Yes, there are things that become easy to add up - often, they just put them right out there.

Since religion can infect people and is inculcated right from the start - I honestly see religion as a worse evil than child abuse. These are acts that affect millions - and have, in fact, held the whole world down.

All this pain we see and discuss here on Current of world events is directly or closely caused by the intellectual constraints imposed by religions.

I've thought we'd have been colonizing the solar system, 600 years ago, if it weren't for religion and what it did to civilization in the post Roman era.

Instead of the inquisition - we'd have been developing unique energy sources on Mars and kept both the Earth and Mars clean.

What would all of our careers be - in that world? -Just imagine

it's not even worth the effort... use it as free joint paper, I'm smoking my way through levaticus baby.

Non belief is non-ideology. Why do you guys always to try to make others into the fix you got yourself in?
You see that it is a mind trap.

as Spock would say.

that statement is illogical.

how do you make those connections?

he may convert to Islam. You really don't know. Are you suggesting that we should be afraid to live in Iran ? You're dead wrong and naive for believing that.

Iran is an extremely modern country.

lol- yeah with no liberty

stop lying and spreading fear.

btw, cops beat, abuse and murder people everyday in America too.

You should read your own stuff.

Can you imagine - no religion? Is that what you're missing in all this? You think everyone must hold to some dogma, whether religious or non-religious?

The whole idea is to throw off the pall - throw off the encumbrances - the unnecessary and unreal.
Unfortunately you have yourself built into a religious stronghold. If religion were heroin, you could grasp this better - it would be more obvious.

As I said to you in another response above - if your idea about God is actuality - a true real reality - you got no problems. - None!

If you haven't got it quite right, you have a big job. You'll have to deconstruct everything you have done to yourself. You'll have to go on a mind diet that would make any massively over-weight problem, a breeze.

You live and breathe this 'scriptures' stuff -

It's like a heroin addiction. A bad one.

But - IF - you're right, you got no problem...

"Sometimes the bible in the hands of a man is worse than a bottle of gin." Atticus Finch, To Kill A Mockingbird.

ouch...

Well played old man!

:-)

Spot on!

Yes.......l mean no

hmmm

That must mean you're right.

Listen my friend, your throwing cheap shots and rather slimy insults around are not doing anything for you.

Perfectly honest people, have given you their time.

If your "God" and beliefs are real, and others don't get it - well they don't get it.

But you're not in the shallow side of town -

Wow. You sure are a smart cookie tnerrucquf! You have it all figured out?! Wow.

So sad that in all your time studying you never heard of the logical problems that stem from your favorite tool known as ad hominem. You should spend your time writing for a snarky CD review column for low grade indy bands and leave the discussion of important things to those who are willing to stand outside themselves and have a reasonable conversation.

Ohhhh, you are right, it DOES feels good to put others down....

my point exactly. cookies indeed.

Didn't you hear? Science is the new religion and therefore religion is the now the new mysticism. Making mysticism the new science. Round the wheel we go.

What will we humans come up with next? Science is a bit drab these days, and going backwards to religion seems a little trite and boring. What is the next marketing strategy to colonize the human brain? I say: science is DEAD! Lets go with the world unfurling from the center of a giants bellybutton combined with grass being able to talk and aliens coming to save us from our immanent self-imposed doom! I like it. That's good. Now i just need to get a few other people interested in this worldview. We can quote each others' ideas in our papers and charge fees, tithes, tariffs or whatever else makes cents. The more stuff we co-opt from other existing sources, the more marketable it will be. I say, when it come to worldviews, whatever fetches the best prices is the best. Sell, Sell, Sell! We sure are hungry as a culture for answers, bellybuttons, grass and aliens are in! Come get you some!!!!

Is that "reasonable"? If not, it definitely is "important".

That is how I feel about this debate between the Quran and the Bible.

and it is based off of reality haha

is doesn't need to address the "phenomenon" of death because its not a phenomenon at all. once your brain dies BOOM no more conciousness.
everything happend by chance and circumstance, the possibilities are vast and diverse. thinking that it was all created by one being is nonsense.
besides to me the metaphysical world doesnt matter. as far as i know when i die im dead end of story so why worry about some bogus afterlife when there is a great chance that it doesnt even exist? why does it matter where we came from either? why do humans care about these questions so much? I compare it to ants trying to comprehend the skyskraper it is crawling on, that ant doesnt know anything about engineering or construction it only knows what its limited mind can comprehend. that sir is why i know nobody out there has the answers so why bother asking the question.

and it also doesnt tell me what i can and cant eat, what i can wear, what i can do, who i can love it doesnt give me any orders or requests actually doesnt tell me to kill anybody either. huh, how about that?

oh wow. you are actually being serious aren't you? i just figured you have been joking this whole time because all the shit you say is so stupid. well w/e what you call "choosing ignorance" i call not worrying about the things that dont matter. i was raised in church i took religious and philosophy classes and in the end i figured it doesnt matter and it shouldnt matter to you or anyone else out there because you know what? we all will find out when we die wont we huh? why try so hard to find the answers when all we have to do is wait? does denying a god make him any less powerful? No. so who cares what me or the other "non believer heathens" say. why do you have to go so far to try and prove yourself in front of others. humble yourself like god told you to asshole. does it really matter how light bends? sure we could invent some neat technology from it but it is not a NECESSITY to know thats all im saying its that its not the most important thing in the world to know all this stuff. Isnt survival and school and work and raising kids and living alot more important then knowing all this? if not then you have your priorities mixed up.