Dems say they have the 216 votes to pass Health Insurance reform

Please explain to me how my Dad and many others who have had cancer and lost there jobs and insurance can now go see a Doctor, is a sad day. Because you gotta pay a little more money out of your pocket to help someone else. PLEASE! I'm waiting to hear this one....

Well said.

Why?

I don't think anyone would disagree that we need to help all of our fellow americans. But how exactlly is this bill going to help your dad right now? or for that matter a year from now? or two years from now? is he under 26 so he can be retained on his parents policy? if it was as simple as taking a little of my earnings and giving it to your father i would do it in a second, but my interpertation of the bill is that the only benifit your father would recieve is that he cannot be rejected (although i interpert there is a clause that insurance companies can reject a per-existing condition, but would be forced to pay a fine) he still has to pay for the insurance though. so if he has lost his job what good is the bill? The actual insurance that will be supplied by the governemnt is years down the road, but we need to start aying for it now.
Above all my prayers are with your father

Go back to your room.

In usual jonraymond fashion you don't present anything that could be considered a coherent argument.

Before responding you should at least consult someone with a 10th grade education so you can form some type of thought.

By the way, I find it somewhat amusing that a statist like you would use a Jefferson quote in their profile.

I know it's beyond your comprehension.

Hardly beyond my comprehension. I was merely pointing out that a quote from Marx would be more fitting for your profile. You represent the furthest thing from Jeffersonian views.

The 10th graders harass me and threaten me.

I feel more comfortable just taking prescription medication and stare out the window, hahaha.

That is funny, you relegate people as unreasonable for not agreeing with you.

Jeffferson died in debt and drank a lot of wine. But he was still an awesome statesman.

they do nothing but bitch

ouch.

The best thing for me is that I'll be able to stay on my parents' plan until I'm 26... awesome.

Same here. I'll be able to go after my Bachelors/Masters degree without fear of having to get a job that pays for health insurance coverage.

Thank you

I called and wrote emails. I am a proud democrat that believes in talking and bouncing ideas off. Laughing and remaining civil. I am so glad that all this hard work has paid off and this monumental legislation will now safely pass. WOO HOO

Cool. Saves me the trouble of finding it myself. Thanks dude.

is that what obama promised you??????

well what happened to other promises he made your before this one??

changes??

its time to revolt..

Well said. It may not be perfect, but a move towards helping the herd can't be wrong. This is awesome.

You are correct, the bill won't go into effect untill 2014; but theywill start taking money from us stat!

HMO's are not my favorite. It will take years to begin, I believe about 4 for you to see anything tangible. I don't think we are inflating the insurance companies, they are actually upset because they are being constrained.

But that's just it, they aren't being constrained. They are already raising rates and telling doctors what they will now refuse to cover BEFORE this goes into effect to cover their future perceived losses.

Some changes go into effect immediately and some as early as 2011.

It is Obama's bill. Because had he not been there, this would not have even been tackled. At first they spend the whole time tying the bill to Obama and calling it Obamacare and now we wanna say that its not his? Can't have it both ways...

I also heard today that 32 some odd states are trying to pass laws into effect so they can thwart its impact.

You really will be happy after a few years. A short book called, "This Perfect Day" in which people are drugged to all be happy to have a more controlled population.

So don't worry, in a few months none of this will matter. Soon you will be staring at flowers with a perpetual smile on your face. Your collar will tell you when to go eat and when to go to sleep. hahaha.

It truly isn't as bad as you think. Society went on after LBJ passed medicare.

Bush did horrible things in my opinion, and some thought it was the greatest thing our nation has seen. Well, about 23% of the nation, since he was the 3rd most unpopular president in our history. But really, what is history.

Captb, why do you always seem to take this arrogant stance that anyone who criticizes this bill must be a republican or a bush supporter? Can't you face the facts that this bill lets down many of us on the left. you're beginning to sound like a DLC talking point.

That is a compliment that I sound like a democratic talking point. Not everyone agrees 100% with all democratic or republican ideas. It is just the democratic vision I believe in, and TRULY believe that Obama is doing the right thing. I seriously doubt that republicans felt that what Bush was doing was good for us. And in the end Americans gave Bush one of the lowest ratings as a president in the history of our nation.

Arrogant stance, reminded me of Thurston Howel off of Gilligan's Island. Because I have some ideas and opinions that doesn't mean they are necessarily arrogant. Just my own ideas.

I agree, we can't make everyone happy with this bill. But it benefits the majority, and that is what I am for. It doesn't affect me at all. But if it helps the poor and needy, and not the smug and greedy, I am all for it.

Also reduces the deficit over the first ten years, and then the following 10 years it reduces the deficit even further.

No new taxes. No higher premiums. The reform pays for itself. Can you even read? Look at Obama's video above.

Well if Obama said it then we know it must be true. That is the most hilarious thing you've typed on here yet.

Critical analysis clearly isn't your strong point.

Good. It's about time you start pulling your weight. 45,000 people die every year because they don't have health care, while you do. That's 15 times the number that died in 9/11, multiplied times every year we go without health care reform. It's time for you to anti up and pull your weight in America, you unpatriotic un-American freeloader.

And what's you source for the REAL TRUTH? Fox News?

Hardly, I am educated on the issues which means I don't rely on Fox News, CNN, or MSNBC for my analysis of the issues.

And Nancy said it's going to creat 4 Million new jobs!!!

How am I a freeloader? I work and have no insurance, I pay my own bills!

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Obviously someone doesn't understand the reality of how sleazy insurance companies are and what they will do and are already doing to circumvent this bill and use it to their advantage. I am already covered and still can't afford to go to a doctor. The insurance company just raised our rates 52% to pay for all of those who will enter this system so they can still get a profit. Republicans who call this a socialist bill are missing the mark by a wide mile, as was already stated by Deninis Kucinich who opposed this bill and stated he only voted for it at the last minute in the hopes it would eventually lead to a discussion of universal care. But of course, like the climate crisis however, people have to make this about political sides. I honestly do hope states start putting forth their own bills to vote in single payer/universal in their states if this is all we get as I fear many will still be left out of the loop.