WhaHooooo!! Health Care Bill PASSES!!

it is to bad that he closed so many mental health facilitys. there are many that need the help they provided. It would still be better to stop fighting everyone elses war and take care of our own for once. many of the people that think that mental problems are a choice have not looked at the proof of mental illness.

Sucking on that teabag?

careful onemafla, the supposed progressives here at current that may have once agreed with much of what you say will now label you a teabagger unless you fall prostate and worship at the feet of this insurance industry bailout bill.

I know that you're not a teabagger, neither am I. I'm probably more to the left than many of the so-called progressives who support this bill. I was just warning you. Just as the repugs whip their followers into lockstep, I am seeing the same behavior from the dems now. "If you don't support this bill you must be one of these greedy, selfish teabaggers." As if a free-thinking lefty can't be against forcing the nation to patronize a bunch of rich, bloated bastards.

Myself, i think that everyone has gone hysterical over this bill. We allready pay taxes. me more than most. (my average tax paid per year is 63%) I also pay about 4000 per year for my wifes mental health care which gets turned down as a medical expense. My own medical bills have averaged about 3000 per year with 2 insurance companys. Every time I go to the doctor I get told this or that test is unessesary.One preventitive test that would have kept me out of the ICU was denied because I had had one within the last ten years. As it was I was hauled off the job after passing out one night and taken to an ER. My blood volume was less than half of what was nessesary to maintain life. The test that would have prevented this bleed was a colonoscopy. the insurures said that they did not understand the problem and tried to refuse payment. I had to have four units of blood put into me for a colon bleed. Insurures are the worst dictators that ever existed.

Lies. Lies. and more lies. Please give the the page numbers in the bill where this bullshit is written if you can read.

OK, you explain to me exactly how this will drive down unreasonable insurance costs. Justy spouting the DLC talking points aren't you? Also, your fiance's analogy is WRONG. It would be accurate to say that those who would prefer to "go to public school" will be forced to go "to a private school." That's what the bill does. Do you even know what's in the bill.....any of you?

By capping the amount that Health Insurers are required to spend on care at ninety cents of every dollar paid by policyholders. Currently Wellpoint the largest private insurance provider in America only spends 54 cents on the dollar on care. The rest goes to direct profit, marketing, twenty seven million alone went to "retreats" for the board of directors and CEO. And yes much of the money went to legal defense funds for those who were contending being thrown off the roles or having life saving procedures denies and for the first time those people will be able to appeal to an impartial board to hear there cases and punish insurers who would leave them to die. It will incentively care for the first time. And yes some of those 46 cents on the dollar Wellpoint spent outside of healthcare was going to actuaries whose only job was to find sick people and kick them off the roles. Those practices are now illegal. First with children on all policies and four years from now when the exchange goes into effect and for those that can't wait high risk pool will be administered by each state along with an expansion of Medicaid and Medicare part D for seniors without prescription drug coverage.

This bill isn't perfect, but what it does is cover 32 million Americans over four years. Gives parents the greatest gift that can be given, the ability to sleep easier. It is nothing short of relief from the worry of loosing their insurance if their children get sick or if they loose their job because those unable to afford insurance after the loss of a job will receive a subsidy to participate in the exchange and get access to affordable care and no child will ever be denied for being sick in America again. Or if someone decides to start their own business those entrepreneurs will also be rewarded with a subsidy for care so that they can feel free to peruse their dreams and grow our nations economy. For small businesses with under thirty employees rather than a fine for not providing insurance as the G.O.P. was breathlessly lying to the American people about, they will receive a 35 percent reduction in the price of their insurance and it won't be a government agency but rather a private insurance exchange where they will choose the plan that best fits them.

This bill is far from perfect. It preserves a private system that I believe is morally abhorrent. However this is a uniquely American system and draws on examples from other nations while accommodating our Democratic form of government and our private market sensibilities. What it does is make a brutal midevil system less capricious and saves Americans from the accidents of life. Places us all in the same boat for the first time and hands us the pail to begin working together to keep that ship afloat. That public scrutiny and legislative recourse to avoid the worst of the abuses by the private insurance companies not the least of which was charging women more than men and allowing things like domestic abuse, pregnancy, or a miscarriage to be pre existing conditions that could deny a mother or their child care. Ending these practices for all time and expanding access to coverage while doing so in a deficit reducing measure is no small feat and Democrats will get well deserved credit in history for it.

Sounds like you have Obama's speech down pat. Why can't you be honest with your language? You supporters want to talk about all the people this bill "covers." Just be honest in your language. This bill forces 32 million americans to pay for executive bonuses and golden parachutes. In return, they will provide for our needs as little as they possibly can get away with. We'll just wait and see which of these so-called restraints on the industry actually pan out. I mean, you know that that's their business, right? They work to deny you and me coverage for our paid premiums.

I'm a person with a pre existing condition. Allowing me to pay my way to my own healthcare to provide me some semblance of normalcy or safety that I do not now have is not a talking point. Its a life affirming action.

By far, the most sensible and well stated comment I have read here in weeks.

Yeah, you gotta be a real, true blue democrat to give the insurance industry control over us like this. Yeehaaaw! And you people are different from the repugs, how? You people don't even know what you're cheering for, you just know that your TEAM won this time. YAY! Let's all celebrate.

Can you explain to me how this benefits the insurance companies so much?

If you can't see how an industry receiving 30,000,000 new customers benefits that industry, then I can't explain it to you.

What's wrong with Health Care Bill benefiting the insurance company if it insures previously uninsured people?

You can't see that it's wrong to force people to spend their money with private business that makes a profit? If you're going to force me into a program based on helping the common good, then direct it at the common good, not to line the pockets of those who already exceedingly rich. Run the money through a non-profit program, such as medicare, where only the administrative costs will be taken off the top and the rest can go for real medical coverage. The system is so fucked now BECAUSE OF THESE DECADENT BASTARDS. It's the corporate salaries and the shareholder dividends which drive up the costs of insurance coverage right now. So you just want to pile on the wealth for these corrupt assholes who have currently fucked up our system.

If you can't see how it is inherently wrong to force people to patronize bastards who are making their fortunes off of others' misfortunes, then i can't explain it any further. So just wave your arms in the air and jump up and down because your team won one (used to be my team too). You obviously don't understand what this bill actually does. You just believe the talking points. (And yes, to the surprise of many, both sides have their talking points and their bullshit arguments. I know it's alot to ask dumb-downed americans to think for themselves.)

I can see your point, it didn't really need the patronizing, but that's the only way health reform could be passed in the current state of American politics, and it is, of course, better than nothing. I would have preferred a Public Option, but people who cannot afford to pay insurance are eligible to get subsidies from the government to pay.

We should be pragmatic; if the plan just said "screw the insurance companies, free healthcare for all," it would not have been passed.

Courage? Are you kidding? I bet it took alot of courage to get on their knees and cave to the insurance industry. And by the way, I know this is really a hard one for you bill-supporters to understand with your little pea-brains, I am not a teabagger, not a republican, not a right-winger. I'm a 30-year democrat, which is ending today, and a proud, liberal lefty. you people really show yourselves to be no better than the repugs with your pigeon-holing and pushing of the DLC talking points. Are all of you blind?

It had to be done. It's not "perfect" but it was movement forward.

Is your theory that if it's not 100 percent exactly what YOU want then it's a total failure?

Do you really expect to get 100 percent of what YOU want INSTANTLY with no adjustments?

Has there ever been a piece of legislation that was 100 percent what YOU wanted that was passed instantly and with no modifications?

Try and be a little reasonable. Was there ever going to be a healthcare bill that satisfied 100 percent of the population? No. So let's just accept the victory of the elimination of pre-existenting conditions and no lifetime caps as a starting place!

so if the bill forces the insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions or pay a fine, how is this helping the insurance companies?
You still haven't explain how.

That isn't the point. I have a pre-existing condition and my insurance through my parents ends in December. If I get denied I'm screwed. And don;t give me any shit about getting a job. I have a full time job in a restaurant and I go to school l full time. I don't care if they get fined I just care if I can get insurance in December.

Actually, that is the point. yes, I think the fines are way to get around giving people coverage. I have pre-existing conditions too, and I am also a student who is still under my grandparents insurance. My question was specifically asking how this bill helps the insurance companies. Because I don't see how it does. Yet, people keep throwing that phrase around.

Read the bill. 1) They are permitted to charge up to 3 times the caps for someone with a pre-existing condition, effectively still putting it out of the reach of many. 2)They may STILL DENY COVERAGE for an existing condition, but they will have to pay a fine for doing so.

Now do the math. Weigh the benefit of receiving 30,000,000 new customers against the cost of paying some fines for not insuring those who you want to deny. And add to that that the majority of new customers that you will be receiving will be from the younger crowd who mainly don't have many pre-existing conditions.

So please, read the damn bill. Then maybe you can explain to me how this will reign in the insurance industry. Give me a break, they basically told Obama what he could and couldn't get away with in this bill.

Hopfully he is going to an Island that only has crabs to listen to him, maybe he can take Glenn beck with him,

Are you misinformed or just being disingenuous?

Hmm, maybe Fox News' motto should be "Misinformed and Disingenuous."

Actually, no federal money pays for abortions unless it's the case of rape, incense, or the mother's life is in danger.

I've heard this racial argument before, it's simply ridiculous. The founder of one abortion group may have been racist, but you are very mistaken if you honestly believe that is the intention behind it, and I'm sure you know that. Don't forget, too, that many white women get abortions.

Love it. Absolutely love it. Although there's no way I'll be watching. I have a life.

Hell slarabee, they will be bitching till the cows come home!

i can tell you right now fox news is cooking up an extra pot of lies to feed their viewers tommorow

You know who won't be bitching, Slarabee? The insurance CEO's, they're laughing all the way to the bank....which they own too.

You betcha!