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After 16 years in prison, a whole new world - CNN.com

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Wrongly convicted, 16 years in prison, loses his wife, daughter was 9 now 27 and with a child herself and on his release from prison he got $45 but at least he is free.

After several embarrassing cases like this one, North Carolina setup a commission that looks into cases to find people who may have be wrongly convicted. Hot damn, an excellent idea, all states and the federal government should IMMEDIATELY create such agencies in hopes that no one has to go 1 day ... let alone 16 years ... incarcerated for something they didn't do.
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56 comments // After 16 years in prison, a whole new world - CNN.com

  • Ragan
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      Ragan  
    • Justice is blind and it was created as such. Juries are supposed to be selected based on ignorance and the ability to be gullible and accept only that evidence drummed up by the lawyers. Innocence is impossiblle for even a jury to decide. Juries are fallible. They may select a verdict on looks or speech but never from the incomplete evidence presented.

    • 2 years ago
  • brotherlelo
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      brotherlelo  
    • Ragan:

      I cannot argue with your knowledge and wisdom; however what I like most about the system is we would have a chance to be forgotten if we ever make a mistake. Some people abuse the system lawyers get greedy and innocents pay the consequences.

    • 2 years ago
  • Cenotaph
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      Cenotaph  
    • I live in North Carolina and my Law and Justice teacher showed us news footage of this case, very powerful and eye opening.

    • 2 years ago
  • animalia_libero
  • Ragan
  • SalvadoreSouza
  • Cenotaph
  • cons_Objector
  • Introspective
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      Introspective  
    • 1 innocent man in jail iz 1 2 many...no doubt that some (if not many) of these false imprisoments can b attributed 2 simple "Blind Ambition" on the part of politically ambitious DA's & rogue copz....& this iz an unforgiveable travesty!

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
  • LibertynJusticeforAll
  • MotherForTruth
  • brotherlelo
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      brotherlelo  
    • It is another mistake? Or is it a hoax? My numbers do not add up We feel the pain when somebody across town is found guilty and friend and relatives support and believed in your innocence, because your real crime was to be a different race or color. But what about if real criminals start going free for lock of money or for criticizing the system that suppose to protect us. It is hard to believe that only one drop of untested substance can make you loose your freedom. Lawyers are the smartest people in the planet, they will make money to put you in prison and to take you out of prison.

    • 2 years ago
  • Ragan
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      Ragan  
    • brotherlelo:

      Sounds to me like the Capitalist system that financing both warring sides just to make a profit. And as long as the justice system is political it to joins the empire of the corrupt. The lawyer who gets the most money will win.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
  • Agent_Alpha
  • boywhocould
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    • boywhocould:

      That is - one of the arguments for - personal surveillance. Your cam - or your car-cam, or your friends - or just strangers camera systems - all might account your innocence - and/or account someone's guilt.

      If in fact, we have such saturation of common video-cam systems - it would make a very large dent in crime.

      If any of you have ever been involved in a road rage incident - imagine how that would have gone if someone had the cam light go on?

      It would have tampered down the anger - post haste. Grimaces turned to smiles on an immediate basis.

      And ps - cams are coming. phone, laptops - soon watches and jewelery - and car-alarms. Cars will all have cams capable to seeing 360 degrees. And everyone will know it.

      Including the cops.

    • 2 years ago
  • chinese_democracy
  • MotherForTruth
  • CaptB
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      CaptB  
    • I have extreme reservations when states use the death penalty. This case is a prime example. Thank the gods that he didn't die, he unfortunately spent 15 years in prison and should be able to sue the state for compensation for his pain and suffering. This deserves more than an apology and a mere $50 bill.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
  • CaptB
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • CaptB:

      No money could ever compensate for the emotional destruction of life. This man's body is free now but he will never recover from this experience. If it was me I would want to know that my sacrifice made the difference to all of humanity and no innocent person will ever be prosecuted again.

    • 2 years ago
  • 02
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    • CaptB:

      If you got busted down and thrown in jail - for just a day - or so, and someone were ask what you're time and trouble was worth - or ask any cop or any lawyer or any judge what their time and trouble would be worth - that's the answer.

    • 2 years ago
  • keithponder
  • RizzoTheRat
  • MotherForTruth
  • JosephJinx
  • Maeveeo
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      Maeveeo  
    • They should pay him for everyday he was in , the state would go broke , but it should be done to prove something instead of a mere 45 bucks !

    • 2 years ago
  • 02
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      02  
    • There are so many institutions of society that need overhaul -
      It should be thought of as mending the dark ages - prosecutors and cops - the court system - biggies.
      Every aspect of world policy - as well, unfortunately.

    • 2 years ago
  • KSirys
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • I think we all agree our corrupt judicial system has major problems. Prosecutors present cases in the way that many innocent go to prison, while the guilty who know the system well or those who can afford top attorneys can go free. There are way too many cases of prosecutorial misconduct, abuse of judicial powers and it became common scenario tough on crime often at the expence of innocent go to prison. Even with our "innocent until found guilty" often does not work and instead the defendants must prove their innocence.

      I did a court-watch on a case where prosecutor stated to the jury "there is no evidence this man did not commit this crime" and this case is still unresolved.

      The more I learn the truth about our judicial system the more I am ashamed to be an American.

    • 2 years ago
  • CarlosIsDown
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      CarlosIsDown  
    • We as a society kind of wanted this, didn't we? How many people are in jail at $62.01 a day for stealing $12 dollars worth of worthless crap that cost $.50 to manufacture? And those are the people that actually DID something. This person did nothing to go to jail.

      16 years and about $362,112 in tax payer dollars later, I just don't know what to say.

    • 2 years ago
  • curtisreed
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      curtisreed  
    • CarlosIsDown:

      what do you mean "we wanted this"?! "we as a society" don't want innocent people in jail, which is why our court system is the way it is--innocent until proven guilty, state appointed lawyers, etc. Far more guilty criminals walk free than innocent people being locked up.

      this guy got a really bum rap, but let's not get stupid about it and blame "society".

      Your statement that we have people in jail for "$12 dollars worth of worthless crap" is silly. He was convicted because they believed he had MURDERED a prostitute, not pilfered a baseball cap.

      Far more often, what we have is rapists, murderers, habitual DUI offenders and others getting a light sentance for their crimes. Criminals guilty of committing identity theft get a slap on the wrist. Illegal immigrants commit dozens of crimes without doing their time. And let's not even start on the politicians and their corruption that they commit without any fear of punishment.

    • 2 years ago
  • ampersand
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      ampersand  
    • The devastation we cause in our horrific rush to "punish" others is the greatest tragedy in human society. We label and discount others out of fear and spite making them fair game for attack. What a sorry group of monkeys we are.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • ampersand:

      I agree. Every day I struggle with questions and unfortunately have found no answers. How did this happen to the country that above all values freedom? How did we become so ignorant and silent? Why revenge is more important than the truth?

    • 2 years ago
  • curtisreed
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      curtisreed  
    • ampersand:

      No, it's NOT. The greatest tragedy is the number of innocent victims we have who could have been protected if real criminals HAD gone to jail.

      No court system is perfect, but ours is weighted in favor of the defense and NOT the prosecution. Other systems require that you "prove your innocence", here the burden is on the prosecution to "prove guilt".

      Are their inept defense attorneys? Yes. Are there corrupt prosecutors? Yes.

      But take a moment to think of how many criminals get off scot free or with an obscenely light sentence.

      There should be Innocence Commissions in every state, but let's be real: there are far more tragedies that occur because the guilty are let go than the inverse.

      Here in Denver, an illegal immigrant with 19 arrests was let go AGAIN. He got drunk, drove his truck into a Baskin Robins, and killed an infant. Each of those other 19 arrests implies another victim as well. He was allowed to victimize 19 people before committing vehicular homocide (his 20th victim, not including the infants parents).

      Now, what's the greater tragedy?

    • 2 years ago
  • Raven6
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      Raven6  
    • curtisreed:

      Our court system is not and has never been about the truth. Prosecutor is rated on successful prosecutions so if you're the defendant, he will do all in his power to lock you up. The Defence likewise is to do all possible to set you free.
      Prosecutor says you did it.
      Defence says you didn't.
      After much thought 12 very average people decide that if you're the defendant, you must have done it, otherwise why would you be there ?
      Guilty !

      This is the reality in the field. The system is VERY much weighted toward the prosecution.

    • 2 years ago
  • 02
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    • curtisreed:

      Our court system is not weighted to defense. We have professional liars for prosecutors - and most defense attorneys do the same.
      The prosecutors lie - they say you are the most evil, lousy loser scumbag that was ever born - your attorney must counter that you were of virgin birth, a sweetheart with pure thoughts.

      We need a law that allows any court representatives (who are supposed to be representatives of the United States system of justice) to go to jail if they knowingly fabricate a false story.

      We think it's just fine to have murders and rapists for cops, sleazy, A-moral prosecutors, all vying for under the table payoffs and social recognition.

      We pay prosecutors to get convictions with the promise of career advancement. If they lie and put an innocent in jail - maybe you - they get to be a Congressman - or higher.

      So they're definitely inspired to get -you- - you're the one they want. -'cause they don't care about right nor wrong nor guilt nor innocence.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
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    • MotherForTruth:

      I knew attorneys that would hang around the court house and pick-up eight defense cases a day. That makes their healthy yearly income right there. (And curtisreed: THIS is what happens) - These cases are divvied up over lunch with the prosecutors everyday. They decide who is getting what cases (and paid for them) and what they're going accept for plea-bargains on the current case load.

      Then the attorney goes over and interviews the defendant, telling him he can't really do too much for him because of such burdensome case-loads they have at the county so if the guy's family can come up with an amount equal to a retainer, he'll be able do much more for him. (Of course, it will be decided between lunch-buddies, really).

      Then, since they don't have any money, the attorney has a private conversation with the guy's wife - telling her that much more can be done if he can get a little special attention, two or three times. This will graduate to more if her husband somehow gets stuck in the system a little longer than expected because, after all, she has kids and has to do whatever it takes to get her guy back. If it goes down, she very probably doesn't tell him.

      Eventually he tells the defendant that he's been able to get him a great deal with the prosecutor, considering all the charges they had filed - even though the guy isn't guilty, if they have to go to trial, he'll be gone - just plain gone - so he should take the deal. He'll be a felon but at least he'll have a good shot at having a life back at some point.

      Also, the prosecutor knows just what his buddy is getting, he knows what his buddy is going to get when they first see the case and the family, so when they are laughing together and making deals, he might give the attorney an extra week or so continuance of the court case for the attorney's "special considerations" the prosecutor knows he's getting.

      That's your FUCKING justice system. That's the truth and you might take a little humility with all your conservative big-talk.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
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    • MotherForTruth:

      We have a country of victims and victimizers. It's called the old boy system. It stains all.
      I do not believe it is the natural course of humanity - but a very bad, perverted habit.

      All of these posters on current, for instance, whether red or blue, religious or no-religion, all are engaged toward the good - toward the right and for what should be.

    • 2 years ago
  • brotherlelo
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    • brotherlelo:

      Yes, it seems so stark - so many argue for their notions of what is right, passion devoted to a better way, according to a view. At the same time, there are takers.
      People who wholly take. It's them, them, them, them, them. They are so latched into their MOs, there are no ethics, morals nor responsibility to be seen. They operate like pediphiles - only concern for themselves with no introspection.
      Such types are disease - and you can find them everywhere. Positions with some sort of power.
      The disease is immaturity and a bad or low world-view. Part of the low world-view is simply the dark ages in which we are still living. They aspired to position and did not climb out of their undeveloped youth, emotionally.
      Big Babies running things. But they know how to fake it.

    • 2 years ago
  • treewolf39
  • MotherForTruth
  • treewolf39
  • MotherForTruth
  • treewolf39
  • Progresshiv
  • MotherForTruth
    • +4
      MotherForTruth  
    • Outrageous abuse of a human life! Corrupt judicial system consistently sends innocent to prison. Where is the justice for this victim? The prosecutor should be prosecuted. But wait they have full immunity!!! Convictions, convictions, and convictions. To our corrupt and always hungry judicial system it does not matter if innocent men lost 16 years of his life, in fact he lost his life, he was abused, tortured, separated from the people he loved.

      When did we stop caring about the truth?

    • 2 years ago
  • curtisreed
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      curtisreed  
    • MotherForTruth:

      IF the prosecutor knew that the "blood" was NOT blood--which apparentlythey didn't because it was a NEW test that proved that it was not what the police had thought it was--then I'd agree.

      We need to remain calm here and remember that new innovations such as DNA evidence, and other "new tests" are enabling the police and investigators not just to prosecute, but to exonnerate the accused.

      This man's misfortune may have been as simple as having been accused at a time when appropriate tests were not available.

      (Note: I don't know if there were prosecutorial improprieties, but without evidence of same, I hesitate to wrongly accuse a prosecutor or anyone else. Wouldn't that possibly be exactly like what happened to this poor man? Incorrectly accused, improperly jailed...because public outcry and rage put pressure on the police to 'get their man' --ANY man--and put him behind bars just to close the case?!)

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • curtisreed:

      This would be the logical explanation that prosecution did not have the tools to differentiate a blood stain from some other stain. Unfortunately we are going by the assumption that a person is arrested, prosecuted because there are enough evidence. And that prosecutor would seek the truth. Ideally that is the way it supposed to work but too often it is simply not the case. In my many researches and court-watching I find over and over again that prosecutor will do anything to bring in the conviction.

      In fact, I find that corruption is often deeper then we can even imagine.
      Take a look at this website. This is often the reality!

      http://faqusajudicialcorruption.blogspot.com/2005/08/9-what-about-prosecutors-an...

    • 2 years ago
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