Obama tells GOP to 'Go for it' on healthcare repeal

please don't think i was having fun with your condition, i've got a bit of arthritis myself and would never do that.

yes things are different here than syney. Yes children here do get treatment.
No they aren't left to die on the street
No the Healthcare bill will not better the healthcare treatment of those in need -- it will lead to shortage of doctors and hospitals and will DECREASE the availablity of healthcare treatment.
Not Just that, when it runs out of money like the 2 socialist programs that we now have (medicare and social security) -- tough choices will have to be made about who gets treatment and who does not.
As far as the "regime" i defend. There isn't one.

Don't forget that 60% of bankruptcies in America stem from excessive medical bills. So even if these children survive, they will have a very difficult life ahead of them.

Please go back to school. Or, start using the internet. I mean really use the internet, not for just spouting off your warped perception.

Take classes in American History, Political Science, Economics, Biology, and anything in the field of Humanities. You really are making a fool of yourself being so outspoken, when it is apparent your reality has been loosely pieced together. Television and word of mouth seem to be your largest sources of information. That will not cut it with us educated "Elitists". I am being this harsh because I care, not so much about you, but for the well being of this world. Your hateful, fear-mongering must be addressed and the fallacies will be revealed. When seeking an education, a person cannot seek only the information that promotes the world as they see it and expect to truly learn much. That is not to say you should become more liberal, rather you should be truly well-informed in your conservative views. When you come to Current and decide to share a comment that was developed by the latest neo-conservative talk-radio and Fox News programs, it makes you an easy target to undignify with real information. You speak with this arrogance that you seem to have it right, that you are the one that truly cares about this country, and those that disagree have been blinded with liberal disease, when everyone seems to care about the country they live in. Your foolish blindness is not experienced in darkness, rather it is filled with characters of the most discredited* networks to ever exist. (Discredited - to show to be undeserving of trust or belief; destroy confidence in.)

Check out Fox News credibility from various sources. Do not trust me, or anyone else for that matter, but gather as much information and check what the results seem to suggest. I think you will find that Fox News, as well as just about every corporate owned television network only discuss topics that support and sell their agendas, which manipulates peoples' belief systems and distort their perception of reality; which is the only way we could get people to stand up for insurance industries and their right to profit off the health-care system. It is about time you stop letting the television gimmicks make a fool out of you. Use the internet.

No, ive got it right.
Is there something specific I've said that you have a problem with?
I'm not the one who has been brainwashed by a specific media.
You probably read the daily kos and the huffington post and think that those are legit sources for fact.
As for "faux news" -- it does have various sources and differing viewpoints.
Libs hate it for that very reason.

I don't know why you think I would ever label myself as a complete liberal, or anyone that does not subscribe to Glenn Beck's insanity must be progressive disease rotted brains. Guess what? I took a course in Political Science not too long ago. In it, we took many surveys, figured out to assess the stance we would take on each and every topic. After all we had been through, we used the best measurements we could to figure out where on the political spectrum we fell. Want to know the results? I fell under Republican. I know, I just blew your brains, mine too. Well to be exact, it was definitely leaning right, but still very much so Moderate. The point is, I actually support many conservative policies, the problem is, corporations have hijacked politics and running the show; so what Fox News and many other talk radio stations sell as the image of being a Republican are actually closer to Fascism then it is to Conservatism. This among many other reasons is why we call them 'Neo'-Conservatives.

Back during the '08 elections, I was rooting for Ron Paul, the true leader of Liberatarians and the Tea Party Movement. Now, Dr. Paul himself, and everyone that supports him would not want him associated with the village-idiot-gathering that is now the Tea Party. I will admit to being very open to plenty of liberal ideas and policies, but that is thanks to what I already said--- there is hardly any real Conservatives out there, for what it truly means. I mean it in the sense of regulations, taxing, and government control. The people claiming to be Conservatives shoot and holler for bigger military budgets, fighting more wars, injecting Christianity into the lives of all Americans, while restricting rights from anyone that is not straight, White and Christian. Sorry my friend, that is not real Conservatism, that is ass-backwards on an ego-trip. I would like to see small government, one in which the military was not one of the the most successful pieces of the economy; corporations could not sit their lobbyists in to keep people ignorant of science and the arts; one that was open to emerging social values. To be exact, I don't think the government should get involved in a marriage of any sort, gay or straight--- "I'm straight, but I'm not narrow."

So you see montesooma, Glenn Beck and all the white people that are in fear of losing control of what they had going, and don't have it right. They are simply acting out of fear, no rationale involved. So the next time you're thinking about getting on Current, browsing through some hot topic issues, find comments that seem to be calling for "Patriotic-America First!-Sarah Palin-Lovin" views.... think again. Maybe not everyone else sees it, but trust me, I do; the Fox-viewers seem to be mostly White Americans that feel their precious reality is falling apart and they're ready to point fingers and call names with out saying anything of significance, just spewing out hatred and intolerance for anyone that doesn't think like them. I, for one, am sick and tired of it. Give it a rest.

Do your homework. You want to say you have conservative values, great, be ready to explain what that means in a way that applies to every government in the world, without injecting White America ideals into it. You want to say Karl Marx is evil and his plan was to enslave the world, just as every self-proclaimed Communist that came after him, then you had better of read the Communist Manifesto and tell me where Marx mentions the need for a dictator; or how anyone has ever been successful in approaching Communism as it is described in the Manifesto. That might have been a little too much for you.

What I can say is that Hollywood helped America believe in itself in a way that helped blind people through some craziness, but now time has proven that the stars don't remain beautiful forever, and reality can be a bitch, especially when it hits everyone that the American Dream has been realized, and it was not all that you thought it would crack* out to be. This country was never perfect at any point, not when the Europeans stole the land from the Natives, or when the settlers decided to claim independence from their mothering nations. The country has struggled to be a land of opportunity. Its principles derive from the concepts of the Enlightenment, not Exodus. We are still struggling to be better then we are. It won't end. We will never be perfect. And most certainly this territory will never be ruled by just White Christians, so a certain level of tolerance would be appreciated, so things aren't as difficult as your making it out to be. But most of all, get real about your sources of information.

You allege that I read huffington post and some other liberal media, well I will if it gets posted here on Current. This is where I get my info to keep current. I have a few other sources, but none I consider on level with corporate media. Fox News is a propaganda tool of Neo-Conservatives, plain and simple. Now we can agree that The Daily Show, Keith Olbermann, and The Rachel Maddow Show are all liberal ran media shows, the difference is they are far more credible then any show Fox, which has been proven time and again to distort and manipulate information, and tell stories only in the context that will work in order to sell their agenda to the willing sheep viewers, which is in the interest of their corporate sponsors over the well-being of the country. A majority of Fox viewers are White, Christian, and under-educated (meaning not having a highschool diploma, some times not even getting through middle school), that live in rural areas of the U.S.. Now I'm not suggesting all their viewers fall in this category, but generally it can be agreed upon. So its time you reflect on what kind of person you are being, and who is controlling the reality you believe in, and whether you want to be a sheep for much longer. I hope the best for you.

More crazy from monte.

I don't know if you and I would agree on many issues...but this is one of the best posts I've read in a long time. Well done.

because she is an austrailian and they have a "superior" healthcare system LOL

i'd have to agree with krag2112, this is a well thought out post, as compared to 'sooma who couldn't make a point that stuck if his life depended on it.
i swear it's jammer reincarnated

now is that necessary?
ur a hack

that's where you've got me confused with someone who writes more in your style.
the repetitive, worn arguments about obama as racist, obama as soacialist, obama as slave master, obama as non-american.
i mean really, just because you say it a thousand times doesn't make it true, except maybe to you and fox 'news'

montesooma,
you asked for it,
and
now
your going to get it.

This is your chance to prove your level of intelligence. I will be asking to prove the claims you have been making, and you must provide evidence. Glenn Beck will never qualify as a source. Nor will any other news source. I want information, not gossip.

-"To say that marx never advocated dictators is dishonest --- ok but he advocated elitist ruling class."

1.Prove it.
What book are you quoting that Karl Marx advocated Communism to need a dictator or an elitist ruling class?
I thought it was "Workers of the World, Unite!"?

2.You say that Ron Paul's Libertarian policies and outlook are isolationist and passive. Well it seems that people all over the world would disagree with you, that the Republicans we see on TV are not real Conservatives, they are the corporation and politics distortion of what a Conservative is. I personally cannot prove that claim of what others think, rather it is based off social exchanges with acquaintances from various countries. However, I do not need to really prove what others think abroad, I can provide you with a documentary that could help break down what a Neo-Conservative is and what their efforts seem to have been about during the eight years of Georgey W Bush's Presidency, himself, a Neo-Conservative.

Power of Nightmares:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2798679275960015727#

-"To say that liberal whitehouse mouthpiece networks who employ 100% progressive hosts are more accurate is silly -- it would be a whole other topic to show the vids edited by those jerks to MAKE news stories that weren't there."

3. It is understandable that every news network tells stories in favor of their views, using the numbers, the video shots and involving the people that get the story they would like it to be told. However, shows on MSNBC, The Daily Show and The Colbert Report hold themselves to higher standard than anything found on FOX 'News'. FOX has been caught time and again lying, manipulating, or plainly just making sh*t up, just to get their viewers to feel a certain way. FOX News is a propaganda tool of the Neo-Conservatives, not the real Conservatives. If you real have the spine to stick up for FOX, then watch this documentary, OUT-FOXED, or just do research, and tell me what part of it, if any, is false:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&ei=IMuzS-6QLYuGr...

-"To say that fox news viewers are uneducated is also b.s -- people that watch news at all are more educated than the general populace."

4.I don't know how to approach this, with out taking all your dignity away. Thank you for confirming that you are one of the many viewers without a high school diploma. Very brave of you. AS for the statement about 'people that watch news are more educated...' there is a clear difference between people that are well informed of current events and people that have an education; this very discussion being a perfect example. You ended the statement with "..more educated than the general populace." Wrong way of phrasing that claim. They are just more informed with with what the news is feeding them, and they can only be compared to those that dont have an interest with keeping up with it all, which it turns out, the general populace does keep up currents events, in one way or another. FOX News happened to be the top rated channel for awhile, but as we all know, ratings does not suggest respect, credibility or trust.

-"Oh and by the way europeans didn't steal the land from the natives, they conquered them for it."

5.You know your wrong, so there's no need to make arrogant statements like those. Well, at least I would hope that you are not that brain washed that you would actually think that the Europeans had much of a struggle with natives to take the land from the natives. If you actually believe that the natives deserved to be conquered, or that they should have fought harder, then you are just an empty-heartless-soul-less-vessel, and ive been wasting my time trying to teach you anything about tolerance or accepting humility.

montesooma, notice that even when I got a immature, I am trying to have a real discussion with you. You need to understand what brought me to the conclusions that I have, and tell me why you differ with me. The worst thing you can do is label me names, allege that i have it all wrong, only to continue doing the same thing day, after day, after day. If were going to continue commenting on Current, were going to have to discuss our differences.

I actually agree that repubs aren't truly conservative no argument there.
Did you watch my video of msbc doctoring that vid clip before you posted yours.
You tell me not to use media, and then you post a vid by bbc lol.
I will continue discussing with you tonight or tommorow. aight?

doesn't make it not true either.

right.
there's that spheroidal logic again. so if it's not true, that means it's...........
not, not true?

Your desciption of the tea party people whom are just americans from all walks of life as white people who just dont wanna lose their place - was both idiotic and offensive.
Yeh they don't want to lose their freedom and their money -- so fucking what?
Guess what sherlock. Man has been conquering man for land since man has been here.
Even if it offends your sense of "fair" and compasionate" thats just the way it is and always has been. The earth is ruled by the guy with most force.
The natives conquered each other for pieces of land - up until the 1940s they were still tribes eating each other -- hmmm i wonder would they understand your politically correct nonsense.

About marxism -- it was just a theory about classless society, but when put into practice it necessarily required someone to enforce it -- that is where lenin came in and also totalitarianism.
Lenin is the person who defines what marxism is because he is the one to put in practice, not karl marx
Marxism advocates elitism.

as far as the greenwald video, i don't watch conspiracy documentary's because they always leave out context. You might wanna check out this critique of that film.

http://bowlingfortruth.com/tag/fox-news/

no, number of repititions has no bearing on something being true or false

and yet your constant repetition of pure bullshit leads one to think that it's what you believe.
huh, go figure.

you believe that propaganda?

ever notice that the jars always have money in them.
I have seen untold times the community pitching in to help their fellow man, be it in pittsburgh kansas, NYC, or New Orleans and even around the world.
If the U.S is reduced to a 3rd world socialist country, those blessing's will end.

You fail to understand that health care reform is seeking to change that need for the jar. They want to make it easier to extend coverage to all people, not just to those who can afford it, who do not get sick, or those who pay for it through employment. We should not have to have a jar like that at all, and that is the logic behind reform.

Single-payer reform was supposed to be like a huge jar for everyone to take out money when they needed it; a social health care pot. People taking care of other people.

Our national community should be pitching in to take care of each other, not just our local community. If that's what it means to be socialist, then that is what we should be.

Yea I notice...the abundance of nickels and dimes piling up while the victim dies because he cant afford coverage NOW. Children and people everywhere deserve to have their health care be something more reliable than the jar next to a 'take a penny, leave a penny.'

so the govnment is wanting to break into the lucrative world of health insurance hmm
I dont see that as a legit function for the central govnment and it is certainly not in their enumerated powers.
This is not for benevolent reasons.
More likely is just another industry in a long list that they want to own and control.
Now that they have got that one, they will move on to the next one.
Possibly yours or mine is next.
your mistake is that you think this is about healthcare.

...absolutely...great post...Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...read that somewhere!!!

yeh believe it or not the french wrote it to honor america for giving people a leg up.

God, that sounds sooooo Christ like. I am so confused, Lifestudentno83, you're not from the religious right are you? You know like the Bible Pounders or the Tea Baggers or Birthers or some other Right Wing group.

(Sarcasm aimed at Montsooma via Lifestudentno83)

The question to be asked here is what's in a name? After all politicians are just that, politicians. It doesn't matter the name or whether they wear their religion on their sleeve or not. In time, most forget why they were elected and pursue their own ambitions. Some hold out longer than others before they fall prey to self. There are exceptions, rare, but they do exist

I sometimes wonder if Politicians could be replaced with computer programs that simply and consistently voted the way the voters did . Every item would have to be a three word sentence ...

I don't mind your idea at all. I share many ideas of the liberal/progressive spectrum and only a slim few with the moderate republicans.

How can we get things done and get people elected and move legislation forward? We have to get elected, and I feel that coming together as one voice (i.e. Obama) is our best chance. If we splinter off and go far right like the republicans we risk losing the moderate vote. Which is exactly what the republicans are doing right now.

McCain had the best chance of getting elected as a posed as a rogue moderate. Now he was saying that was all a sham as a runs on the far right principles that Arizona is demanding for its elected officials.

If the majority of American's have our particular views, than I am all for it. However, if in order to get only a few of our ideas promoted we have to concede to a moderate...I am all for it. We have to stay in the center to get things done, if we swing to far right or left it can be dangerous, as we saw what Bush did.

I was going to say there would be to many risks involved. What if it gets hacked into or gets a virus. The program would become corrupted. It would start running slow. Things of value could be lost or stolen. Somethings gone forever and you wouldn't know it until it was to late. You would be rendered relatively helpless until you reformatted and started all over. Rebooting is sometimes helpful but not able to kill the virus or the corrupted files within.

WOW, I just had an epiphany! What you suggest is very close to what we already have. Lobbyists are the hackers and money, greed and power are the viruses. The system is already corrupted and the good that remains has been reduced to something that is not able to function very well. Much has been lost or stolen. We re-voted but too many of the corrupted players remained intact. I think a total reformat is in order but since we don't own the program we have little to say and have been rendered relatively helpless.

Exactly . If we could only get a tamper proof system .... Ah , that will never happen . I am a dreamer ....

We dared to dream prior to many of the elections; even Al Gore dared to dream. Corruption seems to know no bounds. I do have to agree with you on the idea of a computer system that is tamper proof for voting on every issue. But alas, tis only a dream.

You are a darling .

I'm not so sure but thanks.

between your name and your sarcasm i am having difficulty determining whether or not thats a joke

Let's hope he's joking! I would hate to think anyone so ignorant (in this day of Wikipedia) that they don't know that socialism is a means of economic system where the workers own the means of production. It has nothing to do with feeding off the rich people. Rather it is meant to prevent unfair concentration of power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through a system of exploitation.

If mrburns is tired of working, I suggest he look into the "half blown socialist" countries of Europe. People work 35 hour weeks, get 4-6 weeks of paid vacation a year, and their universal health care pays for spa weekends for health maintenance/stress relief.

oops you left one out -- they are allowed to keep 10% of their income.
Their govnment is so gracious to let them keep that.

Clearly you've never lived anywhere else or traveled much. Your ignorance is cute.

Your just a liar. Plain and simple.

The truth is, it is none of yours mine or the govnment's business why someone has money or if they deserve to have it or should be forced to share.
This kind of thinking is the contrary to the idea of life,liberty persuit of happiness.
The left Hates this freedom and are very quick to demonize those who are successful or affluent.
The underlying motivation for this hate is that the left DESIRES this wealth.
For the lefties to call anyone greedy is nothing more than using the class envy ploy to build public support for them to confiscate what others have.

this is your confusion. Many who were the workers, became the ones with the wealth.
The way the forefathers envisioned were that people be given a ladder (opportunity) for self fulfillment of their own destiny.
Not a hammock to lie around and wait for some dictator to dole out rations taken from other people.

90% of money is in sales of products.
but you got one thing right, the govnment has sent businesses and jobs packing to other countries. Not just for child labor but cheap labor as in union and govnment free.

everyone has rights "let me be clear"
but neither the govnment nor the union it is in cahoots with have the right to collapse a company for the purpose of acquiring it for pennies on the dollar.
No wonder companies would move to a place that is less hostile and doesn't bite the hand that is feeding it.
The Union bosses are the most frequent visitors to the whitehouse to meet with obama.
They are strategizing to take the next industry down.
Pure unadulterated evil.

great list but is by no means exhaustive -- everyone it seems was looting this money.
Of course many of them were told they "had" to take it even though they didn't need it.
The real reason behind that is because this makes them subject to the govnment.
The borrower is a slave to the lender
Perfect example of the govnment using taxpayer money to buy control of private concerns.
I was in no wise in favor of this.

I think in this case, many involved in this particular lending process had pockets filled with dollars and IOU's from previous Lobbyist type deals and agreements. Many were already indebted to the borrowers and were just keeping the buddy system alive at the expense of the private concerns.

Oh my GOD , that was funny .

Well said !

Name one worker in the last few decades . Inventors , very rarely , not workers .

Did you publish that somewhere ? Brilliant .

its not an extreme push, its the same bill proposed by the republicans in the nineties to combat bill clintons "socialism, armeggedon", and my personal favorite "enslavement of the american taxpayer"

Exactly, they're fucking liars and they're not to be trusted.

I agree. Either they have been lead astray by the negativity of the the word socialism or they're just scared because they don't want anything to change because healthcare has never been a problem for them. A lot of folks have strong opinions on this topic but I get the feeling they don't really know much about it. What can you do............?

Only the incredibly stupid.

not worried bout the teabaggin right they (according to OMB statistics) make up less than 32% of the population and the more hate they spit the more independents they alienate the biggest mistake dems are gonna make is acting centrist in the failed attempt to attract those independents while their most favorable quality from an independents point of view is their not conservativyness.

I stand corrected.

Health care reform will cost the federal government $940 billion over a ten-year period, but will increase revenue and cut other costs by a greater amount, leading to a reduction of $138 billion in the federal deficit over the same period, according to an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office. It will cut the deficit by $1.2 trillion over the second ten year period.

This is according to the CBO, an independent non partisan agency. So 32 million people who didn't have access to health care will be able to see a doctor, people who do have health care will be protected from rescission, life time caps, pre-existing conditions and predatory rate increases. AND it's going reduce the deficit.

Any other questions spanky?

let me help him out here with a reply. "that's just a bunch of lies from that muslim president and his anti-christian administration." howzat? pretty gd dead-on?

Right. I forgot that Obama replaced the CBO with Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers and Operation Pink. lmao.

suddenly the "american people" are up in arms - wtf were they doing when the country was getting raped? cheering the rapists.
during that time it was progressives/liberals/others who were goofy for attempting a grassroots campaign to rid us of poor leadership.
and i agree with you saladin

Exactly, all these damn goons talking about "the Real America" are the same fucking guys who were on-board with Bush.

Dick Armey, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich....these names ought to be more familiar to people by now.

This Glenn Beck conservatism IS Bush conservatism, they're the SAME DAMN PEOPLE. And contrary to their rhetoric, they've gone -further- in their extremism than Bush.

I've been silent for too long about this because I wanted to lend these people some ideological legitimacy, but no more. Call them out for the liars and crooks that they are, it's the only way to keep this scared American populace out of the bastions of neo-conservative idiocy.

They too easily forget our past. But wherever I can speak I won't let them forget that this is the same Bush crowd. This is the closest we've been to real reform in American Culture in many decades and I'll be damned if we fall back into the pits of Exceptionalism and Reagan because I didn't have the balls to say what was absolutely true.

you might have more cred if you included people like john murtha, john kerry, chris dodd, barney etc
but you dont because your just a schill

country is getting raped right now and where are you on it.
uh defending and justifying the raping.

the fact that you agree with obama who is a lying crook himself, doesnt help your post.

...right on the knocker...great post..

I'm sorry I have to ask, but what specifically puts John Kerry on that list of yours?

i'm glad you posted this and let me know there's at least few smart people left on current.

Did you ever stop to think that there isn't a form of health-care that the TOTAL population majority wants? For example 33% could want a public option, 33% could want the current bill, and the other 33% would want poor people to work for them and laugh win they die.

Do I think it could be better? Yes. But the current bill is the closest we will get to a true representation of the will of the total American population at this time.