STATE of OREGON MAKES a PORN VIDEO with GASTON's CPS kidnapped Daughter

I call BS on this story. CPS would not have been involved unless their were real reports of abuse. The police comment to that effect does not mean that it is true.

There will always be people who commit horrible acts. Big Brother is not the answer because Big Brother is human as well and therefor fallible.

I wonder what torture was inflicted on this man to make him so fucked up?

I am going to venture to guess poverty and frustration, the drugs probably didn't help either.

CPS was too busy on Title IV-D programs reimbursement to state and local government for each child taken into foster care is approximately $6000/month.

I wonder how that compares to other countries?

Your story, at one of your previous comments, was very moving. I too was raised with a heavy hand and religion. I ran away for the first time when I was thirteen. Again when I was junior in high school. I never returned.

Thank you for speaking out against these lunatics bashing CPS.

I know CPS is far from perfect, but allowing children to remain with abusive parents is simply not an acceptable alternative.

Those that complain about CPS either have no experience with the agency, or are disgruntled parents who have been caught being negligent or abusive by CPS, and so they fabricate conspiracies and other horror stories.

she died in a domestic dispute - her husband shot her and killed himself - nothing to do with CPS.

Alex Jones is a second rate crack pot.

Yes, we should allow parents to beat and abuse their children. The children can fend for themselves. That is libertarianism.

no, it isn't
you're attacks are contradictions that don't stand up to the light of full thinking

How did you get to your comment from what he said? I am beginning to realize that your twisted logic in most instances is the the only thing that can't be defined. You my dear are the living embodiment of a conspiracy theory. I'm not even sure you even exist, maybe a program just spouting off the same programming to respond to anything proving government criminality. Yea, that must be it. Cute, creative, this whole time I've been arguing with a damn computer program, I should've noticed the predictability.

It is just conspiracy theory idiots and people who have a grudge against CPS making false allegations

I agree

thanks

Thanks Uni. We can always count on you to defend the establishment. CPS of California tried to steal my child and put her in a foster home. It took her mother, who was in jail, a month to get a judge to get another social worker to contact me. I had been calling everyday. My daughter thought I did not want her that whole time. You remind me of the Borg.

CPS does not try to "steal" children, we both know they had a good reason to take your child or they would not have wasted their time.

But it does make sense why you are trying to smear CPS with this very old undocumented story.

They did have good reason to take my child from her mother. They did not have any reason to keep her from me. I would have sued had I had the time and finance. I posted this because there is a underlying problem with how CPS conducts business. I was researching the very recent death of Nancy Shaefer.

Your right They Don't try to steal children. THEY STEAL CHILDREN! Outcomes in foster care are not front page news.

treewolf told you where to begin your research, don't expect the information handed to you, it's just a few clicks away. BTW, you absolutely sure you don't get a government paycheck?

How much time have you ever spent looking into this corruption? Give it a solid eight hours and see if perhaps your view changes. Or not.

Please google "legally kidnapped".

There is a reason the state takes children away. They just don't do it for fun and amusement.

I will reiterate, we need this program and agency.

Here is the dilemma that healthcare providers face. What is true abuse? Is it a parent that lets their child go without dental care and the child is in pain and can't focus in school, or even eat? Or is it belt marks so severe that the child can't sit down. Do you turn them in to CPS and to the police so a social worker can investigate. Or a mother on drugs, will she provide the best care for the child? Are the homes these children go to any better? I say yes, they are strictly monitored by the state. I always think the parents are the best choice for the kids. But a judge and higher authorities decide these things. Not just one rogue social worker out there abducting children off the street like some sci-fi movie.

This is almost conspiratorial in nature and is silly. We need the police, FBI, CPS, IRS, in order to allow our society to function properly.

I will concede, there are a few isolated incidences of a police officer or social worker doing the wrong thing. Does that mean we need to state the entire system is bad and evil. That everyone that works in it are out to take the children away and take poor innocent parents rights away.

I will tell you, there are some sick f...s for parents and I personally would give medals to the social workers and police officers who make next to nothing to make America a better place.

If CPS is necessary, what did they do before CPS? God, Americans are starting to make me sick. You're a bunch of pussies that rely on mother Government for everything. All can be taken care of by yourself, turn off the TV and learn something. If their were no police the citizens would learn to police themselves. If there were no doctors the citizens would learn to treat themselves. The world wasn't meant to be instant everything, we are supposed to be multi-faceted beings able to take care of many of the issues in our life without thugs or badges. The fluoride has shrunken our balls to the point where even the older men are metro-sexuals. Hint guys, ditch the eyeliner and the gel and go out and get dirty and sweaty or go shoot some guns in the woods. Oh, and take off that damn perfume, oops, cologne and be a man. CPS is bullshit, your children are yours and if you have a problem raising them your neighbors, family, church and others should step in and have a talk with you. We don't do this anymore because we can just pick up a phone and 'rat' on our neighbors and cost them money in court making their difficult life even worse and making it impossible to 'qualify' for the return of their children. How did we become so self-righteous in this country. We cheer on an oppressive government all the way until the point that we get caught in the cross-hairs and then we can't understand what happened. What happened is your sick lifestyle caused you to sit back with apathy as it happened to others and now you wonder why nobody is lifting a finger for you, it's a pattern, a sick one at that. I'm gagging, a little, in my mouth at all of you out there sitting in your easy chair allowing fellow Americans to suffer safe in your network bubble of 'reality' shows when the true reality and so cool and it's right outside your door.

The Nation began making laws because people like you also felt that beating their child within an inch of their life was their right. Well, hell, it is THEIR property. Just like women used to be property, hell, men of a different color also used to be property. The laws have changed though to be more tolerant.

Thank GOD the government stepped in. So we don't have the church running things. We have a government that we pay taxes to that builds and maintains our roads, protects us from foreign and domestic threats, that takes care of things that the citizens would not otherwise.

I don't sit back in apathy either. I professionally help others. I am involved with organizations that do good work. I am unable to come out and say what I do...but trust me, I am watching every move you make, hahahaha.

I never said that the job they are doing is not necessary. I AM REALIZING that with all government agencies thinking that the people are doing their job correctly is a fantasy. I would hope that most are but that still means that many are not and that is inexcusable. The problem is that by protecting the victims CPS also protects their own. There needs to be independent oversight so that some of the foster abuse gets stopped. Nothing is perfect but we should always strive to improve the institutions tasked with protecting the most innocent.

I do agree that the system needs monitoring. They have internal oversight. I judge is appointed along with a case worker for most cases. I am sure there are special instances though where they don't need any oversight.

Cough, bullshit, cough. The government has never stepped in anywhere for the protection of the people. Can you say PROFIT. Read much, I never said children were property. I said your children are yours but the government treats them as property that they can take and give back like livestock while they make their profits off of them. Dumbasses like you caused all of the laws in this country because you can't do anything for yourself. Somebody help me, call somebody, bring in the law, bring in the administration, call CPS, wuss, wusses, all of you out there. Do something for yourself, cook at home, kill your own food, grow your own food, take care of neighbors, family and friends and quit getting the government more and more into your lives. Believe me, the end result is nasty, it's a slippery slope until the control becomes oppressive. Oh, and don't worry about me and you or anyone else watching me; worry about anyone that tries to violate the Bill of Rights or the Constitution on my watch, that won't be tolerated, my friend.

But it is the failure of the community and friends and family to act as they should that causes CPS to get involved in the bad situations. It should never come to CPS but Americans have become television blobs of nothing with no connections to their environment or neighbors. If these families are bad it is because we are all bad and not doing our jobs. As Mrs. Clinton says, "It takes a village to raise a child." There's a reason for that saying, we are supposed to intervene and help each other out without government involvement. Get away from the TV and find out why the neighbors are yelling at each other and try to work it out with them. That is the only way for us to avoid a total police state. We are becoming disconnected and relying on specialists to do everything for us. We will cease to exist and self implode as a race if this continues.

Ya and they need to be accountable for their actions. Police always have the ear of the court weather they lie or not. CPS has the courts ear as well.

What is true abuse? Is it a parent that lets their child go without dental care and the child is in pain and can't focus in school, or even eat? So CPS takes the child and puts them in a foster home and the state pays for dental care. Most people who have not experienced the system have no idea how it really operates.

Monkey_films, I think you are a bit extreme here but I have to admit, a number of your points do have some validity. In some cases quite a bit and in others not so much.

I agree with you 100%.

I would also like to add that the church in most cases doesn't do much. They generally try to bury things. An example would be the Catholic church and some of their priests abusing little boys. Sweep, sweep, sweep.

The church I grew up with (not Catholic) are guilty of covering many things up as well.

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Monkey_films, it is not so clean and clear cut as you say or may think. I agree it should be like you say but in abusive situations it is sometimes more complex and covert.

I will use my childhood as an example. My dad was extremely abusive. He was good with a belt and his fist and perhaps even better with his tongue. All three methods were done with a great deal of violence and intensity. My mom whipped me with a wire coat hanger stretched out to it's full length. Bloody noses and welts for me were not uncommon. I don't ever remember any bruises. I experienced hunger on a number of occasions and I was expected to work long hard hours. Quite often I would get to work for 24 to 36 hours without sleep and catch up on Sunday as it was the Sabbath, you know the day of rest.

I watched my dad upon more than one occasion beat some of our livestock to death. One time that comes to mind, he beat a new born calf to death with a bucket and another time he slammed approximately 25 new born baby pigs against a wall to kill them while in a fit of rage. The last one that wasn't completely dead he hacked it in half with a claw hammer. He hacked it in half with the hammer only because my younger sister begged to nurse it back to health. Then he rubbed her face in the pile of dead bodies and told her she could have the whole fucking bunch. I was approximately nine to ten years old and she was one year less.

We would go to church on Sunday and act like we were the greatest family. Life was on the line so we learned to act pretty damn good. We were terrified to tell anyone about anything. Who would we tell, we were led to believe that everyone lived like this.

No CPS, no church intervention, no neighbor intervention in fact I am not sure that anyone even knew. The Bastard has never been brought to task for any of this as there is a statute of limitations on such things.

I came from a very similar family experience nix the violence towards cows. However, I don't think your chances of getting a better life would have been much better in the foster system. Your best chance would have been to find someone to deal with your parents issues or get you kids to live with family of some kind. I never got out and have had to work hard not to mirror the ways of my parents. I am now fully in control of my anger and can easier understand those who haven't been able to deal with it better. The problem is that America has lost touch with neighbors and even family. These issues are better dealt with in the community. The government is evil in its existence alone and our founders even said so, but a necessary evil. However, they also warned us about allowing the growth of this government to invade our lives. Government should be kept to a bare minimum and should do just that, govern. Government should never be involved in personal lives in any form, be it Health Care or CPS involvement. CPS was created, originally in the 1930's to carry out government eugenics programs and those deemed not worthy to procreate. This idea was stolen by Hitler and then he contacted the U.S. and we sent specialists in eugenics programs over there to teach him. CPS in America was the foundation for the ideology of Hitler, FACT People. If your father got busted for burglary, the other members of the family were visited by CPS and taken to be sterilized. If your mother had a child with Downs Syndrome, same thing, all members sterilized. Your Aunt gets put in the insane asylum, everyone gets sterilized. That was the beginning of America's CPS, don't believe me, do the research. They continued this until 1964 in California. The intention of this agency was NEVER to do any good for children or families.

It needs to be said that this is an extreme instance obviously.

On a side note:
You all know that Nazi is a German slang word with specific roots in the German Naziism. This word is overly and inappropriately used and makes any one who uses it seem shallow.

Last time I checked this would be considered corruption. An English word. You can't tell me that any government officials beyond those involved had any idea this was going on. All I'll say is that is seems that there is a lot of blame shifting going on here.

The good old days. Lead paint and dust bowls. Who wouldn't want that?

These problems seem to be localized. Definitely not the whole state. Again I do not know if CPS is run the same way nation-wide.

You do realize that even without the lead paint and dust bowls 75% of the illnesses humans have today didn't exist until the early 20th century and have increased progressively along with our 'progress'.

I think it is like anything else, if there are people involved you will get good and bad, corruption and benefits. A program is only as good as the people running it. This makes it possible for such things to happen. There are many success stories as well with regards to CPS. How things are run are greatly influenced by people's perspectives. We all have perspectives and in some cases they are like other things we all have one of.

As they say: "The devil lies in the De-Tails."

I do some of the things you mentioned. However, I am of the opinion that the government has laws that protect us. Until you see the abused children you have no idea what people are capable of. I literally wanted to hurt someone, along with the rest of the staff I work with.

I can do more than you think on my own. I am suggesting that we need laws to protect our society. I will admit to being a "Dumbass" because I want laws. I will not call you any derogatory names for thinking that laws and taxes are evil things. You are just on the fringe of society. Thank GOD that the majority of America believes as I do.

In fact, some of your friends just got arrested by the FBI from some of their militia like beliefs.

Now you are suggesting violence for someone that violates the bill of rights of the constitution based on your extensive legal background and "YOUR UNDERSTANDING" of these two ideas. What is to say that you are treating these documents like the bible is based. Your opinion and a legal scholars may be different. I don't believe that you should promote violence or your friends at the gun show.

You are not wrong, however, what do you suggest when someone comes to see me and I notice child abuse as a health care professional? Do you suggest I talk to their neighbors and sternly suggest that child abuse is not advised in the future? That the child's multiple broken bones in the same bones and spiral fractures suggest just a mistake? That possibly the family and friends and neighbors should have become more involved.

Now you are either just being argumentative to post something to debate or you are a child abuser trying to justify your actions. We need laws and I am behind the laws and would not only give raises to the police and social workers who deal with these despicable people that abuse children. The children should be taken away after reviewing the case by a judge or higher level supervisor to ensure that it is warranted. Then place the child in temporary foster care for their protection. Versus a dead child or continued abuse.

I am afraid to ask what you think of sexual abuse by the father on his own daughter. I find this more than reprehensible and do not think that the child should remain in the parents care. That is also the one thing that is taboo in all cultures is parent and child having sexual relations and having children.

Absolutely the police and social workers have the trust of the courts after establishing a relationship of trust. After you see 200 cases of child abuse you tend to deal with the same judges eventually. Hmmm, who are you going to trust, a father who is addicted to crack or a police officer that has been dealing with incredibly difficult people for 10 years?

The answer is obvious to me, so I say take the child away when appropriate. Whomever has to pay for the childs care I believe we as a society should soak up the costs. Yes, even with taxpayers money.

I know you are going to say it is not your responsibility. To bad, elect officials that agree with you and change the laws. Tell me how that works out for you. Because both sides of the aisle agree with me.

Well, the FBI did arrest some anti-government militia types a few days ago that probably agree with you. However, they are referred to as extremist, hahaha.

Hell I am more socialist then Obama. I am against foster abuse and over use. Foster parents need to be fucking awesome or they should not have the job. Transparency and accountability.

There will always be cases in which there are people that do bad things. However, they don't represent the whole system in every state. Not every single person is guilty that works for the CPS. Do they probably need some process changes? Possibly.

They still do necessary work that is good, along with the police department that enforces the court orders.

We are not perfect. If parents would act more responsibly we wouldn't be having this discussion thread.

I guess it isn't ethical to ask if parents who have abused their children in the past not be allowed to have children in the future? I know the answer, it is rhetorical in nature.

You just have not been exposed to the abuse, so you can argue on grounds of mere ideological premise.

I still strongly disagree and still want these people to receive more for what they do. Along with police officers, fireman, and school teachers.

I know you don't want to pay more in taxes so I know my ideas will be met with outrage.

I think that 'didn't exist' is kinda of strong phrasing. Try looking up the rate at which "mysterious deaths" have decreased as well. You aren't the first to use the fact that research pre-dating the 19th and 20th centuries are deluded and essentially useless.

What I don't understand is how that relates to things being so great. Just because we had a lack of knowledge does not mean that we were happy and everyone was healthy. The opposite was true. 200 yrs ago they didn't know the difference between cancer and stomach cramps they just knew that one day pappy was coughin blood and the next thin you know he was dead. It was also far more common for women to die during child birth, while at the same time if you got an infection your were much more likely to lose a limb.

But I digress. Forget that the life expectancies are the highest they have every been. Forget that millions are save due to preventative vaccination. Things must have been much better before all that.

I agree, I hate to send ANY child to the foster care system. The foster parents are no replacement for the real parents. However, if the child's safety and welfare is a concern and at stake, I have no compulsion for filing a report to have the child removed from the home. I have told parents in the past their child is going to be removed from their care at this time. I will do so in the future as well without ANY problems either.

Tell me what abuse you have seen, on behalf of the child, not the so called innocent parent who will always be embarrassed and claim it was a miscarriage of justice.

CaptB I think your heart is in the right place. From my own experience I tend to not trust government agencies. The most common form of child abuse that I see is television and soda pop.. The war on drugs has split up many homes. Poverty is abuse. Every time education funding is cut another child is abused. Religion can be, by far, the worst abuse. War is abuse.

CaptB, I agree with you on this. "There will always be cases in which there are people that do bad things. However, they don't represent the whole system in every state. Not every single person is guilty that works for the CPS. Do they probably need some process changes? Possibly.

They still do necessary work that is good, along with the police department that enforces the court orders."

Where there are people, there is corruption! I think there are many cases that can be shown proving many lives of children have been saved by this program as well.

Actually, I wouldn't re-word it one bit. Many of our illnesses absolutely didn't exist due to the lack of the carcinogens that cause these illnesses. Additionally, many of our illnesses are stress related or psychological and had no reason to exist in those years.

You make my point about not needing a government Nanny and the wussification of Americans. You see, since the information is out there and we understand things much better shouldn't we be more capable of self medicating and treating ourselves, not less? We do nothing but a few household chores and whatever career we've chosen. Humans should be capable of taking care of themselves, doing many jobs, building things, etc. We are not evolving forward but instead are allowing computers to do our thinking for us and shrinking our abilities down to the necessities for a paycheck not for survival. Thus, our evolution is going in reverse and we are technically, self destructing by way of reverse engineering ourselves. We have become more basic than we were just 50 years ago. This is obvious by the lack of education of many of the posters on Current. Tell me it's not. The higher levels of thinking, philosophy and the arts have suffered drastically and that is a sign of the fall of a civilization. We are becoming useless, strike that, destructive to the very life blood of the planet. What purpose do we serve if not to think and live freely and ponder the mysteries of the universe?

We now are entering a time when many people are actually ignorant enough to see no threat from a one world government. People think reality is something they can see on TV. For Heaven's sake, everyone would think you were insane if you sat on your balcony for hours a day facing the neighbors house and watching everything that went on. Yet, it's commonplace for people to do the same thing in front of a television set and then not only admit it but compare notes with friends, neighbors and family. This is what you call better than the past when people actually worked until they went to bed or visited with the neighbors and kids could go anywhere without a curfew or a rapist waiting for them?

Umm, I'm from Kentucky, parents and children don't get together where you live? lol. Seriously, in those case I would suggest that the parent be investigated by police, possibly specially trained officers with counseling and training appropriate for the job. I would contact all immediate family in the area first, then in other states and see if the children might be placed with one of these families. If the courts are convinced the parents have an issue then they can only have supervised visitation with the children and they remain with family until the parents receive the counseling necessary and are cleared by a specialist. If this never happens for some reason, then at least the parents and children can continue their bond safely and the child is never exposed to the dangers of the foster care system and the abusives of CPS. Only in a case when nobody else comes forward with responsibility should the State Government get involved in the raising of children. In addition to the obvious dangers imposed by this system there is the very real possibility of indoctrination of one sort or another. That's what I mean by neighbors, family, friends. The more we practiced a system as such the more the abuse would stop before it gets to the point where injured children have to visit you.

We need to get the people back to being involved with each other instead of some fake big titty ho' on some reality TV show. This would prevent the horrors that you come across in your work.

Well said "We need to get the people back to being involved with each other"

I don't agree with your ideas of asking the family to take care of the child. Because the abuser will get in touch with the abused and the family will make them feel guilty and protect the abuser.

That is why we take the child away. I know these are sensitive ideas and are difficult to talk about. I just have to look out for the welfare of the abused.

I am sorry if I offend any of you with my ideas. They just happen to be the law. I abide by the law. If you don't like the laws I need you to be responsible and elect someone that holds your own views to change the laws that I abide by. I guarentee you though that these laws will only get stricter. Megans Law is a recent one.

I know you guys probably hate this law.

I didn't even make fun of Kentucky, that took great self control, hahahhaha. Just kidding, they have a good basketball team. Well, they did until they were knocked out, hahaha.

Go DUKE

If a mother walks in as a crack addict, Hell Yeah I am calling CPS. Poverty is absolutely abuse and they need help. I am all for helping the family receive welfare and if the parents still can't help the child then it is time to take them away so they can be cared for. Education is subjective, the level of education isn't necessarily abuse. Some children do not have the cognitive abilities to do as well as you. In that case is it abuse? Education isn't for everyone, and that is why we still have jobs that are labor based. Also home schooling is allowed in many states, and the states require that a certain level of test can be passed. So if the child cannot speak English that is construed as abuse and the state can influence the parents to seek alternative methods or convince them to go to public school. Should we all go to Duke? (I love Duke by the way, hahaha).

War is bad, absolutely, I will not say more. I know first hand.

On education I have seen a dumbing down ever sense "no child left behind". Some high schools are no longer requiring physical education even though it is proven to stimulate learning, or more correctly put, mental activity.

I guess in the end those of us who care need to step forward and protect every child the best we can.

I agree with your take on the education being dumbed down. Until the parents some level of responsibility and start becoming involved in their childs education we can't hold the system completely culpable. Although, there are some things that should be changed to make the system better. I just don't have the answers when there are parents that don't even see education as necessary or important. Dropping out of school is acceptable for some families. Should we hold the teachers and school districts responsible for low graduation rates or drop outs?

Well I think that depends on the school overall. I remember teachers who could effective communicate to a very large class and others that could not teach their way out of a wet sock. Overcrowding classrooms and a lack of discipline often lead to dropout.

Parents do need to step up but not all have the academics to be successful in helping their children with high school homework. As a society the disproportionate amount that goes to the military is an everyday reminder of what we think is important. I would immediately take 100 billion from the military and put it directly into the public school system.(Not the charter programs) I would also scrutinize the teachers by surveying the students. Ask the kids. They often know more then they let on. Children also seem to know more about fairness then their parents. I call that "Just the way it is syndrome".

Rumor has it that our 'Fabulous Freshmen' are going to wait for the NBA and return next year to 'prove' themselves and take it all. Go Cats! Oh, and Duke is a touchy subject around here so you did step on our toes a little bit, lol.

I totally agree, and actually see that some of my attitude towards CPS comes from a couple of personal experiences (illegal on their part) and I forgot to blame the lack of attention today's parents show their children as a contributing factor. I guess that could be included in my theory that friends, family and neighbors need to re-connect. I should add families to that list. Oversight and improvements in CPS combined with improvements in families and society would be a dream combination.

I agree that we can't wait for a utopia to take place. So we just need to reform CPS to be a responsible organization. You will not see any changes because I already feel they are responsible adn not doing a bad job.

That is one thing that Kentucky has gonig for them is that the Freshman are the best in the nation. I actually thought that Kentucky would go all the way with Kansas and my pool had Kansas winning it all. I copied Obamas picks for the most part. Who would have thought that it would turn out this way. haha.

Thank you for sharing. People do not notice things until they are in their face.

Child Protection Service.

Wow... and the government is allowing this to happen? Can't wait till 2012... hopefully that will wipe out the garbage that we have living among us!

It is a goverment agency.

I thought so too but I am changing my view due to the lack of accountability and transparency. Plus my own dealings with them trying to steal my daughter in California back in 1998. At the time I thought I was the exception not the norm.

"State of Oregon makes a PORN video with GASTON's kidnapped Daughter"

Kennymotown: Sounds interesting!

haha. I might want to edit your comment a little.