Large Hadron Collider makes history, world doesn't end

That's a good point, but it only applies until a measurement is made and somebody looks in the box to see if the cat is alive or dead.

Are you saying that someone outside the world has to check before we know whether it ended or not? Has anyone checked with the astronauts on the space station?

You are entirely correct to ask that question, UtopianSky. Notice how they said the Hadron Collider achieved a much higher energy than they thought possible. That's evidence son, solid evidence! the device went ballistic, exhausted itself by killing us all and that's what brought it back down.

Like nuclear stack rods.

It "cooled itself down" by expending the energies required to kill us then give us life again. We have every reason to believe we all just passed through the veil of a Star Trek warp core explosion.

Now all they have to do is make a couple of Mini-Hadrons and they have their transporters. Well, they'll have to figure out how to direct the life force~content from one to the other. Probably via a laser beam ride. I wouldn't want to trust it for long distances but from earth to & from the orbiting ISS that seems reasonable.

Speed of Light from here to there is close to instantaneous, or the Moon. I wouldn't be so certain about Mars. For longer distances they would have to come up with something more sophisticated with auto-correction circuits and such. They'll use animals to experiment on, maybe a few key PETA leaders, buncha dang rabble rousers.

Canceling me out by talking to one NASA janitor picked up the phone? No one has questioned any live feed from the station. We're questioning there being live people up there. Feeds can be replays of last week. My word and Jackie Gleason chasing the Bandit trumps that bunch of lying scum NASA impostors you got hooked up to in India.

But there you get into an infinite regress of deceptions where I can't even know that you even exist since you haven't proved you're not just some software routine spouting preprogrammed responses.

Your word means nothing because you haven't answered the question, are you live or just Memorex?

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HA-dron, Hay-dron CoLIder King of the Wild Frontier. Da that's all Folks!

what the hell are you talking about? Your kidding right?

Not at all.
People are dying from hunger and lack of basic resources like clean water and medicines.
Are you kidding?

I totally agree. The LHC is one of the most expensive things ever created. The money could have been better spent. And it's not really an experiment that will benefit anyone by like curing a disease or something. It's just to prove whether or not a theory is correct.

That is terribly shortsighted since it is impossible to predict where the research will lead.

Again to use a simple example, did anyone know where the study of quantum mechanics would go? It lead to the theory of coherent light and the development of the LASER.

Lasers are now used in a lot of treatments that cure disease as well as thousands of other uses in consumer electronics, scanning and security systems.

So don't be so quick to dismiss what could be useful or something

WASTE OF MONEY. The laser was an accidental discovery, somebody left a chocolate bar next to a light bulb. Blood money happens when you do experiments while little infants rot in their mother's arms the Mom unable to even produce milk for her child, both Mom and infant starving to death while IDIOTS BLOW UP THE WORLD.

The study of quantum mechanics didn't cost 2.6 billion euros to start off, break, then cost 34million euros to maintain per year.

What do you think the LHC does? It extends the research done on quantum mechanics

How much have all the previous accelerators like CERN, SLAC, Tevatron plus lab equipment for the last 125 years cost?

Get a clue that it hasn't all been sudden or without trillions more than it cost repaid from advances gained from the research

To start of, I never implied it was useless or wasteful.

What the Hadron Collider could help us to discover could or could not be one of the greatest discoveries, although, does the cost constitute the means when we can't manage what we have already? That is my main point that I want people to consider.

You are right, I don't know the expenditures that went into MRIs and yes, I could find out.
When the MRI was discovered by Sir Peter Mansfield and Paul Lauterbur, they were intending to find just that. Being University physics professors specializing in rapid magnetic field imaging they knew what they were trying to perfect.
The cost was highly unlikely anywhere near $3.5 billion U.S. which is how much it cost to make the Hadron Collider not to mention sustaining operation and maintenance cost.

All I'm saying is the cost doesn't fully justify the means, not when the world's economy is teetering on the edge of a cliff and when we still have 1.5 million displaced people in Haiti alone after raising millions from individual donations.
It doesn't make sense to spend so much on a hypothetical when the real is suffering. Not now at least.

I take it back. Highly-educated Neanderthals 6,000 years ago built the first Hadron Collider on Atlantis then blew themselves to smithereens in an instant of time. They sacrificed themselves to make today's home sapiens. We are the children of ATLANTIS and it is our DESTINY to sacrifice our selves now to make the next people => Homo Superior.

It's our job to step up to the plate and die for our children.

You're describing a nonstop repeating loop, then you're using the nonstop repeating loop to justify the continuation of the nonstop repeating loop. Gotcha. To continue that process forward guarantees -and accepts- worldwide starvation for the sake of any & all expensive science.

Your argument says in essence that feeding any scientific advances that MAY COME OR MAY NEVER COME is more value than STARVING PEOPLE THAT IS COMING TO THEM NOW and in their forever-to-come Future.

You have just defined acceptable greed causing pre-meditated murder of a mass murder genocide level. I dunno there Slarabee but you better watch your back. They let JanForGore roam freely now.

There's always another hill needing to be climbed... so you can get to the greener pastures. But is the grass green if it's covered with somebody else's blood?

whoa, good point. Harsh, but a good point.

Let me restate and reiterate what I said earlier.
Thats a sh*t load of money to start off a project and then maintain it!

Never in history has anything costed this much for hypotheticals. Not to mention, with the potential of mass destruction.

Do you think people living with immediate pain, hunger, living in fear of death due to lack of infrastructure, clean water, medicines, care about dark matter, super symmetry, and grand unification theories?
Of course not, because it's not necessary for life! It's not even necessary for a great life.

This time in history we are more connected globally than during any other time before us.
What happens on one side of the world effects the other. America was in the same funk in the 70s and before that, the 30s, the difference this time is that many nations are in an economic crisis because of global connectivity.
We now know, we are aware. To turn a blind eye to what is going on here and now in the present and focus on the possibility of what could be had in the future is selfish and ignorant.

The name of da game is to keep people worried, upset arguing and discussing. Keeping the focus always somewhere else. People follow the money! So by that method -spending big money- you can lead the masses in any direction you want them to go.

Like a bridge to nowhere. Chuck a juicy piece of News over there, everybody goes over there, and you do whatever you want to back here. Works every time. Keep the people moving in a circle.

I wasn't going to write back then I was going to explain what this machine does, what it took to build and what they hope to learn from it for the future....but.....fuck it, your right, they should have spent the money on bread, water and penicillin. Whatever you say kid. You all ready have your mind made up why bother with silly information. The smartest scientist in the world just wasted the money building the biggest piece of junk ever. MAN! If they would have only called you first

Most inventions don't take chances wasting everybody FACE FIRST DEAD into their morning cereal. Were their intentions to help mankind like great philanthropists or help themselves to as much loot they could carry?

They have no right to claim philanthropic intentions when they drained the world bank so low they laughed at people needing penicillin just as YOU are doing here now.

Shove your explanations. Murder is murder. Murder for scientific advances is still murder, pre-meditated in fact. Murder that places scientific curiosity over people's lives is more pre-meditated murder and you're a murderer possessed of murderer's usual greed.

your right......feel better? It's like arguing with Rev. Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist in Kansas, that God doesn't exist.

You've wandered into somebody better than Phelps. Wander back out.

That's okay. You have a widespread malady many people have it. I think of it as slippery morality but I think some people may call it relative morality or something. It's what happens to people when they aren't anchored in Bible Truth. They drift away from the dock.

You're exactly correct about solar panels. I think the way they justify them is that the expenditure is creating new jobs, so that makes the loss acceptable. There are much better and much faster ways to get power from solar. You can also get power from gravity and from the awesome pressure of ocean water.

But to do any of those systems you have to think in terms of power magnification and overlapping motions. Some of them are starting to slowly do that but it's like watching snails cross an interstate. They act like they have just all the time in the world but last week 7 tornadoes deprived many people of electric power as well the weeks before that and in California since the big quake yesterday.

I guess it would take a direct hit on DC to speed them up. The entire Chicago area took one back in January or early February and Obama seems to have speeded up, so it does work.

The year many western cultures consider to be the first is the birth of Prophet Jesus. He is known as 'Isa' in the Quran, which came about only 600 years after Jesus died, but only 200 after The New Testament began being put together by the Roman Empire, followed by the Dark Ages through out Europe. Jesus is known as the 'fisher' of all men, and you can find people displaying a fish to represent their faith in Christianity. Therefore, the first fish of the cosmic age can be tagged with Religion and Theocracy.

Between the 14th and 17th century, Europe went through a Renaissance. *As a cultural movement, it encompassed a resurgence of learning based on classical sources, the development of linear perspective in painting, and gradual but widespread educational reform. Traditionally, this intellectual transformation has resulted in the Renaissance being viewed as a bridge between the Middle Ages and the Modern era.* (straight from WikiP) The results of the 'enlightened' thinkers of those times are what we consider the fundamentals of science. Science has struggled to be understood because it threatens the reality of religious followers had thought they had explained. And just as we began with Christ, the first fish and thesis, we end with other fish and anti-thesis, or the Anti-Christ.

The Pisces Age is to be succeeded by The Aquarius. This is where it is truly open to interpretation. The Aquarius is represented as a person pouring water, "the water-bearer", however it is a air sign. In terms of how it translates in events, the water is poured towards the end of the Age of Pisces so the two fish may swim together. In essence, the Religion and Science, along with many dualities in life, confront one another and find the ability to live amongst each other. That is not suggest that everyone will begin sharing common beliefs, rather people will yield to tolerance. It is happening right now, as you read this piece. The internet provides people with ability to express their every opinion, explain their belief systems and discuss grievances with those they differ with.

We can see it when Creationists and people that understand science discuss our Origins. Out of that very discussion, people may not agree on the belief in a Universal-God-Creator, however, those that do choose accept the facts of Science can still continue living with Faith with the concept of Intelligent Design; the idea that the universe is indeed millions of years old, that dinosaurs are not just a prank from God, but nature and evolution had a helping hand through it all from sort of supreme being. Thanks to our ability to discuss those differing views, we find compromise, followed by the ability to further our analysis and understanding of the world and universe we live in.

Well, if we are going into another age then this one must be near its end, and the Apocalypse must be near. That should not be taken as meaning the grand old 'End of Time', but for what the word actually means---*An Apocalypse (Greek: Ἀποκάλυψις Apokálypsis; "lifting of the veil" or "revelation") is a disclosure of something hidden from the majority of mankind in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception, i.e. the veil to be lifted.*

So for those that are hoping that their Savior will be returning to take them and their people to the Utopian realm, while sending everyone else to burn in hell for eternity... sorry to discredit your beliefs, but it seems we have gone through quite a few Apocalypses and came out better off, in this world, all together. That is not to say some religious zealots couldn't blow us all up with Nuclear bombs, which would be the end of existence for humans, but that isn't really the end of time. The Sun will continue shining and the other planets will continue to orbit around it, (not around the Earth, hehe.. Galileo ref.). If we blow this planet up, killing one another, that won't stop the Universe carrying on as it did before the birth of humans.

I suggest people learn to embrace those they differ with. Try to understand how someone could come to the conclusions they have, offer your grievances modestly, and accept humility when it is due. Most importantly, practice what you preach; so if you don't practice it adamantly, then don't dare preach it. As an Aquarius myself, and someone that has had to confront many dualities through out my life and in my identity (Arab-American), I've learned to re-assess my sources of information and re-evaluate the goals I was accomplishing. Bottom line: Turn off the TV, Get Online! New Global Consciousness, here we come!

(( I will write an actual article that will go into further detail on these concepts, with sources of Carl Jung, The Holy Bible, links to relevant sites and videos that will help really piece this together. The Large Hadron Collider will actually be discussed in this article. Not sure when and where I will be posting it, but I figured some people may be interested to read it. Toot taloo... ))

damn thats a lot to read and not be any smarter for it

Look at my other comment.

seriously....Ajil replied to their all ready too long comment. PUT THE COFFEE CUP DOWN AND WALK AWAY!!!!

Ok, I will admit I actually took aderrall before I began typing. But I'm a dork about this stuff; mythology, religion, history and I would even include spirituality. I just thought I should share for the chance that there others that would get some sort of excitement out of it.

Interesting , I look forward to reading it .

No one is going to read this crap. I didn't.

i absolutely agree
not at all any smarter

You sound like a really nice fellow. If the Hadron breaks down again we could send them you and save a LOT OF MONEY.

Hush up man. You're dead. We always make the newly dead have to read the long posts.

Get it out of your system, write it til ya can't see the keyboard any more. That's what I do and EVERYBODY on Current absolutely loves me for it.

I appriciate your attempt to break it down like Barney for us. +^'d
I don't remember what your exact wording was, and I'm too impatient to read all that again, but Aquaius is not an element of light, it's element is air. Combine that with it's symbol of water bearer and you get storms, or more specifically, lightning and magnetism. If you consider how important electircity and magnetism is to our society today, you could say we're already in the age of Aquarius.

If what you say is true you could say we've been in the Age of Aquarius since 1989. That year I submitted to the Dept. of Energy how to provide this world with electricity from lightning. They appear not to have understood the simpleness of it (i.e. they only approve difficult stuff). So, how do you like the horn of plenty bounty of an Energy~Wealthy Aquarian? Ain't it cool?

You could say that about any kind of research when you dismiss the possibility for advances.

For example I'll bet you'd say the same thing when LASER were developed and totally ignore the potential they evolved into to be used in a wide range of scanners and CD players

Ulysses S. Grant is dead. How many times do I have to tell ya that?

sweet salty balls!

I prefer the theory that it doesn't matter anyway as we're all part of the fleeting daydream of a magic superbeetle from a parallel universe... hehehe!

We are both dead and undead at the same time.

lol
+^'d

It's really too bad that Angels and Demons wasn't all that interesting a movie....

I agree, not nearly as good as the book, although this scene was really well done. Why someone would vote a comment about peace down is interesting actually. I guess fusing science and religion is something many wouldn't want even for all of their big talk.

If you spent it all on a stripper named Molly Mounds, like that guy in Armageddon, then at least you had a good time before you have to pay up

No it was for a new rideing mower. I wanted my yard to look Good till the end.

and faux news...

With that ratio then it is most likely that there are more interesting interactions and collisions going on than just between particles

Bazing!

In their continuing efforts to recreate the miracle transporter used successfully many times as shown in the original Star Trek archives, the spinster women working with the Hadron Miracle Collider~Constituter caused everyone in the world to instantly transport to Universe X and then back again at the Speed of Light. >>> We actually fell apart and back together again so fast nobody noticed. We're all pulling for you Joan. Thanks!

They were probably erased when their efforts failed, just like the matchbook, newspaper and fax was from Back to the Future.

So they never existed now

Same way they did when someone proved the earth was round... and when someone proved the earth was not the center of the universe... and when evolution was proposed... etc. etc. etc.

I really hope this happens in my lifetime although, better yet, if there were a way to completely disprove the god myth! I won't hold my breath that people would come to their senses should that happen.

lol its gonna be a good one :D

Mass suicide???

When all else fails... they can go with the classic: "That was just a test of our faith!" or... something like: "That's not real! Satan allowed them to discover that so it would trick us!"

Those zany, zany zealots!

^^ exactly...

come now, I don't personally believe in God but its not attractive to try to ruin people's faith.

>.< Science will never prove the non-existence of God. People create their own conclusions.