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Left-Wing Icon: America Is Still Headed Towards Fascism Under Obama

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Are liberals finally starting to understand the real enemy – the two party monopoly?


When left-wing icon Naomi Wolf warned that America was heading towards fascism under George W. Bush, characterized by illegal surveillance, arbitrary detention of suspects, and paramilitary martial law, she was lauded, but when she continued to issue the same warning as a result of Obama’s failure to reverse any of those policies, many on the left abandoned support for her.

However, as Wolf’s recent interview with leftist website Alternet makes plain, liberals may finally be starting to understand that both political parties in Washington are part of the problem, not the solution.

Alternet writer Justine Sharrock seems to be struggling to come to terms with the fact that Naomi Wolf’s rhetoric now very much echoes that of Alex Jones and many aspects of the Tea Party movement, an uncomfortable quandary for leftist media outlets, many of whom have acted as obedient echo chambers for the corporate media in demonizing grassroots populists as extremists and even domestic terrorists.

“She speaks their language, referring to the Founding Fathers and American Revolution as models, admitting to a profound sense of fear, warning of tyranny, fascism, Nazism and martial law. When Glenn Beck warns of these things we laugh. When Wolf draws those same connections, we listen. How can both sides be speaking the same language, yet see things so differently?” asks Sharrock.

The reason, as Wolf outlines, is the fact that Obama has preserved, institutionalized, and even expanded the very same policies that led to the left comparing George W. Bush to Hitler, a comparison which now, when made with Obama, is taboo, racist and an example of “fringe beliefs” according to the establishment media.

“Bush legalized torture, but Obama is legalizing impunity. He promised to roll stuff back, but he is institutionalizing these things forever. It is terrifying and the left doesn’t seem to recognize it,” responds Wolf, adding that making comparisons between Obama and historical dictators should not be off limits when he is following similar tyrannical policies.

“Obama has done things like Hitler did,” states Wolf. “Let me be very careful here. The National Socialists rounded people up and held them without trial, signed legislation that gave torture impunity, and spied on their citizens, just as Obama has. It isn’t a question of what has been done that Hitler did. It’s what does every dictator do, on the left or the right, that is being done here and now. The real fight isn’t left or right but between forces of democracy across the spectrum and the forces of tyranny.”

And that’s what the left-wing needs to understand if true freedom is ever going to be restored in America. As Wolf touches upon in the interview, the left is brilliant at going up against the tyranny of the state, but only when a Republican is in office. As soon as a Democrat gets in, liberals suddenly prostrate themselves in obedience and join the chorus in attacking any dissenters as radical-right wing extremists who should have their speech taken away, blissfully ignorant of the fact that those very same laws will then be used to silence their free speech when the oval office rotates back to a Republican once again.

Leftists are so prone to flip-flopping and becoming statists when a Democrat gets in office because they associate their own ego and political power with politicians, a foolish misjudgment in light of the fact that politicians stopped representing anything other than their own crooked interests decades ago. As Wolf emphasizes, “Frankly, liberals are out of the habit of communicating with anyone outside their own in cohort. We have a cultural problem with self-righteousness and elitism….We look down on people we don’t agree with. It doesn’t serve us well.”

“I was basically saying don’t sit around waiting for the two corrupted established parties to restore the Constitution or the Republic. The founding generation was birthed by the rabble of all walks of life that got fed up and did risky things because they were captivated by the breath of liberty. There is a looming oligarchy and it is up to the people to organize a grassroots movement and push back,” states Wolf, outlining why she shares many of the same principles embraced by the Tea Party, while warning that huge chunks of the movement have obviously been hijacked by Republican operatives.

Wolf, who admits that her “cultural heritage is FDR and Medicare and federal government solutions,” now expresses her support for the logic behind the states’ rights movement, a grassroots project mainly driven by libertarians and Ron Paul supporters.

“If you think through the analysis, strengthening state rights is a good corrective of the aggregation of an over-reaching federal power. Take California’s challenge of the Patriot Act or states like Vermont leading the way with addressing the corruption of the voting system. It’s a good example of the Tea Party thinking out of the box on how to address a problem,” states Wolf.

The interview ends with Wolf warning of the fact that concerns about martial law are now more prescient than ever.

“I think we have gone very far down that road. I met Muslim immigrants in Brooklyn who were swept up in 9-11 raids, held in abusive conditions, beaten, denied rights. That’s how things started in Germany. Guantanamo was modeled after what Stalin developed for the Gulag. Why are we engaged in psychological denial that it’s not a concentration camp? In terms of martial law, my god. Since the book came out they deployed a brigade in the U.S. and suspended the Posse Comitatus Act. There is no question that it’s something to take seriously. People have a histrionic view of what martial law will look like.”
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176 comments // Left-Wing Icon: America Is Still Headed Towards Fascism Under Obama

  • medHead
  • Walks_in_Storms
  • Monkey_Films
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      Monkey_Films  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      Walks, a lot of people will read your story with skepticism. I, however, having been through an eerily similar situation by another branch of government completely believe you. This is why I also went undercover and became an activist to put out the truth so people can wake up and together we can fix things. The place my story takes a turn, however, is that my diligence and undercover work are about to pay off. If I can lay low enough and survive until my case is filed, I have an unbeatable case and will most likely be made an offer prior to court so they can avoid the information coming out. Fingers crossed, when this happens I have some family and friends and a couple of web friends it seems that could use some money for a trip somewhere more 'free'. Sad to have to say that about the old Red, White and Blue, but it's true. Hey, I made a rhyme. Don't let me forget this, I am a modest man, at least in how I live, lol, and will have no need to keep my 'retribution' to myself. My goal is to make life better for those who deserve a break if, no, when I get the money.

    • 2 years ago
  • CaptB
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      CaptB  
    • Ummm, I recall people hanging on the Bush bandwagon until the final days. He brought our country down in a shambles with his ideas and lack of leadership at every level.

      So Hell Yes I am on the Obama bandwagon. He is intelligent and speaks English, unlike Bush. His ideas are fresh and new and he is trying to reach out across the aisle. The Republicans are like spoiled children and unwilling to compromise. Filling some silly lawsuit in 13 states. Good luck with that. I wonder how much money the re-thug-licans are going to waste on these frivolous lawsuits. Ironic that they are against filing frivolous lawsuits, but are about to set about spending millions on their own to prove a point. Their point? They are just pissed they lost the White House and are sore losers.

    • 2 years ago
  • Animal_Chin
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    • CaptB:

      His speeches are fresh. Other than that, he re-signed the Patriot Act (aka Treason Act), increased the war with over 150,000 soldiers, spent more money in 6 months then all other presidents combined with trillions in stimulus money given to the very corporations that are responsible for the economic crisis. Look around you, the Police State is growing like a cancer across the nation -- police don't even fight crime anymore, they have been reduced to mere extortionists hired to generate vast profits for the court system.

      The only thing Obama is doing better than Bush is reading off of the teleprompter. But that's okay, remain hypnotized by the left-right paradigm and you will be as blind to Obama as republicans were to Bush. Neither one of them are serving "We The People."

      If you really want to know what is going on, research the Bilderberg group.

    • 2 years ago
  • CaptB
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      CaptB  
    • Animal_Chin:

      You are mistaken about spending more than all other presidents combined. Reagan and Bush had our deficit up to 3 trillion, Clinton had it up to 5 trillion, and Bush had it up to 11.8 trillion or so. Bush started the $800 billion dollar bailout. He was president and signed it in to effect.

      The police do an awesome job and have a tough one at that. Sounds like you are some whack nut militia member that possibly dislikes govt.

      Uh oh, the bilderberg group? hahaha. Can you say illuminati, hahaha.

      The corporations are here to stay. We need to work with them by creating jobs, taxing them, and regulating them so they don't abuse the workers or the environment.

      To say that you want to just get rid of corporations and the govt altogether is unrealistic. We don't live in a utopia, but I am damn proud of America. If you don't like it move to Costa Rica with your buddy Rush. Or did he lie to us and recant, hahaha.

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  
    • to answer the question of the post -- nah the obamatrons on here still in denial, refusing to lose faith.
      Those that aren't in denial have taken to glorifying fascism.

    • 2 years ago
  • rickm8
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    • Everyone should read all of this, I've been trying to communicate it to many people for a long time. Different faces, same big government douche bags.

    • 2 years ago
  • Patanjali
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      Patanjali  
    • I agree with Wolf and I am a little disappointed with Obama. I had hoped that he would have taken quicker steps to dismantle the Bush legancy....Obama has done his best not to piss off the military...he kept Gates on as Secretary of Defense and he has continued the war policy of the United States, although our involvement in Iraq is tampering down, our involvement in Afganistan has increased, which is I guess exactly what he said he would do during the campaign. Maybe in his second term he will begin to dismantle the War Machine and start restoring our poltical rights to us. Certainly there is no better alternative.

    • 2 years ago
  • navider
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      navider  
    • Definition of Fascism from Webster Dictionary:

      Main Entry: fas·cism
      Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
      Function: noun
      Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
      Date: 1921
      1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

      2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

      This sounds more like what the Teabagers and the Republican party does.

      You scared Republican losers ( the sense of loosing elections) need to understand the words that you are throwing around.

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  
    • navider:

      you don't understand the words. attempting to cloud the issue with a non-threatening definition of fascism.
      This is only one of a thousand DIFFERENT definitions.
      Try looking into history and actually seeing fascism in action -- keep your dr zeuss dictionary out of it.

      The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems.

      Isn't this what YOU are doing with your nonsense comments about tea party goers --
      YOU are a fascist.

    • 2 years ago
  • Walks_in_Storms
  • Patanjali
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    • Walks_in_Storms:

      Mills was a classic liberal, in the tradition of Jefferson. Like Thoreau who said "that government is best which governs the least" (paraphrased). That being said, your assertion that it is immoral or illegal (unconstitutional?) for the government to take money from one person to give it to another is absurd. Governments are not moral or immoral - that is a concept for individuals. As to legality, to take money from one person or corporation to give to another is, my friend, the only purpose of government, whether the money is being taken to pay our troops their wage, or to pay my 87 year old father his social security check. There are ways for the matter to be done different, better, more efficient, more fairly: as an example, arguably my father who is wealthy man with hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in income does not need, and despite the fact that he paid into the system all his working life, should not receive a social security check.

      To summarize, the purpose of government is to provide for the common defense and the general welfare, and that is accomplished through the redistribution of wealth. If you cannot handle that concept then go live on your own private island. And maybe I will join you there for that beer, but wait, that beer will be taxed and the money redistributed -- guess you will have to home brew the beer.

    • 2 years ago
  • FoosMaster
  • Walks_in_Storms
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    • Walks_in_Storms:

      Sorry WiS, I do respect and many times support your views and am hurt that you responded to me in a seemingly angry way, I really don’t want to get you angry.
      The part I was mostly agreeing with was the part about those who get Social Security that do not need it. Call me a “Socialist” and maybe in Some ways I am, but I do believe that it Is the role of the government to look out for the welfare of the people and to protect the little man. Social programs Do work when used properly but many are raided by the wealthy and thus are harmed by Greed. Do we have some problems with our Social programs, Hell Yes. Do we need to do away with them because they are flawed, Hell No. The current political environment has me worried but I do believe that these things can be fixed if the politicians have the Balls to tackle the tough issues. Maybe I have too much faith in our system when I believe that we can fix these problems but that’s just me.

    • 2 years ago
  • Walks_in_Storms
  • FoosMaster
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    • Walks_in_Storms:

      I just don't look at it as C hurting B to give to A. I feel that if B has more power and uses that power to suppress A then C should step in to level the playing field. Greed Must be kept in check and sometimes A needs a little help. I think that an enlightened society should look out for the rights and needs of the small while also producing an environment that will allow the big to prosper, just not TOOO much. It is a Very Tough balancing act but one that needs to be used.

    • 2 years ago
  • CaptB
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    • Walks_in_Storms:

      Sometimes the "Elders" need to retire and let fresh minds and tolerance lead the next generation. To say your ideas are old are an understatement. I can quote many people to reflect what I want to as well. In fact, I can use the bible to justify slavery if I so choose. That doesn't make slavery right.

      Our government is going to continue to tax us and use the taxes in ways you do not like. Get used to it, vote on electing new officials and getting involved in the political process. Third party if you so choose.

      Just be thankful that the wealthy are not taxed 70% like they were in the days when you were growing up.

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      right on brother.
      I might add that those on here who advocate shutting certain people up, need to think about a future time when those in power are NOT your friends or your party.
      It is your OWN freedom of speech that you are trying to dismantle.

      keep this in mind before you go blindly to support "net neutrality" or other schemes that are coming down the pike from your beloved fascist leader and his band of misfits

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  
    • Patanjali:

      tripe! common defense and general wellfare has nothing to do with redistribution of wealth.
      You need to go back to your college and demand retribution for the brainwashing they gave you.

      btw -- classic liberal has nothing to do with the neomarxism that you push.

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  
    • CaptB:

      he needs to keep speaking truth to skulls full of mush.
      Our forefathers were old but genious -- they forsaw the day when nitwits would say that freedom was outdated and needed to be overthrown.
      Thank God we still have the original documents and know the original intent --- we will not give up.

    • 2 years ago
  • Patanjali
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      Patanjali  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      I had to look that wood up, erudite. Thanks for adding to my vocabulary. Because you are erudite and you have a wide knowledge gained from reading or learning you know then that the classical liberalism of Mill and Thoreau is today's conservatism....Anyway, my assertion that the concept of morality as a concept applied to individuals and not government is accurate, although individual action though the instrument of its application to society, government or religion or whatever, can be without question immoral. This is just a matter of semantics however. All those things you mentioned were immoral actions of individuals as applied though government.

      The second part of your denial, that the redistribution of wealth is not the primary function of government makes no sense. What then is the function of government? How does the government through the US Constitution fulfill its purpose of providing for the common defense and the general welfare? There is only one way the government, any government, can do so; by taxing one group of persons, or income bracket, or purchasers of a product, in order to spend that money on another person or group. We tax so that we can provide a military to defend ourselves, so that children are not left to starve on the streets, to build roads that only some people will drive on, to put out the fire at your house and to catch the criminal who ran you over in a hit and run. Without the ability to redistribute wealth government could not function. Perhaps that is what you hope for, anarchy, but even a moneyless society, like the Native American societies before the white man, had a tribute system in which tribal members paid a tribute in corn, food, furs, wampum, or other valuables, to the leaders in order that they may have the protection of the chiefs. Without the redistribution of wealth there can be no justice, no common facilities, no protection, and in the end no hope for mankind. The only question is how much, from whom and to whom. These questions, how government redistributes wealth, are the questions of politics.

    • 2 years ago
  • Patanjali
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      Patanjali  
    • montesooma:

      Providing for the common defense and the general welfare can only be paid for by taxing people, corporations, or businesses. All forms of taxation result in the redistribution of wealth, whether by paying the salary of the military man, or building a road, or paying for pol;ice protection. Government's can fulfill its function of providing for our common defense and providing for our general welfare ONLY by the redistribution of wealth.

    • 2 years ago
  • Walks_in_Storms
  • Walks_in_Storms
  • Patanjali
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      Patanjali  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      I Think you have probably mentioned it, but I do not remember what happened to you and how the IRS destroyed your life. I know there are abuses within government and in particular the IRS. I have had my own battles with the IRS. In the early 1980s my father felt he could eliminate his federal taxes by establishing offshore trusts in Belize. In the end the trusts were declared illegal and he had to pay back hundred of thousands in back taxes and penalties. In the early 1990s he tried another type of trust and again lost his battle with the IRS. This time he was convicted on a criminal complaint for tax evasion. He served no time in federal prison (five years probation) but again had to pay taxes, penalties, and this time also a large fine. In both cases I was a trustee of the trusts and a beneficiary of the attempt to avoid taxes. In both cases I was investigated and although I also had to pay back taxes and penalties no criminal charges were filed against me, my brother, or my mother, as the IRS concluded that my father was the "mastermind" behind the tax evasion "conspiracy".

      You know that I am a retired lawyer, so let me analyze this issue like a lawyer: When I walked into the US Attorney's office in 1993 to answer their summons I probably would have been indicted if I had had an attitude of defiance. Instead I played dumb, "I was just a trustee, this was my father's money and his business and I had no knowledge of what he was doing." I often signed documents without reading them and this despite the fact that I was a lawyer. In the end the US Attorney believed that neither me, nor my brother or mother had any control over how my father managed his money and the trusts. I got lucky, the US Attorney showed some compassion, and I avoided being disbarred for tax evasion.

      Our tax code is just a set of rules. If I play by the rules then I will have no conflict with the IRS, and although I may resent the payment of the taxes, the IRS can do no more than collect what the rules say they can collect. You must have had a conflict with the IRS which was the result of not playing by the rules. Now you are resentful and bitter towards the IRS and government in general. For that I am sorry and I understand where your hatred of government comes from. For me I have no hatred of government, nor of taxes. I may disagree with who and how and what is taxed, but taxes are a necessary part of modern life.

    • 2 years ago
  • CaptB
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      CaptB  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      Your supposition is that with age you gain more intelligence. I disagree with you. There are minds in Harvard, Duke, Yale, Princeton, and many other colleges that have higher IQ's than I do, and are much younger than I am. As I get older I have lived longer, but that doesn't make my ideas more intelligent than EVERYONE that is younger than I am. So your logic follows you are more intelligent than everyone that you are older than? Maybe in the Incan civilization or ancient cultures. Not so much anymore...elder. Your ideas are the same as Strong Thurmans and out of touch. Times have changed, the Iphone and the internet rules the world. Microwaves and Facebook rule in our culture. Right or wrong, get used to it. Your anti-feminism beliefs are as old as a Model-T Ford. Although, historic and appreciated, we don't use Model-T's any longer.

      Time to get on board with tolerance and treating women equally. Pay your taxes, and stop breaking the law. The law is in place for a reason. Federal law trumps all others, so get on board.

    • 2 years ago
  • CaptB
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      CaptB  
    • montesooma:

      If you are saying he is a genius related to his age, and you agree with anti-feminism and anti-taxation, then I have to strongly disagree with you. What age do you consider old (touchy subject for some, hahaha).

      Thomas Jefferson was about 33 or so when he drafted the declaration of independence. Do you consider 33 to be old? Thomas Jefferson was the primary author, and considered by many scholars (educated people) as one of the greatest presidents we have ever had. Even though he died broke and in debt as an alcoholic. Loved wine, and loved other peoples wine more, hahaha.

      I am just saying that age, both young and old have great ideas that help our nation. You should not discredit everyone's ideas that do not mirror yours based on age, income, race, creed, or specific institution they go to college. Even though I am very proud of the colleges I have attended, hahaha. My colleges are more prestigious than yours. hahaha.

      We are primarily Americans on this site and proud to be Americans. At least I am proud to be an American. We can agree on appreciating our founding fathers.

      We do have different beliefs now, and have to somehow come together at the bargaining table and come to some rationale agreement on how to run the country. Right now my party is running things based on the country backlashing against the republicans after Bush's ruining our country. Rated as the third worst president of all time according to historians (educated people).

    • 2 years ago
  • Walks_in_Storms
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  • CaptB
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      CaptB  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      I make more than the average American and I get taxed quite a bit. However, I am happy to pay my fair share to help America prosper. However, you did work for 50 years, so by sheer number of years you may be right. You are now making social security, which we pay for as a nation. You also paid during your many years of being taxed. You gladly accept what the govt gives you. As many conservatives often accept. If anyone would take that away and try to reduce the govt the tea baggers would also be up in arms. There is no making a tea bagger happy, no amount of tea or level of taxation will satiate them.

      So you had to go to court for your cover up, hahaha. It is virtually impossible to fight the big govt. Microsoft tried and lost, well, at least they had to compromise with the federal govt. If you went to court and you were found innocent then your life was only inconvenienced.

      My mother works for the department of the treasury and is in a role similar to what Elliot Ness did, go after criminals that don't pay taxes and earn their money through drugs or other nefarious activity. Obviously you don't fit into this category. I do support the IRS and the honorable work they do.

      Do I think that all our tax money is used wisely? Hell No (I hate to use that after Palin has copyrighted it, haha). At least not for all that we get for our money. We do need more fiscal responsibility. But we still need taxes.

      Tax'em and then Wax'em.

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
  • CaptB
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      CaptB  
    • montesooma:

      I work with over 90% republicans and Tea Baggers. I talk about this stuff daily and you guys are TAME in comparison. I just hope that I can impart enough rhetoric to other progressives and learn their ideas to be the best little Democrat and liberal I can be, hahaha. Plus, it is good to hear all the ideas.

      If you can't survive the playground bullies how are you going to survive in life.

    • 2 years ago
  • Walks_in_Storms
  • Patanjali
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    • Walks_in_Storms:

      I guess each one of us is the product of our life's experiences. You have fought some hard battles and have been the victim of some terrible crimes. I am sorry for that. I have NEVER been the victim of a violent crime, and although I have had employees and strangers steal from me, the opportunity for them to steal was created by me, for not locking my door at night or trusting too much.

      This is going to make you mad Walks_in_stroms because you have a "victim mentality". I have written it before in these blogs, but I believe we each get exactly what we create, project, or expect. When I walk into a restaurant or store I expect to be given good service and be treated with respect, and that is what I get. Another person who walks into the same restaurant or store and is waited on by the same waitress or salesperson expects to receive bad service and be treated with disrespect, and that is what he gets. You can call it naive, but I expect the best from whoever I meet and as a consequence I tend to draw that out of them. I know that there are random acts of violence that occur in life and perhaps I have just been lucky to have avoided them, but I do not expect to be the victim of a violent crime and I avoid obviously unsafe situations. You expect to be screwed by each government employee or person (attorney) you have met and that is what you received. I expect to receive good honest service and communication from each government employee, lawyer or person I have interacted with, and that is mostly what I have received. I see the IRS agents I have dealt with as just men, trying to support their families and do their jobs the best that they can, and that is what I have encountered.

      I have made many mistakes in my life, I have committed malpractice quite a few times in representing 9,000 clients over 31 years, but with two exceptions I was able to talk to my client, apoligize, connect with them emotionally, and they have not sued. The two exceptions were people with victim mentalities, judgmental people who could not possibly forgive and understand a mistake because it was not part of their personality. I tried to avoid those types of people, often refusing to represent them no matter how much money they laid on my desk. The ones who were injured and I was able to communicate with understood that a mistake was made and that I did not make that mistake on purpose. Together we did what we could to right the mistake and if they suffered damages I made it right. This is living a life of intregity, being a man, and refusing to be a victim.

      Ther is no way that anything I write will change your life. So all I can do is bless you and love you, and hope that you will someday find peace and contentment...as I have.

    • 2 years ago
  • CaptB
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    • Walks_in_Storms:

      So you DO ADMIT to being a tax protester? I knew it, hahaha. Just kidding.

      The constitution does not talk about everything we do today. We have definitely changed and contorted our country to what it is today. Amendments and laws have instituted new ideas.

      Now, I have to admit, there are many things I do not think we need to spend our tax dollars on. I am a blue dog that thinks we need to really curtail our spending. I did like what Clinton did with balancing the budget. I know many people were not happy that he cut the military and NSA.

      If you look at the budget and look at Social Security and Medicare it eats up over 50% of the budget and the military takes up 28% of the budget. I think we need to cut Social Security at some point because at some point the baby boomers will bankrupt the system. They paid into it and deserves it. We just need to cut it at some point. The money we give to Israel and other nations to drive our economic interest needs to be cut. We spend $784 billion on the military adn we need to cut that down to lets say $500 billion? Do we really need to be able to take over all of Europe, Southwest Asia, and portions of Africa?

      I also think we need to tax the ultra-wealthy (millionaires) at pre-Reagan era levels of 70% taxes and monitor the loopholes that the companies manipulate.

      I know these are crazy ideas and will draw much ire. I think that healthcare reform is necessary. We are going to go bankrupt by 2017 otherwise. We spend over $140 billion on the military healthcare alone, not including the civilian sector. That is not included in the $784 billion otherwise. We need to do something about health-care. My views are very conservative, similar to what Germany is doing currently. We spend far to much on the newborn and elderly (90 years +) and I didn't mean that as a slight towards anyone that is mature. We are a christian country according to the polls and census. Should a 100 year old grandmother be placed in ICU for the rest of her life at over a million dollars a year?

      No easy answers. No right answers. My party just happens to be in power at the moment and I obviously agree with the liberals, as you have noted on a few of my posts. How can we come together at the table and find some moderate agreement though is the question. Are the conservatives willing to agree about anything is the question?

    • 2 years ago
  • Walks_in_Storms
  • Patanjali
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      Patanjali  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      First, bad things do happen to good people, and I don't mean to imply that they don't, but bad things also happen to people who set themselves up for taking the fall. If you don't pay your taxes you will get prosecuted for tax evasion and incurred interest, penalties and perhaps a criminal record. Unlike family law, in which the judge has a great deal of discretion to award custody to one parent of the other, the tax code, although complicated and convoluted, is clearly defined and a tax judge has no discretion but to follow the law. If he does not his decision will be overturned on appeal. If you were persecuted or prosecuted by the IRS, it was because you did not pay your taxes. By the tone and sentiment of your writings I assume this is what happened and you did not pay your taxes; then, when they came after you your response was one of resistence, rather than just hiring a good tax attorney and making the best deal that you could, and then following that agreement. Yes, I do believe that your problems with the IRS were totally of your own creation, (as were mine) unlike getting hit by a car, or robbed, or beaten up, which has an element of chance within it.

      Second, bad things happen to good people, but it is how the victim responds to the crime or accident that determines whether or not he continues to be a victim. A "victim mentality" is a state of mind, not the occurence of an event. "Problems assault us to the degree they preoccupy us. The key to release, rest, and inner freedom is not the elimination of all external difficulties, it is letting go of our pattern of reaction to those difficulties." --Hugh Prather in "The Art of Letting Go." When I am on my cross of crucifixion if I can look my tormentors in the eye and say, "I forgive you", then I am no longer their victim. If I can give up my need to be right, to control, and to judge, then I will "become like a little child" as Jesus advised us to do, and I will live a life filled with love and peace. Our thoughts and emotions attract similiar thoughts and emotions. You will be a victim for as long as you continue to think and feel the way that you think and feel. Sorry, but that is just the way it is. The good news is that you have total control over your thoughts and emotions. Tomorrow, (just try this one day please), bless and love each person you see and each person or situtation you think about. I promise that in time you will heal yourselve of all feelings of victimization.

    • 2 years ago
  • Walks_in_Storms
  • Patanjali
    • +1
      Patanjali  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      Well....You should either sue someone and make millions....or write a book (I would use a ghostwriter) and make millions. Your history, as you report it, is certainly not indicative of the norm.

      That does not change the fact that having a "victim mentality" is a state of mind, and not the result of what has happened to you. Suffering has nothing to do with events, but with your reaction to events. You control how you react to whatever happens to you. The pain of worldly events can be changed by simply changing your perception of them. Only when you say "I did this" do you have the power to change it.

    • 2 years ago
  • treewolf39
  • Walks_in_Storms
  • treewolf39
    • 0
      treewolf39  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      I speak only for myself in taking total responsibility for all that befalls me. We make choices every moment weather we admit to them or not. Just life? A path of choices I am choosing.

      I would never presume enough knowledge to comment on your life sir. You are an asset to human race and I thank you for taking the time to engage in active and passionate discourse about your views and beliefs.

    • 2 years ago
  • Patanjali
    • 0
      Patanjali  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      Let me tell you the story of two boys: one jumped into a lake and broke his neck on a rock. He was paralyzed from the neck down. In visiting this boy I looked into his eyes and saw only deadness, he had given up on life and lived a few years in depression and misery. There was no counseling I could offer him which was not rejected. The other boy jumped into a swimming pool and also broke his neck. When I visited him he had a positive attitude. Eventually, after his rehabilitation, he was visiting other victims of severe accidents. He brought hope to others and lived a full life. The only difference between these boys was their attitude. One remained a victim and died a victim while the other refused to remain a victim and lived a life of purpose.

    • 2 years ago
  • Walks_in_Storms
  • Patanjali
    • 0
      Patanjali  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      I am absolutely not interested in rhetorical defeats or victories, or rhetorical evasions and equivocations. I am not trying to prove that I am right in my beliefs or that you are wrong and I never said that I did not believe your story. I no longer have an ego investment in being right or wrong. I only said that you have a choice, whether to remain a victim of your past or rise above it to a new life. So the answer to your question of which boy has recovered more times than you is simple, because you have never recovered. You still are the victim of your boyhood sickness and your abandonment by your parents. Time to move on. If you tell your story with a lesson of hope for the future you will move people and become a teacher, an effective rhetorician; otherwise people are going to tune you out.

    • 2 years ago
  • Walks_in_Storms
  • Patanjali
    • 0
      Patanjali  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      http://change.an

      I do believe you are right when you labeled me an "idealist", as defined by Webster as one who believes in "a theory that ultimate reality lies in the realm transcending phenomena" or "a theory that the essential nature of reality lies in consciousness or reason". I believe in the essential goodness of people and that all the bad stuff that they do is out of character, a mental disease, not of their essential nature. Now, I know that there has been acts of terrible cruelty and violence in the world and people like Hitler, Stalin and Columbus (and their supporters and followers) have committed acts of genocide and racial or ethinic violence, and it is difficult for me to see any essential goodness in folks like these....but I see these individuals as individuals who were mentally corrupted by "ideology, religion, or isms", and even with the most despictable person I believe in redemption, and the ability to change. I guess I see your IRS persecutors in the same light, not as essentially bad people but as good people who got caught up in some mentally defective game of pursuit.

      An ideology is, again according to Webster, "a systematic body of concepts, especially about human life or culture" and as such an idealist has an ideology but so does a realist, defined as one who has "a preocupation with fact or reality and rejection of the impractical or visionary", or a cynic, defined as one who "believes that human conduct is motivated solely by self interest". I believe it is inherently inaccurate to label someone an "idealist" or a "realist" or a "cynic" or whatever because humans are usualy more complex than that. There are times when I approach life from an idealistic perspective but there are times when I do so from a realistic or cynical perspective....and so at different times I could be labeled an idealist or a realist....

      With respect to fundamental beliefs or spiritual beliefs: I do believe that we choose our life, we choose the lessons that we need to learn in this lifetime, that we live multiple lives, and that when our bodies die our souls go into a period of rest before deciding to again experience life on a physical level. Consequently the bad stuff that has happened to us in this life was chosen by us to happen, not only on a soul level, but also on the physical plane, for "that which I condemn will condemn me and that which I judge I will one day become", in this life or the next. I believe that the purpose of life on the physical plane is to create our experiences, and thus create ourselves, in the glorious moment of now. I believe we do this with every thought, word or deed; and that every thought, word or deed is creative in nature. We select the persons, places, and events--the conditions and circumstances, the challenges and opportunities -- therefore it is important that we bless every person and give thanks for the opportunity to learn the lessons of life.

      So where do you go from here? "Enlightenment is understanding that there is no where to go, nothing to do, and nobody you have to be, except exactly who you are being right now." Just live your life Walks, try to be happy, forgive those who have harmed you, forgive yourself, find a good lover if you do not already have one, make friends, celebrate the fact that you are still alive, give thanks, and bless the wind and the sun.

    • 2 years ago
  • Walks_in_Storms
  • Patanjali
    • 0
      Patanjali  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      I do not intend to be condescending. I assume we write for a wider readership than just you and I, perhaps hundreds of others, and the definitions were provided for them, and to frame the argument. Once again I had to look up a word that you used, and my ego is not so big that I cannot admit that I had to do so...but I do not understand the use of the word supercilious which means "exhaust valve" "cylinder" crankshaft, etc....

      It sounds like you are well educated in language skills, and although I have three college degrees and 58 years of life's lessons, I have never enjoyed the study of language....I took some French in high school, but frankly can read and speak only English.....

      I do not detest your life view. I just believe it to be a sad way to live, always in conflict, always in struggle, never at peace. I too would give my life to the cause of liberty, but I fear that the elimination of government would only take away my liberty. I recognize the necessity of a tax code and a tax collector....it must be done fairly and honorably and in accordance with well defined rules, and it should be progressive in the sense that the rich pay a higher rate than the poor, but taxes are a necessary component of government, and government is a necessary component of modern life. So I pay the taxes that I am obligated to pay, and I have no trouble with the tax man.

    • 2 years ago
  • Walks_in_Storms
  • Patanjali
    • 0
      Patanjali  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      Actually, every time you post a blog I have to look up two or three new words that I have never heard before. So I thank you for adding to my vocabulary. So yes I did look up erudite, psittacine, supercilious and other words you have used, and in going back to the dictionary I see that supercilious can also mean "haughtily contemptuous" which is, I assume, the meaning you intended. So I don't mind having to look up words from you blog entries, although the use of precise language does not add to the validity of the argument or change the facts. At times it can add nothing more than confusion to the issues, issues which impact "dumbed down" Americans as much, if not more, than Americans with a large vocabulary.

      When I was a child I suffered from a learning disability that continues to this day. I do not have the ability to phonically determine how to speak a word. I learned how to speak not from the understanding of phonics, but from imitation and memory. So when I see a word like supercilious I really have no idea how to pronounce it, other than I can from memory figure out the first half and pronounce "super". So this was something that I always struggled with. In the first grade my teacher had no idea how to understand my language and had to wait for my mother to arrive, who was delayed becasue of a flat tire, to understand even my name. I took phonic classes throughout grade school. Because I cannot understand phonics, I also had a difficult time with spelling and could not spell a word unless it had been memorized, I could not spell it phonically. The misspelled words in my blogs are actually not typing errors but my best attempt at the word. (For some reason I do not have a spell checker when writting on this blog---and thank god for spell check, I use it a lot) So even today I have what most people believe to be an accent, which is actually a speach impediment. I try to keep my vocabulary simple because if speaking I have no idea how to pronounce a new word until I have heard someone else speak it, and if writing I have no idea how to spell it. It was actually my high school English teacher and the debate coach who talked me into joining his debate team and first encouraged me to go to law school. He felt that debating on his team was the most difficult thing I could do and therefore what I needed to do, and he was right. Because my BA and MA were obtained in history and neither this discipline nor my law school education emphasize vocabulary (in the manner that an English education would) the obtainment of a large vocabulary was never a priority for me. This learning disability was also the reason I could not master a foreign language. Although I got straight A's in high school French it was only becasue I was good at memorizing.

      There is one thing that I have noticed when you have responded to one of my entries and that is that you are always critical. You assume the worse. You believe me to be condescending when I have no intention of putting you down, you attack my education or knowledge not knowing my background. I believe you see the worse in people and you ignor the good and perhaps this is because of your history...so I certainly understand. My own blinders are focused in the opposite direction. I tend to see only the good and I ignor the bad, or I believe the bad to be just an aberration. As an example you use the word pacifist as if it was a bad thing to be a pacifist. A pacifist in the tradition of Ghandhi has more moral courage than any of the sheep who blindly follow their leader into battle. And yes, I am a philosophical pacifist and I do my best to live this lifestyle daily, although not always successfully. There are times when I have murderous or violent thoughts and to be truely a pacifist even the thoughts must be non violent. I do believe that violence only produces more violence and that the current two wars that America is fighting are wrong. I recognize the neccesity of violence at times, certainly the arrest of the criminal can be a violent matter, or the removal of a dictator from power, and these semmingly necessary violent acts create some conflicts within my pure pacifistic doctrine.

      I would like to see if you can respond to what I just wrote in a positive, uplifting, complementory manner...Can you do that?

    • 2 years ago
  • Walks_in_Storms
  • Patanjali
    • 0
      Patanjali  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      Well...I only had to look up 6 words and one historical person, de rigueur, umbrage, upbraid, lexicon, malaprop, solecism, and Desmond Dosses....Thank you for the opportunity to expand my vocabulary (and my knowledge of history) once again. Please do not resort to foreign languages in these blogs as I do not have even one of the seven that I would need to fully reply. I could not locate a definition for de rigueur and I assume it is not English.

      I certainly did not expect you to complement the IRS or any of your other persecutors. I was only hoping for perhaps a personal uplifting statement, somethink kind or considerate and not critical...not for my benefit as I certainly do not need the praise, but for your own benefit as it was once said that you reap what you sow, or to put it in "new age" terms your beliefs and thoughts create your reality.

      In re-reading my last entry my statement "Can you do that." was certainly capable of being interpreted in a condenscending manner, rather than a nurturing manner as it was intended. I apologize for any perceived criticism.

      Pacifists that actively prusue a public life and try to change society do seem to die violent deaths. Paul Harvey's "The rest of the story" would include the fact that these pacifists lived in and tried to change very violent societies or governments. Did Gandhi stop the violence in India, or did he just obtain India's independence and with his death throw the country into a civil war of Hindu verses Moslem. Did Jesus' death stop the violence against those who opposed Roman rule? Obviously not, yet we (maybe not you) but most in society honor and respect the men of peace, the pacifists. Was violence necessary for Gandhi or Jesus or King to be able to give their messages of hope and peace? Certainly violence neccesitated their presence, but violence did not "protect and perserve" them.

      I find it incredible and very sad that anyone can be criticle of the pacifist, even the ones that are just trying to be pacifists and not being very successful. "Violence that ends the violence ends violence" may have some temporary validity when confronted with a home evasion and you are able to shoot the criminal...and the assassination of Hitler by a member of his inner circle may have prevented or reduced the violence against the Jews, but on a level above the immediately apparant personal, when history is researched, and also on the soul level, it is absolutely not true. You said once in an entry a month or two ago that you refuse to blog about religion or spirituality and I can understand the reluctance as it is nearly impossible to make a point without running into the illogical "it's my faith" argument which is impossible to counter on a rational level, so I will just say without expecting a reply that it is a fundamental principle of Spirituality that every action, word, thought, idea, or feeling is creative...The laws of the Universe make it possible for us to create exactly what we choose. We cannot not follow the law. It is the way things work.

      I will be on the road this weekend so will not respond to any response until Monday. Have a good weekend.

    • 2 years ago
  • Fourfingaz
  • JonRaymond
  • Monkey_Films
    • +1
      Monkey_Films  
    • JonRaymond:

      The Green party is a political party right? So, if our country is being economically crashed in order to further move us towards a police state all political parties should be concerned. That wasn't too much of a stretch for you was it. Oh, and BTW, I'm currently looking at 775 views so I don't think the story needed any help, but thanks for your concern.

    • 2 years ago
  • ocanada
    • 0
      ocanada  
    • This is an incredibly pointless and uncivil thread. Did anyone expect stimulating conversation with a headline that read Left Wing and Fascist in the same sentence. This isn't news so much as it is some rhetorical field of combat. It's just ridiculous. The bastion for democracy is the ballot box. With folks like this on both sides it's amazing we haven't been swept away into a theocracy or an Eastern Block state.

    • 2 years ago
  • crispyfritters
  • dwb2585
    • +6
      dwb2585  
    • We need to stop Dividing ourselves!!! United We STAND!!!

      It's crazy how the American public has been split into TWO somewhat equal parts by the Media alone. With all of our diverse cultures; with all our diverse characteristics, how can we be split into just Two parts: left/right; republican/democrat. One part [1/2 of US] will always be "wrong." This is NOT how we progress; this is how we FALL.

    • 2 years ago
  • Fourfingaz
    • 0
      Fourfingaz  
    • dwb2585:

      lets start with both parties agreeing on getting jobs Back in this country. Re open manufacturing....Its Really that simple. The companys that want to send work outside the country, Tax the living Fucking hell outta them till they leave or actually care about there fellow citizens.

    • 2 years ago
  • dwb2585
  • Fourfingaz
  • ocanada
    • +1
      ocanada  
    • Fourfingaz:

      But it isn't as simple as partisanship. If one party stands in opposition with the will of the American people on popular issues, than the other side should be made to defend a stance that is contrary to the popular opinion. The media should not then pretend apples are oranges or hyperpartisanship is Democrats agreeing to republican proposals and then moving the goalposts once they've gotten what they want. I mean is anything the republican say at this point interesting? You know what they are going to say and do. If the president is talking they will be saying something disparaging about his comments. If the president has signaled his support on a bill in the congress he didn't propose they shift their support against it even if they are cosponsors of the bill as they did on paygo. It doesn't get reported. It's blatantly obvious political maneuvering against the common good against proposals even they believe in and they are allowed to hide behind a shield of partisanship as if it isn't them he's behaving in a partisan manner because the public buys loud shouty voices and assumes the loud person is the one with the right argument. The G.O.P. is getting away with murder and you know it.

    • 2 years ago
  • Fourfingaz
    • +1
      Fourfingaz  
    • ocanada:

      I do know it. The Gallant ol Party is getting away with murder and I do Believe the Word Gallant should no longer be Used to Express them. It Doesn't take much Courage to Buy Someones Vote.Especially With Blood Money handed down from Generation to Generation. In these times its gonna come down to this.... The Rich Against the Poor and I know for a Fact the Poor out Weigh the Rich.
      If you are a True Republican and Are reading this... Please Tell me What you are Really trying to conserve cause if you ask me... You are Stealing from the Poor and feeding the Rich. You Respect hard Work When you are doing it, But Will never pay another the money they deserve to do it for you. You claim to be the "Christian" Party. But Would Jesus leave people in the Streets to Die??? Please Help me See your View cause its Like Staring into the Fog.

    • 2 years ago
  • thedirtman
    • +4
      thedirtman  
    • Sorry Naomi, I'm not impressed.

      Barack Obama could not ever turn the ship around on a dime. As a public leader the best he can do is to turn the rudder. If he seems as a marionette I will not be surprised. The people holding the strings are the same people holding George W. Bush's strings.

      America will only recover when the multi-national corporations (MNCs) want it to recover, that is, if Barack Obama walks a thin line, and the MNCs are impressed. If the MNCs don't get their way they have no problem if unemployment is 40 percent in America. They can move to China or India or Dubai if they haven't already.

      We could also say any number of good things about the tea-party. Maybe revolution is the only way to restore democracy. But conservative bankers, who really know banking, are banking that it will restore the Republicans to power. It would likely take violent revolution to collapse the corporate stranglehold (Ted Nugent take note), and do we really want that? America is not ready for that.

    • 2 years ago
  • toyotabedzrock
    • +1
      toyotabedzrock  
    • Everyone needs to ask themselves a few questions.
      1. Has Obama implemented more Bush like policies?
      2. If you vote for anyone but your local Dem. who is likely to get elected? And what policies will they support?
      3. Do you think your local Rep. isn't going to take advantage of your doubts to further limit your freedom?

      Heres the point, If you want freedom you have to get and keep some people with moderate views in office they might not do things fast down but its better then reversing our freedom. One way to make them move faster is to make it clear at the polls that they are well supported.

      Remember our government was designed to move slowly so that neither side could cause irreparable damage to the country.

    • 2 years ago
  • bking74
  • Monkey_Films
    • 0
      Monkey_Films  
    • bking74:

      Exactly, as I've said since one month after I voted for him, NOTHING HAS CHANGED! For a Democrat to support this man is for a Democrat to support Bush's policies and I find it funny that so many vehemently support the exact same administration that they once bashed just because a black man is currently in charge.

      Who is truly being the racist; those that don't support the continued move towards fascism and air their disagreement or those who support policies they didn't used to just because a black man is calling the shots?

    • 2 years ago
  • Cynic2
  • unimatrix0
    • +1
      unimatrix0  
    • Prison Planet is not a credible source - if Naomi Wolfe is now echoing Alex Jones than she is off the rails and no longer credible.

      Monkey-Films if you really want to be taken seriously don't post stuff from Prison Planet. Prison Planet is the lunatic fringe.

      For good or bad, the left wing firmly supports Obama.

    • 2 years ago
  • Monkey_Films
    • -1
      Monkey_Films  
    • Image
    • unimatrix0:

      unimatrix0, again too ready to jump to conclusions. This isn't actually from Prison Planet and if you'd read through it you'd see Prison Planet got this from Alternet. Alternet is a COMPLETELY left leaning news site. Argument Fail this time but bliss is nice. Oh, and for your convenience here is a link to the Alternet article where Prison Planet got their information from. Disowning a highly intelligent woman for telling the truth about someone you worship is not recommended for adding the daily recommended dosage of brain cells to your diet. Just having fun with you.

      http://www.alternet.org/story/146184/?page=entire

    • 2 years ago
  • unimatrix0
    • -1
      unimatrix0  
    • Monkey_Films:

      The link is from prison planet. Why deny it? You only appear foolish, and further loose credibility.

      You claim: "This isn't actually from Prison Planet"; your statement is false. The link is from Prison Planet. Words matter. Your intellectual incompetence is apparent with everything you write.

      PWNed

    • 2 years ago
  • navider
    • 0
      navider  
    • Monkey_Films:

      Definition of Fascism from Webster Dictionary:

      Main Entry: fas·cism
      Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
      Function: noun
      Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
      Date: 1921
      1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

      2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

      This sounds more like what the Teabagers and the Republican party does.

      You scared Republican losers ( the sense of loosing elections) need to understand the words that you are throwing around.

    • 2 years ago
  • Monkey_Films
    • +1
      Monkey_Films  
    • unimatrix0:

      Again, if you read the Prison Planet article you will see a highlighted part of the writing. This is a hyperlink. Use your mouse or that large head of your and click on the hyperlink. What you will have is the original article from alternet, again a Progressive news site. You're anticipation in attacking me always leads to a fail but this was your most irresponsible fail so I grant you an EPIC FAIL. BTW, at the bottom of my last post I conveniently posted a link to the location that the hyperlink takes you to. Please relax, breathe deep and don't be too embarrassed. A lot of people try to attack me and fail so you're in good company.

    • 2 years ago
  • Andrew_Douglas
  • Andrew_Douglas
  • bking74
    • -2
      bking74  
    • The Late, Great Ronald Reagan deserves to carved into the face of Mount Rushmore, be placed on the $100 bill, and his birthday should be a Federal Holiday.

    • 2 years ago
  • Reaper26
    • +4
      Reaper26  
    • bking74:

      screw Regan that man was as dirty as the rest i would say carve Eisenhower there instead a real hero not some actor who played one. please no one point oh he gave that speech it was gonna come regardless.

    • 2 years ago
  • bking74
    • +2
      bking74  
    • Reaper26:

      Actually, I was being sarcastic...Eisenhower is a great idea. I can't stand Reagan because of his attempted destructions of U.S Labor Unions, his illegal proxy wars in South and Central America and his initial support of Saddam and Iraq. Arming a regime that would two decades later cause the deaths of some of my closest friends and opening the door to the complete take-over by Military Industrial Corporations and starting the practice of using my Military as the enforcement arm for Private Enterprise. Also, I remember being a children and having my first knowledge and fear of nuclear destruction under the Reagan Administration. Still after High School, I raced to Recruitment Office....so whose the shithead after all?

    • 2 years ago
  • JonRaymond
  • JonRaymond
  • bking74
    • +2
      bking74  
    • JonRaymond:

      With 9% national unemployment, 45,000 dying every year for lack of health care, massive debt, epic waves of foreclosures. Left wing and Right wing politics getting brutal. Fcuk, a career in the U.S. Military seems the safest and most logical employment option out there. Plus we get to shoot people.

    • 2 years ago
  • Davidod
    • 0
      Davidod  
    • JonRaymond:

      Military members don't serve administrations, they serve the democratic system of government that appoints it's leaders via the voting process.

      Since BO is the duly-elected winner of the last election, and currently IS POTUS, members uphold and defend the Constitution.

      That's why all this talk of "taking back the gov't from the socialists via revolution" is utter sedition: Americans VOTED BO into office, and he IS the leader that a democratic society chose. Anyone threatening to "take back" the country via force is a traitor, talking treason.

    • 2 years ago
  • Reaper26
    • 0
      Reaper26  
    • bking74:

      also some vets do blame him for exposing desert one op and not being too helpful with grenada. gotta love republicans they scream support our troops but dont lift a finger to help.

    • 2 years ago
  • Reaper26
  • navider
    • +1
      navider  
    • Monkey Films is like regans monkey.............................. which is probably more intelegent than Ragan. Just because regan made the rich richer and the middle class pooerer doesnt mean he was a success.

      Repeal the Regan tax cuts and let america prosper again!!!

    • 2 years ago
  • Monkey_Films
    • -2
      Monkey_Films  
    • navider:

      Uh, duoy, I'm a researcher, genius, so I research, I put out the points and the facts. Then, I try to learn from the comments and responses. Most of them, hopefully, well thought out and researched so I can learn more. Guess what my empty cranium friend, I voted for Obama, I'm not left or right, just thought his 'promises' sounded good. I however, RESEARCH, and he's broken all his promises and taken a 180 degree turn into fascism. Pull your brain out of your boyfriend's bum and do some RESEARCH! Americans are getting dumber and dumber, I almost am starting to wish for a few less of you. GAG me, Navider. Exercise your brain more and give Carrot Top's biceps a break for a little bit, huh, you think, maybe?

    • 2 years ago
  • Almibry
  • JonRaymond
  • Monkey_Films
    • 0
      Monkey_Films  
    • JonRaymond:

      Just go to my profile, this site conveniently stores information, links, videos, and posts where I have consistently posted information to fulfill the partisan challenged people of America. I could go back and get piles of links and times that I've proven my point but then I'd be doing the work and just getting smarter. The ultimate usefulness of this site can be greatly increased by doing the checking for oneself. The goal is for me to share the wealth and hopefully enlighten others who have a mental block of some kind. In America. The most common being partisan politics or membership in the military. Either of those types of programming are extremely hard to bypass and for some, sadly, all of my work is for nigh.

    • 2 years ago
  • navider
  • UtopianSky
    • +1
      UtopianSky  
    • Monkey_Films:

      "Fascism". Another buzzword used by nutjobs who have no idea what fascism IS.

      As long as you keep standing on the extremes, no one with any common sense will pay attention to you.

      Join the rest of us in the real world, where we actually know what words mean.

    • 2 years ago
  • Davidod
    • 0
      Davidod  
    • Monkey_Films:

      I'm guessing this monkey never served a day of HIS life in the military. I know you think military service means a person is unable to think for themselves, but let me reassure you, you're carrying a bigotry that isn't supported by anything (except your own bigotry).

    • 2 years ago
  • Davidod
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    • UtopianSky:

      Definition of Fascism from Webster Dictionary:

      Main Entry: fas·cism
      Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
      Function: noun
      Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
      Date: 1921
      1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

      2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

      This sounds more like what the Teabagers and the Republican party does.

      You scared Republican losers ( the sense of loosing elections) need to understand the words that you are throwing around.

    • 2 years ago
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    • Monkey_Films:

      Definition of Fascism from Webster Dictionary:

      Main Entry: fas·cism
      Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
      Function: noun
      Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
      Date: 1921
      1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

      2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

      This sounds more like what the Teabagers and the Republican party does.

      You scared Republican losers ( the sense of loosing elections) need to understand the words that you are throwing around.

    • 2 years ago
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    • Monkey_Films:

      Definition of Fascism from Webster Dictionary:

      Main Entry: fas·cism
      Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
      Function: noun
      Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
      Date: 1921
      1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

      2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

      This sounds more like what the Teabagers and the Republican party does.

      You scared Republican losers ( the sense of loosing elections) need to understand the words that you are throwing around.

    • 2 years ago
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