ILLEGALS v.s. "Git-er-done" Arizona

How adorably contrived!

You fail to comprehend that the Black American community suffers more from illegal immigration than anyone else. We directly compete with you because you are more likely to move into our neighborhoods than in with white Americans. With you comes crime and destruction. We had small problems with kids gangs in my neighborhood, but illegal immigrants brought with them MS13 which is a racist Hispanic gang that wantonly kills and terrorizes the Black community.

Also while you are on the topic of sending white people back to Europe, you should cut yourself in half and send half of yourself to Spain because you are descendents of Spaniards and not your own separate race

"Our" neighborhoods?

I don't think it's a good idea to otherize hispanics like that.

We should be working together to tackle the power structure that creates problems in the Black community and Latino community and Poor white/asian/indigenous community, not squabbling.

COMPLETELY,...TOTALLY,.... IRRELEVANT. The ENTIRE DISCUSSION is about what is germane to the culture,...IN PLACE,...now. I have ALL SORTS of ideas about "democracy" as a "small state" form of government,....as practiced by the ancient Greeks. Guess what? I KNOW it is a PURELY intellectual exercise. DIG IT------"Dead indians have no weight". Is that tooooo deep for you? Plowed under,...dead n gone. Finito.

p.s. "babe" this "white man" has done allllllllll sorts of shit.

Excuse me but the Indians are not dead and gone, I and my family and many others continue to be insulted both by your European ancestors actions in the past and your current attitude of entitlement to this great land this turtle island. We the people which is what all the tribes called themselves welcome all people to this land and wish that our white brothers and sisters would share it as well.

Well,....thank you. I appreciate the invite. Now about how the stockholder at Exxon will respond to such reasoned benevolent sharing.........

And you conveniently forgot that most Latin Americans are Also descended from European counties; "Spain, Portugal, Italy, etc..." Only Natives have the right to make your argument. So stop insulting them!
But what happened in the past, good or bad, is in the past. We need to deal with Today’s problems.
And if you want to see “White Americans” picking crops, cleaning houses, selling fruits at roadside huts, etc…, then just look around. I have seen many here in the Carolinas but they are becoming fewer. There are still many “White Americans” that do those jobs today and would be Many more if the jobs were not taken by Illegals.
You call all “White Men” lazy and unwilling to do hard labor. You are a racist! I cropped tobacco and cut grass Many times. Now those jobs are almost completely taken over by Illegals. I do not care about what race an Illegal is, they are here Illegally!
We need Major Immigration Law Reforms and need to allow Many more people to come here "legally", but we do not need to allow Illegals to continue to be taken advantage of by greedy businessmen. We need tough laws, mostly to stop businesses from continuing to give away American (White, Black, Hispanic, Native, etc…) jobs. There are Plenty of Americans ready to fill those jobs!

You're right, ignorance can be amazing, especially when someone like you comes along and proves it. At 16 years old you have an excuse. Maybe someday, you'll figure it out.

You have a lot of growing up to do.

+^d Well stated.

Starving scab.

Well,...that is going to be the case upon rare occasions,.....but VERY rarely. I don't want to be put in a position where I AM TRYING TO "prove" a "negative". BUT this would rarely be the case. Mostly,...it IS just an "advancement" issue,............NOT "life or death". "Their gain,....really IS MY loss. I have had 30 years to watch the trend.

I don't have quite your degree of,....uhm,...ire,...but I DO generally agree with your points.

p.s. +^d

I don't think you should blame the illegal immigrants themselves, it's more the system as a whole. Businesses benefit from having this vast pool of labor and encourage the immigration. Not to mention the hellish political and economic system not only in Mexico, but in many central American countries.

I agree with you, that something should be done, but I don't think we should take it out on the people looking for better opportunities. I mean, when a person is offered a job, he doesn't say "well, somebody else may want this job, I can't," he takes the job.

First of all you stupid little shit you do have socialized universal health care even for completely Illegal boat people. I know this because I lived there for 4 years myself. You probably have never even left your own home town in your life you fuckin hick redneck inbread fuck.
Second try talking that supremacist claptrap with a real Indian and you would find yourself with a scalped and buried up to your neck bitch. So take your BS bravado and shove it down that ass you call your mouth.

Just because we have huge problems with Corporations, Wall Street, and Government does not mean that the illegal immigration issue is not a problem.

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Like the cycles of life on earth and your Organ systems it is all connected. During the 1980's we shifted from a company centered interest to a shareholder centered interest. In the good old days the adage was " a happy worker is a productive worker" to " whats in it for me" The Gordon Gecko philosophy at work and play.

The Elite Count oun your ignorance.

So what happens: they cut costs to show that they are artificially productive on the Market. that means slashing jobs, buying materials of inferior quality control, contracting out workers from other countries. These two practices also put off the customer. By sending out an inferioproducts and planned obsolescence. The customer goes somewhere else, like Toyota instead of Ford.

So what happens next, teh good stuff is over seas or expensive, the loss of jobs mean less money to spend. To protect the bottom line Agrabusiness, and other corporations and mom and pops,. hire people at or below minium wage just to survive. THERE ARE SOME JOBS BEING DONE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT AN AMERICAN WOULD SHUN.

The people coming to work in the mid and low income level wages are being taken advantage of in a way YOU the protestors would find reprehensible, I do not believe you would like to work 36 hours straight come back the next day to fin the same work and no pay coming to you.

And they are not aliens-that would denote them being form another planet-they are immigrants illegal or not- its sort of retarded to be specist when the Mexican, Arab, and you are all Homo Sapien Sapiens.
If there was not a need for these people then they would nOT COME or BE HERE. they are here to prove in a metaphorical way that there are not enough living wage jobs in this country- and if you want to live here and have a job- TO THE MARGINS YOU MUST go. I find that more reprehensible than the fact that there are Illegal immigrants to the Country.

Economic Policy belongs to our leaders in Washington and your respective states. Stop displacing on an already weakened group of people and go after the powerful who are TRULY RESPONSIBLE.

I Do believe that we need MAJOR Immigration Law Reform and we Do need to allow Many more people to come here “Legally”, but we should Not allow “Illegal” immigrants to stay here and take American jobs.

1st: "THERE ARE SOME JOBS BEING DONE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT AN AMERICAN WOULD SHUN." FALSE - There ARE Americans willing to do ANY job that is being done by Illegal Immigrants. True that “Most” Americans would not do just any job but there are “Some” Americans that Will do those jobs. I cropped tobacco when I was young. Why allow the Corporations to take advantage of Illegal Immigrants that they do not Have to pay a proper wage to and/or have proper working conditions for? Instead, force them to hire American workers to do the jobs. As far as Needing Illegal Immigrants to compete with their competition, that is a False premise because if ALL businesses were forced to hire Only Legal workers then there would be No Illegal competition.

2nd: The corporations that are taking advantage of the workforce need tough laws and regulations to rein them in. Through de-regulation the corporations have been allowed to take advantage of Illegal Immigrants by stating that they are doing so because they must do it to compete. If NO company was allowed to hire Illegal Immigrants then their cry that they Must hire Illegals to compete with their competition would be a False cry.

Our industries need to be Protected from unfair competition from countries that do not pay their workers a fair wage or offer fair working conditions.

Solutions:

Make Tough laws that would punish companies severely if they knowingly hire Illegal Immigrants.

Add tariffs to the types of goods that are imported from other countries that do not have a standard of living similar to ours if those goods are also made in America.

Make tough laws against using foreign workers from countries that do not have a similar standard of living as we do in order to replace American workers on the cheap. (This will be very complicated to do and will be fought vigorously by corporations with the old saying “We Have to do it to compete with other companies” which as I stated earlier is a False argument if All companies are held to the same standards.)

If a company is Based in America, then Any goods that They import from a country that does not have a standard of living similar to ours should have a Tariff imposed on them.

We need "Fair" competition, not excuses about needing underpaid workers to compete!

Point. +^d

Yes. Yes. Yes. Right on. Bravo. I agree. Point made. Thats the ticket.
(lets make it the ticket back home) +^d

But that is not the fault of the illegal immigrant -- its all the fault of big corporations that hire illegal immigrants and refuse to unionize and spend billions of dollars lobbying their state and federal congressmen to write and pass stupid laws like this instead of actually caring enough about their front line employees. It would be much more ethical to save that billion dollars in bribes and/or simply cut a few dollars off their million dollar salaries and pay that back into running the company so it could be run in an efficient and ethical manner. It's also the fault of investors from here in the states and around the world who don't want to take a small cut in their dividends if it means the price of production has to go up slightly to cover being able to hire legal American workers and pay them a living wage.

+^d

Exactly crob that is exactly how i want things to be done as well.

I think the first step is acknowledging that we're not doing the illegal immigrants any favors by allowing them to stay here illegally and allowing employers to pay them below market wages and violate OSHA standards.

Right now we're employing a Half-N-Half strategy of keeping them as slave laborers (simply by not enforcing fair our own Labor laws) and simultaneously trying to kick them out in a random haphazard manner.

We've got to shit or get off the pot.

Either we figure out a way to fully incorporate these people into our labor and tax economy...or we try to kick them all out.

And since we're talking about tens of millions of people there is no realistic way to "round them all up" as the proponents of this idea claim.

If we're going to spend that much money and manpower to "round them up" we could just as easily use that exact same money and manpower to police construction/manufacturing sites to enforce Wage & labor standards after we grant amnesty.

Personally I'd much rather just force employers to pay at least minimum wage and TAX their employment as opposed to trying (in vain) to kick out 30 million people.

Basically: we can either spen $100 million dollars trying to kick them all out and get ZERO dollars back in terms of taxation or we can spend $100 million incorporating them legally into our economy (via policing and enforcement of employers) and get money back by incorporating them into the tax system.

Do you want to work construction jobs or in the field and get paid below minimum wage? Go ahead be my guest and we'll see if you're still complaining.

done and done, it sucks.

however i can argue against illegals doing anything as far as construction is concerned, the majority of them do absolutely shitty work. i would never live in a place built by illegals, you won't have straight walls. (i've been in and around construction my whole life)

as far as farmwork goes, that's what kids are for. most americans are pansies and won't do the work and we really need the laborers for this

I do work construction, and get paid much more than minimum wage. And I HATE going to work everyday so that people on welfare or unemployment can get my hard earned money. If there are jobs out there, unemployed Americans should be working. Even if they are low paying "construction jobs".

Maybe one day, when your all grown up, you'll understand.

PS... I used to get paid minimum wage. But I showed up to work everyday, worked hard, went to college, and now I'M a boss.

But too many people don't want to work for it. They want MY job, but don't want to put in the hard work it took to get here.

I would personally love to work a construction job. however I'd like to get paid rather than letting the owners reap the fruits of my labor.

People who are collecting unemployment paid into it for years, you fucking moron. I guess some companies will keep people around even when she is border line retarded.

Spoken like a true welfare recipient.

I make double what you scam lady, I am THE BEST period. When the HUBLE space telescope was out of alignment, NASA sent their scientists to calibrate their instruments by measuring my welds. True story.

We should get back to work then... there's starving people in this city that need our help buying rims for their whips.

Do you like Arizona that much that you're willing to give your economic power and taxes to that state?

detained???you are making shit up as you go along??? this is not the dark ages anymore ...with proper ID i can tell if you are here LEGAL or ILLEGAL..

as everybody can see the reason why this shit escalated this bad is because of morons who seems to defend this kind of criminal act..threatening court battles and shit..YOU ARE THE PROBLEM...

now if you are so inclined to help these people like its a Christ like calling on your end,,its best served that you go after those assholes that run the country where these people came from..but then again you tend to idolize these assholes..These people are running away from oppression ..well solve the oppression from the source..if you grow some courage or balls to do so..

who was the asshole who let illegals get licenses? Get them on the next bus going south and drop them off at the border.

I don't know if we'll ever know. For all intents and purposes, the people making the case against illegal immigration can make them out to be criminal parasites with little studies to prove or disprove.

I thought it was already a crime hence the term "illegal alien"?