Women 'have inbuilt fear of getting fat that does not exist in men' | Mail Online

I don't know what the fuck art school you went to, but it sounds like you just completely made that up...

Thin became popular in the 60s because Twiggy showed a new, tomboyish beauty to girls, and because for the first time teens had stores especially catered to them, like Biba. Twiggy was largely viewed as freeing women from the 50s housewife style.

Nope. if I still had the thing I could give you the bibliography but i wrote the thing around 1990, so it's not like I remember the particulars. What you say about Twiggy is not untrue. She was also one of the very very first hundred ultra thin hundred pound sex symbols though.

I'm trying to remember the texts, the only one that comes to mind is the autobiography of one of the very first major modern fashion photographers. His name eludes me but IIRC he was born in central or eastern Europe, and was the guy who brought the twin lens reflex and the camera pit to fashion photography. He talks a lot in the book about the changes in how models looked and exactly why.

As for the school it was a fairly high end midwestern art school. It's most famous alumnus was a newspaper cartoonist, which doesn't exactly speak well for it though. I'd call it a solid tier 2 school. That was 20 years ago. It may have gone up or down in the ratings since then. In their defense as I recall the grade i got on the paper was not particularly good.

what does that even mean?

aah, that's sick. You had to add the g?
+^'d

He means what ever the popular media driven look is(cozed by the medium used) that is what women will try to emulate. In the pale years women never went out with out hats and parasols to keep their skin white. They even used makeup to appear whiter and contrasting dark artificial moles at one point.
The tan salons are driven by the 'Hollywood beach bum' beginings. (A little sun IS good for you.)

Read Almibry's comment below where she explains why women didn't want to appear tanned at one time. It's all driven by society's perception.

ahh. Thank you for explaining that one. I didn't parse the first word as being compound.

yeah, it's an viable point. The only flaw in it is that the economic factors were true for hundreds of years before that fashion became popular. It's the problem with history. there's usually many factors at once. The world is and always was a complicated place.

-\/'d
The topic I can take seriously. You? I'm still too busy wondering what Harry is doing on my ass and why your face would be in the toilet to clog it in the first place, so I'm too busy...

I hope to never know.

weed whacker . its the only way to be sure.

weed whacker and friends,...some problems call for an intervention.

(gurls)

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ovipositer

It's ovipositor, for future reference.

A standin ovumvation.

my spell checker thanks you.

P.S.
LOL I got negatived for this comment?! someone out there randomly voting stuff down or something? That's ridiculous.

I saw this happening in the late 80's with kids shoes.... I have really tiny feet and used to buy the window model shoes, they were always very small. They quit using them in the 70's but in the 80's I was shopping for kids shoes and found Buster Brown had started a line of girls shoes that looked like adult shoes. (This is when companies started making little girls clothes in bright garish colors, no more pastels.) I was so excited because I could buy these kids shoes and wear them because they looked just like the other adult shoes. But when I realized this was pushing preschool and grade school girls to become adult's too fast I felt saddened and torn. Kids don't get to be free of that self image of 'I gotta look gorgeous all the time' to play freely in the open air. It used to be there was one or two girls like this, never got dirty always preening, and the rest could get down in the dirt and play rough and not feel like they were weird.... not anymore with the fons with cameras and videos....Girls start in pre-school now...It saddens me that we encourage these kids to act like adults before they get to be kids. For some it's great if that's who they would naturally have been...but childhood is the time to be a child!

In all seriousness,...that is the point that is unclear. Nature,... nurture,....hmmmm.
But you CAN at least now LOOK AT brain function,...and go "Ah Ha",..something to this.

The "fashion industry" is social,....but are the drives,...that DRIVE the market "socialized',...or do our biological innate programs "Drive" the social factors?

I would say,......jury is still out.

So people will kwno what I'm talking about when you chicken out (again):"Does the fashion industry tell you what is beautiful, or do YOU tell the fashion industry what is beautiful?
I think women are smarter than that. Blaming 'society' is a shortcut and an excuse. It can be argued that clothing is dictated by trends, but physical attraction is most certainly dictated by nature.
The standard of beauty is pretty consistent across class, country, culture, and history. If it was "society", I dont think overweight girls would cause dry heaves like they do (and overly thin girls as well). "Society" never suddenly convinced people what an attractive hip to waist ratio was."-Imisslaura

What society generally considers to be attractive is equivalent to what is healthy. In poor countries, where food is hard to come by, the extra weight looks good and is a status symbol. Being overweight does not mean a person is unhealthy, the same as being thin does not mean you are healthy. Study after study has shown that despite a women's body size, men prefer women who are smart, easy going, not prone to depression, are confident in themselves and their mate, etc. There are many men who like overweight women, it's more likely that it's low self esteem that men find unattractive. I agree that only the most shallow kind of person will believe it's all the media's fault, but the average person (in America) sees about 3000 ads a day, and to assume that people are unaffected by that is silly, to say the least. But standards for beauty do change, in our culture, at least before the cancer craze, a tan was attractive since it was a sign of an active healthy life. In the past, however, tan skin was the sign of a laborer, and was not considered attractive. Even the hip to waist ratio "ideal" has changed, or women would still be in corsets.
Aside from all that, it's understandable that people are getting fat in the US, we have more food than we could ever eat, and our bodies are "programed" to crave sweet and fatty foods, our instincts coming back to bite us in the ass. When you eat something sweet or fatty, your brain will release dopamine as a reward. This reaction was used to "train" humans to eat rich foods so they'll have energy stored in lean times... Only we don't have lean times anymore, and that IS society's fault... Bad society!

My post was perfectly relevant, and while it could have stood on it's own, I didn't see any reason why I should ignore your bigotry. Just because I didn't say anything about fashion it's not unrelated, I was addressing the statement you made concerning the nature of physical attraction: "[P]hysical attraction is most certainly dictated by nature. The standard of beauty is pretty consistent across class, country, culture, and history... 'Society' never suddenly convinced people what an attractive hip to waist ratio was." My post was perfectly relevant.
As for the mail? You should have paid more attention to my page, I do have, right on the front there, next to my photo the quote "When in doubt, gross them out" and unlike you, I'm true to my word: you should have taken that into consideration before mailing me in the first place. You shouldn't have asked a question without being prepared for every possible answer. You shouldn't have persisted in questioning me after I answered as completely as I was comfortable with and just maybe you should change your "rules of engagement" and become more open to different forms of humor.
And you are a chicken! You can't take a little bit of prodding without getting all defensive?

You delete your comments whether I'm involved or not. I know from talking to you before that you think your word is something you can go back on, but out right lying? You, my friend, have issues.

PS. I forgot: "You could have made this comment on its own, and not as a reply to mine. Nearly all of your reply has nothing to do with my post.
I delete my comments to avoid you. Even when I make a joke, you post under it to ruin it. I'm hoping for responses from other people. It is not that I am "chicken", but rather that your comments are very predictable, and I am trying to find unique viewpoints.
You have lots of 'followers' who would love to have your attention. Post under their comments. Could you please just vote all my comments down, and NOT reply to them? You are getting in the way of discourse I could have with other people.
Also, thank you for stopping the mails you were sending."- ImissLaura

Are you a Libra, or a Pisces?

to the whole of that-

yepper.

You got it!

Ah,.........put on another 10lbs of "good weight",...strengthen your sword arm,...and reward yourself with one decapitated asshole for that and every additional 10 lbs of strength you gain! Make candle stands of skulls. Germanic clan gurls play by the rules of warrior tribes!
( An adult human cadaver head cut off around vertebra C3, with no hair, weighs on average somewhere between 4.5 and 5 kg, typically constituting around 8% of the body mass. )

You can motivate/encourage yourself nearly pound for pound!

Sure as hell beats weight-watchers. +^'d

OK, maybe it wasn't ALL muscle...

I've always flt that muscle magazines were more or less a tribute to male anorexia.

Next time you sit down to pee, and get stuck in the bowl, you'll understand...

I'm with almibry. You don't know until you KNOW.

Which is why you look BEFORE you sit. Its called order of operations.

#1 We do look, when the light is on, during the day. But in the middle of the night we like to conserve energy by keeping the light off... ok, maybe because when you flip that switch it blinds you for the first few seconds... we all know that pain.

#2 The majority of bathroom activities involve sitting. We do both deeds sitting and you guys do number 2 sitting as well (hopefully) so ergo... toilet seat should stay down ^.^

Oh and no pun intended with the #1 and #2

Shut up, stop complaining turn the god'am light on. God... women. Wtf is with them. I can't aim without the light on.

Yeah, but that time when you learn to look is traumatizing. It's so cold...

"You can avoid arguments with the Mrs. about lifting the toilet seat by using the sink."
Gross... Don't do that. It's unsanitary.

Dude chill the fuck out. I was just being silly... I would love if my husband would put up the toilet seat, instead of him pissing all over the seat....

Also unsanitary...

Pooping in the "upper-deck" would undoubtedly clog the whole system and there' is no tool for unclogging that part, and when you flush it the poop will go into the bowl and when I go in to pee later that night and forget to turn the light on and dip my ass/lady parts in it and get infected...
People use the sink it the bathroom for grooming, what if someone dropped their toothbrush in the sink (which is not impossible)?
Unsanitary.

Going without wiping is also unsanitary. How malleable are we talking here? roflmao, and you think I have no humor.

Eww, dingle-berries, the most unsanitary thing so far. I really hope you don't mean that. *shudder*

I'm so glad someone who can stroke your... ego. You two will be great together.

And I'm a moderator of the science group. I haven't read anything so far concerning "upper-deck" defecation, but if I ever come across one, I'll dedicate it to you darling.

And this kind of discourse is what you desire? LOL, no wonder we don't get along.

But I thought you didn't know if girls had anal bushes? I could answer it for you, but there are some details that are too personal.

Yaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh,............uhm,............thanx. (You "surprise" me at my home,...and you will have a hard time crawling off the grass in the front yard). no kidding.

When I vote someone down I'll include the symbol -\/'d somewhere in my comments, you must have pissed off someone else. I don't get upset by such petty things.

rofl Get it on tape (please) +^'d

I doubt you, for some strange and obscure reason I don't quite understand.

"I know the reason... your not very bright. And... you confessed to having a harry ass and a curiosity as to the malleability of faces. There you go, now you understand."-ImissLaura

WOW
I'm not bright? Because I have a "harry" ass? Because I think your "faces" may clog the toilet?
ROFLMAO
Right...

Ok, and now for the toilet truth.
First my invention: An air fan that starts when you sit, WHICH pulls air through the water jets located under the porcelain rim. Air is pulled down into the bowl and extricated through a vent, eliminating all odors.
Next, everyone should check with their hands, at night, whether the seat is down or up. This can be done in the dark.
And of course, the whole notion of adulthood goes out the window when someone starts saying it is someone else's responsibility to adjust and keep the seat for them. Grow up. Albeit, the seat should be clean when leaving.

Second, WOMEN can and do leave little yellow drops on the seat when they rise after peeing - so cut the crap about how it's only men. Men can be gross (some of them certainly) - we had a friend who drank and after a rousing pontification would go in to the bathroom, he never even hit the toilet.
So slobs are slobs and it seems many more men are slobs - but the cure is don't think you should be living with them - nor taking them home.

What are doing with a slob anyway?

And another thing, Opera is one of many women who take an inordinate amount of toilet paper with which to wipe. - I had a roommate who did the same thing - she'd stop up the toilet all the time.
RULE: Do not use more than four to six segmentations per wipe. You can actually feel what you are doing and, unlike your unwarranted fear, you are perfectly clean.

A big ball of toilet paper just prevents you from accomplishing your wipe - and all you are likely to do is SMEAR it all over yourself (don't tell me that doesn't happen).

So you have had a bad habit, a very bad habit and in changing, trying something new, you will find a better life. Therefore: live by my rules.

:-} :-} Right? Right.

1st, like the vent idea, elaborate, but I'm sure someone would pay for it. 2nd I check with my feet for the sake of sanitation. 3rd, your second paragraph is completely out of place, and bordering on insulting considering this all started with Ricky84's statement, "Maybe next the can figure out why women have a subconscious fear of checking to see if the seat is down before sitting on the toilet." NOT me saying "Why is my slob of a male roomate always laying an ass-trap in the bathroom?" 4th, the TP issue was brought up with Ron_Geremy (hopefully) joking about taking a crap in the back of the toilet and reassuring me that it wouldn't be clogged because he doesn't use toilet paper. I haven't clogged a toilet since I was 8...
You sir, are a fucking moron. -\/'d

I hope you stub your toe on everything you walk by for the next half a year.

WELL! At least someone here has a handle on toilet tactics!

Well pal, I didn't read that your male friend was a 'slob' - I came up with the word 'slob' to refer to any males who piss all over without regard for others nor for themselves. And mentioned that any woman shouldn't be with such "slobs" -This had nothing to do with you, because I had not read your comment.

I only scrolled to the bottom of the thread to make my TP comments.

Your becoming insulted or emotionally compromised by the thought that someone would attack your personal mate/roommate situation, that you had spelled out so, was not my purpose - again because I had not read your comment that you apparently thought I was alluding to. So I understand your getting pissed. But I wasn't referring to you.

I didn't read your comment because I have a fever - because it is the first time I pulled my self out of bed after having a surprise appendectomy surgery on Tuesday night. I haven't eaten anything for a week.

I have my little outlooks on the various toilet paper fiascos people entertain and this was a likely place to write them - all of which were meant to bring a laugh and nothing more.

You seem to hope to find a way to to vent or spout off - now and then - but as I have said three times, I wasn't trying to evoke that.

But you know, there really is other things I should be doing than bothering with this kind of internet chatter-trap - After all, we are alive once - just once.

I'd like to put together a life-habit of getting everything I should out of life - and we all are so easily led into wasting our time. The best path is to concentrate on not falling into such 'waste traps'. Things that are simply time wasters. It is our time that we waste - and it is the only value that we will ever have.

mmmm... point. There's an advantage that goes undiscussed. Men can pee standing up but women can pee in the dark because the aiming bit is taken care of. With men there's no way to make completely shure your shoes are out of range.

And it's very visible. Pee dries as a white powder. It's one reason toilet bowels are usually white. You want to know if your man is peeing in the sink? Look for white splash marks.

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God I can't believe I read three of those posts and still fell for it. Full five bridges there.

I know, I know.... I was only being dorky with that post I made... I really don't care if it's up or down, we have a night light in our bathroom anyways. Plus when I was little I learned very early to always check the toilet seat :)

"Men can pee standing up but women can pee in the dark because the aiming bit is taken care of. With men there's no way to make completely shure your shoes are out of range."

Men can pee sitting down too. Unless they have a crippling self-esteem deficiency and are too insecure with their manhood to be able to do something that is usually associated with women.

I'll forgive you... This time.

still gotta aim though unless you want it to just dangle in the water and I really like to avoid that. Urinary tract infections suck really hard. It itches ~inside~ j. God, my legs are twitching thinking about it.

Yeah, appendicitis, Boo Hoo