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Oil Rig Sinks on Earth Day, sets stage for huge spill

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A deepwater oil platform that burned for more than a day after a massive explosion sank into the Gulf of Mexico on Thursday, creating the potential for a major spill as it underscored the slim chances that the 11 workers still missing survived.

The sinking of the Deepwater Horizon, which burned violently until the gulf itself extinguished the fire, could unleash more than 300,000 of gallons of crude a day into the water. The environmental hazards would be greatest if the spill were to reach the Louisiana coast, some 50 miles away.

Crews searched by air and water for the missing workers, hoping they had managed to reach a lifeboat, but one relative said family members have been told it's unlikely any of the missing survived Tuesday night's blast. The Coast Guard found two lifeboats but no one was inside. More than 100 workers escaped the explosion and fire; four were critically injured.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/22/oil-rig-deepwater-horizon_n_548745.html
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99 comments // Oil Rig Sinks on Earth Day, sets stage for huge spill

  • Gravity_Man
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    • America is sinking faster than the crude oil is rising...

      not that everybody hadn't already figured that out. And they said it was 3 pipes broken off not one. Strictly by the olde playbook, talk it down at first. Throw up a buffer wall to marshmallow everybody back into their recliner. I really appreciated the speedy way the poor old oil companies spent a few bucks... after making $750,000,000,000.00 extra at the pumps. hahaha You know what they did? They invested in something that crashed and burned.

      The oil companies may be poorer than the rest of us.
      I wonder how much business they did with ol' Bernie Madoff?
      I seriously doubt anyone from the US Gov't can look at their books.

      This just keeps on getting better by the day, especially if the people we think are Rich are hiding the fact they're dirt poor and couldn't afford to send in the best people to stop the oil leaks. Think about it a minute because it makes PERFECT SENSE. What do we all tend to do when we have extra money? Right! We spend it. The oil companies had $750 billion extra dollars they didn't work for => so they felt like it was raining money.

      Maybe the oil companies are broke. Easily gained even more easily spent, like sands in the hourglass right through their greedy fingers. Gee, I guess we really can't raise their taxes. This is lots better than Chess.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Gravity_Man:

      The gravity of the oil spill situation worsens. Lemme see if I got this straight. At the same time ice is melting making the oceans HEAVIER the best minds among us thought it a great idea to keep drilling oil from ocean floors, reducing the upward pressure.

      Extra Downward pressure + Reduction in Upward pressure.

      Homo sapiens => not even worthy of the name.
      We type on keyboards. Monkeys do that too.

      I'm starting to really enjoy being right.

    • 2 years ago
  • ras_menelik
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  • Gravity_Man
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    • ras_menelik:

      4/29/2010 truth continues to spill out from the hiding places (national News Media) => 1. 500% greater than previously stated (now thought to be 5,000 barrels a day = 200,000 gallons a day); 2. that 500%/200,000 is admitted to be what it was really leaking from the beginning; 3. the Gulf spill is a worse disaster than the 1989 Exxon Valdez. Once again the News Media is #1 seeking to SPONGIFY a disaster (muffle the public recoil & horror), showing itself to be an extension of those in power #2 => whoever that is.

      Energy Czar Mr. Chu seems to have found a back door and used it.

    • 2 years ago
  • Wetdog
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    • That is all fine well and good GM---but we have neither the time nor the money to rebuild our entire infrastructure from the ground up again.

      The DOD estimates that in 5 years, demand will exceed production capacity for petroleum. The price will begin to rise steeply. They expect the price to double in approximately ten years, maybe less. Judging from past performance, my bet is on the "maybe less".

      Biofuels and methane are the only options we have that fit within a reasonable time and cost framework with any hope of avoiding major collapse. If you think the recent economic crisis has been bad----just wait until the the basic building block of Industrialized civilization doubles in cost within a few short months, or perhaps weeks.

      Petroleum is running out. I'm telling people. The Pentagon is making plans. Geologists are telling people. Economists are telling people.

      Why do people not listen and insist on burying their heads in the sand and turning completely blind to seeing past the end of their noses.

      "Oh well, there's plenty of oil in the ground, and the price is only $3 a gallon right now, I can buy all I need." It seems that people can't even remember one year ago. In 1993, the price of oil was $.73/gal----and the next 17 years are going to bring even higher and more rapid price increases than the last 17 years.

      The roller coaster car is just now clanking slowly to the top of the tallest, steepest hill----the last hill of the ride.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Wetdog:

      You don't appreciate just how many energy systems I've invented. In 1989 I submitted to the Dept. of Energy a capacitance-based system to get power from lightning, without touching or interfering with the lightning. A parallel capacitance system that has induced in the wire the same power contained in the lightning going down the metal pole (aka "conductor") beside it.

      There are certain area in the world that REGULARLY attracts waves of lightning-spewing thunderstorms so this is easily doable, and intelligent. But the D.O.E., they wanted submissions from college students, and mine didn't meet that requirement, so I doubt they even read it. Too bad for us.

      Yes I agree, we are short of time NOW, but we weren't in 1989. In 2000 I made a new type of windmill that magnifies low wind speeds. It was stolen and is now powering a new military plane that glides up & down through the atmosphere without fuel all around the planet if they want, or til their food runs out.

      If we are painted into a corner as you say, and we are, then it wasn't because God forgot us. I've had other engines that make excess power. My car engine makes exponential power and another engine I designed in 2005 will make electricity anywhere in the universe we choose to go, no umbilical power lines required, and no crude oil or any of your other combustion fuels, because they operate by the Laws of Physics that I was Blessed by God to invent.

      Partly because during the time I was inventing I had 3 severe heart seizures (2000), gout (2003 for 5 months crippled), 3 anginas and a heart stoppage (2008), ad a few times I've died and come back /brought back/ to life to finish my work. I've had my entire nervous system spine and brain stuffed full of Lyme's spirocheate bacteria to a point where I could barely move my jaws to talk (2006).

      I'm here by the Grace of God inventing engines that, in my opinion, He wanted you all to see just how magnificently He has provided more Energy that we can ever use... the Energy of Physics upon which all Creation runs, because it can't ever be used up like oil or natural gas. You just build another engine.

      hahahaha You just build another engine! Need more power? You just build another engine! Have more people? You just build another engine and their lifetime needs are taken care of. Fossil fuels can never do that.

      But, I've been noticing the Powers that be have a strong aversion to using something good like I have and it started a long time ago way before me. They kept us from having Tesla's natural energy, then Floyd Sweet had a device that attracted cosmic radiation energy that bathes this planet. We have so much raw power man there's just no need at all for anyone to fear running out of electricity or having to walk or ride behind a mule ever again.

      The corner you think we're in, we aren't in but for those people causing it to remain so. We could throw our collective backs into just a few of these many engines and energy sources and have the power a lot faster than you are projecting. People are sitting on their wealth of knowledge to force Jesus to come save the dying masses.

      Perhaps that makes you next in line. Makes no difference to me because I've had plenty direct witness given to me Jesus will be here soon, my body filled with a power men can't conceive exists. Whether I should share that with you I do not know, but that's my cards on the table. I have nothing to hide. Unfortunately, for those people who have not had that experience you either have faith or you don't. Most will choose to say I'm a bipolar lunatic. Well, I've had the bipolar gene all my life, but when God's power hit me it was a good deal more than any bipolar EVER was.

      This planet is in quite a pickle because they ignored the one God used to show you the way out. Now you have to whip out every machete you can grab and slice your way through kudzu with sweat running in your eyes praying you succeed.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Gravity_Man:

      Again Wetdog, when I say "ignored the one" I am not excluding many other men besides me who had greater inventions than I've had => Mr. Tesla and Mr. Sweet and probably a lot of other folks too. The battle you are waging hasn't just "happened". It has been CAUSED TO HAPPEN.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Wetdog:

      Ya know Wetdog, I'm not a political person, never was, and certainly didn't have the wherewithal to become one since I was hit with a never ending barrage of major health issues that began building toward me when doctors refused some KEY medical treatments I asked them for in the early-mid 1990's. Everything I went through like being purposely fed through a human meat grinder happened because they refused medical treatment of my crushed feet (1989)... leaving me unable to do aerobics enough to stop degradations that came to my body and systems.

      So I have first person familiarity with s h * t being CAUSED. I saw what was happening and my knowledge of human physiology told me EXACTLY what was coming at me after 2000. It was like watching a giant meteor coming down my throat, and the doctors who KNEW my thyroid didn't work offered me NOTHING. All I could do was hold onto the sides of my boat as I went through 8 and 10 years of whitewater without medical assistance.

      With all of that internal destruction going on I was Blessed to invent some zero polluting engine systems... so then I continued watching a second ongoing destruction I had watched speed up since 1989 when I had the lightning power system.

      But you bring up the issue of implementation time for a new engine system. Well, I believe many of the parts used in my car engine could be already made and sold, so putting mine together from your point of view may look like a long implementation but I don't think nearly as long. It comes down to will.

      They have the money, they have the people. What we have here is a mental resistance to me. People have it so ingrained in them that one man can't possibly have "the answer" that when anyone comes a long who actually does have a "the answer"-level solution has to be fought and defeated.

      Almost as if we have turned into a brainless bee hive. George Bush came up with little cutesy phrases directed at me. He once said "there's no magic wand" and I KNOW that was aimed at my car engine. He said repeatedly, brainwashing into the American Public saying "there's no easy answers". President Bush paid men, probably retired engineers, to argue with me online, eating up the clock for at least 2 years.

      I know exactly why we are where we are today, and it has nothing to do with me being left or right, Democrat or Republican, Bush lover or Bush hater. It's just the facts I lived my life in great physical pain, and then the hospital semi-fried deep into my brain, drying out the internal structures of my brain in 2005, making my very being alive a major miracle being saved by God to continue on.

      I should be dead already 10 times over at the hand of the American medical profession, and by all rights I'm owed a fortune in malpractice monies more than ample to launch my engines into major full scale no-holds-barred production. But, the hospitals are the winners there you see for I live in Virginia (Commonwealth of) where it has shown itself to be a Communist State. When they passed the law that barred me from suing for tobacco damages incurred during my growing in the womb, which crippled down my thyroid gland FOR LIFE, Va acted in partnership with Satan the Devil to keep those monies from me.

      You take a minute, back up and try to look at the whole picture of my life, and you will see a string of events that all added up to a super powerful person making moves ahead of the moves I was to make. From the doctors to the tobacco poisoning while in the womb to George Bush, Satan's pawn, it all adds up to someone knowing my next moves God was having me make.

      I have watched this happen for 20 years. In 2000 when I invented the Wind Engine I knew I had something special, so I did EVERYTHING humanly possible to protect my invention. I made copies of how it wasd made and encrypted them with a company that specialized in encryption to protect new inventions! I also allowed a year and a half after that to lapse, letting Time serve also as a protection. Then in 2002 I stumbled across a company named The Egg Factory here in Roanoke and they agreed I had a world class moneymaker so they signed papers saying they would give legal protection if someone was to steal it.

      I covered every base imaginable and it was stolen, used in a military plane you probably know little about, no monies given me; and The Egg Factory disclaimed me, plus the men who worked the deal with me there, one quit and one transferred away up near DC. hahahahahahahaha

      You haven't lived til you've walked in my shoes brother. I've had people damn me for not doing enough. Then I fixed the car engine and the garbage hitting me from George Bush started, plus his hired guns. I didn't do enough? hahahaha I did plenty considering the assaults hitting me while I was ill on so many varied levels. I've beaten 6 & 7 cancers totally without doctor's help.

      I lived almost 4 years being waterboarded 24/7 from two cancerous lumps inside my nostril but not directly across that set up an air ripple effect, inhale and exhale, 4 years. One of them finally grew and I ripped it out in September 2007 with long nose pliers... because the 5 ear nose and throat specialists I had seen here in Roanoke all claimed they couldn't see a problem.

      hahahahahaha Friends, mankind is being slammed to the mat by a superhuman angel gone bad and our only help comes from the Lord God Jehovah of armies or we are FINISHED no matter what moves we make. Abraham battled with an angel for one night. I've battled this angel all my life.

      We are outgunned and we are outclassed. I'm not suggesting you totally give up but you better reconsider your position with Jesus Christ because he's all we got. His kingdom rule is the only hope we humans have, his sacrificed blood our only hope. Otherwise Satan will scrub us all into a pile of dust.

      And we'll all blow away as fast as a dust storm on Jupiter.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Gravity_Man:

      From the sharp crystals of gout ripping the inside of my blood vessels for 5 months in 2003, plus the brain scan frying sustained in 2005, my blood pressure was documented at Lewis-Gale Hospital's Valley View Clinic as running 245/140+ for the better part of 3 years.

      The capillaries in my retinas should've been blown out.

      No human should live through what I've lived through. My claim of divine help is more than a claim. My advice is good. We have worse problems than any "Illuminati". Our opponent is stronger, smarter, faster. Some, perhaps even many, of the moves we make he has already seen and knows how to counter and stop them.

      Jim Kirk and Leonard Nimoy couldn't break his grip. We may as well be caught in a tractor beam and being drawn into the Sun.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Wetdog:

      If as you say, Wetdog, the roller coaster is on its last run, then we need a new roller coaster. Switching from crude oil (gasoline, diesel) over to Methane, Ethanol and so on, is not really a new roller coaster because you have remained with COMBUSTION ENGINES... which means you've switched from one fuel that runs out to other fuels that run out.

      My "contrived" Imitation Fuel ~liquid air + steam~ never runs out because it is never burned up; it is only used to carry cold energy and heat energy into the engine cylinder. But since they are carried in fluid mediums the laws governing fluids causes an exponential explosion.

      THAT is a new roller coaster => smart energy instead of raw club the dinosaur in the head energy. Combustion fuels, they explode and push the pistons. When my combo fuel explodes it both pushes and pulls yet, due to the specifics of what happens both the pushing and the pulling combines into a tsunami slam toward the piston head.

      I agree with you 100% => it is time for the new roller coaster, one that never runs out of fuel &/+ never even needs refueling. That's my engine. Yours are a continuation of what we have had, mine strike a match to the Future we need to have. You could even say without exaggeration that my engines open the portal to the Future and keep a totally straight face.

      Or, we remain where we are. Liquid Wood engines.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Gravity_Man:

      The fix I made to Professor Hertzberg's engine -combining two different fuels- came from my childhood toy rocket. It combined baking soda with vinegar, a one-time explosion. Steam sets up a "low pressure area" in the cylinder into which the liquid air at 4,361 psi explodes [into a semi-partial vacuum]. The molecules of air and water are not destroyed so they exit the cylinder for recharging. =>

      This engine system defeats both Entropy and the "Three Laws of Thermodynamics",
      something no other engine has done one of, much less both. =>

      We can step into the future any time we want.
      We can step into the future any time we want.
      We can step into the future any time we want. =>

      Driving with car engines that don't wear out from heat & never run out of fuel.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Wetdog:

      Rush Limbaugh made a point today I had never heard, that the ocean floors are seeping thousands of gallons of oil out into the water NATURALLY. This was major news to me. If it wasn't for that natural seepage I imagine the oceans would take care of oil spills faster, but with em what the oil spills represents is icing on a black cake that already has plenty of icing.

      And doesn't need 2 cents more from oil company recklessness.

      It would be a good thing if this Gulf disaster was Man-caused then we could breathe a Big Sigh of relief. I'm thinking all these earthquakes is causing or contributing to breaking oil lines. If my instincts are right on that then we -all mankind- need to discontinue crude oil drilling, followed closely by any other fuels that depend on pipelines under the ground for distribution.

      And what that means is we need to make a CLEAN BREAK for a new door ASAP, with the best Breakout Technology we can break down the escape hatch and get out, extricate ourselves from this damnable situation... for with all the trillions stuffed in their pockets the oil companies are neglecting their pipeline infrastructure just like the Gov has let bridges and everything else above ground fall into a dilapidated and very dangerous condition.

      Aboveground infrastructure crumbling is bad enough but the thought the oil companies, stuffed to their eyeballs with money, have not had the common decency to foresee their technology was becoming outmoded well, it's easy to see #1 we're literally standing in a cesspool of excrement #2 the level is rising and #3 we don't have McGiver around.

      Producing 35 mpg vehicles isn't a spit in the bucket it's spit in the Consumer's eyes, and their eyes are already leaking from the roller coaster ride dropping down the mountain at breakneck speed.

      Anyway, what I was saying at the start, this is really BAD if Limbaugh's sources are correct saying the ocean floors must all be leaking crude oil out because the only way I can see that happening is the underground oil stores are being crushed by the extra arctic & antarctic ice melt, the weight of the extra water sitting atop the planet.

      We're in a lot bigger trouble than anyone ever imagined. Even Al Gore.
      We're in a lot bigger trouble than anyone ever imagined. Even Al Gore.
      We're in a lot bigger trouble than anyone ever imagined. Even Al Gore.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Gravity_Man:

      And if that's true, I assume Rush Limbaugh has accurate sources, the only way out is to cool the planet => get that water back where it belongs into snowfall. 250 million+ vehicles on the planet, each one running an engine temperature of 185 degrees (the usual thermostat), added to that the heated exhaust gas, yep, that's an accumulated total of enough extra heat to reduce snowfall and ice.

      It's too much, too much extra heat. This is a variable no one has mentioned before to my knowledge. Perhaps the Chile quake speeded it up. Truck engines run a blast furnace temperature.

    • 2 years ago
  • Wetdog
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    • Gravity_Man:

      Producing liquid air requires enormous amounts of energy to produce and is impossible to store for any significant amount of time because of heat transfer and pressure problems.

      I doubt that it would be possible to maintain your liquid air "fuel" overnight, let alone a week in a standby mode. You'd fill up your tank and get up to start out the next morning only to find an empty tank.

      Not to mention the cost of production and handling.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Wetdog:

      Doubt, yeah, that is a problem, a world filled with doubters. You're thinking the old way. People get used to the old way. It's a disease.

      You're making a lot of assumptions that aren't a problem anywhere but inside the mind of a doubter.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Wetdog:

      My engines make Real-Time energy aka, energy-on-the-fly and v/little storage needed. Since the returning pistons are not doubling as an air compressor (as today's combustion engines do), there is no resistance, so turning over the engine doesn't require the raw Power you think it does.

      Today's combustion engines are patched-together solutions around problems my engines don't have. You should keep in mind that a small-to-medium weight vehicle only needs around 90 horsepower to roll those 4 wheels down the highway. Early Volkswagens only had about 63 horsepower and the American Public loved em.

      Since my system loses the entire exhaust system a finished vehicle is going to be pulling around 300 pounds less metal, hoses, radiator, catalytic converter and no muffler down the highway, making it as light as a VW, or less. Which means btw the road surfaces last much longer.

      My engine does a few tricks I haven't revealed yet and don't intend to do here today. You go ahead of me and win the race.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • 1. The News says the oil leaking is 1,000 barrels a day. Yesterday they said it's a lighter oil and the longer it stays out in the water the more it disperses, an argument Wetdog uses in his post below btw. Which to me sounds like an argument for collateral damage being OK because fish and ocean life are being affected, so the apparent argument is it's OK if it doesn't touch us. //

      2. Using fuels that burn (combust) no matter what it is => gas, diesel, propane, natural gas, methane, all of them are essentially people huddled around A CAMPFIRE OF LIQUID WOOD burning it to drive around, a modern Neanderthal. //

      4. If that was all we could do then that's what we do, we have no choice? => except that in 2003 I fixed an engine that does NOT burn fuel. An engine that uses combinations of Physics Laws in essence THE ENGINE ITSELF IS THE FUEL. // The car engine is only one such engine there are others. This post explains why it works, using a steam-produced partial engine cylinder vacuum => http://www.energeticforum.com/92883-post4.html
      //
      5. My engines then represent a significant scientific step above where we are, huddled around tanks of fuel unable to venture out and stand up straight and tall. Continuing to use combustion engines degrades us as a species, keeps us down on the level of just slightly above the animals. Energy-wise we grope around like a sunlight-blinded possum crossing the interstate. //

      6. At this reduced level, degraded and lowered, we accept other things as "normal" such as WARS. That is why my engine has been argued and struggled against since 2003 when I saw how it would work without burning any fuel. Using my air+steam combination explosion engine leads to less war. Even happiness and satiety of the human spirit. //

      7. All of which means there's people who want us -all humans- to remain at a debased level of existence, a stomped down patch of weeds they tolerate, over medicate, stuff us with preservatives, genetic modified foods, BPA laced from cans and plastic bottles and all the rest, from human gene cloning to doping together human DNA with DNA of animals for instance we are now their lab rats. //

      In 2002 I embraced a revolutionary idea based on my Bible knowledge. This planet was created long before Man, so the laws of natural energy were set in stone, irreversible, irrevocable. God could take Man out of the garden but He did not destroy the garden's energy sources so amply provided, the many sources of Energy he had provided the first human couple. //

      I made it my business to find those energies and I did. Some of them I found from inventors who lived decades before me -Tesla, Floyd Sweet- having already also discovered better energies than mine, in 1987 harnessing cosmic energy My being an older male on disability, looked at as a washed up old relic doesn't give me position to build my ENGINES THAT ARE THE FUEL instead of burning fuel. //

      I decided to not let my shortcomings stop me from publishing my discoveries, and after some medical harms done me even more shortcomings later. After 7 years doing that publishing we still remain on pig slop HUDDLED AROUND A LIQUID WOOD CAMPFIRE FOR ENGINE WARMTH.

      But the Good News is that we are at a time in history prophesied for God's Kingdom to step in and save all those among us who believe in the Bible and that promised Kingdom. // All I ever was was a runner running ahead announcing a new level of glory about to be introduced to humankind => The AGE of PHYSICS FUEL. //

      Announcing a shadow of what Jesus is going to gift the faithful. My appearance with various zero pollution engine systems is a loving pre-warning from God to the unfaithful and the unbeliever that He did NOT have to do, in essence showing the rainbow before the flood this time. //

      Those ones who have gained God's favor will soon be walking through a world situation -protected by angels- called Armageddon, while all those loving these old ways will not. The choice is clear. //

      There are those who believe that Kingdom has not begun operating yet. That's incorrect; it has. There are those who are watching for the "Rapture" to come; that's incorrect, it has already come. They just didn't happen in our visible range of eyesight. So these people who think holding back my engines could force Jesus to do the Rapture is wrong since it has already happened, it happened in a different way than most ministers have told you => the true church was already lifted up into FIGURATIVE CLOUDS OF GREATER BIBLE KNOWLEDGE.

      Their level of Bible understanding was how they were raised up [above all other churches] not drawn up high flying into a cloud how silly does it get? //

      If you don't know these things you are in the wrong bunch that will not be protected by angels through Armageddon. I strongly suggest this is a time to reconsider the strength of your position. This old system is going to be trashed soon and only one system will remain => God's New System (see Daniel 2 vs 44). // It will raise us far above being the campfire burners this old system treadmills our lives away busied like ants to pay for fuel while we stand in the middle of this ENERGY-PROVIDED PARADISE IN BLINDNESS THE INDUSTRIALISTS AND BANKERS WANT TO CONTINUE.

      We call our buildings of worship Kingdom Halls. Most can be Googled or found in a phonebook directory. Those who want to avail themselves of a greater life and future should find one soon. //

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Gravity_Man:

      Until such time as the Kingdom makes the next moves then, we remain energy-strapped slaves looks like. Although in the last two years there has been a growing cry for the truth to be told. That could happen if the government was to get a sudden unexpected religious experience.

      Usually the man holding the top of the hill doesn't give any ground.

      So for now if we want lower energy bills we can turn off the heat in the winter, turn off the heatpump AC in the summer and drive less. The few remaining among us who still have Credit and a job can plunk down the $30k+ for a higher fuel mileage vehicle, and then drive less.

      Take a paring knife to this life til something better develops. But for those people in Florida about to have oil platforms (and natural gas) erected in their spitting distance you can wage the political fight of your lives if that's how you want to waste your life because the tanks aren't just in China anymore.

    • 2 years ago
  • RENGACORP
  • Gravity_Man
  • RENGACORP
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    • Gravity_Man:

      I put that together 48 hours before the Gulf of Mexico disaster. Of course. It's like anything else, we see it coming yet refuse to alter bad habits for the sake of our future. Human nature is predictably lazy with its progress. It is time for the dolphins to rise up while that "we're not gonna take it" song is blaring and start bitin ... aaahhhhhggh.....

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • RENGACORP:

      Our brain picks up on lots of stuff we are not conscious of. You may have heard the oil platform vibrations that went out sometime before the platform collapsed, perhaps a few days before when the supports began to crimp and break inside from stress. Like Superman out in Space hearing Lois cry as the car went into the ground eh?

      As for people being lazy gee, aren't we all? But today we have so much poisoning going on from food additives that spreads our good stuff in our blood farther apart. We have too much stuff in our bloodstream has no business being there and affects our judgement. As if that isn't enough we seem to be under the control of some guiding group we can't define much less stop.

      It's like being tied up in a car and somebody pushes the car over a cliff.

      Anyway, without a doubt you're a very sharp and gifted person.

    • 2 years ago
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  • Wetdog
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    • According to the National Response center, there were 33,800 spills of hazardous materials in 2008. About 90% of them were petroleum related. I read the reports on 12 randomly chosen spills. 11 of those reports were crude oil or refined petroleum products. The reports all involved spills of over 1,000 gallons---several in the hundreds and a few over 1 million gallons.

      If ethanol is spilled in water, it mixes with the water and is quickly diluted and dissipates unlike petroleum. We can run our vehicles on ethanol just the same as petroleum.

      If biodiesel (basically vegetable oil) gets spilled on land or water, it will be biodegraded(eaten) by bacteria. It is safe. It is edible. You eat biodiesel fuel everyday---if you eat something that contains corn, soybean, cannola or any other kind of vegetable oil or was prepared with it, you are eating biodiesel fuel. If you eat French fries, you are eating biodiesel fuel. The most common source of biodiesel fuel is waste oils used for food preparation. Go out and pour corn oil all over a place you want to grow a garden. It will be a problem at first, but within a few days to a couple weeks, bacteria will eat the oil. Your garden will come back just fine----probably even better than ever. Now, try that with petroleum diesel fuel. You'll never grow a garden there again for a LONG time, if ever. It just stays in the soil for years. We can run our vehicles on biodiesel, just the same as petroleum---in fact, diesel engines need no modifications at all to run on biodiesel----it is what Rudolf Diesel designed his first engine to run on, peanut oil.

      We can run our vehicles on methane, natural gas. We've been doing it for over 90 years. It is impossible to spill methane on land or water. It just blows away, it is a gas. And the same amount of energy from methane costs about 1/3 what it does if it comes from petroleum at current prices. Driving a vehicle on methane would cost you about 1/2 what it does to use gasoline---even after the cost of the conversion. And engines converted to run on compressed natural gas can still use liquid fuels----you just flip a switch to select which you want to use. If no compressed natural gas is available, you can use something else until you get somewhere you can fill up again. If you have a flex fuel engine, you can use ethanol, if you have a diesel engine, you could use biodiesel.

      We can have offshore drilling with no damage to the environment if we only allow drilling for natural gas and not crude oil.

      We can do anything with biofuels and methane that can be done with petroleum. And we can do it at less cost and almost no environmental damage. We have no need for petroleum, and all the environmental, political and economic damage it causes.

      I think we should get rid of using petroleum. One thing we could do is charge a $25 per barrel excise tax on petroleum crude oil to pay for the expenses that are charged off to taxpayers to have the government maintain the huge expense being prepared to respond to and clean up after accidents---just like this one. Maintaining ships, aircraft, helicopters, crews, training etc. etc. for the US Coast Guard and all the other agencies that have to respond and try to repair the damage from these spills is very expensive. It should be paid for by the oil companies that are profiting from the oil, not the taxpayers.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Wetdog:

      Glossing over an ethanol spill is different. I imagine fish is the stream might nor feel the way you do. Methane production and transport makes a jim dandy terorist target, truck and rail tankers would need a lot increased security than they have now, like ships, aircraft, helicopters, crews, training etc. etc. so the expense would still be there, heavier in fact and harder to do on Land with so many people around in the way.

      Good move grabbing top billing though. I would prefer No Cost fuel and No Environment Damage myself. Perhaps I'm a closet purist who just likes fresh air and cool clean running water, no more fuel interruptions.

      Ditto no need for crude oil petroleum. Make it so Number 1 (Obama).
      Get the underground black monkey off this world's back.
      Time to move on already.

    • 2 years ago
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    • Wetdog:

      Uhm Wetdog, if I had my druthers and any kind of explosion went off I'd prefer not sitting atop a tank of Methane or Hydrogen. Just sayin'.

      Farmers now, that's a different story since much methane is produced on site. They could power all their farm equipment and possibly set up big generators to power homes for miles around, plus their own. Milking operations use lots of electricity.

    • 2 years ago
  • Wetdog
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    • Gravity_Man:

      You would be far better off sitting on top of a tank of methane than gasoline or diesel fuel. Spill either gasoline or diesel and it will ignite regardless of how much there is until it has evaporated completely---a very long time in the case of diesel.

      Methane however has a very narrow ignition range---it will only ignite between 5%-15% methane/air mixture. Any mix not within this will not ignite or explode.

      Look it up.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Wetdog:

      Look it up? Whyever for? My engine will spin a generator and turn wheel-mounted motors. I don't need to be a Chemist => you do. You're the one selling explosives riding between people's legs, not me.

      You might as well be selling nitroglycerin & a hand grenade motor.

      Ain't no person out here with a working brain gonna drive down the highway with that volatile a payload like a solid fuel rocket under their hiney.

    • 2 years ago
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    • I live on the West Coast of FL and they want to drill 6-8 miles off the coast of our beaches and mangroves that have already suffered oil spills in the past! I am concerned for first environment and then of course our economy which is tourist based.

    • 2 years ago
  • iknowithink
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      iknowithink  
    • And Obama wants to drill more off our coasts?! I love the guy but I just don't think drilling is worth the risk; this being one example of destroying the ecology of our water systems.

    • 2 years ago
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    • Sokka:

      The "fragile Gulf ecosystem" ~where they built the oil rig~ is a tad bit high on the STUPID METER that it was even there plus now leaking 1,000 barrels of crude oil from several points.

      That's Stupid, in the flesh, ruining the Earth, with more like it on the way. Sure, we will always need oil but not as much if all vehicles were using my engine. And the rest of oil we need can be acquired from plant sources such as a super oily algae, which making and growing would make many thousands of jobs we don't presently have.

      The Stupid is beginning to pile up, against the further use of "natural" crude oil that should remain in the ground providing tectonic plates the lubrication they require not the SALTWATER pumped down to replace the drilled oil.

      Saltwater that can make a giant BATTERY. Need I type Stupid again?.

    • 2 years ago
  • Sokka
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    • Sokka:

      It's people like you who are now trashing the planet. Crude Oil is a buffer between us and what's on the other side that we should want to keep on the other side. Underground oil probably provides a little lubrication that saltwater does not provide. Then when the saltwater gradually -or quickly- penetrates porous cavern walls you're left with a big empty space under the ground we live on.

      I know a way to make a much more powerful fuel than gasoline, without pollution and not having to drill.

      It has so far been above this world's know it alls to understand. Your crude oil industry buddies haven't been able to understand it since 2003. So every so often they manage to ground a full tanker or collapse a safe oil drilling platform. It's their big answer. I just know there's better and they don't want anyone to have it, simple as that, so tie everybody up and dunk em in the public square every day.

    • 2 years ago
  • Sokka
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    • Sokka:

      Oil is a liquid. Under the pressure down there it is also a lubricant to all that weight. Pumping saltwater down there to push every remaining drop of oil up is a poorly thought out idea. We might could still use some crude oil, since there is evidence the planet creates it ongoing, but it has become apparent we have juiced the orange too dry.

      My engine makes a combination "fuel" of steam and compressed air. The resulting explosion is above the power of a tornado.

    • 2 years ago
  • Angel_Loebenberg
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    • Angel_Loebenberg:

      There's not been a need for any OPEC oil since 2003, the year I figured out the failings of a 1997 nitrogen-powered engine. The engine process for using steam and compressed air is fully explained in this one short page =>

      http://www.energeticforum.com/92883-post4.html

      I've been writing about it ever since fixing it in 2003 but I added a few insights in this post that should put the engine over the wall. What oil we use outside of engines can be grown. There's an algae that over produces a very super oily substance. M.I.T. and others have been working on it a good while now.

      The oil used in my engine can be any light vegetable oil because the engine doesn't get hot, so the oil viscosity never breaks down.

      And since it's a "closed system" no dirt ever gets to the oil, so the oil used should last a good 100 years, and Florida doesn't have to be surrounded by Indians oops, oil platforms.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Gravity_Man:

      Steam engines gave nuclear powered ships and subs a run for their money but my engine that uses steam is not a "steam engine". It's more like an air pressure enhanced engine.

      Steam is no longer the "Prime Mover" in my engine. Liquid air is the prime mover; steam is a catalyst to the air. And yet the air is a catalyst also to the steam, criss cross, a dual catalyst fuel, both directions a power magnification.

      My engine should have much more power than previous steam engines ever had, but without any pollution.

      And no oil drillers blown off into the ocean, or coal miners buried a mile in the ground. But that's my other engine.

    • 2 years ago
  • Sokka
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    • Sokka:

      The weather we have -and earthquakes- going on today are caused by what has gone down for years, even a decade or more. A more immediate positive effect would be cessation of needing any imported oil.

      If & when the solar flares increase, enough to cause most combustion engine cars to quit in the road, a "Physics Fuel" powered engine would keep running.

      You have an attitude issue there. It won't help that.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Gravity_Man:

      And since "the enemy" would know their strike wouldn't knock out all your vehicles on the highway they would likely be deterred from doing it in the first place. Unless they also hate Bill Gates still holding a grudge over Windows 95 going blue screen every 30 days.

    • 2 years ago
  • EmperorThan
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    • CalgarC:

      Answer => Never. Your balls are in their vice, your paycheck in their pocket. I fail to see where you have any leverage. What they have is Nikolai Tesla's papers from the '30's and '40's telling them how to give every human on Planet Dirt all the power they could ever use.

      But you don't deserve it. Not now anyway. They're holding it back just like they're holding Floyd Sweet's similar invention of the Vacuum Triode Amplifier he had working in 1987. I realize pronouncing all that causes people today puffed full of pot smoke a problem but that's too bad.

      Tesla and Mr. Sweet were gods of energy and they gave it to us, but someone ran across in front of us and intercepted the game balls.

      They've been grabbing your balls ever since.
      They've been grabbing your balls ever since.
      They've been grabbing your balls ever since.

      It occurred to me last night a very good reason they could be hoarding up so many fantastic energy sources. In order to sustain the public's support of NASA they've gotten a lotta mileage out of the microwave oven. Apparently they have decided that holding back inventions of long ago gives them leverage over the masses... to squeeze your taxpaying balls for more & more NASA money.

      The keywords here are leverage and your balls. As the Space endeavor continues, and you never get to go there, whenever the public tax paying citizen begins grousing too loud (aka whining) about the monies being spent, all they need do is release another new trinket energy. By that I mean they take Tesla's or Sweet's energy discoveries, castrate and hobble them down so they barely eke out a little energy, and Voila!

      Your taxes in their pockets are assured another 25 years.

      It's all very scientific my man.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Gravity_Man:

      As the play unfolds sit back and enjoy the utter elegance of what they have masterminded over everybody's balls AND incomes! They get to play Space Cowboys and you get to work til you're 93. I get the pleasure of inventing pollution-negative engines and when they reach some arbitrary milestone in Space they'll dole out some piece of crap invention pre-hobbled for you to feed on that they know will keep you happy.

      It's a plan worthy of oops better not say that. Everybody here is real college book learned and SMART so they know he can't possibly exist. Well, doesn't matter. American taxpayer, corner pocket, forever.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • CalgarC:

      If, perchance, you smarten up to the game you'll learn how to see the next move before it happens. Like, right now, they're holding back their best plays (football plays). They're holding back making it legal to smoke pot. When they see the other team Citizen Dummies of Oakland about to blitz hard they'll make a small move that tricks you out to think you're about to get the ball.

      In football that's called a quarterback sneak, except they've given it a variation that allows them to do it over & over while you're running all over the field trying to find your balls.

      It's all very interesting ta watch.

    • 2 years ago
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    • Gravity_Man:

      And it's also interesting how they're keeping all the young people signing up and getting maimed and busted up inside. You don't even have your best players. They're overseas and/or benched, or in a grave.

      Damn intelligent plan if you ask me.

    • 2 years ago
  • TypicalStereotype
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  • bailey78
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      bailey78  
    • We must remember WE are the cause of this WE are the ones that are using the oil an gas they drill for. So untill We do something to change the way WE live WE will have things like this happening.

    • 2 years ago
  • hack26
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    • bailey78:

      We could start burning up cars like they do in France. I suggest we start with yours Bailey. Action Jackson sing along every body => to Bailey's place we go, to Bailey's place we go, hi ho a derry oh to Bailey's place we go. Help us out here and lv the license plate. No wait, forget that. You'd give us your mother in law's we know that trick.

      We'll put our best man on your case. His last name is Sherman, from a long line of Shermans I'm given to understand.

    • 2 years ago
  • bailey78
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    • Gravity_Man:

      well yes thats a plan. I'm not sure if it's the right one but it is a plan. Besides My truck just died. I have to deside if I want to put another motor in it or get another truck.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • bailey78:

      Wish I had that choice. I lack the credit. This old 77 Ford Maverick never was my choice. Mom left it. But it gets me around. What th heck. I put a 3500 lb rated hitch on it 10 years ago so I can rent anything I want when needed.

    • 2 years ago
  • bailey78
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    • bailey78:

      We pay for it to continue every movie ticket, every iPod, every piece of garbage they put out, we pay for it, encouraging the same ol to stay the same ol. When we buy a movie ticket showing new adventures in Outer Space it gives them the funding to send military weaponry up there.

      They sent some up just today in fact. Poster Almibry I believe it was mentioned the military is holding back pictures they're taking in space. Well, there ya go dunces & duncees. It's no longer taxpayer money it's their money, their space flights, their future. They live the icing on the cake and we get what the dogs leave.

      And new improved microwave ovens to satisfy the screaming.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • Gravity_Man:

      Their big plan in case you've lost track is to get out in Space and then give you my engines I already invented, and claiming it was from "Space Travel" they were invented.

      hahahaha Americans, they kill me man. Pickin' up pawpaws puttin' em in a basket uh-huh. Yassah Boss, thank ya Mastah. Yes, you can have my daughter for the night.

    • 2 years ago
  • bailey78
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    • bailey78:

      Two door. Mom got the full package, including AM radio. It has the vinyl white top and white vinyl strip down the sides. It's only taken one hit, from when I was merging onto the interstate and the right tire blew. The casing came around and dented near the bottom some.

      Standard three gear automatic on the column. Geared low enough to pull tree stumps out of the ground. Terrible gas mileage, but if somebody was to rig a 2nd trannie behind it for more gears heck, maybe 30-45 a gallon on the highway. Apparently everybody and their brother knows how to do it but me.

      It's similar to what some big trucks have. They call it the granny gear for pulling mountains in Kentucky and West Virginia... except the Mav is short the higher gears.

      What I'd really like to do is get a truck or van to live in and hit the road, put my stuff in storage and motel jump a while. Right now all my disability money goes into this apartment, after electricity we're talking close to $800 a month flushed away.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
  • bailey78
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    • Gravity_Man:

      damn man that sounds like a nice car. They make great Hot Rods. You need to find a four speed automatic for it. thats the one with the overdrive that will get you better gas Mileage. I'm willing to bet it has a 3:55 rear end under it that why it gets the bad gas Mileage. They came with a 2:75 an a 3:55 rear end. My little truck that just died had about 300,000 miles on it. I only put about twenty thousand on it. so to only have 106,000 that just getting broke in good.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • bailey78:

      She just about did it in with City driving but I put some additives in it a while back and when they kicked in it got much better power. I had a new rear axle put under it but it didn't seem to help the mileage, back in the 90's. I think if I put a smaller diameter tire on the back it would do better mileage (pulling off, more torque less gas).

      I'm not putting any more bucks in it. I don't like the car no matter what mpg. It's too low to the ground for somebody my size to drop down into the seat. The seat! It's a stupid bench seat! It would take $7500.00 to fix this car then... I'd still have this car.

    • 2 years ago
  • Gravity_Man
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    • bailey78:

      I've been told hot rodders like the C-4 transmission it probably has in it. There's a guy local here who fixed his up, painted it black, very nice looking too. I've seen about 6 other Mavs around here, if they're still running. Most are cheap compared to this one, the metal looks thin.

    • 2 years ago
  • bailey78
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    • bailey78:

      Well, you could think of it as an opportunity to put a different engine in it. But, we've gotten too old for mess like that eh? I could have a new 6 put in the Mav too, but then if I wanted to pull something... take out my neighbors favorite apple tree late one night.

    • 2 years ago
  • bailey78
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    • Gravity_Man:

      I would have to pay for the engine swap. I messed my back up so bad I'm just happy the days I can walk straght. I went from Being a Hand to being Busted in a blink of an eye. When I mow the yard I'm screwed for two or three days. But hey Life goes on. Yee Haa

    • 2 years ago
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    • Obama to Open Offshore Areas to Oil Drilling for First Time

      WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is proposing to open vast expanses of water along the Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and the north coast of Alaska to oil and natural gas drilling, much of it for the first time, officials said Tuesday.
      The proposal — a compromise that will please oil companies and domestic drilling advocates but anger some residents of affected states and many environmental organizations — would end a longstanding moratorium on oil exploration along the East Coast from the northern tip of Delaware to the central coast of Florida, covering 167 million acres of ocean.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/science/earth/31energy.html

    • 2 years ago
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    • KSirys:

      Where I live they build a couple of them every couple years. they are one of the largest employers around here. Some of the worlds largest offshore platforms that are built are built here in the South Texas area.

    • 2 years ago
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