Obama: Ariz. Immigration Measure 'misguided'

OK, but big business loves the current situation and puts up a fight in washington, and what about those already here? then how do you explain it all to the raciest people that have most of the money and do the voting.

Send them all back, have the Supreme Court review the anchor baby laws and send them back too. They are illegals too and should be seen as pawns in a plan to evade and subvert the law.

Democrats won't let that happen: full amnesty means more voters. While Republicans are backed by those companies, no?

But the problem is nobody "sees" white or light skinned people as even possibly being here illegally. Also the bill specifically violates the current federal law by making LEGAL citizens show proof of citizenship as well.

Also once again--unless you are a member of a Native American tribe--its a good guess your ancestors came here illegally and basically just went on a massive land grab to deny the people who actually lived here legally their right to own land, raise their families in peace, and have a job, and to practice freedom of religion, and you know generally find their own path that lead to the pursuit of happiness.

Yeah, who is really gonna carry their birth certificate around everywhere? And if they do itll probly get lost and then theyd have to wait to get a new one printed which im sure is a bitch and three halves to deal with.
Oh well....maybe this way all the colored people will ditch AZ and when they are left with nothing but white people they'll finally realize how much they need the balance of races.

The division in this country is growing. It is fueled by people such as Obama and Pelosi and their drive to destroy this country. Electing Obama was "misguided" We have an opportunity in November to mitigate this mistake. We need to make the most of it.

No actually--the Supreme Court appointing George W. Bush President over the will of the popular voters was "misguided"--and constantly bitching that President Obama and Nancy Pelosi are the root of all evil is "misguided". Seriously--RELAX.

Its not like President Obama or Speaker Pelosi are going to be in office forever-- take a basic civics class or Google democracy-- despite claims to the contrary we do not live in a dictatorship--so at the very most President Obama has only 6 1/2 more years in office before he gets kicked to the curb and labeled "former President" of the United States and in about 10 years nobody will remember him aside from history majors and the Jr high students writing their first report on previous Presidents.

That and I agree the division in this country is growing--but its mostly because people nowadays believe that freedom of speech means yell and scream and call people names and if they still don't agree with you threaten violence or carry a gun to political protest rallies because we all know guns don't kill people--people who are pissed off and violent kill people (and yet history shows time and time again nothing gets people more pissed off and violent than discussing politics--except maybe discussing religion--but I digress).

Honestly regardless of political affiliation---calling people names and labeling their political views in negative terms is not helpful and is not a way to promote open discussion about the bigger issues of what is going wrong within our country.

See Jon Stewart's Daily Show clip from last week as an example of my point--he said basically yes he agrees the media outside of FOX news has done a lousy job of covering the Tea Party and has generalized them and mocked them unfairly based on a few fringe members of their group--and that to do that is indeed wrong. BUT then he went on to point out that FOX news constantly attacks and generalizes liberals and progressives based on a few fringe members of those groups and that too is wrong--and what response did he get? Oh yeah--he was attacked personally and told his audience was a bunch of elitists without a clue.

Unfortunately for you and those who think like you this is not Nazi Germany where the polizei und der Gestapo could demand to see "if your papers were in order"...

but this is a step in that direction

it is your assertion that pelosi and obama sought high office with the intent of destroying the country?im just saying thier are alot of ways someone can destroy something, usually it isnt by sacrificing your personal life in the name of it.its like the loons on the campaign trail who claimed obama was a terrorist. as if his goal was to blow up the white house and us electing him as pres was his vehicle.

how come 400 hundred years of broken border policy getting fixed is dependant on getting rid of obama?the state of affairs in immigration legislation hasnt been been faulty cuz obama has been leading it for 400 yrs. democrats republicans and even whigs have failed equaly in this arena.

"It gives the police the power and the mandate to investigate someone for possible violation of federal and state immigration laws if they already have someone stopped for another reason."

Wrong. Either you haven't read the bill, don't understand legalese or just parrot what Beck tells you. Allow me to help you.

HB 1070 ARTICLE 8. ENFORCEMENT OF IMMIGRATION LAWS

B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL (which means anytime the police speak to you outside your house) OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT(are they brown? do they have an accent? are they listening to mariachi music?) IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE(when the officer feels like it), TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON(of course that wouldn't take much time). THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON
38 IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED
39 ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE(such as being an illegal alien) THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

So to review, if an officer thinks you might be an illegal, based on any logic or lack thereof, they can jam you up. They can then use the exact same logic or lack thereof to actually arrest you.

Next time you want to comment on a bill you should read it first, or you might be just as wrong in the future as you are now.

sad but true

Federal law requires non-citizen holders of "green cards" to carry them when they are out and about. The AZ law says an officer can inquire about the citizenship status if, while in contact with a person due to reasonable suspicion that that person may have committed a crime, facts asre revealed to him that lead the discussion to the status issue. It does not give a green light to mass checkpoints for this purpose.
Whether one "sees" light skinned people as being here illegally is not germane to the issue. Race is not addressed as an issue in the law. The law is not racist. I have more problems with government agents asking for ones "papers" than most do here but the fact remains that the feds have abdicated their responsibility to adhere to their Constitutional mandateto protect the states from invasion..

My point is that President Obama and Speaker Pelosi are temporary office holders and that Patarus is misguided in thinking that illegal immigration is an issue that they are personally responsible for solving or that they even have any political capital left after the health care debacle to actually deal with. Also its a good guess the real reason they have not brought up a major revision to immigration laws is they really don't care for the idea of getting shot or seriously threatened just for proposing policy changes.

I agree with you that the Federal government has a right to protect us from invasion or attack by terrorists--but Timothy McVeigh was a natural born US citizen as was the guy who recently flew his plane into the IRS office in Austin-- and the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 were Muslim and from Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan and Pakistan. The so called Underwear Bomber was from Nigeria. The so called shoe bomber was from England (I think) -- the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor by flying here from their home country in planes with only enough fuel to go one way--the North Koreans have created missiles they claim can reach California...but I have yet to hear of any large scale killing of US citizens by illegal immigrant terrorists from Mexico--although before you flame me--yes there have been drug lord killings on both sides of the border--but that's more like an episode of the Sopranos or the Godfather than a preplanned terrorist attack against the legal offices of or the current workers for the US government.

So yes this law is racist and unconstitutional and "misguided"--because it is aimed at racially profiling ONLY those immigrants that live in or drive through Arizona while looking or acting suspiciously illegal--even though Arizona has not been threatened or attacked by international or home-grown terrorists seeking to overthrow the ENTIRE US government.

Obviously slowly but surely it's turning into that for some of us

Democrats have to tread lightly on issues like this? Well at least we can all agree the Republicans / Neo-Conservatives screwed up real big on the entire situation, so they've pretty much lossed the little hope they had for the up-coming elections. I'm getting excited just thinking about the elections, and how we might be able to really get the Neo-Conservatives and Corporate Democrats out of public office.

Democrats will probably take a hit this November. That's not what I want to see, that's just how most political analysts are saying it's going to be. Hopefully they are wrong, but people have legitimate concerns about immigration. Their are a lot of reasonable people who probably support this bill.

well just remember that torture stuff, the us is becoming known for its hypocrisy.

Would it still be racial profiling if the law applied to everyone who commits a crime, regardless of race?

Protecting her citizens? What about the legitimate Hispanic-Latino-American citizens? If she wanted to protect her citizens, she would go after those who choose to hire the illegal immigrants, not racially profile everyone. How bout you just answer slarabee's question;

- "You mean 'she is protecting her WHITE citizens', and, that's all that really matters, right?"

protecting them from ?all americans south of the border of mexico posses an inherant threat?
right now a white woman in queens new york is alive because a homeless imigrant stepped into a mugging and got stabbed to protect this victim.no illegals at all means shed be dead instead.the threat is indiginous.

perfectly stated!

I fear your misguided my friend because unless your Native American guess what...

your an immigrant too :)

How exactly do you suggest we secure our borders? Building a giant multimillion dollar fence along the Mexico/Arizona border isn't going to keep illegals out--and it did not and will not prevent terrorists from North Korea or Afghanistan or Pakistan or Yemen or Nigeria or some home grown militia from attacking us.

Also did I miss it--has Phoenix or any part of Arizona been attacked on a large scale by terrorists illegal immigrants from Mexico?

I say if any state has the right to enforce harsh large scale laws prohibiting illegal immigrants from coming into their state to commit terrorist acts--its New York.