'Most-Hated,' Anti-Gay Preacher Once Fought for Civil Rights
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By John Blake, CNN
May 5, 2010 4:05 p.m. EDT
Editor's note: To accurately portray the subject of this article and his critics, offensive language is quoted.
(CNN) -- He is the leader of "America's most hated family," a gaunt, craggy-faced preacher who displays "God Hates Fags" signs at the funerals of American troops, gay men and AIDS victims.
For at least 12 years, the Rev. Fred Phelps has led his Topeka, Kansas, church on a cross-country crusade against gays and lesbians. That crusade ignited a legal battle that has reached the U.S. Supreme Court.
But there is another Phelps that few know. He was a "brilliant" civil rights attorney in the 1960s who would take on racial discrimination cases that no other lawyers would touch, say longtime African-American civic leaders in Topeka.
He fought for the rights of blacks, they say, with the same passion he now reserves for the condemnation of gays.
"I don't know him anymore," says Joe Douglas Jr., an African-American activist in Topeka who became the city's first minority fire department chief.
"I see him out there, and I hear the venom that comes out of his mouth. If you had asked me in the '60s if he would do this, I would have said never."
The Rev. Ben Scott, president of the NAACP's Topeka branch, says he never heard Phelps talk about homosexuals during his work as a civil rights attorney.
Phelps declined to talk with CNN about his civil rights work or his ministry. But his daughter, Shirley Phelps-Roper, says there is no contradiction between her father's civil rights work and his ministry. That's because there's a distinct difference between gay people and black people, she says.
"You're born black. It's something you can't change even if you're Michael Jackson," she says. "God never said it was an abomination to be black."
Most of the members of Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church are members of his large family. Phelps has 13 children; 11 are attorneys. One son, Nate Phelps, is estranged from his father, and from organized religion. He is an atheist.
"He preached that we were the chosen ones but then he went out and treated people horribly," Nathan Phelps says.
His father first attracted national headlines in 1998 at the funeral of Matthew Shepard, a Wyoming college student. Shepard was tortured and murdered for being gay. Fred Phelps and his church picketed Shepard's funeral, carrying signs that said Shepard was rotting in hell.
In 2006, members of Phelps' church appeared at the funeral of an American Marine killed in Iraq carrying signs reading "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" and shouting at mourners.
Phelps' church claims the deaths are God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.
The family of the Marine sued Phelps' church the next year, alleging invasion of privacy, intentional infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy. The case went to trial and a jury awarded the family $2.9 million in compensatory damages plus $8 million in punitive damages, which were reduced to $5 million.
That verdict, however, was reversed when Phelps' church appealed. In March, Supreme Court justices accepted an appeal from the father of the fallen Marine. The court is being asked to address how far entities such as cemeteries and churches can go in restricting demonstrators' right to free speech.
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controlusplease
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ahh, the hippocracy, isn't it so refreshing in this day and age of being "politically correct"?
Maybe someday he'll realize he's the racist George Wallace to gays/lesbians.I doubt it.
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controlusplease
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JStation
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You know, Phelps, God is a little gay too. :)
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pukemnukem
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I like Fred Phelps and his kin. Wait...hear me out. He basically extends the accepted discrimination and insanity of Christianity to a more extreme level, but he isn't saying anything that can't be justified by the bible. I guess that is one of the things people like about it...its so damn ambiguous that any human behavior can be both supported and condemned by it.
But the main reason I like this cat is that he is normalizing society's acceptance of homosexuals. When confronted by the living embodiment of hate, people are force to confront their own feelings. What I mean is, has anyone ever seen the Westboro protests and thought "Hey...I want to be apart of that"...no of course not. Whether Phelps realizes this or not, he has done more for the acceptance of homosexuals than any other single entity just by the fact he makes intolerance look fucking batshit crazy.
He has a right to look like a complete ass and be the living face of ignorance. Its easy to defend speech you agree with...its the stupid shit you disagree with that needs to be defended. Not supported...but the right to say it needs to be defended. Rock on you crazy fucking bastard...
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pukemnukem
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jubal
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I think Colbert gave the funniest delivery on this story. Its so much more delicious to relish the irony.
http://current.com/news/92418150_another-conservative-hypocrite-george-rekers-an...
The clip is hilarious. Watch the Alpha Dog of the Week.
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jubal
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UtopianSky
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Sometimes the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia don't manifest until later in life. Black people benefited from his health, gays are suffering from his illness.
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This is absolutely ridiculous. It is not his place to cast judgment on ANYONE.
It is our job to love thy enemy, not show up at their funeral and make this rough time for their family even worse.
It is our job to love 'em, and God's job to judge them.
Such Christianly people should be aware of that and act on it. - 2 years ago
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randallr01
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"You're born black. It's something you can't change even if you're Michael Jackson," she says. "God never said it was an abomination to be black."
.... Yet the Bible says it's okay to own slaves. And the Religious used that fact as justification to buy & sell Blacks, back in the day. And now they've just shifted their focus to Gays. So it's really just a case of "SSDD" (same sh*t, different day).
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randallr01:
Additionally, MJ *did* change the color of his skin, and his entire physical appearance.... So what is she saying, exactly? That skin color goes deeper than that? Are the internal organs of Blacks different than those of Whites?
Is she a bigot? Yes.
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randallr01:
The Bible does not condone slavery, nor does it justify it.
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iloveflynn:
ROFL! Yes it does! It mentions slavery so many times, and there are many verses on it.... So many, in fact, that I don't even need to post a link/source. Go look it up yourself.
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you know, if it wasnt the gays, it would be some other work of the devil they dont approve of. Christianity is a hypocritical religion. Like the Crusades, and many other "holy wars" have killed countless amounts of live yet they preach thou shall not kill. not thou shall kill a infidel. They should have let them self be killed in the dark ages when fighting over Jerusalem, they would be going to a better place then earth right? Religion is a system to keep us all in line, even though if people just stopped and think about how much of a physiological attack religion is and is not needed.
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NothingIsAbsoluteTruth:
Christianity has and this guy have nothing to do with each other. He's just off his nut.
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NothingIsAbsoluteTruth:
I would say people in general are pretty hypocritical. This guy just sounds like he has mental health issues.
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NothingIsAbsoluteTruth:
Those "holy wars" were started by the Roman Catholic church. The Catholic church has been, and still is a political entity. It's an incredibly corrupt institution. The Catholic church preaches and teaches things that are not in the Bible, as well as practicing and condoning things that are denounced by the Bible.
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iloveflynn:
There were "Holy Wars" before the Romain Catholic Church existed.
"The Bible" was created by selections made by several councils which each created a version. Additionally there are several translation irregularities for example the "English" language versions of "The Bible" erroneously use different words "Easter and passover" which in most other language versions including the original text are the same exact word.
BTW "NothingIsAbsoluteTruth" point is about how religion is mostly about power and control -- Some how its believed that as long as its in "the name of GOD" then intolerance is ok. (discrimination is now a maligned word which is really about choosing between things )
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His daughter goes 'God never said it was an abomination to be black'
I believe he did say something about casting judgement on others though and something else about how the only way to God is through Jesus and Jesus is actually just love but the RIGHT KIND DAMNIT! - 2 years ago
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This church even picketed Virginia Tech, saying that they deserved what happened there. It's very upsetting, and I don't know if I'll ever understand preaching through hatred. It is all very confusing to me.
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shouldn't a rogue biker gang be riding around with wbc skulls on their motorcycles by now?
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animalia_libero's post: Thank you for that info.. Now there is a perfectly logical explanation: HE WANTS to be SUED. He can Profit from it with counter lawsuits. Dont be manipulated. You have to admit though, there is no better way to hit a nerve than what he is doing. Granted I would have no choice but to feed him his eyes if he arrived at a loved ones funeral. Love is the only effective weapon against people like this. Thankfully THEY are the true minority. - 2 years ago
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Yeah I have heard of this guy and his church. I am from Missouri so its kind of close. I am not gay but I am in the military. When this guy gets busted for picking up a male prostitute don't say I didn't warn ya. I can just image that people just want this guy to shut the Fugg up. If he ever starts picketing me for masturbating then we are gonna have problems. I can see why some guys around here are gay anyways. Most of the women are dogs... not pretty. Really I cant live in some uber up tight white washed southern inbred utopia. I gotta have some flavor baby, then hey, if that means I gotta live around some people I dont completely agree with then fine. No sweat off my back. I mean its like this
" Eternal hell and good tunes or eternal heaven and new kids on the fu*^ing block...... Im gonna be surfing on the lake of fire rockin out" Bill Hicks
I am not a redneck. I am from a suburban neighborhood and I love my freedoms. I don't like pushy people who want to shove their lifestyle on me. First its the gays but later it might be the Atheists and the people who believe in evolution. What then? Where do I go. What do I do when they want to picket me for thinking my own thoughts? - 2 years ago
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clovernuts:
I like your post clovernuts one thing though
unfortunately those who believe in evolution need to picket more because of this
evolution is from SCIENCE and somehow RELIGION (aka personal beliefs) has managed to de-separate itself from public school and insist on dictating the SCIENCE curriculum
"Go back to your room Galileo and stay there until we apologize to you 173 years later."
Big ups on the heaven and hell comment though I've always felt that way. I used to tell my preacher when I was a kid exactly that kind of stuff. - 2 years ago
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parisinla
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This isnt news.. ive known this for a while now...
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As far as I can tell this idiot is consistent is his feeling. He doesn't think skin tone is that important. But lets be honest this guy has plenty of other problems
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Zwiggle:
no. Since he's left the civil rights movement hes been far more hatefull twards people of color.
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god says a lot of things. that doesn't mean he is right.
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RoBot_rOcKer:
Not once in the Bible does it say God hates any person.
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LOL some Christians are so stupid.
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Sapience:
Actually to combat the WBC they wore these large angel wings constructed out of pipes and cloth that would block out the protesters. They also plugged their ears, of course.
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crispyfritters
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It doesn't matter what he did back then. It's what he's doing now that matters. It is deliciously ironic, however.
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EmperorThan
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"And that's when he realized his true calling ...Bigotry"
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lock him in a cell with bruno
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I just wrote some of the most hateful things I may have ever thought of and then decided not to post it. Suffice to say that Phelps and his sad, sick, twisted, insane brood make me feel nothing but hate — especially his daughter, who may be worse than Phelps itself.
THEY are the abominations.
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Sapience:
hate against cruelty is different from a bigot's hate against innocent humans trying to find love...not agreeing with and hating this decrepit jangle jowled bigot is a good thing and you know damn well something should be done...yeah he has a right to spew diarrhea from his lips but he is motivating people to hate, he motivates uneducated bible thumpers to hate homosexuals and others to hate him...SHOOT HIM IN THE FACE, SAVE ENOUGH AMMO FOR HIS FOLLOWERS!!!
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Sapience:
Because he is condemning individuals for their actions, while Phelps condemns entire groups of people because of who they are.
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BKsaysAction
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I bet he's gay....
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shakes_head
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god hates hate.
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shakes_head:
...see god hate...hate god hate!
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homophobes are so only out of personal shame. come out of the closet already! it's OK! everybody knows, nobody cares!
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dariusvons
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"God Hates Fags" lol you crack me up! I love this sort of crap! hey homophobic morons! aren't we (all humans) supposedly made in gods image? how can you say anything like that?
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dariusvons:
I agree; it seems to me that the God these people worship is a failure.... Creating all these gay creatures & then condemning them for it!
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Sapience:
In all my years of Christian education, I've never heard that one. Your point of view sounds to be Catholic (or of Catholic origin). So even in Christianity, there would be people who disagree with this statement of yours.
(And when I put on my Christian hat, I do not agree with you, either. But hey! That's what Religion is for, right? To talk about who is right and who isn't!)
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Sapience:
I'm fairly certain that the Bible says that God created Jesus in human form.
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I don't remember the bible say anything about rape when it comes to homosexuality. If someone were to anally rape this Phelps guy (yes, I'm encouraging this), would he still have to be stoned to death? I always ask stupid questions like this because the believers never know how to answer.
Praise Zombie Jesus!
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chinese_democracy:
Where did the stoning come in? Not all "believers" are like Mr. Phelps my friend. This man and his following are the stain and burden that those who actually live a life of love as Jesus intended have to deal with. I am in no way a supporter of these haters and to have them grouped in with people like me is irritating and shameful. I can't wait to picket this mans funeral and would love to see the look on his face when he tries to explain to the God I believe exists all his hateful crimes that he did in his name.
Just sayin'.... - 2 years ago
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We need a world where everyone leaves each other alone along with tolerance.
This cannot come through coercion and force, this cannot come through government.
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Muthafucka gotz it .
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mrpibb19
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He is obviously not a Christian. Christ's love is absent from his religion.
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mrpibb19:
Christ was the Prince of Peace.... then why do so many "Christians" push for war?!?
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shanklinmike:
You need to stop swinging from Ron Paul's nuts.
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mrpibb19:
Christ's love is absent from the religion of most people who label themselves "Christian".
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seriously psychologically ill people - filled with hatred, fear, and anger. I am shocked that they haven't poisoned themselves to death yet with their vile way of life. they indoctrinate their children into this - holding "god hates fags" signs, etc...couldn't something be done about this, for social services to take the children away?
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a man filled with so much selfish hate has little room for compassion, love or understanding.
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This guy is dangerously intelligent. Eleven children are attorneys and he made money on civil rights lawsuits. Seems opportunistic. I think his true God is money and power over his little church.
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I can't help bust suspect these Westbro people of trolling... With the weird way they do things, I don't think they're entirely sincere. I wouldn't be surprised if their whole purpose was to deliberately make homophobia look really, really bad by making themselves an extreme example.
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ozoneocean:
It would only be Fre Phlep's that was in on it if it was, but my guess is its some severe form of dementia.
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PART TWO...
In Topeka, longtime civil rights activists say they were accustomed to seeing Phelps fight another type of battle in the courts.
By the time Phelps moved to Topeka in 1954, it had become the launching ground for the modern civil rights movement. That was the year the U.S. Supreme Court banned segregation in public schools with its historic Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education decision.
Jack Alexander, a Topeka native and civil rights activist, says the Brown decision opened the door for discrimination suits. Phelps would take cases in the 1960s that other lawyers, black and white, wouldn't touch, he says.
"Back in that era, most black attorneys were busy trying to make a living," says Alexander, who attended Topeka's high school when the Brown case was filed and went on to become the first black person elected to Topeka's water commission.
"They couldn't take those cases on the chance they wouldn't get paid. But Fred was taking those cases."
Phelps was so successful that he became the first lawyer blacks would call when they thought they were being discriminated against, says the NAACP's Scott.
"Most blacks -- that's who they went to," Scott says. "I don't know if he was cheaper or if he had that stick-to-it-ness, but Fred didn't lose many back then."
Douglas, the Topeka civil rights activist and former fire chief, says Phelps was such a "brilliant attorney" that he made enemies.
"He made a fortune on all those cases," Douglas says. "All the businesses hated him because he was so successful. I think if they discriminated against Martians, he would have done those cases. He could make money."
Douglas says he had no clue then about Phelps' attitude toward gays and lesbians.
God never said it was an abomination to be black.
--Shirley Phelps-Roper, Phelps' daughter"He didn't even talk about that," Douglas says. "As long as I've known him, I never heard him discuss it, but now it's his whole life."
Phelps' daughter says her father took up civil rights cases because of his upbringing. Phelps was born in the Deep South during segregation.
"He grew up in Mississippi seeing the way they treated black people," Phelps-Roper says.
Her father didn't adopt the same racist beliefs only "because of the mercy of God."
Having people hate them is nothing new for Phelps and his family, she says. People shot out their windows and threatened her father because he stood up for blacks in Kansas.
After her father delivered an editorial on local television one night bemoaning white racism, she says, the phone rang.
"When I picked up that phone, somebody is screaming nigger lover in my ear," she says. "That sticks with you. That's not the first time nor the last time I heard that."
Phelps was disbarred in 1979 by the Kansas Supreme Court after he became the subject of a complaint alleging witness badgering. The court wrote: "The seriousness of the present case coupled with his previous record leads this court to the conclusion that respondent has little regard for the ethics of his profession."
Phelps-Roper contends her father was disbarred in Kansas state court for standing up for blacks.
"Those people hated us for that work," she says. "The state hated us for it. They could hardly bring themselves to be civil because we won those verdicts."
Phelps' critics now despise him for another reason -- his anti-gay activism.
It has earned him so much notoriety that he is internationally known. In 2007, the BBC produced a documentary on Phelps and his church entitled "The Most Hated Family in America."
Phelps' anti-gay pickets continue even though his case is pending before the U.S. Supreme Court. The family plans to visit Atlanta, Georgia, starting Wednesday for two days of protests, including one at a Jewish community center and a playhouse staging a production in honor of Shepard, the slain gay college student.
The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors extremist organizations, has classified Phelps' church as a hate group. It calls Phelps America's most notorious anti-gay activist.
Mark Potok, a center spokesman, says Phelps uses anti-Semitic language in the fliers and tracts he dispatches from his church today.
"I don't think he gives a damn about civil rights; maybe he once did," Potok says. "Whatever atom of sympathy he had for the civil rights movement is clearly gone now."
Nate Phelps, the estranged son, says his father held racist attitudes even during his work as a civil rights attorney.
He says his father didn't believe blacks were equal to whites, and often insulted blacks out of earshot.
"They would come into his office and after they left, he would talk about how stupid they were and call them dumb niggers," Phelps says.
But Phelps-Roper, Nathan's sister, says their father was no racist. She says that Potok doesn't know her father. And she calls her brother Nathan a "rebel of God." She says her father didn't use racist language and Nathan wouldn't have been in a position to know.
"Nathan is a tortured soul," she says. "He has no grace. God had no mercy upon him. He's hardened his heart."
Phelps-Roper says her father and family have eked out a modest living and her father's church doesn't take money from anyone.
God said the world would hate believers like her father in the last hours, she says.
People may judge her father; the courts may do the same. But she says in an e-mail message filled with scriptural references that she is waiting for another judgment.
"This nation is on a short path to her full, final and complete destruction!" Phelps-Roper says. "It will be beautiful and it will be righteous."
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