Army releases "Game Changing Gun"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Officials announced May 5 that a group of Army Special Forces Soldiers will take the weapon with them to Afghanistan sometime this summer.
During live-fire demo here, Soldiers shot the Heckler & Koch-made XM-25's high-explosive rounds through the window of a simulated building, showering "enemy" mannequins inside with lethal metal fragments.
Afghanistan veterans who fired the weapon for the first time this week predicted it would be a "game changing" weapon, a gun that can engage Taliban insurgents using distant ridge-tops, thick mud walls and tree lines as cover.
"It brings, right now, organic to the squad, the capability to defeat targets that we're seeing everyday in Afghanistan -- targets that we can't currently hit," said Col. Doug Tamilio, project manager for Soldier weapons with the Army's Program Executive Office Soldier. "It will save Soldiers' lives, because now they can take out those targets."
While labeled a grenade launcher, the XM-25 is much more than that, Army officials say. It's a precision direct, and indirect, fire weapon system that combines an array of sophisticated sensors, lasers and optics with a microchip-embedded 25mm high explosive round.
Tamilio pointed to the example of the Taliban attack on Combat Outpost Keating last October in eastern Afghanistan where some 300 Taliban insurgents swarmed a remote American base, killing eight Soldiers and wounding 22. The XM-25's long-range, precision fire could have tipped the firefight in the Army's favor, he said, because Soldiers could have targeted insurgents firing down on the base from distant ridgelines with high explosive rounds.
Firefights in Afghanistan take place at much greater ranges than in Iraq, typically beyond 300 meters. At that range, even skilled marksmen are hard-pressed to hit a fleeting target ducking behind cover -- a bullet is only lethal if it hits the head or vital organs, which equates to about a six-inch-wide zone from the forehead to the groin, Tamilio said.
With the XM-25, Soldiers don't have to actually hit that vital area to dispatch the enemy, they only have to aim the launcher's air burst fragmentation warhead nearby. The warhead's blast is equivalent to a hand grenade.
The enormous firepower advantage is obvious -- Soldiers don't have to get within throwing distance, they can drop the 25mm rounds directly into an enemy's lap from up to 700 meters away, officials say.
"In the last area we were in, there were a lot of rolling hills, so maybe three or four hilltops away there are [insurgents] setting up on an outpost. … All they have to do to keep you from hitting them in a direct fire engagement is to get behind that hill," said Army Sgt. Christopher Shupe, who recently returned from a combat tour in Afghanistan with the 10th Mountain Division.
"When you have something that you can set the distance where it explodes -- that takes their defenses away -- it's essentially like carrying a mortar tube, but it's in a rifle format and it's something that any Soldier can use," he said.
Even if troops are patrolling within range of the mortar tubes located back at their base, it can take up to ten minutes to call in a fire mission, said Lt. Col. Christopher Lehner, program manager for individual Soldier weapons at PEO-Soldier. Calling in artillery or airstrikes takes even longer. It took 65 minutes for Apaches to arrive over COP Keating, he said.
"With XM-25, in under five seconds I could lase, put the reticule on target, and pull the trigger," Lehner explained. "At 400 meters, it takes another two seconds to get there and explode."
The weapon's ease of use is a huge advantage, he added.
The XM-25 gunner aims the weapon's laser rangefinder at the wall or window behind where the enemy is hiding. The distance to the target is displayed on an optical lens with cross hairs that automatically account for air pressure, temperature and the ballistics of the 25mm round.
When the Soldier pulls the trigger, that data is fed into the warhead that then detonates either above or behind the enemy. The 25mm round actually has two warheads that provide more explosive than the current 40mm grenade launcher, Lehner said. He expects it to force the Taliban to change their tactics.
That precision firepower will come at a high price: It's projected to run $25,000 per weapon. Yet, in Afghanistan today, Soldiers are forced to use much more costly systems like Hellfire missiles fired from Apache attack helicopters to hit a distant and embedded enemy with pinpoint accuracy, Lehner said.
The Army plans to spend $34 million on further development in 2011 with a production start slated for 2012, according to service budget documents. The service had planned to buy 12,500 XM-25s, but a final decision is awaiting a program review by senior Army officials.
Officials said today that the XM-25 is a specialized weapon that will be doled out selectively.
"It's potentially an arms room weapon, where you go in and say I'm going on this type of mission, I therefore need this type of capability," said Brig. Gen. Pete Fuller, the commander of PEO Soldier. "So, you take [the XM-25] versus something else."
The XM-25 weighs 14 pounds with a four round magazine. But Soldiers here said the XM-25 will provide such increased lethality that the extra weight doesn't bother them.
"I'd carry it as an extra weapon," Shupe said, in addition to his M-4 carbine.
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JanforGore
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Wow, how many more civilians can you kill with that?
- 2 years ago
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JanforGore
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Mark701
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Your kidding right"? Game changing weapon? With all due respect, bulls**t. How long do you think it will be before "the enemy" gets their hands on one of these and reproduces it? Here are some more examples of game changing weapons: rocks, spears, bow and arrow, bronze swords, steel swords, ships, catapults, trebuchets, cannons, guns, machine guns, planes, jets, tanks, bombs, atomic bomb, hydrogen bomb. Each device, in their time, represented an advantage over an enemy until the enemy got the same thing, which doesn't take long.
I'm not criticizing the OP. I'm just pointing out the narrow mindedness of military thinking. The only thing this does is increase the risk for our troops when our enemies steal and/or copy it.
If we took the untold trillions of dollars that we've wasted on "defense" since the end of WW II and used some of it to alleviate poverty, crime, disease, develop alternative and clean energy resources, etc, we'd already have thriving colonies on the moon and Mars and would be taking aim at Alpha Centuri. THAT would be game changing.
- 2 years ago
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Mark701
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remanns
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Mark701:
By definition,..."game changing weapons" at best,....only change the game somewhat,...for a limited time. I really don't think anyone is trying to imply anything different.( But the first chance you get to move up from a bronze short sword to an iron version,...you take. )
- 2 years ago
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remanns
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remanns
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Wow. If it is reliable and doesn't jam and such it rocks.
- 2 years ago
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remanns
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cabinettags
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Awesome looking weapon and capability. Serious bucks, but advancement costs. Great post BK. Here's hoping they send you guys enough of them to make a difference and in record time.
- 2 years ago
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cabinettags
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grassroutes
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violence is the sex of hatred and an instrument of the weak. sure looks fancy but it doesn't add inches to your dick.
- 2 years ago
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grassroutes
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fun_size
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Very cool tech. I remember hearing about this weapon years ago on a history channel show nice to see them finally have it down to a manageable size.
The only really issue i have with this is that you dont need direct line of sight to target people... which means that if insurgents, terrorists, etc are holding civilians in the same room with them those people are now targets. So what im saying is that this may in fact increase the amount of "collateral damage" caused by American soldiers which is obviously detrimental to winning the "hearts and minds" of the populace and may lead to more insurgents to kill... a vicious cycle indeed.
- 2 years ago
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fun_size
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jswiz
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Bking good call on the AA-12 very versatile gun also recoilless, now I'm not a warmonger but the history of war ,to me, is fascinating , and the many things developed .
- 2 years ago
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jswiz
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bking74
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Saladin, have to agree with you that we can no longer fight a conventional war. But, I firmly believe that weapons such as the AA-12, X-M25, the next generation of the M1 carbine and M-16A2, along with lighter more effective personal body armor. Increased use for predator drones, advances in the Land Warrior System and leaps in field triage....are the answer to winning(?) / way to fight this war. Afghanistan is not like Iraq, we are not doing as much urban warfare but shifting to a mountainous terrain.
- 2 years ago
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bking74
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bking74
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Diode, the AA-12 is amazing, a fully automatic shotgun which takes various shells designed for different uses. Door breachers, solid slugs for colossal stopping power and shells that sprays a cloud of deadly weight. All with almost zero kick back, easy to maintain and hold up well in the field. I would love it if the U.S Military sent the 10th a few hundred of these for use in city fighting. The AA-12 is truly a deadly but beautiful weapon, can't wait until it is adopted and assigned to various units who could really benefit from a fully automatic shotgun.
- 2 years ago
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bking74
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Ajil
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Ok, that was an interesting glimpse into the one of the ways it could be used. BUT! What if it were shot directly at someone? Does the capsule explode and release the metal fragments inside someone? If so, where can I see that video? :P I'm kidding of course... Well, about wanting to watch a video of someone getting shot, but I would like to know what would happen.
- 2 years ago
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Ajil
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riverdeer
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Now thats Change
- 2 years ago
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riverdeer
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Saladin
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Gnarly, looks like they really took the OICW to the next level.
Still, it's probably not cheap enough to use practically. If the U.S. wants to win the wars it's fighting, it needs to focus less on traditional warfare and more on modern warfare. Stuff like that might help you in a stick situation on a battlefield, but it's not gonna help you against guerrilla attacks and suicide bombs.
- 2 years ago
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Saladin
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Jason_Harris
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Wonder when humanity will start to learn that designing new weapons to kill people does not benefit society in anyway? One planet, one race, one love.
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Jason_Harris
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alf_d_guard
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YYayyy more millions and millions of tax payers dollars that who knows if this will win over guerrilla tactics...it is a bad ass weapon
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alf_d_guard
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diode
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can't wait to see that in action. we already have similar devices just so nice and neat as that one. the aa-12 shotgun fires grenade rounds up to 120 meters which is almost the same thing. it's interesting to see how well this works, it should be awesome.
- 2 years ago
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diode
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bking74
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It will make the average U.S. Army Infantry Solider a huge tactical advantage. The new laser sight is a technological achievement, displaying the range and distance of enemy targets. The rate of fire is and destruction of the 25mm round is both a weapon of terror and destruction. Any weapon that can be increase the effectiveness of the killing power of the average Infantry is an amazing achievement. Increases in the destructive power of U.S Military will translate into a faster but no doubt deadly end to the armed conflict, in what weather region it is deployed. I only hope that 2nd Combat Brigade/10th Mountain division is issued a few of these XM-25, they will come in handy in the rugged mountains of eastern Afghanistan.
- 2 years ago
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bking74
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artemis6
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Will this end the war faster ?
- 2 years ago
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artemis6
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idealist
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thats gonna do some damage...
- 2 years ago
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idealist