Undocumented Students Protest Outside Mccain’s Office in Arizona

support your local community and get involved in your government - no matter what side you believe in- make it count.

i have been @ the rally all week and weekend here most are documented and educated - they are marching for friends and family who have to hide.

I have a better idea, why don't the undocumented students hire documented students to go protest for them. I'm pretty sure the last thing you want to do in ARIZONA these days its draw attention to yourself if you're undocumented.

Then they would not only not be taking away jobs from Americans, they would be CREATING jobs for Americas! Protesting jobs!

"God Bless America!" *9/11 eagle tear*

Maria_Puentes [removed] - big surprise - wont be missed - go to fox forums where your racist- hate speech belonged.

Is asking you gardener if he is illegal considered racial profiling?
Sounds whack right?
But is it discriminatory to ask such a question if you can get in trouble?
He runs a company.
And it is legitimately paying state taxes.
So I would be hiring an outside company.
Is it my business who they hire?
The exterminator?
The plumber?
Is it racist to ask if they only speak Spanish?
How about the Armenian pool guy?
Well, no matter.
I can't afford a gardener anymore, my wife is doing the lawn now:)
She's a legal immigrant too.
In the 80s it was slightly cheaper. But not that much easier.
Took 3 years for a green-card and 7 for citizenship.
Maybe Obama should set up low cost legal aid and use the extra fees he charges immigrants instead to shore up the deficit or educate more defense attorneys.
At any rate, someone is going to have to pay a lot of money to fix America and immigrants beware its probably you!
I just wish people understood that having a free country costs money!

Let's contact Russia or China and see if they want them. Slave labor, or at least that's is what some of the snivelers are saying, maybe they will stay home and try to fix their own shithole country. President Calderone is more worried about the money being sent to Mexico from illegal workers here, that he is doing nothing about the people trying to come across.

being all together in one place should make it easier for them to be rounded up and tossed out

From the L A. Times
1 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.
This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7... The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L.. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.. (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County .)

the sad part is, i suspect, that this is really a ploy by McCain to stick a hair up our/his presidents ass.

In a perfect world no one needs papers.
Welcome to reality Plato.
If everyone who follows the law out of respect for his country is a caged dog,
according to Naumad...
then everyone who doesnt follow the law at all must be rabid.
In the grand scheme of life nothing is fair.
But there is a balance to be struck between fucking over the legal immigrants and fucking over the illegal ones.
Naumad... let me know when your idealism switches to bitterness because no one stuck up for you when you needed it even though you marched and marched with the best of them.

Naumad I do agree with freedom of speach.
I do agree that these kids in particular are doing something positive.
HOWEVER
That does not excuse their parents, nor does it excuse the fact that there is an absolute racial disparity in this country where Mexicans in particular rarely face deportation and can come back easily while others like the Chinese or Russians pay thousands to get here and cant come back if they mess up so easily.

What this is doing is absolutely destroying any semblance of equal protection for other immigrants because of the overwhelming majority of immigrants from one place.

Its not fair, or humane, or legal.

And truthfully its not these kids fault if that is what you are saying, but it is the fault of Mexicos aweful government and the United Statess complacency.

On this issue, there is only one clear thing to be said: these young people clearly wish active and positive lives for themselves, for their families and friends, for their communities. They do not appear to wallow in unhealthy apathy or seem interested in negative and destructive attitudes or behaviors. They ought to be the life we as a nation have great interest in creating, nurturing, protecting and remembering.

I'll not be a party to discouraging such thinking and behavior or to putting an end to their efforts. As a nation, we must actively discourage disruptive and destructive behaviors but only in the interest of allowing positive behaviors to flourish. These youth are attempting to become part of what the United States of America hopes to protect - passionate and positive individual life dedicated to allowing others the freedom to pursue the same.

To make criminals of such persons is a travesty. Americans who would do so do not deserve the name.

DEPORT ILLEGALS. - ENFORCE OUR LAWS.

The people in this picture I see protesting better have papers. If they're illegal immigrants, they have got some cahones protesting.

Their dreams can't wait, but apparently they can fuck like rabbits without any type of family planning or enough finances and resources to take care of their children in their homeland "Great". How would Americans be treated if they just decided to shimmy across the Mexican border? And they have the audacity to protest simple enforcement of laws that are already in place or should be. This Arizona law is nothing new, it's merely and enforcement of law our Federal Government refuses to enforce.

Why don't they learn what condoms are and other forms of birth control, and how to file papers and go through the legal process to get here. It's an extreme insult to those that have come here legally to have to put up with this nonsense. And obviously our federal government doesn't give a shit, cause they're just whores on the corporate payroll. And corporations want cheap labor. Where do they find it? Hmm, gee let;s think about that.

It wouldn't bother me one bit if beef was raised to $8.00 a lb, cause I don't eat it. And as it is, I don't eat that much of any meat. Yep produce is expensive, but so what, sure beats eating stuff that causes cancer. And beans and rice are cheap cheap cheap. The rising cost of food would just make more people in America get back to the roots we started with, and that is growing their own food and supporting local farms and markets, the way they do in Europe.

the contradiction is that they want to be legalized because they are already here. cuban "boat people" cant get amnesty unless they physically touch US soil (sand). if they are within feet of the US shore line and are stopped by the coast guard before they make physical contact with the shore, they are deported back to cuba. what happens to them there for trying to escape is a living nightmare.

our american laws are enforced for the sake of self preservation of our individual liberties. once they are compromised, so can the constitution and our entire way of life. we are not the United Nations of America!

I say deport them! They and their parents are here illegally, yet they feel they have enough balls to protest OUR government... get the fuck out!!

Cost of Illegal Immigration Rising Rapidly in Arizona, Study Finds

Reuters

Arizona’s illegal immigrant population is costing the state’s taxpayers even more than once thought -- a whopping $2.7 billion in 2009, according to researchers at the public interest group that helped write the state's new immigration law.

Researchers at FAIR – The Federation for American Immigration Reform -- released data that show a steady cost climb in multiple areas, including incarceration, education and health, in the last five years.

FAIR's new breakdown shows that illegal immigrants take $1.6 billion from Arizona's education system, $694.8 million from health care services, $339.7 million in law enforcement and court costs, $85.5 million in welfare costs and $155.4 million in other general costs.

FAIR’s cost estimates – compiled for a comprehensive national immigration report it plans to release next month – include several new cost areas, including welfare and the justice system, that weren’t in previous reports.

FAIR admits that the cost to implement the new law in some of those categories, such as incarceration, will add to the economic strain on the state. But overall, it says, the loss of immigrants either from the deterrent effect of the law, voluntary exodus or from mass deportations, will help the state financially.

Also, the savings to the state will far overwhelm any fallout from boycotts (estimated at between $7 million and $52 million) being threatened in the wake of the law's passage, according to FAIR spokesman Bob Dane.

Every other country in the world--including Canada has a fairly simple system that allows its citizens to apply for a travel visa or a green card. But not Mexico--they blatantly make it difficult for their citizens to legally immigrate to the US. They have a fail safe system in place--they know the US will translate everything into Spanish so there is no incentive for their immigrants to learn or speak English, they know businesses will continue to hire undocumented workers, they know rich white people will continue to need their pool cleaned or their food cooked or their children taken care of, they know these students will be granted some type of immunity or special visas, they know the Arizona won't pass a law to ban wire transfers or actually do anything about the sale illegal drug or other merchandise in border towns. They even know this latest law isn't worth the paper its printed on and is just designed to stir up a political fire storm of words and sound bites while doing nothing to address the real problems or even target the majority of illegal immigrants who know better than to draw the attention of the police by doing anything criminal--and those who are criminals will just show the police forged documents anyway.

I see a lot of comments here about “Liberals” always defending “Illegal” immigrants. What a LIE!

I am a Liberal and Proud of it. I also believe that we should not pander to “Illegal” immigrants or any group that supports them. They are here “Illegally” no matter what the reason is!

I believe in being Tough on Illegal immigrants and the companies that hire them as long as the rights of “Legal” citizens are protected.

We need Major Immigration Law Reform to allow more people to come here Legally, but we should Not allow those here Illegally to remain here or to have a group voice in our political process.

We need Much tougher laws to punish employers that knowingly hire Illegal immigrants.

We need to allow police agencies the unobstructed right to check a person’s immigration status if they have been charged with a crime.

We need to deny Any government help or benefits of any kind to anyone that is not here Legally.

Now, Stop blaming Liberals for all the “Illegal” immigration problems and Stop labeling All Liberals as supporting “Illegal” immigration!!! Your accusations are just Lies!

Debroncita, the first clue that YOU are not 100% native is the fact that you dont really look indigenous.
The NEXT CLUE is that you speak Spanish. Spain is in EUROPE! I dont care if it was in 1492 it is YOUR ancestry.
Moral of the story, get a clue!
Most of the indigenous peoples get the shaft in Mexico a lot worse than our tribes here.
I came here legally, I dont know about you, but my family spent thousands of dollars to do it the right way.
Sooo personally I say, fuck everyone who doesnt and since my daughter is married to a REAL Native American Im probably more closely linked to natives than you are.
The main thing is, we have a system, and if you disagree with that system you change it by doing LEGAL things.
You dont threaten EVERY OTHER RACE with mob violence and work stoppage to get your way and get preferential treatment.
That is NOT democracy.
And that is why most countries fail, including Mexico.

If you recognize the legitimacy of any country, then as a sovereign nation America has a right to secure her borders. Granted, settlers here murdered, lied, and pillaged to obtain this land from the natives and the Mexicans, but that cannot distract from the fact that drug violence from Mexico is spilling into this country today.

Honestly, I have trouble seeing issue with this law. If it allowed police just to randomly stop minorities and ask about their citizenship then I would be against it, but from what I understand, it is only during an investigation of a crime that an officer can inquire about such things. This to me, seems like a common sense approach. Asking someone who is being questioned about a crime, whether they even have a legal right to be in the country in the first place seems like a good idea. I would take it further and say that everyone being questioned under suspicion of having committed a crime must be asked about their citizenship.

Perhaps I don't fully understand the law myself, but as someone who tries to be sensitive to the plight of minorities in this country, I can still empathize with the State of Arizona's concerns.

I wished that all the foreignor's that are here now wouldn't forget that they were all foreignor's also. Who gave them the right to come here. NOT the Indian's that's for sure. Or the Mexican's? So, who do you think you are making snid remarks like they are second class citizens. Why are you any different.? Your not. who gives you the right to say some can come here. and some cannot! What the difference the color of your skin, or who pays the most or what??? Let me know cause all the Native's of the continent were Indian's & Mexican's only. NO Europeans or any other race for that matter??? So who's the foreignor's NOW!! NOT US that's for sure. WE are Native's of this lands for 1000's of years and then some. ONLY US. Everyone else came here on boats illegally!! YES!!

I am appalled by the arrogance of these illegal undocumented aliens. Who do they think they are? they sneak across the border under the cover of darkness and they think they have the right to bitch about anything? you're not American, you don't get the right to have a say in American domestic affairs. Just like Americans don't get to whine and protest about domestic policy in Mexico.

Morons all put themselves in one place. woulda been the perfect chance for ICE to show up on the scene and round them all up.

Let's explore the double-standard:

If a poor US citizen sells drugs in order to "better" his life, he gets sent to jail for breaking the law.

If a citizen of Mexico breaks the law by working here illegally, driving here illegally, not paying the proper taxes....they are not only ALLOWED to continue to break the law....but they hold pride parades celebrating the fact that they break the law!

So why is it the the US citizen gets sent to sail for breaking the law in order to make money...but the citizens of Mexico who break the law trying to make money get to hold pride parades?

Do the pot dealers get to have a "pride" parade too?

Because if the "ends justify the means" and making money by any means necessary is the goal, well then, why are we arresting drug dealers? Why isn't it also an affront to the dignity of the pot dealers that the cops are "hassling" them and "embarrassing" them by invetigating their illegal activity?

If the arguement is that Mexicans are human beings and they (as human beings, apparently) have an inherient RIGHT to make money -- legally or illegally in the US -- then why doesn't that same philosophy extend to a 23 year old selling marijuana?

Can liberals who call themselves compassionate finally admit that they have no compassion for people who are living by the book?

Kudos and Bravo to all the Mexicans, Chinese, Russians, and others who actually followed the law Maria:)
As for Estee, you say you are American stock and German.
For all your compassion for humanity, did you ever stop to think about the land all of us stole from the natives?
Or the fact that those natives tried to kill your ancestors for moving here?
And now you want to give away land your people stole to people who want to take it illegally?
You have a lot of compassion for people you feel are underdogs it seems but not for the people who escaped and worked and did everything by the book.
It is simply unfair and against the constitution to say that Mexican illegals should get better treatment than someone who has to fly or take a boat. It's pure discrimination.
Because that is what you are saying by supporting these kids, and it's not humane or compassionate.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I am sooo sick of the mentality that people who bust their ass and do things right should have to suffer for those who think rules are only for citizens.
Where is your compassion for the mom and dad who did everything the right way and are being taxed so hard they cant afford college?
Where is your compassion for the people who are kidnapped?
The people who are killed for cocaine?
The kids on heroin who get it from the cartels?(Ive lost many friends to this)
Where is your compassion for your country that is going to absolute shit because people think they are entitled to the Native Americans treasure!
America is a privledge and everyone should have to pay the natives royalties damnit!

i wish some americans would just "deport" themselves.

DEPORT THEM.

I was deported in 1978 for working before I had papers. It took four years to get back here legally. My wife's family already had their citizenship and it should have been automatic. Since then I have built a business, I speak three languages fluently, I read in English more than i watch TV.
Many illegals come from my homeland on tourist visas.
I wont tell you where but its a few thousand miles from Mexico.
This isnt just about Mexicans.
When my daughter was in jail for pot, they held her and extra two weeks to check her citizenship status even though under Clintons revisions she was an automatic citizen at least six years before that.
This was in Los Angeles!!!!!
Mexicans who come here illegaly need to drop their fuckin egos and deal with the rules like everyone else.
There is no special privledge for being latino, not here or anywhere.