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A new study shows African Americans are tumbling out of the nation's economic orbit on a tragic trajectory that will never let them achieve parity with whites.
May 21, 2010 |


The gap between Black and white household [accumulated] wealth quadrupled from 1984 to 2007, totally discrediting the conventional wisdom that the U.S. is slowly and fitfully moving towards racial equality, or some rough economic parity between the races. Like most American myths, it’s the direct opposite of the truth. When measured over decades, Blacks are being propelled economically downward relative to whites at quickening speed, according to a new study by Brandeis University.

The gap between Black and white households ballooned during the 23-year study period, as white families went from a median of about $22,000 in wealth to $100,000 – a gain of $78,000. In the same period, Black household wealth inched up from a base of $2,000 per family to only $5,000. The sweat and toil of an entire generation had netted Black families only $3,000 additional dollars, while white families emerged from the period with a net worth of 100 grand that can be used to send a couple of kids to college, make investments, help out other family members, or contribute to the larger (white) community. The typical Black family has no such options. [The study did not take property ownership into account. If property were included, the disparity would be larger.]

Viewed another way, the median white family was 11 times richer than the median Black family in 1984 ($2,000 vs. $22,000). By 2007, the white household had become 20 times richer than its Black counterpart ($5,000 vs. $100,000).

Any way one measures it, the numbers show African Americans are tumbling out of the nation’s economic orbit, wealth-wise, on a trajectory that can never achieve parity with whites. I repeat: never.

On the campaign trail in 2007, Barack Obama flippantly declared that African Americans had “already come 90 percent of the way” to equality, with only 10 percent more to go. Whatever the future president was thinking, it wasn’t economics. The meter of progress is running backwards on Black America, toward greater inequality and relative poverty. Everything else you’ve heard is propaganda.

The Brandeis study, conducted by the university’s Institute on Assets and Social Policy, showed that upper income Blacks fell even farther behind their white peers than lower income Blacks. During the survey period, higher income Blacks saw their wealth drop from $25,000 to just $18,000, while their white counterparts wealth soared to $240,000.

Black folks have been integrated long enough to know that the white family didn’t get richer by a quarter million dollars because they were smarter than the Black family. Privilege, especially cumulative privilege over generations, works wonders, like compound interest only better. Whites are both collectively privileged and capable of bestowing an endless stream of privileges on each other, while Blacks are deliberately positioned outside of the stream, and are preyed upon as a group by powerful (white) financial forces that profit from the wealth differential.

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  • SpencerTreeGarden
  • Monkey_Films
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      Monkey_Films  
    • SpencerTreeGarden:

      Chuckiebean: He's as white and asian as he is black. There should be a duck following him from that insurance company saying....Haaaalf Blaaaack. Besides, one example doesn't make a population, or even 2, 6, 10, 20 for those that were going to be smart and name some rappers and NBA stars.

    • 1 year ago
  • 2hellnwait
  • iamaman
  • chuckiebean
  • corndog67
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      corndog67  

    • What a load of shit. Everyone here in this country, at least a great majority of them, has the same chance, the same potential. How bad do you want that education? How bad do you want to own that business in your mind? How hard are you willing to work for it?

      As someone mentioned, don't have babies in your teens. Is it in your heritage, your DNA, your background, your social status, to have a baby when you are 14, 15, 16? If you do, you probably won't do shit with your life. Would you rather go smoke a joint or drink a 40oz Malt Liquor instead of going to school? Whose fault it that?

      Instead of putting 20" wheels and a $5000 stereo on some piece of shit $400 car, why not pay for some community college classes. Even if you are making your living selling dope, and a lot of people do, you should remember, selling dope is a temporary job, it won't last forever. Instead of making sure you have a bag of $70/eighth of weed, why not put it towards your education? Be smart about it.

      It's real easy to blame whitey, it's real easy to blame society in general, shit, we ought to throw the illegals in there, too. It's their fault. But if the illegals can do it, so can everyone else. The Blacks, the Chinese, the Russians, even the African Immigrants, can all do it, access is there.

      I grew up in a pretty shitty scene. Lots of dope, dope dealers, crime, dropouts, all kinds of shit, and lost 20 years of my life to drugs. But I'm one of those on the plus side of the statistics. The people I grew up with, some of them went straight and made it. But a lot of them are still there, doing their drugs, drinking themselves stupid every night, and in general, not trying very hard.

      Or you can blame whitey and the system, and you won't ever get there.

    • 1 year ago
  • Monkey_Films
  • Johann_freemind
  • Follow_me
  • iamaman
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      iamaman  

    • something "really" worth thinking about.

      http://www.pbs.org/aplaceoutoftime/

      when will we stop repeating "our" mistakes and start looking toward history again?

      edit: i know many of you closet racists will bring this up.

      http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2010/05/24/2010-05-24_in_bordentown_...

      so i'll save you the trouble and state that white politicians killed Bordentown and NOT "Brown vs. Board of education" like the biased separatist article would like to spin it as.

      we truly are "inheriting the wind", as a nation, if WE continue to not accept progress as a society! Anyone ever study the "Stokes monkey trial"? i truly doubt any teabaggers will ever be able to comprehend it, like so many other things.

    • 1 year ago
  • acontradiction
  • iamaman
  • tylervictoria1
    • +1
      tylervictoria1  

    • Yawn, i've heard it all before. sure, you can blame the government for a lot of our countries race issues, but honestly in this day in time the fault lies on you. it's time to stop playing the victim and move on.

    • 2 years ago
  • captainplanet71
  • iamaman
  • Blkwdw
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      Blkwdw  

    • When you have lived in poverty all your life and all you see is gangs and drugs what other choices do you have? how many people who are suggesting an easy solution have really talked to poor people on an individual basis. You will find that they have no hope, the American dream is not an option to these people, they feel disenfranchised and they live day by day; going to college will always take a backseat to figuring out if they will eat that day. African Americans need self pride self love hell a Identity. Then they will see their lives have value and the rest will follow. This is working in Brasil once the children took pride in being African they felt they deserved to be educated they had confidence that they were able to be successful and demanded to be treated with respect and began to treat each other accordingly.

    • 2 years ago
  • iamaman
  • Paratus
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      Paratus  

    • Stay in school and get a good education. don't have children out of marriage, either as father or mother. Don't do drugs. Don't hang out with the gangs. Don't do felony crime. If a young person does these things the chances of them having economic success is greater than if they don't. To blame this on "racism" is a smokescreen as usual. To many success stories of non-whites to blame this on the color of ones skin. As a doctor from Guyana in the hospital where I work said, and I am paraphrasing, "I came here with nothing and put myself through medical school. Hard work is the solution. The rest is bullshit". He is absolutely correct. We all won't make the bucks Bill Gates does but he did not get where he because he is white but because of what he did. Do what the doctor suggested and the mythical color barrier will disappear.

    • 2 years ago
  • Monkey_Films
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      Monkey_Films  
    • Paratus:

      It's not always that easy in America. One could start off on that path and be in the wrong place at the wrong time and be wrongfully accused. Now you are black with a criminal record. Once on the books you will most likely be picked up again and wrongfully or rightfully you are now on a path that is very hard to break. Additionally, you could have a mother and father break up, the mother get addicted to drugs and die and now you are taking care of your family and working instead of going to school. So, you see, this doctor from Guyana has the right idea, in America, racism and poverty sometimes make it hard for even the determined to escape their circumstances.

    • 2 years ago
  • iamaman
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      iamaman  
    • Paratus:

      perhaps its more psychological then you think.

      "self fulfilling prophesy" is something we all do.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy

      from Wikipedia-- "e.g. when Roxanna falsely believes that her marriage will fail and fears such failure will occur that it actually causes the marriage to fail."

      "The self-fulfilling prophecy is, in the beginning, a false definition of the situation evoking a new behaviour which makes the original false conception come 'true'. This specious validity of the self-fulfilling prophecy perpetuates a reign of error. For the prophet will cite the actual course of events as proof that he was right from the very beginning.[1]"

      who/what causes this error?

    • 1 year ago
  • AreOh
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      AreOh  

    • It's interesting how much racist rhetoric had to be deleted from this post. People try to disprove the content of the article as racist by being... racist? Yeah, that makes sense.

      Look, we can debate the point of this article all we want, but the data is sound. In America, if you a non-white person, you simply do not have as many opportunities. This is not a point of debate. Sure, you can live and have a good standard of living, but this article is not about a good standard of living. It's about sustained wealth. And it is just harder for non-whites to put themselves in that position.

      There are sundry reasons as to why this is, which have been brought out in the comments. But what I find particularly interesting is the consistent narrative Black Americans do not do enough to take care of themselves, so in large part, the fault is theirs. This is simply illogical as it shows a particular view point separating Black Americans from the simple consideration of being people. Time and time again, we blame the Black community in America for not 'caring for their themselves, but we turn a blind eye and hushed lip to the continuous indiscretions of the White community in America.

      Of course their are examples of Black Americans making poor decisions, but the must interesting thing that happens which is indicative or bigoted thinking is that we they make these aforementioned poor decision, the majority of the American body politic interprets this as reflective of the ENTIRE Black community. When a white person commits similar acts, they are afforded the luxury of being interpreted as an individual. Has Dick Cheney been paraded around as an example of 'white people behaving badly' as Jeffery Wright was vilified? Is Karl Rove's actions re-constructed as representing white people as a whole as Bill Cosby has been? Would you say Rush Limbaugh represents most white people? So why is that same luxury not afforded to Obama?

      Honestly, I think there is some relevance to saying there needs to be more personal responsibility. This always great advice, generally speaking. But to ignore the systemic data, in economics as this article brings attention to, and sport, and entertainment, and education, and healthcare that show the distinct differences of white and non-whites is simply ludicrous. There are mountains of data that support the inherent bias in our country, but, which is typical of ingrained bigoted behavior, most choose to ignore the information, and continue to regurgitate rhetoric rather than deal with the problem.

      And lastly, spare me the 'my poor father the immigrant' stories. Of course there are examples of people moving here and succeeding. This is obvious. And yes, I realize you are, yet again, going to parade around Oprah and Obama as examples of 'post-racial' America. But can you name a Black American that has the same economic stature as Bill Gates? Warren Buffet? Lawrence Ellison? Remember we are talking about sustained wealth, not a good standard of living. Anyone?

    • 2 years ago
  • HsIV
  • lifestudentno83
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      lifestudentno83  
    • AreOh:

      I'd like to thank you for getting it absolutely right on the money.

      Just remember not to talk too bad about those people you mentioned above... Some of the users hate negative talk about white people. Apparently, it's racist to talk bad about the things some white people do...

    • 2 years ago
  • iamaman
  • theultimateend
    • +1
      theultimateend  

    • I'd probably be more concerned if every non-white (and some white) people that I met told me "You have nothing to be sad about...you are white!"

      After about 8 years of that and looking back on the fact that I was in a run down mobile till I was an adult, it is hard to be sympathetic.

      Kind of like getting into college, having the GPA but not being the proper race (or gender) for just about any scholarship.

      I don't really care anymore, I decided I didn't need help and started working harder :).

      But if anyone wants to pay me 240k for being white I can make a pretty certain pledge to start a fun for people who want to aspire to greatness regardless of race. Unless someone can explain to me what to buy with most of that income, I run out of things to buy on the money I make now (which is almost a 10th of that).

    • 2 years ago
  • cons_Objector
    • -1
      cons_Objector  

    • I think there is no one cause of this problem. The system isn't working for us, and blacks aren't taking care of their own ppl. I mean all those wealthly black ppl aren't exactly donating money to poor public schools or colleges. Maybe some kids want to be successful but they lack the tools to do so. Everyone knows the system's flawed but blacks, wealthy or not, aren't doing anything about it

    • 2 years ago
  • HsIV
    • 0
      HsIV  
    • cons_Objector:

      yes they do all the time (Tyler Perry to name one) , and when someone makes points the black community calls them uncle toms or sell outs. when a black kid in the "ghetto" trys to better them selfs and be intelligent like crabs in a bucket they are taken down and told they "act white".

    • 2 years ago
  • Johann_freemind
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      Johann_freemind  
    • HsIV:

      As a black person, its very easy to understand that most other races identify 'black people ' with 'working class' to do that is to ignore say anyone senior management or earning upwards of 40k.
      Nevertheless, 'the system isn't working' is being truthful. How many Tea-party backing businesses and hard-line republican businesses will be eager to employ non-white employees? To say the reverse is also true - to say black businesses wouldnt hire white employees - could very well be the case, I understand, but mathematically it wouldn't create as much of an impact because whites are by far in the majority compared to blacks in the USA.

      The core of the problem here is really with social conditioning, you have fundamental problems with how blacks are portrayed within the right-wing (which is why traditionally, the home of the black voter has been democrat / progressive independent). If blacks are continually portrayed badly within the right-wing then employment prospects decrease (this is one of the reasons why I so loathe Fox News' anti-minority fabrications).

      Worse still and I see many have mentioned it already, is the rising individualism that has emerged in these last few years, black families and white familes BOTH have shown to be becoming more individualist due to the changing, increasing pace in our lifestyle.
      Perhaps this individualism and anti-minority sentiment have produced this large gap in wealth.

    • 2 years ago
  • HsIV
    • 0
      HsIV  
    • Johann_freemind:

      i agree and i dont; to be honest you blame the right wing for the negative views. gorge w didn't give us lil Wayne.

      have you read "the mis-education of the Negro"?

      "The race will free itself from exploiters just as soon as it decides to do so. No one else can accomplish this task for the race. It must plan and do for itself."
      - Dr. DuBois

    • 2 years ago
  • Blkwdw
  • Johann_freemind
  • iamaman
  • HsIV
    • 0
      HsIV  

    • why is it a African can come here and succeed, a Caribbean can come here and succeed but i am to feel bad for the poor black Americans?

      my father came here from Angola worked his butt off to learn the language and work his way through college, but these people cant do anything to help themselves?

    • 2 years ago
  • ZeldaMasterZapp
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      ZeldaMasterZapp  
    • HsIV:

      I agree with you, I'm and American born black though, and all I hear from black American, and sympathetic white liberals is the conditions in black communities, and how we're put down. BS, you can't look at this problem from the outside with sympathetic progressive eyes, and think you can diagnosis. No one knows their people better than they know themselves, and I know my people, and the thing is this isn't the fault of any whites, this is the fault of the black community falling for the bs on TV, kids want to be rappers, girls want to be singers, or video whores waiting for their chance for a meal ticket. Now granted that not all blacks are poor, or don't have their heads on right, there are a lot of black people I look up too, as an example of how I can be a successful black male, and they aren't athletes or rappers, successful businessmen, and this is even before Obama can out with the "No Excuses Speech", their shouldn't have been any excuses before Obama. Man black men an women make successful livings, without having to dance around and look silly on TV or playing ball before Obama, hell.. wasn't the president of Marill Lynch a black man, for a while? And this was before Obama.

      Another problem I see in my community is that if you're smart, making money being a business man, and doing positive things, you're either an uncle tom, sell out, nerd, geek, or the white man's 'B', if a business man is respected, it's about "Where your car?" "Where you live?", everyone wants to be a rapper, or something that isn't going to take you but so far in this world.

      Another thing, our businessmen and women, people who actually make a living doing things that actually matter in this world, are not boasted by BET, or MTV, our role models are mostly boasted as rappers, sports stars, and singers, you look on any other channel and all you see is white businessman, or whatever all the time, making livings, and running this country.

      There is not a right in this world that a black man doesn't have in America, stop making excuses, sure it's racism, but racism perpetrated by one or many, is not the taking of rights. We gained our rights decades ago, learn to use them. And learn to find actual role models and not Lil Wayne, and Gucci Mayne.

      No Excuses

    • 2 years ago
  • HsIV
    • +1
      HsIV  
    • ZeldaMasterZapp:

      high five from San Diego! one of the news channels airs a show called black in america, someone on that program put it best. "Black people unlike the rest of the society saw there negative stereotypes and liked what they saw."

      oh and btw BET is the worst thing since slavery.

    • 2 years ago
  • Johann_freemind
  • HsIV
  • Blkwdw
    • +1
      Blkwdw  
    • HsIV:

      Because you were immigrants and you have history and culture a name African Americans have no roots it makes a huge difference, forced to come here as slaves without any human rights treated as property cannot be compared to anyone who came over voluntarily as a free individual. There a deep rooted depression and pathology that exists in the African American psyche and the conditions of this country have been conducive to continually perpetuate it. Inadequate education, dependence on government, apathy, depression, self hate, etc. Most blacks that have freed their minds and have a strong sense of pride in being AFRICAN do not have theses problems.

    • 2 years ago
  • HsIV
  • Monkey_Films
    • +1
      Monkey_Films  
    • HsIV:

      Immigrants are given opportunities that native blacks are not. Access to college, small business loans, etc. Sometimes it is easier for an immigrant to be successful in this country than an average white male. A black foreigner is not hit with as many roadblocks as someone born here.

    • 2 years ago
  • Monkey_Films
    • +1
      Monkey_Films  
    • Johann_freemind:

      Amen to that. I live in Lexington Kentucky and while you could post that on the internet, I seriously doubt it would get printed in the paper, as you said, Johann.

      Lexington and Louisville are the 'metropolitan' cities in Kentucky and yet there is a noticeable racial divide. Step outside of either of these towns and while in public the two get along, at the dinner table in small town 'white' Kentucky, it's n**ger this and n**ger that in just about every sentence.

      Yes, there are some 'Poindexter' types with good jobs here but most seem to either be happy with their pants hanging down talking and listening to crap or 'keeping in their place'. They have their own churches, most don't mingle at the other, and they tend to populate and segregate by choice.

      If this is an America that is beyond racism, I'm missing the point.

    • 2 years ago
  • HsIV
    • 0
      HsIV  
    • Monkey_Films:

      that maybe so my father had to work his butt of to get through college he didn't get any handouts or loans, and he had a language barrier of Portuguese to English, so i see your argument but i don't at the same time. hell know what i did to get into college i joined the USMC (thanks for the GI Bill tax payers) in war time. there are ways if you have the want.

    • 2 years ago
  • amilli23
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      amilli23  
    • HsIV:

      can we stay focused on the topic...a study on the wealth disparity between blacks and whites. the study did mention factors that can play a role in such disparity. if you live on planet earth, race will always be an issue...there is no way around that. attaining wealth has less to do with education and having a job and more to do with effective money management. the real issue i believe is how to get black Americans focused on building wealth that does not require being an athlete or a musician. I do think black Americans must realize that wealth is in creating families not individualism, sometimes sacrificing, and taking risks. Black Americans are focused on money not wealth and that is a major problem.

    • 1 year ago
  • darkmerkaba
  • nursediesel
  • nursediesel
  • Almibry
  • KSirys
  • flyingkick
  • bailey78
  • KSirys
  • Argon18
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      Argon18  
    • flyingkick:

      Not that hard to tell since that HUGE chip on his shoulder and the OCD gives him away every time. It seems to be as regular as clockwork on the weekends and discovered on Monday.

    • 2 years ago
  • lifestudentno83
  • Argon18
    • 0
      Argon18  
    • lifestudentno83:

      Yes it was about 7 hours ago. 2hellnwait and I had a bet too, he won and I lost. There's always next weekend for another bet.

      Maybe next time we should bet on if he gets here before the staff goes home for the weekend

    • 2 years ago
  • Einsam_Data_Old
  • Argon18
  • KSirys
    • 0
      KSirys  
    • lifestudentno83:

      Yes we did my man! he got booted after 5pm.. that's the last time i checked in and when i got back around 9ish, he was already gone... so between 5 and 9pm he was booted.. next time, I WILL WIN!! lol..

    • 2 years ago
  • iamaman
    • +1
      iamaman  
    • KSirys:

      poor confused kid. i kinda feel sorry for him feeling so alone that he'd rather get bad attention than good.

      i'm sure he's already up to his OLD tricks again.

    • 1 year ago
  • KSirys
    • 0
      KSirys  
    • iamaman:

      probably, but I don't understand someone so bent on coming back when all he does is talk bad about current and how unfair they are towards him... why bother?? why come back?? why make yourself look so desperate and childish?? so lonely??

      So many questions, not enough answers...

    • 1 year ago
  • iamaman
  • iamaman
    • 0
      iamaman  
    • KSirys:

      i dont exactly know why. maybe he has nothing to contribute? i have noticed that others have talked badly about current when they feel the need. i like to point things out about current that are not "fair and balanced". but some people have a herd mentality.

    • 1 year ago
  • Argon18
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      Argon18  
    • iamaman:

      I've criticized Current repeatedly for their continued failure to explain the reasons why articles and comments were deleted during Laura Ling's inprisonment but they've never done anything to me about it.

      I think it's the blatantly over the top methods and personalized attacks that he uses that get him into trouble. Since he gets off on getting reactions out of people, it doesn't matter whether it's postitive or negative attention as long as he gets it.

      If he has a therapist then he certainly isn't paying attention to them since he's still heavy into denial, repression and projection of blame onto others for all his problems. So I doubt that therapist could make any progress until he comes to terms and lets go of that persecution complex.

    • 1 year ago
  • iamaman
    • 0
      iamaman  
    • Argon18:

      during the last interview they explained that it was to appease the NK's for the sake of their mental health, safety and quick return. i remember people talking about it and some were correct in their speculation. at least they did apologize for doing so during that episode. its sad to hear she is leaving.

      hopefully he is reading your and my comments and will come to terms. he sounds like a kid so maybe he will realize, as he gets older, and learns to think for himself instead of passing on what he seems to be receiving at home.

    • 1 year ago
  • Argon18
  • Jahvega
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      Jahvega  

    • This is not my opinion of people and color. I speaking on the subject of debate. Look it this simple. Point on an area in America where White people are predominately poorer then minorities in America and you win!

    • 2 years ago
  • 2hellnwait
  • 2helenahandbasket
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      2helenahandbasket  
    • 2hellnwait:

      You betcha. The poorest of the poor live in Appalachia. Many counties in Eastern Kentucky, while magnificent to view, hold some of the poorest communities in America. No jobs, no incomes, no hope without leaving.

    • 2 years ago
  • Jahvega
  • Jahvega
  • iamaman
  • 2hellnwait
  • Drach
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      Drach  

    • I don't understand this article... Is he trying to help his community, or is he trying to discourage people from attempting to better the situation?

    • 2 years ago
  • Jahvega
  • bailey78
  • Dr_Who
  • bailey78
  • Jahvega
  • lifestudentno83
    • +1
      lifestudentno83  
    • Jahvega:

      Slavery never happened. That's just a myth perpetrated by black people in order to make the white man feel guilty about making them work for free for 400 years.

      Apparently, Africans didn't know about minimum wage laws back then.

      But to spare the feelings of all the sensitive white people in here, let's act like it didn't happen. In fact, we're not even having this conversation.

    • 2 years ago
  • NEVERtheLESS
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      NEVERtheLESS  

    • "People of color" Are at a disadvantage for interrgating to fast. "People not of Color" are at a disadvantage for doing all the shit the that created the White guilt that had all these laws past. you cant help some one by giving em a fish. and its wront to teach em to fish in an area where fishing is banned and they cant afford a fishing lisence anyway

    • 2 years ago
  • Omnomynous
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      Omnomynous  

    • I just like watching the comment meter go up......

      I like the analogy to poor & rich people in the title though,

      sadly I'd bet the average black man is way wealthier than me........

      Which is kinda why I'm not sympathetic to using racial stuff to get votes and comments up.....

      Financial equality isn't a race issue, it's a "GREED" issue.

    • 2 years ago
  • NiceN
  • obamabinladen
  • flyingkick
  • iamaman
    • +2
      iamaman  
    • obamabinladen:

      sarah palin needs all the help she can get! "drill baby drill" was her mantra. now she is blaming obama for "being in bed with the big oil companies."

      how does this women sleep at night? does she share oxycontin with rush limbaugh?

    • 2 years ago
  • LibertyMinded
  • iamaman
  • Jahvega
    • +1
      Jahvega  
    • iamaman:

      No, by helping them out of jail and into colleges. By fighting the addiction of drug dealing without destroying their future with over extended prison sentencing!

      How about more subjects relating to Minorities and their cultures begin being taught to white students to help close the gap between different people!

    • 2 years ago
  • darkmerkaba
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      darkmerkaba  
    • Jahvega:

      How about they just not go to jail in the first place? Wouldnt that kinda help the problem? I mean, all the people I know at school ARENT in jail. But thats just my opinion. dont help the ones that are in jail, thats their choice, help the ones that want to go to school go to school. and have them do that like every other person does, study and get good grades. and if the moneys not there, get loans, grants, or join the military and have school paid for. because, beggars cant be choosers.

    • 2 years ago
  • iamaman
  • artemis6
  • Joe_Medina
  • JohnA
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      JohnA  

    • Here's what was wrong with the system. We've incentivized poverty. Ever since The Great Society and even before. If they are poor, they get money from the government. And the poorer you are, the more you get. Welfare checks, food stamps, section 8 housing, etc., we've given them every incentive to be poor and stay poor, and now we are going to be suprised that they are? How many of you know that guy at work who won't work too many hours, because if he makes too much at work, his government checks will go down? The black churches and groups like ACORN teach them how to scam the system for the biggest return. We did it to them. With good intentions in mind, sure. But you know what they say about the path to hell.

    • 2 years ago
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    • JohnA:

      yeah and all the subsidized farmers are payed not to grow or throw their harvest away in the trash. a hand out is a hand out if you did nothing for it.

    • 2 years ago
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    • iamaman:

      The idiocy of our government? Of course! We borrow money from China so we can pay foreign aid to Israel and Saudi Arabia. How much sense does that make? The ineptitude and sheer incompetence of our government knows no bounds.

    • 2 years ago
  • zichi
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  • iamaman
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      iamaman  
    • JohnA:

      i can agree with that. but we individually all have our own best interests in mind. when does it ever end? maybe when aliens come down to eat us and the whales.

    • 2 years ago
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      iamaman  
    • JohnA:

      when will you obama haters stop blaming him for GWB's fuck ups?

      you all act like he is leaving the lights on and wasting electricity, when in fact, the NEO-con teabaggers broke the fucking lite switch! ("kill baby kill")

    • 2 years ago
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