cant speak for islam but judaism has no restriction on foul language.

why did they attack egypt again, oh yeah egypt sent all the peace keepers from the un out of sanai and placed its entire military force along israels border with them.
but despite destroying egypts military (aswell as syrias, and jordan) they never marched into cairo or aman or demascus.

defense not offense

where have you been, so much jew bashing going on around these parts, and you missed it.im surprised as it is your theme

not to be contrary but its been tried, in fact (when im less tired) ill find the story posted on here about "evil israelis hurting kids by dropping pamplets on them". its like that dipshit friend that you buy a pack of cigarrettes for and instead of saying thank you asks if your trying to kill him.

but its a percentage game, no israeli influence in gaza can outweigh hamas influence.you have to remember these (not all but enough) are people who used to get half an hour heads up phone cals before rocket attacks, and instead of protecting thier kids, they put thier kids on the roof to prevent the airstrikes.this is a place where markets sell exacution and torture videos of collaberators. if collaberators serve as snuff film fodder, would you dare be caught with a jewish provided anything?plus thier tv has been running anti israel propaganda for decades.

the internet is the only answer.like the young kids in iran, they too will begin to see how they are manipulated more by thier own than by anyone else.

but all interpratation of prophecy is subject to human error.i mean it could have said celebrate in the old testament and one typo later its celebate.who knows maybe all the irish catholics were misled.if it could be twisted to make the inquasition seem like a good isea or flying planes into buildings who says that part is presented right?

I am in complete agreement, as mankind is certainly fallible, when discerning the will or messages from God. I just threw those comments in to stimulate a thoughtful conservation.
(Conversation) See, I can appreciate the misuse of words!

have ya read son oh hams, in not a shill but it was a fascinating enlightening read

I do not suppose that you would want to compare these 'statistics' of death of innocents, compared to gross global murders by Muslim morons, recruited simply for their ignorance!

no not really because i allready know, yea muslims killed alot of innocent people, but Americans have killed many Muslims, and it goes on and on. So sweet you know about alot of people dying, and you can look outside the box and say hey i know statistics too, next step is to crawl out of that box you live in. you completely missed the point of my statement. See you jsut went ahead and furthered a biased idea, my post was critiqueing the person who posted the article because they are projecting their egoic emotions instead of factual news. I allready wrote this but i want you to get an idea of this concept because it was the core of my post, not the things that you jsut wanted to see. here we go "Here's a revolutionary idea, how about focusing on solutions for both sides rather than your unstable emotions."

i dont doubt it was, since i dont have time to read it, maybe you have links to things i can check out about it. I assume you ment Son of Hamas. I'm curious what is it that is so enlightening about the book? I'm going to go ahead and make an assumption, that you think this book might make me realize the terrors of Hamas and say oh shit yeah Israel is doing the right things? am I in the ball park? if I'm wrong i apoligize, I jsut hope you understand that my position on this conflict is anti Hamas and anti Israel government. meaning I f*ckin cant stand what both sides are doing to its people and people abroad. spreading hate.

wait, you voted me down because i stated facts?

I will admit my positive bias towards the Zionist Nation and the Jewish religion. I am a Christian with no family, business, or religious ties to the Zionists or Jewish in dispora. I, however. claim a respect for a largely law abiding majority of global citizens of Jewish descent that have contributed to a peaceful advancement of religious freedom and business opportunity for all people. I, on the other hand, despise the efforts of Muslims to enforce their beliefs on others through legislation, intimidation, force, murder, and terrorism. To my mind Muslims have failed their own beliefs by supporting violence in the name of GOD/ALLAH. These are godless criminals hiding behind a scarf, like women, because of their fear of being identified as a Man. Their leaders parade themselves as 'heroes'; while killing innocent men, women, and children in bombings and attacks on unarmed civilians. Yet the mainstream Muslims secretly support the extremists and the liberal media sucks up to these criminals. Normally I would not suggest this , but in your case I will; use spell check and a grammar advisor when posting, of course this will require getting out of your own box, also.

so cool, again you go to problems, not solutions. I can talk about the evils of the Israeli government, or any government or organization, ethnic group, or club, that would include muslims. you are trying to prove something to me Im not trying to argue. thank you for the suggestion on spelling and grammer, you see i am not america, english or australian. english is my 3rd language, but I'm hoping that you can look past little spelling mistakes and pay attention to my message.

So what Need does it fullfill for you when you write these bias statements and argue with people about shit that you have no control over?

by the time you get to my box from yours, I'll be out of my box and in the next, its called psychological development, and i know where you stand mr. blue.

if israel attacked more but killed less those would be the stats used, but being as 8 thousand rocket attacks is a rediculous number to beat they go for the dead stats, not the frequency of trying to kill stats

no its first half is an israeli embarassment and the second half is a palastinian embarassment.its just the most enlighting book on the subject matter i have ever found.instead of having to rely on analysts and theoretical premises about what happened, he offers first hand accounts of what it was like living through, and being a part of the last 20 yrs of the conflict.after reading that book(wich i did in a matter of hours wich never happens to me) it was like reading a book that answered all of the questions raised by shitty media coverage of these events.

dont get pissed when people dont see your distain for hamas when you cite israels faults alone.

sorry i dont have a link i bought it in an airport.but it should be easy enough to google search.

gad damn it im like the only pro israel jew on here

Thanks for the quick response, Chokolat3, I apologise for the grammar comment, your written English is quite adequate to convey your thoughts. I, personally have an issue with the Global media continuing to attack the Minority Jewish Nation, while apologising for the misdeeds of a Global Muslim majority. For instance, I always favored David over Goliath, and I suspect that Jehovah has not changed his mind.

Sorry, but my fear of the 'KNIFE', has prevented conversion.

awsome, that book does sound good, thanks for elaborating on it. I'm gonna try to get a free copy online.

Further my post of death statistics showed how many Israeli and Palastinians have died, some of which come from Israeli organizations, so the statistics show what they show, for both sides. It shows the faults of boths sides as both have killed, it just happens that Israel killed more, if it makes Israel look bad, and Hamas look better, than thats what the death counts show. and my post if you read it all had this as well * Two Jewish Israeli citizens and One member of the Israeli security forces, killed by a Palestinian citizen of Israel in Nahariya in September 2001 . Thats talking about Jewish people killed, sounds like a Palestinian fault not an Israeli fault. My post is only a response to the poster of this article and his bias opinion and the untrue comments he was posting. In no way were my intentions to cite Israeli faults alone.

If the poster of the article was arguing on behalf of Palastine, and writing lies in the comments, my response would be about Hamas and their constant firing of missles on Israel, while they lie to their people and say that Israel is the aggressor.

I wouldnt even have to write that, because anyone who thinks that someone else doesnt have a right to exist, is clearly unhappy about their own existance, so they try to make the Israeli life worse in hopes that it can fullfill the emptiness that their religions create.

i know a guy who had it done in his twenties, not pleasant

no thats fine, i actualy do the same thing from the other side of the perverbial isle, ya just gotta remember you will be judged on not your intent but what you say and how. i get tagged zionist all the time despite not being so.but i cant really fault anyone for suspecting it as when this matter is discussed i jump on anti-semetism(david variety).

dont bother, on another thread, someone voted me down for suggesting racism is bad.there is no rhyme or reason to it

No, you're not. We're here.

mix up

i meant to comment somewhere else

i was starting to think i was surrounded by goyum

WTF is this........pointless.

So the Israelis used human shields. Funny how they blame Hamas of the tactic so forcibly.

there wont be any evidence of weapons aboard as that would ruin the purpose of the pr stunt. if thier were weapons being smuggled it would vindicate the israeli actions.the only people denying food to palastinians is hamas as israel gives more aide to gaza than most arab nations

they found:
Night-vision goggles, bullet-proof vests, and gas masks. None of that is humanitarian aid and clearly has military applications.

I don't think it was their intention to try to get missiles into Gaza on this ship, their plan was to create an international incident in the hope they could force Israel to stop the blockade so they could get the weapons in.

There really is NO logical "humanitarian" reason for the act. ALL humanitarian aid can get to the Palestinians today. All Israel asked is that the ships be checked out by the UN, or by Israel, before being allowed to go to Gaza. They can also take their aid to Egypt, which checks for contraband, then allows it to cross into Gaza.

SO it's just a lie, plain and simple, for them to say that humanitarian aid is not getting into Gaza, or to pretend that they need to go directly to a Gazan port.

So why are the bull dozing houses and using drones to kill innocent families. So they get food aid and bombs all at once.

over the last few years the idf has found repeated instances of weapons smuggling in frieghter ships.more often than not the ships capt and crew dont even know that they are smuggling.so weapons smuggling on the high seas is a real legitimate problem and threat.
an even greater threat are ships creating new methods of bypassing israels security, as now israel figured out the previous methods.
as for drones killing innocent families, thats war.especially when the enemy wages it from where innocent families reside.we have the same problem in iraq and afganastan,and we do the exact same thing.
anytime someone comes up with a civilian casualty free method of destroying terrorists, that will be great, but until then it is what it is.

The world is now full of Chamberlain's. Jellyfish pretending to be leaders.

Revelation, has revealed that the whole World will rise against Jerusalem, but will be defeated, and and a new Earth and new Heaven will be revealed. I guess that I sound like 'Gravity Man', but I believe.

equality for all

So if our government is inhumane, we should let others be so as well. I think you're misjudging your audience here. When they say freedom isn't free, they don't mean it costs the lives and blood of other people.

i suppose that you are a Democrat, expecting that all sacrifice is valued in tax dollars? Unlike the true patriots that shed their blood for U.S. freedoms; or perhaps you are a late immigrant to the U.S. with no family or personal blood shed for the freedoms that you enjoy. Are you a member of the Jack Ass Party?

OK, well let's call out this goofy response for what it is, and why.

The Israeli military has every right, and a very reasonable need, to control the shit that is flowing into Gaza. Hamas has been receiving missiles, ammunition, money, explosives, concrete for building bunkers, etc from international sources. That is why Israel blockaded Gaza. Hundreds of rockets have been shot from Gaza into Israel, causing injuries, deaths and damage.

That is what we call "TERRORISM".

The wall they build and the blockade have helped stop that.

So now along comes a little international stunt to try to undermine the blockade. The Israels gave these bastards several options: let the UN check out the cargo, dock in an Israeli port and let the Israelis check out the cargo, or be boarded and have the cargo checked.

Now, I'll give you 10 seconds to figure out which option the Muslim activists took: that's right! They refused to allow the cargo to be checked, essentially saying "FUCK YOU" to Israel, and loaded their boat up with "activists" (also known as "human shields"), useful idiots who would be harmed if/WHEN Israel did what it had to do: board the ships and check out the cargo.

The VIDEO proves that the second the Israelis approached the boat they were under attack. There was NO intention by the Muslim hoard to allow the Israelis to peacefully verify that there were no explosives or other weapons on board.

The sons of whores then attacked the Israelis with deadly force--again, beating a man with axe handle is potentially deadly, which is why any police officer under similar attack would use DEADLY FORCE to stop the assailant.

So the pipes and clubs were no threat to israel, but had there been explosives on board, those would have been. Israel doesn't care about band aids and medicines, but they don't want anymore rockets and explosives getting to Hamas.

SURELY you can understand that

The Israelis did what ANY police officer would do under similar circumstances: they defended themselves and their comrades.

dozens of ships over the last few years have been caught as the primary method of smuggling arms (including rockets) into gaza. thats the motivation for the whole deal on the israeli side

your response is so full of bias it's sickening

calm down curtis , i wasnt trying to say officers were not defending themselfs. but when it turns out they are not "TERRORIST" and as you put it they were "activist shields saying FUCK YOU", Israel should just say "our bad" we'll try not to do that again. just dont brag on it
i agree they did exactly what the "sons of whores" wanted them to.

rise above stay away from the sons of whores thing(as it is religiously offensive)

I was encouraged rather than sickened, but of course I have lot of experience.

i wont go near sons of whores anymore
but what about daughters of whores ?

the sons of whores is an insult to muslums by characterizing thier matriarch hagar as being a whore for sleeping with abraham as a matter of business not love.making thier patriarch ishmael a bastard, its just rude

Hagar was a slave, not a whore, but of course any child of their intercourse would be considered a bastard child , not worthy to inherit his father's wealth. This is a rule that still exists into the modern world. Unless, Abraham was willing to acknowedge the legitimitacy of the child, Ishmael, then the child is not allowed to inherit the Father's assets.. Thus, the roots of the current conflict! I'll be back in 2 hours!

to the reasonable a slave, to the bigoted a whore

more balls than brains

mostly cuz of the missinformation that plagues this subject. just like on current

not even close as israelis dont use american made guns, and thier military is stronger than ours by any standard

The claim that Israel's Army does not use American weapons is false.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces#United_States

aside from wikipedia not being a viable source as anyone with any agenda can manipulate it i said guns.they use planes yes guns no

Many would disagree with you. And it is well known the US has been doing joint R+D military research with Israel for quite sometime, which yes, includes firearms.

look up what is standard issue idf side arms
then look at who manufactures them thats all

as far as r+d military research goes its israel who created (and provides us) with satalite technology,pentium technology,and drone technology.

once again look up who has the patents for these military esentials.

im not spreading propaganda, of course we dump a rediculous amount of money into israels military. but its not a welfare endevour as it is with saudi arabia its an investment to our benefit.

if we cut of our ties in this regard with israel we would find ourselves in the position the soviets do, with a second rate military begging for israeli assistance.wich the soviets are still begging israel for drone technology.

You can't just dismiss an article because it's wikipedia...
Like anything else, a wikipedia article is only as good as it's sources cited.
This article looks legit based on the sources cited:
http://current.com/1tf1o4c#United_States

i guess it just a matter of faith and i lack it in wikipedia
sorry

Uh...
Did you look at the sources cited?

The specific source cited for US-Israeli military relations is:
^ US State Department. "Congressional Budget Justification for Foreign Operations". http://www.state.gov/s/d/rm/rls/cbj. Retrieved October 10, 2007.

Are you denying the credibility of the US State Department as a reliable source of
information?

It's perfectly reasonable to dismiss a wiki article that's clearly just opinion or cites questionable sources. But quite a few of them cite legitimate sources as well. It's all about the source.

im not questioning your sources at all, nor do i need to check them (although i did) as i dont see you as one of the raving loons on here.but im not disputing that we fund the shit out of them im just clarifying what that funding gets us. one could also state that we are running the mexican drug cartels based on the amount of money we give to mexico every year, but its not accurate.

when the left claims israels weaponry is donated to them by us its just catagoricly false, and just another layer of disinformation

But we do give them a lot weapons. We give everyone a lot of weapons though.
I'm pretty much just chiming in to defend Wikipedia, lol.

if you put one of our flyboys in thier f-16s he wouldnt know what to do with it cuz they use our parts to rebuild them to a higher standard, but still true none the less

i literaly laughed out loud that despite this being a hot contencious issue the side you fight on behalf is wikipedia lol

use points or you just baiting further disinformation

"No country has the restraint Israel has."

really? I think South Korea has a LOT more restraint than Israel. They lost 43 sailors to a North Korean torpedo attack and they have only asked for more sanctions. If South Korea had the Israeli government then wed been in the middle of the second Korean war right now.

How much restraint do you suppose they'd have if there had been rockets launched at them daily for years?

did north korea launch eight thousand rockets at them over the last decade?

That was a joke right? You realize that North Korea has killed hundreds of South Koreans since the 50's right? North Korea has shot down passenger planes, committed terrorist raids and attacked South Korea ships.

How many people have been killed in those rocket and mortar attacks on Israel? Like 100 people in 10 years? Israelis have killed 10x as many Palestinians in reprisal. And most of the Palestinian casualties are civilians.

Again i agree that Israel is entitled to its defense no doubt. The problem is their policy of disproportionate response. Think of it like this. Israel is a kid who was stung by a bee. Now instead of killing the one bee that stung them the kid decides to attack the hive itself and kills 8 bees instead of just the one. In the end the kid got his revenge but in the process he turned the whole hive against him.

how many missiles per year does North Korea fire into South Korea?

Oh, that would be NONE

not a good analogy at all

so you want to equivicate violence.
cuz the stats from 2000-2007 have hundreds of israelis dying at the hands of terrorist with no casualties to palastinians. is this a fair accurate assesment of the situation no.its statisticaly accurate but a bullshit perspective meant to demonize gaza.
add a year to the stats and you got operation cast led
now its a method of demonizing israel.
whats worse using little bombs thousands of times
or big ones a couple, there is no equivication.

what would be the proportionate response?i know you arent saying israel should blow up markets in gaza to balance blown up markets in haiffa, so what is the proportionate response?

or try this one :man in the wild sees a bear and pokes it with a stick, after surviving the bear attack spends all his time and effort preparing to poke the bear with a stick again.and again, do ya blame the bear for each attack or is it expected?

Your post makes no sense (but judging by your avatar, I'm not surprised)
"The "weapons" in that video don't look like anything other than items that could be used as weapons" You mean that the weapons were clearly weapons? I agree. So what's your point. They carried clubs, chains, gas masks, bullet proof vests, and dozens of wrist rockets (sling shots), not to mention at least ONE stun grenade. The videos show that they attacked the soldiers immediately.

It was well known that Israel was stopping and checking ships and these "activists" (actually, terrorist sympathizers) knew they were going to fight with Israeli Defense Forces. I guess they thought the Israelis would allow their fellow soldiers to be beaten to death without a response. Deadly force can come from a club, if you don't believe it, come visit me and let's see how you like being beaten with an axe handle.

ISRAEL SET AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF HOW TO RESPOND TO MUSLIM EXTREMISM YET AGAIN.