Community | June 04, 2010 | 30 comments

Pat Condell on Ground Zero mosque: "Is it possible to be astonished, but not surprised?"

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Pat Condell ably articulates everything that's wrong about the mosque at Ground Zero.
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30 comments // Pat Condell on Ground Zero mosque: "Is it possible to be astonished, but not surprised?" // Video

  • galwayman
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      galwayman  
    • Freecrack you are totally wrong! Pat Condell does get it! He is right and I agree with his view on all religions! Religions turn otherwise sane people into greedy,mudering scumbags and all organized religion must be banned for it's absurdity! As to his points on the building of this mosque he's right 100%! Islam must be stopped and this insult to our honored dead is exactly that,an insult and a sign to Islam that they are winning! Only a traitor would sanction the Building of this Mosque on the site where 3000 Americans were murdered by the insane followers of this insane death cult religion! You don't reward murderers you bring them to justice by any means necessary!

    • 1 year ago
  • 2hellnwait
  • freecrack
  • AreOh
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      AreOh  
    • Why am I not surprised crystalman posted this.

      For one, this guy is a comedian so I wouldn't look too deeply into his rhetoric. He is appealing to a lot of conservative sensibilities, which as a person of some intelligence, was is probably the plan anyway. Ironically, many who claim liberals are 'brainwashed' immediately fall right into line with this. Ha, amusing to say the least.

      Secondly, I can understand how people would feel uncomfortable with a mosque near Ground Zero. Personally, I don't agree with it either. I don't think the area should be tinged with any type of religion, to be clear. However, it is the veracity that people have when it comes to attacking Islam that bothers me. So many are quick to point out that, allegedly, the terrorist were Muslim, so it was Islam that 'inspired' them to commit these horrible acts. I wonder if these same people would put Andrew Joseph Stack III in the same context. Maybe Ted Kaczynski? Or perhaps Timothy McVeigh? As with most discussions of this nature, the luxury of context is not applied to Islam, because simply put, people don't like Islam.

      I think with this particular conversation, there are a lot of people's distaste for Islam, and to be honest, the Muslim community as a whole, that are prompting them to extravagantly claim that it is 'insulting' and 'disrespectful' to build such a site there. I feel this is just hyperbole covering up a deeper disgust of Muslims. Is it a poor choice? Possibly. However if you look at our history as a nation, it is not Islam that poses the threat. We, as Americans, do a pretty good job of killing each other based on our different beliefs already.

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
  • AreOh
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      AreOh  
    • crystalman:

      Ha, no thank you, friend. Your reluctance for civil discussion and adherence to biased perspectives based on nothing but personal opinion truly makes me smile. Whenever you're ready for honest conversation, I'll be waiting sir.

    • 1 year ago
  • 2helenahandbasket
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      2helenahandbasket  
    • AreOh:

      A comedian? He is speaking the total truth. I urge you to do a few simple searches on "Islam" and educate yourself. If you think Islam is our friend you have your head buried in the sand. You better wake up before you find yourself living under Islam's rule.

    • 1 year ago
  • AreOh
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      AreOh  
    • 2helenahandbasket:

      I was wondering when you were going to respond to one of my comments, 2Helana. I'll keep this one brief, because honestly, you have no idea what you are talking about. In light of the zealotry we are seeing in our country, assuming you are an American, I am more concerned about Christian fundamentalists than Islamic ones.

      Pat Condell, is in fact, comedian. This is common knowledge. The level of ignorance that you are displaying the commentator that you agree with is not surprising, considering your obvious distaste of Islam. It seems many that have biases against Islam we latch onto whatever commentaries agree with them, rather than considering the source and making informed decisions as to the nature of it.

    • 1 year ago
  • 2hellnwait
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      2hellnwait  
    • AreOh:

      Imho, I think you are blinded by your ideology. . . It is becoming increasingly more difficult to have the cajones to make a stand outside of the mantra of PC/political correctness = patronizing crap. . . and to call Islam for what it is. . . a heinous theological cancer that since the sixth century has been a pox upon all societies that have been foolish enough to give it room to fester. . . It's very presence is a death toll to any and all societies and cultures who allow it into their presence.

    • 1 year ago
  • AreOh
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      AreOh  
    • 2hellnwait:

      Ha, the amusing thing about your commentary is how similar it is to the suffocating ideals of Islamic radicals. If you are not with us you are against us. Ironically, they feel the same way about Christianity.

      Moving onto the 'pox' that you mention, you could, again, say the same thing about Christianity. You can qualify your words as, ha, cajones, as you say, but it is simply prejudiced rhetoric. No one is saying that there isn't a problem with people who follow Islam taking their beliefs too far. We all know this. However, you can say the same about any belief system. All you have to do is pick up a history book to see the body count that has been piled up in 'God's Name'.

      As to my ideology, you, again, have no idea what you are talking about. You are simply repeating rehashed rhetoric, complete with the standard 'you are blind/too pc' response. There is nothing interesting or unique about the hate that you are expressing. And it is quite boring. I challenge you to respond with an original thought. I will be waiting.

    • 1 year ago
  • 2hellnwait
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      2hellnwait  
    • AreOh:

      It is pointless to proceed with a "tit for tat," . . . however one defines who has done more atrocities - in the name of Judeo - Christianity or Islam, both have more than their share. . . yet which has bore the most "fruit' throughout history that has contributed to the benefit of mankind? . . I juxtapose that of the two, Judeo-Christianity has the greatest benevolent impact. . . which of course is my opinion and I believe history also bears witness.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • 2hellnwait:

      really, and they created algebra too,what during a coffe break from the murder and tyrany.i was going to make good on some fatwahs today but i have this great relative mathematic theory ive got to work out, but tomorrow its back to the killing fields.56 arab nations but we only found two worth invading and as each day passes we are finding that we are encountering more good muslums than bad.

    • 1 year ago
  • 2helenahandbasket
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      2helenahandbasket  
    • AreOh:

      Once again, I urge you to do some simple searches of the effects of Islam on free nations. There are thousands of articles and surely you can't turn a blind eye to them all. If you can read about it and still don't care, or think it's all bunk, then you're in for a big surprise. Radical Islam is coming soon, to a city near you.

    • 1 year ago
  • galwayman
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      galwayman  
    • patcondell has put this in terms even you liberals should understand.his "rant" as one of you put it, is dead on, and you have all been brainwashed to except this insult to the 3000 who died on 9/11 in an insane and immoral act committed by the same people behind this outrage! where is the anger? where is the outrage to the memory of our honored dead at this insult? having read your posts you are all traitors and would sell us out in a minute to the greatest danger western civilization has ever faced!

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
  • EdJoyProductions
  • galwayman
  • pigmonkey
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      pigmonkey  
    • What a joke! Thanks for the racist rant! I got a laugh out of it! I love how he ends it with "peace"! Who cares about this old man? I find the mega churches where I live in Kansas offensive for teaching the evolution is fake in schools and killing doctors. Are they closing any time soon?

    • 1 year ago
  • EdJoyProductions
  • EdJoyProductions
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      EdJoyProductions  
    • I agree with him. I am a New Yorker and I knew people that died on 9/11. I understand that not every individual that practices the religion of Islam is a psychotic murderer, unfortunately the men that committed this act were Muslims. We can equate this action to building an American Temple for Freedom on a site in Afghanistan where a predator drone killed innocent civilians by mistake. How pissed off do you think the fundamentalist jihadees would be if we did that?

      I am against all organized religion but I respect everyone's right to live their misguided lives. I just think that this particular plan is in the poorest taste and had the situation been reversed, I imagine that it would result in more innocent bloodshed. Political correctness and tolerance must have limits.

    • 1 year ago
  • pigmonkey
  • EdJoyProductions
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      EdJoyProductions  
    • pigmonkey:

      Yeah, but they just got finished hijacking and piloting planes into civilian targets.

      Do you actually know anyone that died? There is a disconnect for people that saw it on TV and those of us that actually lost friends and family. I am not saying that no innocent muslims died. I am saying that this is in poor taste and infuriating to victim's friends and families.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
  • EdJoyProductions
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      EdJoyProductions  
    • freecrack:

      The first part of that response was intended to be antagonistic. I was feeling mean. :)
      I realize that all kinds of people were killed. I just don't think that any religion that is responsible for murder should be glorified in a spot that were the murders took place.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • EdJoyProductions:

      i cant share the idea that the religion was responsable, but i also agree the symbolizism is to macabre aswell as insulting.

      i wasnt telling you so much the variety of people killed that day as much as siezing an opportunity to fight whatever rediculous conspricay theories are proliferating about that event.that binladen and bush were in cahoots, or mossad did it and no jews were killed that day.

      not directed at you just worthy of public placement

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • this guy is like those muppets at the in the balcony who just complain about the show mixed with the insane self rightiousness and confusion of abe simpson

    • 1 year ago
  • cracanata
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • cracanata:

      id love to, wheres the link to your exile of those you deem ignorant, as you are the hall moniter around these parts. you must be cuz there tend to more people on this thread in agreement that hes a crazy old bastard more than a beacon of truth so you cant be making this judgement based on consensus.

      btw whats it like to know everything must be nice

    • 1 year ago
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