Obama Adminstration's Ridiculous Pornography Trial Violates Constitution & Individual Rights

Come on, Dena. You should know better than that. You don't HAVE to be involved with things like porn and pot to at least understand that people should have the FREEDOM to engage in certain consensual acts or use these substances. What is it to you that the LP defends people's right to make sexually explicit material for PEOPLE WHO WANT IT (those who don't don't have to watch it and can refuse to buy it)? Do you NOT believe in freedom for "degenerates"? What is true freedom if not to prevent the gov't from violating civil liberties on things a lot of people find "offensive" or "libertine"?? THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE GOV'T and the Constitution (or at least that's the idea).

Get real.

"Democrats Gone Wild"?? Nice try, maam. The Libertarian Party and libertarians in general HATE the Democrats just as much as the GOP. We find both parties stifling and disgusting in general. Both are incredibly corrupt and promote their own versions of bigger gov't and vastly more spending. The LP is anything but "Democrats Gone Wild."

Sure, we agree with both parties on certain issues, but we also heavily disagree with them on many others.

If you join the peace and prosperity forum you can - they get in a big circle and do it all the time!

LOL!

Cthulhu? F'tagn?

It's not really looking all that well for the prosecution...at least as of yesterday. Hopefully, the case will be dismissed.

http://reason.com/archives/2010/07/16/star-witness-makes-a-liar-out

exactly, shanklin at least changeged his original pic with article.
it was about the bailout.

deception , lies , half truths & omission. the current Libertaran way.
we gotta keep an eye this guy

I'm a liar because I changed the picture from the actual article to something more appropriate? Deception?

What is TRULY deception is leading people into the false belief that status quo politicians like Obama & Bush are different, when they are doing many of the same things! You are the deceiver, I bring the truth. At least you guys are arguing the actual topic this time instead of attacking libertarians for "being stupid".

Obviously defending innocent people from insane laws that aim to censor is not one of your principles....move along neocon republicans..... you're days of controlling our personal habits are coming to an end!

Well you're defending neocon policies. I will read the article to you later after I get done with my conference. Is it really that hard to see what this Obscene Prosecution Task Force has been doing for a half a decade?!?

I want change, not people who use this government program to make life harder on porn film men. You can side with the status quo tyrants all day, that does not mean that this is right. They should not be trying to pull this guy down. Did you know the average American breaks 3 felonies a day on average? That means if the government wanted to come after us for the littlest thing, they could imprison you and your family for years...if they want to try to censor you. As long as you keep this false dichotomy in your mind, you will never see the attempts at censorship on this man that have been occurring for decades! OH NO, he didn't document his workers!!!! haha, what a joke...this is a witch hunt!

you keep saying Censorhip & Violating Rights,
why not tell us what rights & how he was censored?
& why the bailout pic with story?

You don't see the government trying to prosecute a man for not having records from 15 years ago? You must know that the right has for years been attacking personal choice and they are looking for reasons to screw this entrepreneur. Why do we need these bureaucracies? If it wasn't for this drain of taxes, big brother program, this guy wouldn't even be in this mess.

It's as if the Administration went through more trouble trying to continue Bush's policy than end this assault on personal freedom. All of this is a form of middleman extortion and control. He did nothing wrong and should be sent free. All of this, victimless crimes, the same sorts of laws that make marijuana illegal.

but no, you keep on defending these controllers....

oh stoney, you so troll.

i ask yet again . . .
censorship ? Rights violated ? can you back up your headline.

before you answer know this...
pornographers do not have a constitutional right to not keep records.

as everyone can see i have not defended anybodys actions, like you claim
i just pointed out your bogus claim that this Libertarian pornographer was censored in anyway. and no constitutional rights have been violated.

Oh that's right, you're a Commerce Clause usurper and anti-10th amendment advocate.

Answer this, where in the Constitution does it give the Federal Government the right to prohibit his actions and use force on him when he has not infringed on another person? No victim, no crime. This is against individual rights and the Constitution does not allow the Federal government to regulate in this manner.

Once again, just more of the same....

The fact that you can not answer Stoneyroad's question speaks loudly. Why the constant deception? Posting stories that are not news in the news group, misleading and false headlines, all this simply makes you and your cause appear dishonest and deceptive.

Before I ran across your posts on Current I was fairly neutral about libertarianism, and I consider myself a social libertarian. But your constant stream of propaganda and non-news, along with the attending gang of sock puppets, has turned me off to the libertarian party and made me highly suspicious of anyone who upholds libertarianism.

Your tactics defeat your cause. I urge you to reconsider your methods and strategy.

PS . i like how you copied whole story & stopped right at the disclaimer

Disclosure: John Stagliano has been a donor to the Libertarian National Committee.

I didn't include the whole story even if there was no disclaimer.

Read the indictment, dumbass. It is about the porn itself. Man, you really are losing face.

http://www.xbiz.com/docs/xbiz/news/92236_Stagliano%20indictment%20as%20filed.pdf

Thank you for pointing that out ! Speaks volumes .

its not because he makes porn. you were mislead to that assumption

...and you are only posting to spite Mike Shanklin. Read the indictment, and tell me whether prohibiting "obscene" material isn't censorship.

And want does "sustained" mean?

It does not necessarily mean "actively supported and endorsed".

It could just mean "is still here because no one paid any attention to it to get rid of it."

Blaming Obama for this is ludicrous.

It's like blaming Obama for "drill baby drill" in the Gulf.

No, the Keynesians already pushed drilling into deep waterss (which led to the unsafe drilling and oil spill). That is not an opinion, that is a fact. The government helped create the problem by making short water drilling illegal. Ironic enough, had the government stayed out of this and had not backed up BP with strict liability limits (a form of a bailout), none of this oil spill would of occurred. Besides, the oil spill happened under statism, not capitalism. What this is is corporate socialism, not laissez-faire economics.

Is it my fault that Obama has not worked on ending this program? I know if I was President and I had been in office for 18 months, I would of ended this insane Bush program long ago....but it makes the government and the Obama Admin. lots of power and money through tax extortion so they will never help you and your Freedoms.

The blame lies on both Bush AND Obama, one for starting the program, the other for "sustaining" it. We don't need a Obscene Prosecution Task Force and how dare anybody give any of these corrupt politicians any credence for not doing what's right.

I think you should have had a semi-colon after "plainly"

you were mislead, this is not censorship issue

I was under the impression that semi-colons are only to be used when both phrases before and after the semi-colon can stand alone as sentences.

I read your other link and I had to stop and laugh at the movie titles..."Milk Nymphos", "Storm Squirters 2 - Target Practice", and "Fetish Fanatic Chapter 5" ...

you've been hoodwinked, its not about whats on the tapes, or free speech.
lots of porn studios distribute movies without breaking commerce laws.

You are totally full of shit. Read the fucking indictment and then tell me that it isn't about censorship.

No, the Libertarians are defending someone who makes large donations to their political party.

Sounds like politics as usual to me.

As the article states....

What does that have to do with the fact Obama continued it? Bush and Obama are both horrible, what does that have to do with defending Freedom?

Are you going to blame Bush for everything? I blame him the most so far, but Obama is just doing the same old political game...

What does your pic of bailout have to do with your bogus story.

The answer is that he was accused of interstate trafficking of obscenity. That is right OBSCENITY.

You cartoon points out just how much republicans lie? And how realistic democrats are?

Oh, so you believe in the false left/right paradigm?!? As if one party cares about freedom more.

Why do you want the corrupt government giving you your morals anyways?

If everyone just followed natural law and left each other alone, this world wouldn't have most of the problems it currently experiences...

The republicrats are both horrible, and I don't want government legislating morality anyways.

shanklinmike,

Finally, another voice of reason on Current. They are hard to come by on this site.

Your so stuck on wanting to be libertarian that you ignore the commons sense solutions that the parties may have.

I agree that both parties are guilty of adding to the governments corruption.

And im not talking about legislating morality, but our leaders needs to have morals standards that can guide them toward making the right policy decisions

False left/right paradigm? Mind sending me a message explaining it?

Politics in this country is about dishing funds to the continually funded - who pay for the whole charade. Morals does not play for them - all are lies.

Any politicians talking morals is lying, politicians not talking morals are not lying about morals.

Anyone thinking anyone in politics have common concerns or moral judgments that weigh publicly has allowed themselves to be fooled.

You're hoping to hear a truth in a room full of liars.

They all know and you are the only one fooled.

You do know what a hypocrite is, don't you?

If someone states porn is evil, and they are caught watching porn, they are a hypocrite.

If someone says porn is just another entertainment genre, and they are caught watching porn, they are not a hypocrite.

In that cartoon, the republican elephant is guilty of setting his bar so high that not even he can reach it.

And just whose 'moral standards' are we talking about? The very term itself is vague, and one's morality isn't always going to be utilitarianism, or even for the benefit of the leader's voters.

Besides, morality does not always have to function based on common sense, or for the betterment of humans, animals or Earth. That can be seen time after time throughout history...

Kind of you to explain that UtopianSky .

Elephants can't jump.

The two-party system is ethically bankrupt. It's time for Americans to start thinking outside the box for a change. If the tea partiers just vote for another total Republican majority and get it this November, rather than at least a FEW Indies and 3rd party Congressmen, I'll have lost all faith in humanity. Do they REALLY wanna replace Obama with the same bullshit party they voted out just 4 years ago for screwing up??