China overtakes US in renewable energy investment

Say what you want, but when it all comes down to it, China only emits 0.7 trillion tons more carbon dioxide than the U.S., despite having over four times our population.

I believe thats because China is not a fully developed country yet, their plan to relocate the masses from the farms to the factories is not complete, for example, India has a population similar to China and their emissions are lower too. India is not developed also, so when the chinese imigration is complete, they will surpass the States in emissions for sure.

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Erm...they already HAVE surpassed the States.

(As they rightfully should, given the proportions...)

Yes my mistake, what I meant to say was that the gap will become even bigger.

How about Biofuels , solar and wind , not to mention geothermal ? It has been thought by scientists 70% of our energy could come from solar . A combination would be the most secure . Not good to put all your eggs in one basket - that is how we got here in the first place !

Actually, we do have the technology and knowledge for that. What we lack is the political and popular will.

I totally agree with you. We need to leave politics are aside and do what what is right. American economy is controlled by big corporations and not the will of the people.

I know hemp is good for the human race and you know that it is hell everybody that knows anything about the Chemical world knows it is but the petrol chemical world also knows it is a great product they also know it would put them out of busisness

You have smoked one to many times.

You obviously haven't smoked enough and are oblivious to all the virtues and uses of hemp.

China has long been kicking the US' ass.

Vierotcka , I had noticed . If they become energy independent , even mostly , it will be permanent .

I don't appreciate you distorting what I write.
Shame, little man.

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"China is a fucked up place, those are the facts. You have to call the ambassador and make an international incident just to get avoid getting screwed by companies there. And that's not new, it's been the culture for thousands of years." - Saladin

"I've never even conceived saying this to another human being, but Saladin, my friend, you are a person who can speak for me anytime." - ampersand

Yes, shame on me. The nerve of me, for having a memory!

You misstate what I write, then you quote Saladin, followed by an appreciative quote from me on things he's written to others not on the subject of China, (in this case, to EmpireGuy). You know, I don't think this will fool anyone on-line. They can all simply go back and read the comments posted.

Just so you don't waste any more of my time having to correct your eager little distortions here are both my quotes to you about our discussion of China:

"To calm-incense: I myself certainly wouldn't argue the point about American society not being fucked up.
However, if you think China is now a capitalist paradise, I've got a bridge in Chengdu you'd be interested in.
Just curious, calm, but have you ever been to China?"

To clam_incense: Hey, just for fun I thought I'd share this quote from the current issue of the Economist magazine (my favorite cheerleader of global capitalism) about China:

"IF YOU are the sort to worry at night about man-induced climate change, then book a stay at any of the new high-rise hotels going up on the edge of China’s big cities—start looking for them around the third ring road. When you stagger red-eyed out of bed to peer into the murky dawn, you will see rank upon serried rank of raw “superblock” developments, a mile apart, marching into the distance. You think of the emissions involved in their carbon-hungry construction, the traffic jams on the arteries tying them into the expanding city, and the new coal-fired power stations being built to light them up. And you wonder how Asia can change its habits—energy consumption grew by 70% in the ten years to 2008—before it is too late for all of us."

Yes, it's a veritable triumph of capitalism and' free enterprise' my boy....

How many times have you been to china?

Yes, your criticism of China was its pollution. I'd say the issue of renewable energy has quite a bit to do with pollution, wouldn't you?

I *was* going to post your quote from The Economist, but I figured quoting a quote would be confusing for readers. But if you want to stress your assertion that China is behind the US with regard to pollution, despite being cleaner at the per-capita level and ahead in total renewable energy investment, so be it.

Although I do my very best to avoid spending time in the People's Republic of China, I have been there on occasion. I'm generally in South East Asia every year. And perhaps to further confound some of "calm's" nervous and spiraling assertions, I should mention, I've even had Chinese business partners (from the PRC) here in the US.

You purposefully disregard my point, as seems to be your habit.
As you can see, I never called China "backward" as you asserted.
It's well paved over and got smoke stacks aplenty. It's even doing cutting edge work in automobile batteries.
If I didn't have the burden of conscience that I do, I'd likely find it just a jolly fine place to invest in. (As I used to joke," if you can't exploit the third world, who can you exploit?")
But China is not the third world. Its a big part of the world we all live on.
My view of what China is, and what it is doing, makes it not the kind of place I want to put my efforts.
With your heritage, I can see that you do. Feel free. Tell me in a few decades how that all works out for you.

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"My view of what China is, and what it is doing, makes it not the kind of place I want to put my efforts. "

Hm...

"China overtakes US in renewable energy investment"

So the world's biggest investor in renewable energy is not the kind of place you want to invest in?

Huh, ok. If you really despise renewable energy that much...

And I suppose you support investing in America? Even though it's the world's largest major emitter of carbon dioxide on a per-capita level?

Whatever floats your boat.

My god, you are such an ass.
I "don't want to invest in renewable energy,.I despise renewable energy"?
My specialty is sustainable design and development. I have been doing this for over three decades. I live in a fully sustainable off-grid solar home I designed and built myself.

I "don't want to invest out of America?"
I own projects out of America--in Asia, you ninny!

Please stop wasting my time with your juvenile crap.
Desist for a while from all your bullshit proclamations about how life should be for others and get out in the real world. Get a life and live it.

Does the Chine super wall buffet count? they have a great Happy Family. I would never eat off a buffet I have seen how nasty some people are.

Well excuse me for taking you at your word.

If you're so uncomfortable with other people taking what you say to reflect what you actually believe, maybe you should reevaluate what you say. Otherwise, misleading people like that just makes you a total ass.

You're only misleading yourself, Calm. Give it up. Spend some time alone and reflect on all the comments you've gotten here, not only from me, but from so many others.
If you can't pry the lid off your own misguided arrogance now, it will come in time.
I do, quite sincerely, hope it happens for you sooner, rather than later.
Have a good life.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but there are plenty here agreeing that China is forging a much more impressive track record than America when it comes to renewable energy investment and combating pollution.

All the "comments I've gotten here" are from you, so I'm not sure what your point is. I could just as easily say, "Reflect on all the comments you've gotten here" (likewise, they've all been from me).