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Cindy Sheehan Says Stop Voting for Either Wing of the War Party, Calls for Impeaching Obama

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During the campaign, many colleagues and friends of mine, assured me that Obama was just saying this hostile crap to “get elected” and once he was elected that he would “do the right thing.” Well, first of all, why support such a pandering Jackwagon, and secondly, how has that ever worked? Three days after Obama swore to uphold and defend the Constitution, he drone-bombed a “target” in Pakistan killing 3 dozen civilians—and since that day he has elevated the art of drone bombings to new heights, while the so-called antiwar movement looks on in silent complacency and while Democratic operatives disguised as antiwar groups are hoping against hope that Obama comes out strong with a new antiwar marketing campaign to assure his “re-election.” Even though not one progressive issue has been propagated during his term, these war supporters are looking forward to another four years of the dance of death. Right foot kill—left foot torture—spin around for environmental devastation—allemande left for health care fascism—and shimmy right for bankster bailouts. Wasn’t eight years of this crap during the Bush stain enough for y’all?

Many antiwar groups and people who claim they are for peace lose their minds during election season thinking that the razor-thin difference between the Democrat and Republican is enough to go ape-shit crazy in working for the Democrat.

Just take the last two Democratic candidates, for example. Kerry and Obama both supported more war. An “antiwar” movement de-legitimizes itself when it works hard for a candidate who does not promise total and rapid withdrawal of troops from wherever they happen to be at the time AND does not promise to end war as an imperial tool of corporate conquest.

The majority of the so-called antiwar movement, in fact, voted for a candidate that PROMISED to contract one war only to be able to profoundly EXPAND another. Obama all along said that he is not against all war, just “dumb wars.” If there existed an antiwar movement that had integrity—it would have said that “all wars are dumb,” and we withhold our support for just another dyed-in-the-wool warmonger.


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  • jubal
    • 0
      jubal  
    • I think that before third party candidates can become truly viable...we need to break the fucking monopoly of the two party system. There are states where you can't participate in the primaries if you are not one of the dialectic parties.

      It is a conundrum...and I appreciate very much what Unimatrix0 says, its true...voting for a third party will give the election to the Repubs....but so would voting for Tea Baggers, too.

      It certainly is going to be quite interesting in November to actually see what happens.

      Nader laid it out perfectly when he ran in 2000...he demonstrated to all of us just how corrupted the whole system is. He literally had to file suit to get on the ballot in some states.

      We need massive marches and protests to get the whole voting process changed...no more electoral college...public financing of all elections...restore the fairness doctrine where TV channels have to give equal time to opposing view points....and most importantly....stop excluding people from debates.

    • 1 year ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • jubal:

      You are absolutely correct. This political system doesn't even qualify to be a decent sham. It's geared to suppress people's votes, geared to do what it wants so it grew into an it. But right now imho politics has just about been shoved into the back seat and raped. It's the commercial money that's running this show. I'm tempted to say the commercial has become a world order of its own.

      Think about it jubal. Here we are over here in the US still claiming values like freedom and a decent day's wages while we purchase Goods from other countries that still uses slave wages and sex trades [and everything we supposedly abhor in human society] but the dollar bill outranks the whole lot of us being -supposedly- horrified by how the workers are treated => in China, Singapore, Malaysia, and everywhere else not listed.

      This makes every United States citizen purchasing their Goods a complete total hypocrite of the highest order. We are accomplices in a world we say we reject. The word hypocrite is too good for us. We are now rolling in their mud.

    • 1 year ago
  • Gravity_Man
  • jubal
    • 0
      jubal  
    • Gravity_Man:

      Indeed gravity man...we need to take our country back..but not the way the Tea Party wants to do it. We need to have every single person recognized, valued and equal...regardless of their religion, race, gender, sexual orientation, sexual identity, age, and every other classification ....everyone is equal in the eyes of the laws and have inalienable rights that should never be denied or taken away for any reason.

    • 1 year ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • jubal:

      You are truly an optimist. I would like to be an optimist also and in fact believe I am. You would think with the power of supercomputer arrays we could sculpt out a new order, establish worldwide equality and all that. But for that to happen you have to sculpt out some new people. The ones we have in control now leave something to be desired.

    • 1 year ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • There is only one war party and its the Military Industrial complex...they get the no bid contracts and they drag all of us into war with their money as speech they pour into willing campaigns.

    • 1 year ago
  • brit50
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      brit50  
    • We will be in Afghanistan for many years to come. Not only to help stop the threat of terrorism, but to create a strong presence in the region (due to oil).

    • 1 year ago
  • shanklinmike
  • unimatrix0
  • shanklinmike
  • nursediesel
  • shanklinmike
  • nursediesel
  • TomTucker
  • nursediesel
    • +1
      nursediesel  
    • TomTucker:

      Sorry, I disagree. Cindy Sheehan isn't even fighting her son's battle as she claims. They disagreed. He wanted to go to fight for and protect his and her country. Whether he was right or wrong she's a woman on a mission to get revenge for the death of her son. To the point of insanity. I don't trust her as far as i can throw her.

    • 1 year ago
  • nursediesel
    • +1
      nursediesel  
    • TomTucker:

      BTW, I agree with Ron Paul on our helping other countries fight their wars. Our military should protect us, in this country from invasion and from overthrow...not fighting for others unless we plan on doing it right and quit pissing around causing more destruction than needed.

    • 1 year ago
  • BKsaysAction
  • MrMxyzptlk
  • shanklinmike
    • +1
      shanklinmike  
    • MrMxyzptlk:

      Supporting 3rd parties actually benefits society much more than supporting the 2 party system. It is not a waste and the libertarian party has injected it's ideals into the arena (at least no one can blame this on Freedom, we haven't had freedom in this country, or world..EVER). Point is, countries with strong 3rd parties have less corruption, more aware public, and it allows the 2 party train to push us only so far. You are helping society, not hurting it when you support ideals outside the 2 party trainwreck.

    • 1 year ago
  • MrMxyzptlk
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
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    • MrMxyzptlk:

      Exactly! And that's why world order has to come from an outside source => http://www.watchtower.org/e/20060715/article_02.htm# because for all the fairness doctrines and ideals we pen, unless they are backed up with enough muscle Greed takes over under every form of government, and those who crave power over others. And somehow there always seems to be a ready populace that craves to live under that power, even rooting for their choice of dominance no matter who else has to die.

      Freecrack has posted much information on Current detailing how the royal lineage has been forever lost in physical Israel. Well, there was a reason that happened. The sceptor was passed => the right to rule went to a spiritual Israel. Jesus is on the throne now. Disasters that used to happen spelled by lulls in the storm now come piggy-backed for the first time in human history. Iceland's two side-by-side volcanoes are just one example as they now have one quake after another.

      When the night sky is illuminated, whether by passing comets or a divine cause, the stars will then appear to have run away per the prophecy of Joel. The sun will go dark, likely in both a physical and a prophetic way, the prophetic having already happened, then the sun will appear as if covered with sack cloth of goat's hair. The Moon will then turn red as blood. There are only a few prophecies now standing between today and "the End".

      Except that the End is also a New Beginning for those who accept the incoming government [in scripture referred to as the kingdom of God]. The days aren't getting any longer. This is the time to choose sides. Choose wisely is always good advice.

    • 1 year ago
  • MrMxyzptlk
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • MrMxyzptlk:

      Hey! It's Friday night! Didn't anybody take ya to wrestling on Friday night before? Old people get to have memories too ya know. Discrimination! Discrimination here! Hush Percy.

    • 1 year ago
  • Stoneyroad
  • chaos1
  • ScottyT
  • CalPal
  • TheEmpireGuy
  • jubal
  • TheEmpireGuy
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      TheEmpireGuy  
    • We need to be gone. Not just there, in the middle east. Everywhere. And it needs to happen now. Not tomorrow, or the day after and not on some arbitrary time line spanning years which will still live some number of troops in these places for indefinite periods of time.

      Our interventionism must end.

    • 1 year ago
  • Nephwrack
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      Nephwrack  
    • ok. reality check... how many wars did obama start? 0. how many has he promised to end? 2. sheehan is nothing but an attention whore now. she's calling for impeachment of the guy who wants to (and is in the process of) put an end to the wars.

    • 1 year ago
  • TheEmpireGuy
  • afloyd60
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      afloyd60  
    • Nephwrack:

      replacing soldiers with a higher number of contractors in iraq. escalating troop levels and hostilities in afghanistan. imposing sanctions on iran, that if the shoe were on the other foot would be considered an act of war. generals who are now saying the pullout date next year will probably not be met. reality check... how many wars has obama ended? 0. the evidence shows he's not trying to end any of these wars. cindy sheehan is simply speaking the truth.

    • 1 year ago
  • Nephwrack
  • afloyd60
  • freecrack
    • -2
      freecrack  
    • she is a puppet.she has been duped by every group we have.taking advice from her at this point is like some one fucking all your friends, but trying to tell you your special.

    • 1 year ago
  • PirateSauce
  • TheEmpireGuy
  • unimatrix0
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      unimatrix0  
    • The simplistic claim that both parties are the same is a malicious fallacy that will only serve the purposes of conservative Republicans. Liberals must hang together or they will certainly hang separately.

      Sheehan may be sincere, or she may be trying to extend her 15 minutes further, either way she is wrong.

      The idea of impeaching Obama is simply absurd - he is doing exactly what he promised. Anyone who was paying attention during the campaign would know this.

      As it is Shehan is just playing into the hands of right wingers - it may make her and her supporters feel good, but their self righteous circle jerk will only harm the country, and help the right wing gain and conserve power.

    • 1 year ago
  • ScottyT
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      ScottyT  
    • unimatrix0:

      Cindy Sheehan is not wrong, and you can take this one to the bank. Perhaps this is why she, and millions of other like-minded folks, are calling for what they're calling for. But hey, this thread isn't pertaining to your crusade to prove that half of this country are a bunch of Christian racist nutjobs, so I think you're a little out of your league.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZvWilRn0L8

    • 1 year ago
  • Nephwrack
  • unimatrix0
  • wally60
  • ScottyT
  • tommic
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      tommic  
    • unimatrix0:

      I can only add that more significant legislation has been passed and a nuclear arms deal with the Russians, president Obama has accomplished more in eighteen months than Bush did in eight years. As far as Afghan war and drones that kill civilians, its sad that people who so believe in their cause are asuch cowards that they hide behind civilians, most of the time forced, and if not forced they are colaborators who are in a no win situation. But in the end, a few thousand dead civilians or millions of dead civilians when radical islamic terrorists get hold of a Pakistani nuclear weapon. Personally, I take a few thousand dead instead of millions.

    • 1 year ago
  • ScottyT
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      ScottyT  
    • tommic:

      Yeah, we listened to that bullshit under the last jerkoff-in-chief. If I'm not mistaken, that's the reasoning used to go in there in the first place.

    • 1 year ago
  • noxidereus
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      noxidereus  
    • unimatrix0:

      Liberals/progressives must realize that the Democrats do not represent us. The only Democrat I truly like is Dennis Kucinich. Both parties represent large corporations and the rich. Democrats pander to liberals the way that Republicans pander to Christians - neither are sincere - it's just a way to get votes. As an Independent, no longer will I be voting Democrat just because I want to prevent the Republicans from winning. I will vote for the most liberal/progressive candidate regardless of their perceived chances of winning. I will not be voting for Obama for a second term. I fart in both parties' general direction. Actually, I spray sharts in their general direction.

    • 1 year ago
  • tommic
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      tommic  
    • ScottyT:

      ScottyT, while I agree with you much of the time on this one I disagree, I have no illusion that the goal in Pakistan is the aquisition of nuclear weapons. Pakistan has them unlike Iraq that had only very small quatities of poison gas weapons. Your entitled to your opinion but reality dictates something else

    • 1 year ago
  • toyotabedzrock
  • toyotabedzrock
  • unimatrix0
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      unimatrix0  
    • noxidereus:

      If you don't vote for the dems and vote a third party you are defacto voting for conservatives - I urge you to abandon your naive and Pollyanna outlook and be pragmatic - Obama is not perfect but he is far better than any Republican.

    • 1 year ago
  • noxidereus
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      noxidereus  
    • unimatrix0:

      This is exactly the conundrum I was in during the 2008 election. My vote for Obama was a vote against McCain/Palin. I supported Kucinich until he dropped out.

      I keep flip-flopping because I really don't want the Republicans in there, but the deeper I look, the more it seems like Democrats aren't really very different. I like their rhetoric more, but it seems like it is not sincere. I am starting to think that the Republican v Democrat rivalry is just for show. I am an Independent. I was with the Democrats but Obama kept not delivering and I think he is just a corporate tool like the rest. As of now, I am not planning to vote for a second Obama term unless there is no more progressive candidate than he.

      Politics is a fairly new thing for me. I only started paying attention during the latter couple of years of the Bush administration. I started paying attention because of how horrible the Bush administration was. Obama is continuing a lot of the things I didn't like about Bush. It is very disheartening.

      I really think that elections are for show. I don't think we really have a choice. I do not choose a pro-corporate, pro-rich candidate, but they all seem to be. Almost all. Unless a candidate is favored by the mega-corporations, the majority will never even really hear about him/her.

      I just don't trust the Democrats anymore.

      Maybe I should just go back to not paying attention. I was less depressed then. Of course I won't do that, but part of me wants to. This sucks.

    • 1 year ago
  • TomTucker
  • TheEmpireGuy
  • NotFooled
  • TomTucker
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • NotFooled:

      SARAH PALIN is a media ho. Cindy Sheehan was a bona fide
      contender to Pelosi's H.R. seat. And what did she get for playing square ?
      As I recall, since I don't get mind controled into memory loss by watching
      empty headed TV " news ", Cindy Sheehan was the victim of a Burglary
      and Felony Eavesdropping in Denver during the Democratic Convention
      of 2008. And her campaign headquarters In California was also targeted
      to be the victim of violent crimes and disruption from forces outside her control.

      It would be as absurd as it would be reckless for anyone to speculate
      that she herself was responsible for all that crime. If she were, yes, then
      that would support your assertion. Without proof, it's only defamation of
      character, and actual malice. Wasn't her son a casualty of the Iraqi War ?

      Since noone's criminaly prosecuted Bush/Cheny yet, it's obvious that it
      would be out of order to scapegoat people saddled with such a corrupt
      system to contend with. You can thank Nixon/Regan/the Bushes for that.
      We need the People to wake up and support the formation of a 3rd and 4th
      Party system here in the USA. One to function as opposing the systematic
      Corporate corruption of legitimate Constitutional Government. And another
      to keep them honest, and from being too cocky. Of course the current 2
      parties aren't fulfilling their intended function. The USA wouldn't have to
      contend with a train wreck for an economy if the Corporation Party weren't
      botching things by playing musical chairs with the Gummint.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
  • TomTucker
    • +3
      TomTucker  
    • IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT BARACK H. OBAMA FOR WAR CRIMES

      Whereas Barack H. Obama is Commander In Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces and the head of the Executive Branch of the U.S. government; and,

      Whereas the illegal U.S. invasion, bombing and occupation of Iraq initiated by the Bush administration continues under the Obama administration; and,

      Whereas the U.S. government is currently engaged in illegal wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan and Obama has pledged to increase the number of military personnel and the amount of tax dollars spent on the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan; and,

      Whereas the U.S. military has used and continues to use depleted uranium munitions, cluster bombs and white phosphorous in densely populated areas in violation of U.S. and international laws and treaties prohibiting the indiscriminate killing of civilians; and,

      Whereas the Geneva Conventions specifically prohibit the use of especially injurious weapons and materials that cause unnecessary harm by remaining active and deadly after a battle and over large areas of land; and,

      Whereas a large number of babies born in Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from illness and deformity like Down’s syndrome, weak hearts, severe disfigurement and brain damage that doctors believe are caused by the U.S. military’s massive and widespread use of toxic and radioactive materials; and,

      Whereas millions upon millions of Iraqi, Afghani and Pakistani civilians have been killed, maimed, poisoned and displaced from their homes as a direct result of the U.S.’s ongoing, illegal acts of war; and,

      Whereas illegal, immoral and counterproductive detainee torture and brutalization at the hands of the U.S. military’s Immediate Reaction Force continue at Guantanamo under the Obama administration; and,

      Whereas Obama is an accessory after the fact for obstructing justice by not initiating an investigation into numerous and blatant U.S. war crimes committed by the Bush administration for which it is manifestly accountable under the rule of law; and,

      Whereas Veterans For Peace supported the impeachment of Bush/Cheney for the same war crimes that are now being committed by Obama in violation of the U.S. Constitution, U.S. federal laws, the United Nations Charter, the Hague Convention, the Geneva Conventions, The United Nations Convention Against Torture and the Nuremberg Tribunal Charter; and,

      Whereas Veterans For Peace is committed to its stated mission to restrain our government from intervening, overtly or covertly, in the internal affairs of other nations, to seek justice for veterans and victims of war, to increase public awareness of the costs of war, and to abolish war as an instrument of national policy; and, therefore be it

      Resolved that Veterans For Peace calls on the U.S. House of Representatives to immediately begin impeachment proceedings against Barack H. Obama for failure to uphold his sworn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America from all enemies foreign and domestic, and for his commission of war crimes, crimes against humanity, obstruction of justice and the violation of numerous national and international laws, treaties and conventions.

    • 1 year ago
  • Gravity_Man
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • Gravity_Man:

      Surely Sheehan knows she has to fail. No President can stop war because he would run afoul of 1 Thessalonians Ch. 5 vs 3 => when people cry Peace & Security destruction will come instantly upon them. The Bible Prophecy there is stopping the United States government short of ending the wars in Iraq.

      We are stuck in a revolving door of FEAR so the deaths must continue. We have to -at all costs- remain in Matthew Ch. 24 vs 6 => "there will be wars and reports of wars" so? We always have to have a WAR. Sheehan may as well pack it in, and any Sheehan sympathizers. It ain't gonna happen.

      Stopping wars would allow this prophecy to slide under the door => http://concordance.biblebrowser.com/al3/matthew/24-6.htm

    • 1 year ago
  • Gravity_Man
  • Gravity_Man
  • FtheBULLSHT
  • Evan_Prichard
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      Evan_Prichard  
    • She doesn't make this a democratic or republican issue, rather just a human issue, a lesson I think is foregone by too many people in this country. Kudos

    • 1 year ago
  • JanforGore
  • kennymotown
    • +1
      kennymotown  
    • I feel for Cindy, the wars are not only killing innocent people but they are killing our country's budget. But not voting only favors the republicans and they are the ones who started these wars. We have already been through the apathetic era and those that don't vote have nothing to bitch about.

    • 1 year ago
  • TomTucker
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      TomTucker  
    • kennymotown:

      They started them with the help of the Democrats and now they are gone. Why are we still in Iraq and Afghanistan? Try to think outside your two party world for just one F'in moment if that is possible. LOL!!

    • 1 year ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • kennymotown:

      And what about those who do vote and are betrayed? I voted for president in 2000 and what did I get? I sure as hell didn' t get justice nor the president who actually won the election and the one I knew would lead this country in the right direction. So what do I get in return for voting and having it subverted? Where is my justice? Ever since that event a decade ago, you will notice not much has gone right for this country.

    • 1 year ago
  • kennymotown
    • +1
      kennymotown  
    • TomTucker:

      And of course Obama said we would withdrawal from Iraq on the exact time table we are on, and he also said he would up the troop size in Afghanistan. All elections promises and words he has kept. He is not the Liberal you all try to paint him!

    • 1 year ago
  • kennymotown
  • TomTucker
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • kennymotown:

      And just what would be wrong if he were a Liberal? Why do you appear to be embarrassed about that? But you are right, because if he were a true Liberal he would not have voted for all of the war funding while he was in the Senate, and he would be calling for ending these wars, not upping the troop size. And today it was announced that the UK's troops will not be out until 2014, so just what do you think that means for our troops since Obama and Cameron were meeting? Innocents and troops are still dying under his command as they did under Bush's. When you look at this from the same perspective as with Bush, how can you think to defend this continuing? But don't get me wrong, I have no love for the hypocrites on the right coming out of the woodwork calling for his impeachment now when they allowed Bush and his criminal regime to lie to the American people and the world to get the "war" in Iraq. Playing politics with this war has done nothing but continue the killing and bring us an uncertain future for our children. We need to end this now.

    • 1 year ago
  • kennymotown
  • kennymotown
    • +1
      kennymotown  
    • JanforGore:

      Jan you know me better than that! Unless Obama was totally faking even his financial backers isn't a liberal and you know I am, in fact I'm a democratic socialist. The country wasn't ready to elect a true Liberal and you know that too. We got what we got and the man is trying like hell to change a lot of friggin things that would have been off the table with a right winger in there. So give up, if you want but not me. The changes are coming and to me the republicans have been screwing themselves in standing up with oil company's, bankers and against unemployment. The writing is on the wall, all we need to do is keep working for progressive candidates wherever we can.bearing

    • 1 year ago
  • CarlosIsDown
  • kennymotown
  • JanforGore
  • JanforGore
  • kennymotown
  • TomTucker
  • ScottyT
    • +4
      ScottyT  
    • I love Cindy Sheehan. She sticks to her guns, and is not going to let up until these immoral and unconstitutional wars are over. It's great to see that people are still paying some attention to her. She's not about right and left--she's about right and wrong.

    • 1 year ago
  • TomTucker
  • TomTucker
  • daveinLA
  • NotFooled
  • ScottyT
  • daveinLA
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