We May Actually Live Inside a Black Hole, Vincent
source: http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-07/we-might-be-living-black-hole-scientist-says
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Scientists trying to explain the universe’s accelerating expansion usually point to dark energy, which seems to be pushing everything apart.
But an Indiana University professor has a new theory, reports New Scientist: We’re inside a black hole that exists in another universe. Specifically, a black hole that rebounded, somewhat like a spring.
Some fairly mind-blowing physics is involved here, but the gist is that Nikodem Poplawski of IU-Bloomington used a modified version of Einstein’s general relativity equation set that takes particle spin into account.
Including this variable makes it possible to calculate torsion, part of the geometry of space-time. It also gets rid of the black hole singularity, a phenomenon that general relativity cannot explain.
In a study published earlier this year, Poplawski said when the density of matter reaches epic proportions, torsion counters gravity. This prevents matter from compressing indefinitely to a singularity of infinite density. Instead, matter rebounds like a spring, and starts expanding again.
In Poplawski's latest study, his calculations show that space-time inside the black hole expands to about 1.4 times its smallest size in as little as 10-46 seconds -- two orders of magnitude faster, for lack of a better word, than the Planck time. This brisk bounce-back could have been what led to the expanding universe that we see today.
But here's the real kicker: as Poplawski says, we may not be living in our universe at all; we might be living inside a rebounded black hole that exists in a different universe.
We could tell by measuring the preferred direction of our universe. A spinning black hole would have imparted some spin to the space-time inside it, which would violate a law of symmetry that links space and time. This might explain why neutrinos oscillate between their antimatter and regular-matter states.
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-07/we-might-be-living-black-hole-scie...
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Ragan
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This could well explain the spin of all galaxies as they were thrown out of the black hole one at a time over the billions of years. and the black hole is the reason for the expansion of inflation of the Universe.
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Ragan
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dou4u2
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Mass and energy are both but different manifestations of the same thing — a somewhat unfamiliar conception for the average mind.
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dou4u2
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dou4u2
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dou4u2:
Whether you can observe a thing or not depends on the theory which you use. It is the theory which decides what can be observed.
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dou4u2
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Cococalves
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but if torsion prevents the creation of a singularity then does that mean the big bang never happend?
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Cococalves
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webmoocher
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Cococalves:
Does that mean that "the Big Bang" was actually the beginning of the rebound?
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webmoocher
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kennymotown
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I was wondering what the hell that smell was!
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kennymotown
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pjacobs51
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kennymotown:
Speak for yourself, dear brother.
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pjacobs51
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kennymotown
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pjacobs51:
You got to admit that was funny, was it not?
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kennymotown
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pjacobs51
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kennymotown:
Yes, but . . . is it the "good" smell . . . or the "bad" smell?
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pjacobs51
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kennymotown
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pjacobs51:
I think it depends which black hole we are in!
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kennymotown
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ThoughtNu
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kennymotown:
'Our' greatest aspiration may be prairie dogin' it? Colossal whack a mole?
Anyone know if Poplawski used to work as a carnie?
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ThoughtNu
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Mekha_Desh
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Interesting.
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Mekha_Desh
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ezrierin
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I say we go back to 2000 and hit George Bush with a bat to lower his IQ from 85 to 70. That should keep him out of office. NO WAIT! If he goes down to 70, then every conservative will understand him and still think he is wise! F'ing paradigms! Forget it!!!
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ezrierin
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kennymotown
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ezrierin:
Not a bad idea though!
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kennymotown
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remanns
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the wonderful thing about space-time
space-times a wonderful thing
on top its made out of black holes
and black holes are acting like springsit trouncy bouncy flouncy wouncy
fun fun fun fun funthe most wonderful thing about space-time ;
NOT- the only one ! - 1 year ago
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remanns
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morgantj
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So it is turtles all the way down?
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morgantj
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remanns
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morgantj:
Springy turtles; its a universe of tiggers hopping about up and down on top of each other all over the place. FESTIVE ! +^d
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Glory77777
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I always knew that.
I see nothing else just a black hole around me. - 1 year ago
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remanns
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Glory77777:
Glory77777 is a VERY kewl name +^d !
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remanns
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UtopianSky
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I believe in the Whoville theory, first proposed by professor Horton.
http://douggeivett.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/horton-hears-a-who_1.jpg
We are all living on a speck on a dandelion.
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UtopianSky
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UtopianSky
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So, basically, we live in a pimple.
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UtopianSky
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UtopianSky:
Yes, that's a fair assessment seeing as that's about as informative as the study.
I got voted down but I'll say it again: This article is completely pointless and does not further any scientific thought. At all. I'll take the theory a step further, I'll also assume as much as they did and provide no evidence: We could be living inside a black hole, that's inside a black hole, that's inside a wormhole, that is inside a black hole. WHew, I'm a genius by their standards.
This is about as prolific as Christians saying that God exists. No evidence, and it'd can't be disproved.
It's POOR SCIENCE and hardly philosophy.
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Rickbischoff
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1779fleet
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Space time is accepted to be 13.7 billion years.
If we follow the bouncing ball example a person at a train station observes that a ball bounced on the car of a passing train has traveled the distance of the train plus the distance of the bounce up and down. The person on the train only sees the distance of the up and down bounce. Both motions took the same time but the distances were perceived as different.
We really have no idea how fast we are moving, how big we are or how many dimensions we occupy in relation to a constant. The black hole thing would give some credibility to Einstein’s delta constant albeit in a different context.
************Warning I am a professional garbage truck mechanic theoretical physics is a bit out of my wheelhouse.
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1779fleet
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1779fleet:
At lest your Honest about it ^+1
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bailey78
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bailey78:
I like that "vote" notation of yours,....I might switch over. Hmmmmm,.....but I like they way mine sounds when voclaized in the privacy of my own mind ; " plus veed " and " minus veed ". Yours turns into something like " up plus one" and I guess " down minus one "
I will have to think about it, these things are important ! ( not universal cosmology- black hole important )
+^d OR ^+1 that !
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remanns
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remanns:
Well I got that there critter because it is another Vote. Ya see because You can only vote once. So I voted it up twice kind of in my own mind Ya see??.
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bailey78:
ah ha !
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remanns
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bailey78
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remanns:
I only act stoopid . Because I'm really good at it. Plus it lets me get away with shit others can't.
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bailey78
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ThoughtNu
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Another example of how science and religion have morphed into each other. No matter which 'theory' you chose to accept, no matter the equations, computations or bowel of origin; without the ability to VERIFY such claims; it is just another 'belief'
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ThoughtNu
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ThoughtNu:
I'm pretty sure this explanation does not have enough evidence to be considered a scientific theory. If this individual does not provide a means to test his hypothesis, then he really isn't practicing Science so much as Philosophy...
Wait a minute, is that why you stated it 'theory'? You sly devil you.
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ThoughtNu:
Thank God someone else understands this to be utter bullshit. Yes, the god thing is a joke.
It's like someone smoked a joint and now they understand the universe. Actually, maybe if they'd smoke they might come up with better ideas; I know a few stoners far smarter than these 'scientists'.
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ThoughtNu:
Well,....with this sort of thing you can at least THINK ABOUT how you would go about further exploration and testing of the theory, as opposed to simply being resigned to "taking belief,....or disbelief on faith. Religions frequently actually get ENTHUSIASTIC about taking cosmologies on faith. So I would say that there IS a difference,....even if they share a certain "far outness".
p.s BLACK HOLES ARE GROOVY! ( however they really turn out to function )
+^d
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remanns:
Agreed , this does offer something to work with.
Lots of numbers n letters to keep 'us' boffins with a subscription to 'Sharpie Monthly' and chemical resistant pocket protectors , busy .
I don't think enough people are 'aware' that every choice ... even those there after, come from 'belief' or hope in a certain out come ... in perpetuity.If I came across 'resigned' for omitting another perspective, it was not my intention.
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ThoughtNu
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Cubejam
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I thought life ceased to exist inside a black hole? O.o
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Cubejam:
Different theory.
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Cubejam:
Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?
I read your comment and this was all I could think about - 1 year ago
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Cubejam:
Then maybe we are not alive!
Whooooooooooo! - 1 year ago
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TopScruffy
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The Russians actually have torsion field technology.
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KaleidoscopeEyes
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If I learn more stuff like this, my head's gonna explode.
"Actually, children, each star is a tiny, tiny galaxy made up of millions of black holes. But don't worry-- they're backwards black hole things. So we won't die. And stuff."
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KaleidoscopeEyes:
Heh .+^d
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i'm sticking with the old theory
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Stoneyroad:
Does your submarine have windows?
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bailey78
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Buddha2112
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What a useless fucking study. Sounds like no-name scientists trying to be famous by 'discovering something'. Great, why don't you fucking do something with your conclusion... oh wait, you can't, because it doesn't change anything.
Great job.
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Buddha2112:
Yeah, learning is for neeerrrrrds!
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Mark701
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Yep, this would explain a lot.
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Nephwrack
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jeebus. so much for getting me some Na'vi booty...
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Einsam_Data_Old:
gtd? explain? lol what does it mean?
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Einsam_Data_Old:
Gestational trophoblastic disease? :)
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Einsam_Data_Old:
oh. if your deity thinks that's disgusting then well... i give a flying rat's butt.
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Einsam_Data_Old:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=G.T.D.
interesting. i didnt want to go thru 17 pages of definitions... sooo...yes, i went there girlfriend. edit: that was one of em... d.g.t.g. dont go there girlfriend hehe srry... i wasnt trying to be a jerk.
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Einsam_Data_Old:
lol srry! just never heard that one and when i looked it up came up with a blank... no offense!
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i call bullshit. science, you silly.
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bailey78
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Ya know what i'm not going to say what I want because I like it here but come on folks We know more about Space than We do about Our own Planet! W.T.F. is up with that? Shouldn't We be learning about What it takes to feed and House This Planet ?? I watch what some of you folks post and DAMN I just thought I was Fucked Up in the Head. I'm starting To think I may be the Normal one. Hey Folks just because ya'll can't Tell things are going to hell on Gressed Skates. Then Hey pull your ass out of the Cloud of smoke. I don't know which is in worst shape the planet or the Goverment.
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bailey78:
looks like this bailey...
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bailey78:
the cool thing about learning is that you can learn about what interests you, as astrophysicists have chosen to do. As earth scientists choose to study the earth. crazy, i know, freedom is just nuts.
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bailey78:
I don't think we know more about space than our own planet. . .
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likeamazing:
Thats Freedom for Ya always getting in the way of things.
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CarlosIsDown:
I think we do.
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Incredulous:
Needs fire
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bailey78:
We definitely don't, that should take about 2 seconds to figure out.
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mindcruzer:
Nope I'm right your wrong I said so.
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versasrev
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I'm not surprised to hear about this, just surprised to hear about it now.
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....so Alice in Chains had it right, we are "down in a hole, losing controll"
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reactionforce
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Isn't torsion physics a near completely unrecognized and rejected theory?
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reactionforce:
IDK. It might just be an area of mathematical study that hasn't been applied much. A similar case would be Topology, which itself was and is still very little known with exceptions to black holes. I think it would be hard to prove it as rejected in either which case.
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versasrev:
Yeah, I buy that.
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Is this why my life sucks?
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CarlosIsDown:
See below, comment by CalgarC
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bailey78
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Well it could be worst.
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CalgarC
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thats a funny way to think about our governments... "a black hole"
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"According to modified general relativity equations, our universe may be inside a black hole, the black holes in our universe may contain other universes, and the black holes in those universes may contain other universes... I need to smoke something now."
loveeee that first paragraph because thats exactly what i thought when i saw this article
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cclark_productions:
before you light one up goggle Neil Degrasse Tyson... you will want to smoke ven more :D
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onemalefla:
2 funny.
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onemalefla:
Hey Butt head! She is cute. I’d hit that! LOL! Also, the screaming level of hypocrisy of most men absolutely blows my mind! I AM FAT!!! Get MOST guys in a place where their shallow egos can be protected from on lookers, and it is penis city! I know it is a nice city, friendly people, fancy bedding, and a real stiff adherence to fun, fun, fun! Lmao!
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onemalefla:
That just means that everything is shorter and wider than we're used to in the actual universe.
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onemalefla:
That is not a black hole,...that is a WHITE.......... nevermind
( must be a sting theory thing )
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onemalefla:
My eyes...my eyes.....
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onemalefla:
I lol'd.
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lionessgrrl
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Thats the sound of my brain crackin'.
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http://current.com/groups/space/91348567_the-electric-universe-1.htm
I'll take the Electric Universe Theory over this science fiction quackery any day.
www.current.com/groups/electric-universe - 1 year ago
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rodstradamus:
Hey, everybody knows there is no name calling in black holes.
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rodstradamus:
Not this woo bullshit again. Give it a rest buddy.
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Nice theory, best I have heard yet. Never the less, one of many. Scientific curiousity has driven humans to technology and shaped our development, always chasing the Question. What happens to us when we solve every riddle the Universe hides (if we do)? Use that knowledge and create life, becoming Gods in our on right?
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thetrimsmith:
Depend on your definition of God. I say, whatever we become, why not. Give me a human form robot body and tell Scotty warp speed.
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This is no hypothesis or theory. It is a LAW! All one has to do is come to Nevada to realize you are in the middle of one mindless big fat black hole to nowhere! Caveat: Las Vegas and Reno are cool. Giggles!
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...I SO want to post a link to a The Order of the Stick comic strip, but it's a big spoiler if you see it without reading everything before.
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DUDE! I came up with the exact same idea after taking mescaline! I established that the Big Bang of the Universe was the opposite side of a black hole, etc.
Then I saw a bunch of planets colliding and stuff for the next 14 hours in my head...
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EmperorThan:
Mescaline taught me that drugs are fun. :)
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EdJoyProductions:
Peyote was mine. And it was legal lol
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Einsam_Data_Old:
Stuff + learn = gewd!
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