CODEPINK Calls on Obama to Pardon WikiLeaks Whistleblower
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Private Bradley Manning, a 22 year old intelligence analyst with the US Army, stands accused of disclosing a classified video of American troops shooting civilians from an Apache helicopter. New evidence links Manning to the Afghan War Logs posted on WikiLeaks this week. He faces up to 52 years in jail. The whistleblower behind the Vietnam era’s Pentagon Papers, Daniel Ellsberg, has called Mr. Manning a “hero”.
We believe that without the efforts of people like Bradley Manning who risk prosecution to show the truth, the information we need to hold our government accountable may never be made public.
WikiLeaks' founder says that the latest leak reveals "evidence of war crimes." Yet just after the WikiLeaks release, Congress approved another $37 billion for the war in Afghanistan.
No soldiers involved in the videotaped killings of civilians have faced charges.
No top-level officials in the Bush and Obama administrations have been held accountable, or even investigated, for their roles in potential war crimes. But whistleblower Bradley Manning sits in jail -- in solitary confinement.
Join us in telling President Obama to pardon Bradley Manning. He deserves to come home with the rest of the troops in Iraq at the end of August.
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pinkpanther
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Follow up to the story...
VIDEO | Veterans and Activists Rally for Wikileaks Whistleblower (CNN)
http://current.com/technology/92595944_video-veterans-and-activists-rally-for-wi...
Veterans and anti-war activists from several groups organized a rally for Wikileaks whistleblower Private Bradley Manning yesterday in Quantico, VA. Manning is being held in solitary confinement in a military brig in Quantico.
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pinkpanther
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NaranjaCabeza
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52 years for the truth.
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NaranjaCabeza
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oppressed1
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I fight wars, i think this bitch should be executed.
bring on nephags comments. for someone who probably lives on his dads dime.
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oppressed1
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Sexirobot
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sure leaking videotaped killings of civilians is commendable...but what about leaking the names of Afghanis who cooperate with coalition forces...operation details and other intelligence nuggets...
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Sexirobot
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artemis6
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Sexirobot:
What about the THOUSANDS of Assasinations carried out by american forces , of CIVILIANS , in order to gain political favors ?
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artemis6
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DogBoy
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I am not too sure they were all civilians killed in that report. They may have looked like civilians. In Vietnam you never really knew who the enemy was this is not too dissimilar. Have you seen the Taliban? They are veteran militia and farmers. They don't look like soldiers. They are like the ancient Greeks warriors fighting wars until it's time to plant your crops then they take a break to go back to farming.. Christ I bet in Helmund most of the Taliban fighters are tending their fields right in plain sight they just don't have AK's in their hands.
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DogBoy
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shippit5
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DogBoy:
unplug your computer, open your window, and either toss it out, or jump out with it
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pinkpanther
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“Blowing the whistle on war crimes is not a crime,” says former Marine Corporal Jeff Paterson of Courage to Resist, a group raising funds for Manning’s legal fees.
Anyone here familiar with Courage to Resist?
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pinkpanther
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pinkpanther:
The problem is that legally, it is a sticky area. You have to abide by the Geneva convention and follow orders by reporting it in the appropriate way.
Yet what happens when you are sure nothing is being done?
Doesn't your inaction in such an instance act as a violation of the Geneva convention?These questions have never really been answered adequately, at least in a legal sense. So I guess the only answer remains the same one from the past...
War has no morality.
Maybe we shouldn't expect humane behavior from destruction, but instead endeavor for another way to interact with our reality?
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versasrev
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versasrev:
Up'd this comment! Thanks for the thoughtful reply. It's true... there's no morality in war. There is only moral maneuvering, each side jockeying for the moral high ground, but no one actually getting off the ground.
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pinkpanther
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I think he should be Pardon, he did a public service that the government didn't provide to it's U.S citizens and now he gets in trouble for spreading the truth! How is that justice ? Knowledge plus truth equals true freedom. Free your minds people learn whats really going on with the government. Peace
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troyl2:
I'm pretty sure the president doesn't have the authority to pardon anyone from internal military proceedings. Now if it were a civilian charge...
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versasrev
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TheEmpireGuy
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"Truth is treason in the empire of lies" - Dr. Ron Paul
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TheEmpireGuy
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Omnomynous
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Pardon him, the worst part was leaking individual names, but then again he wasn't the media organizations who turned that part over to the public.
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Omnomynous
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artemis6
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Omnomynous:
name one leaked person .
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artemis6
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well this will not happen, complete waste of time. Think about it people you think the president is going to pardon a soldier who leaked secrets in order the damage reputation of the army/wars/government? Aside from the fact that this is absurd, he knows that if he pardon this guy it would be seen as condoning such actions and cause a flood of such incidences as soldier assume they are immune from prosecution.
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Elevator
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ThoughtNu
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The day before this story broke , over 8 billion dollars were unaccounted for and once this story hit the public; not one more statement about the missing money...I would think the individual responsible for the loss of accountability of over 8 billion tax dollars should be a capitol offense ..
There seems to be some misunderstanding as to Manning's part.
Pfc Manning DID NOT 'leak' all 90,000 papers the Swiss company, Wikileaks made public. In fact , Manning was simply one of the sources...
I can understand the sentiment of those that want Manning to 'pay' . Granted,a treasonous career choice to disclose ANY information but I would dare say not to the point to warrant a death sentence...not to confuse the different stories but I think that 8 billion unaccounted dollars in unknown hands holds more of a threat to American interests than reports of outdated operations
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The merchant/ banker subsidized idiot box's evening 'news' programs/ public service announcements,(television) only reports of 'deaths' whenever either 'war' is mentioned..."... today in Afghanistan... (this many) troops died.."
(some may be due to leaked information , it's a part of conflict, adults understand this )No explanation of events or details are given, year after year,
from ALL major 'English' media outlets.In a very real sense, it's a black eye to many main stream 'news' services; it took a concerned soldier to risk his very career, his very life : so others ... families touched by this conflict ; would know something , anything the media was ignoring so it can get your kids the latest info about 'Snooky'. A fact of society that was not lost to Manning.
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It is unfortunate that such bravery is only recognized by those families that were offered closure through Mannings actions. What does it say about the situation of America when a soldier feels an overwhelming need to simply inform the public?Manning is not without fault. A price will be paid,
but that will not cloud one opinionIMHO
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ThoughtNu
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ThoughtNu:
Well put .
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vicgal
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ArchDruid:
he will
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vicgal
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ArchDruid:
not as of yet - theres a fact not an opinion. :)
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estee_arie
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waittttttt my brain is failing me . a similar event occurred in history but i can not recall exactly. a guy was part of a helicopter unit and his team was shooting down civilians he tried protecting them but got charged for going against orders i believe ..
will edit this comment when i find the link or recall.. i read about it in American Pagent like 5 years ago in honors us history. if any one has a link or remembers more accurately inform me!
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Yam_Soup:
That is from the movie The Running Man with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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KSirys
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Obama is not going to do anything... It's sad, but he won't start a fight with the republicans. He'll just play the role of an understanding President and say, "we can't allow this to happen"...
I hope he gets it, but it won't happen in my lifetime...
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KSirys:
why are you dying - you look like your going to be around for a while. if the solar storm doesnt get us :) ahahahahaahahahahaha
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he is a hero. standing up for all those who have died innocently in this BS war. this is not a video game people - these are mothers-fathers-family just born to where they are.
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estee_arie:
word.
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estee_arie:
"no war wages on without innocent people dying..." "...war is a brutal thing."
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estee_arie
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seems like the army takes there hunting lessons from sarah palin. what a brave man - showing how sick this war truly is. i hope he makes it home alive. the government is not so nice to leaker's.
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DogBoy
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estee_arie:
If you think that there are wars that are not sick then you are deluding yourself. We cannot place any moral value on war. War is not a moral act period.
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DogBoy
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artemis6
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He should indeed be pardoned .
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FtheBULLSHT
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Nice one of the first headlines on MSN.com
Newsweek: Taliban Seeks Vengence
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/02/taliban-seeks-vengeance-in-wake-of-wikileaks....
Whether it was Private Manning or not leaking classified information which hurts the Coalition's mission and which gets innocent people killed should be punishable by death.
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FtheBULLSHT
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FtheBULLSHT:
Leaking the information uncovered the killings of innocent people. Not that the victim's of our war on the Middle East will ever get justice. Until someone actually dies from these leaked papers, it's ludicrous to call for Manning's death. The government shouldn't call anything that would get it alone in trouble confidential.
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FtheBULLSHT:
no war wages on without innocent people dying whether it be our brothers and sister or theres. war is a brutal thing.
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ahappymintleaf:
Until someone actually dies from the leaked papers? Don't you think the Taliban or Al Qaeda are scanning these documents looking for "snitches?"
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FtheBULLSHT:
there's a pretty real gap between looking and finding, and then killing. i've only heard of speculation about actual names being left in the documents, but if this has been confirmed then clearly some form of action should be taken. but a situation in which documents that cover up political embarrassments shouldn't be held in the same realm as the names of people who require actual protection for their work.
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ahappymintleaf:
I don't think the focus should be on what was in the reports as much as that this serviceman made an individual (personal) decision that may or may not have endangered other service folks, to commit an act of sedition in time war. Legal or illegal war it is still a wartime scenario.
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DogBoy
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FtheBULLSHT:
I think that's giving the government far too much credit and cover. If the deaths of thousands and evidence that this war was not only a colossal waste of time and money, but will actual make things much worse than they were before we invaded, we still shouldn't get to know? Did you point out that Manning made a 'personal' decision as to suggest his individuality has no place here?
It's obvious that the names of informants never should have gone out with the documents, and he should be punished for recklessly risking the lives of innocent people, but discovering that billions of dollars have gone missing in this war while the US funds both sides of the conflict is not something that should have been uncovered decades from now, if at all. Our government has started an "unofficial" war under false pretenses without providing any accountability, and we should do our duty and ... what? All the government has to do is constantly be in a state of war and never have to tell us a thing. It's starting to look that way.
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ahappymintleaf:
You make some legit points and if you don't agree with the war that's your right. But how is it an unofficial war under pretenses? Afghanistan harbored terrorists which attacked the US, multiple times. We couldn't exactly have asked the Afghan government to hand those folks over.
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FtheBULLSHT
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If he gets pardoned how many other whistleblowers come forward with possibly damaging facts looking for a pardon?
Possibly damaging facts for example being ones that name Afghans who have helped the Coalition.
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Bradley Manning hasn't been in Kuwait for two weeks. He is stateside.
I don't believe the kid could have gotten to all of those documents, someone with a Higher Security Clearance and civilian contractors I am surmising are to blame for the leaks. Manning put up a video, but 80,000 files? I doubt it. - 1 year ago
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likeamazing
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pardon him? while most of the country wants him dead? why would he do that? his popularity is low enough
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Well for the most part I can understand your pain but war for what this is not something that is a game they were shooting people as if it was an old video game called Duck Hunt and I think that this is not cool at all yes I support the military but why are we fighting and we have no one who is willing to fight against the United States I can say now that guy from North Korea he is suspect but he already stated yea I got nukes over here and Bush acted as if he never said a damn word I say no bullying small nations pick on someone your own size and go for a fight for a damn good reason I have not seen a just war yet all of them seem to be bully tactics.
Look at what we did to JFK, Abraham Lincoln, Martin L. King Sr our nation is a mess if they can not protect there own President then what are we doing troubling other countries we have no business harming people and covering up everything 9/11 as well another bullsh*t mission I have never in my life seen a building get hit from two sides and does not fall in one direction or another yet looks like the devil pulled that building into the dirt that is another sign that it was rigged with explosives so me personally I don't hate my country I am greatly disappointed in what we have become the powers that be are controlling this country not a President we have never had a President sense John F. Kennedy all we have is actors and there not elected they are selected trust me on that one.Obama is a puppet when David Rockerfeller farts Obama says excuse me.. World Bank controls the Nations listen to the names World Bank and who runs that more then over 50 people everyone must understand this is about money nothing more war creates lives lost and reasons to fight more wars.We don't need anymore fighting with anyone we need some damn peace in the nations and learn to invent some fuels that don't pollute the damn world so our children can have a safe life and no one cancers and aids I can go on forever. I really can say I am sorry for all the lives list in this war in Afghanistan but we are not thinking about what we are doing were taking lives as well if anyone seen all of those videos it's a damn mess is what it is I am ashamed of what we have become I hold my head down to those who will not stop this war it makes no sense to me.
Another thing we can talk about war on terror well what about how slaves were brought over here lets talk about that making people clean and cook for you aw fuck this shit I am not commenting anymore you keep fighting for your stolen land country that are charging you taxes and always trying to take your fucking home and raising prices so high that you can not afford to keep your mortgage America is a fucking MESS!
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Dmobile215:
If you learned how to use punctuation you might be a little more credible.
But then again, even with punctuation it would still be silly conspiracy theory garbage.
Do yourself a favor and go back to school. - 1 year ago
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unimatrix0:
You really have nothing to say. So shut-up.
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From a former Army Sergeant's point of view, SEND THAT KIDS A$$ TO JAIL! There are rules and regulations to keep soldiers and service members safe, not from the news or you stupid public, and everyone here can agree with me that people are stupid. But this is EXACTLY the same as the General talking bad about the Commander In Chief. You signed a contract and you broke that contract putting people's lives on the line. Go. To. Jail.
And I would expect none of you civilians to agree with me because none of yo have ever put your life on the line, and the Facebook petitions are not fighting for a cause.
You prior service members, or current members know what I'm talking about.
And I would give every dollar I have to see the founder of Wikileaks to join the service and go to war for just one month, and then see what he has to say. But until then, he'll keep drinking his starbucks in his air conditioned room in the US pointing fingers and blaming people for what they should of done, not what they did at the moment, on their specific intel, on that side of the world, in that country, in that city, and in that fight. - 1 year ago
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darkmerkaba:
the wikileaks creator is from australia and usually works in countries like sweden or iceland. He's been recently sought by US authorities for questioning.. soo if I were a betting man I'd say he's ok staying where he is right now.
As for whistle blowing, well the truth is the only way america can retain its honor on this planet. - 1 year ago
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Well this might be another stunt by the government to take control over internet because that video is surfacing all over the damn world. Its a shame but its true we should not be over there bottom line. I really doubt they will pardon him if they do this will become a sign to everyone that he is not all that bad after all but for the most part he was wrong but this is a true and valid reason to show something like this is a damn shame that our army is doing things like this very alarming what if someone did this to us. We don't never know but what the media tells us I don't see CNN showing that video haha I bet heads would be on the chopping block for something like this someone call Don Lemon and ask them to air this video I bet his a$$ would be in the welfare line by tomorrow.
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Well, I think we are long ways from pardoning this fellow with many calling for his head. What happens in these kind s of cases is somewhere along the way cooler heads prevail he does some of his time if convicted and then depending how long of a life he leads he will get a pardon.
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