"War Porn" or "Window to Reality"?

Thank you Regina. Although not deleting his comment lead him and some others to continue to make racist comments against Muslims. I don't see how anyone could be so ignorant!

I think that is a little harsh. Although I agree that their belief system is dangerous, it is only because they are brain washed and mostly denied access to education. I do not believe that as a people they are evil. They just have some bad beliefs and superstitions. Justification of subjugating women is one of the things that they cling to to feel like they have control.

I don't think killing all the men is the answer. I wish military intervention was, because that is easier than the real answer. The real answer is to show them how what they are doing to their own people is wrong. As you can see here just on current, it is hard to change the minds of people that are hard wired to believe a certain way.

While I agree with you too a point,I completely disagree that Islam isn't evil and the men in it bask in their treatment of women and children! while it may be harsh if the men were no longer a factor most of the women,not all but most,would get rid of the Burka and join the human race,and I've no doubt of that Islam isn't just dangerous either it seeks to take over the entire planet,and in the EU that is well underway! While in a lot of ways we aren't as free as we once were our culture,and way of life is worth saving,rather then live in a 14th century Islamic dictatorship! As it is the MEN who control it,and abuse women and children,the solution while harsh is the only way to deal with the problem! {Danelle take note you are a women after all so ask yourself this question: do you want to have your every move controlled and wear a Burka? Because to do nothing only leaves you with that choice!

Agreed and Domestic violence is something I hate with great passion but not to the degree that Muslim Women are abused! Islam is evil! it is from Satan and must be opposed and fought by all freedom loving people everywhere instead of the liberal appeasement and surrender western leaders are engaged in! our ancestors in Europe saw that danger hence the crusades and Spain kicking them out after years of war! If we are to survive we must treat it like a holy war with no mercy or we will fall to the Muslim Horde! West against east,good against evil,however you want to look at it! WE HAVE NO CHOICE!

Men (or women) that revel in the abuse of anyone are psychopaths. A religion that condones any kind of human abuse is dangerous. I think all religion is dangerous to human progress because it suspends disbelief to the point that it stagnates ideas.

Unfortunately, people have to come around in their own time. Violence begets violence and I do not think that is the way to enlighten people.

Galwaydouche and EdKillJoy-
You both must point out the log in your own eye before the speck in someone elses. I'm not very religious (cuz this americanized jesus loving garbage is all bull$hit), but I'm pretty sure thats mentioned somewhere in the bible. If you look at the facts tho, Christianity has stood to take over the world far more than Islam. Why can I find Christian natives in the jungles of Costa Rica, but no Muslims? hmm...And the country to mainly thank for spreading this message is also coincidentally the main occupying forces in others' countries. But thats not evil or dangerous right? Peace through war right? To spread freedom and democracy via bullets, bombs, and illegal chemical warfare (white phosphorous)? Whose evil then? Those being bombed and exterminated or those dropping em? Get your shit straight, reevaluate your life and beliefs, cuz if what you wrote is what you truly believe, then you are a great example of the 'dumb-ed' down sheeple of amerikkka. Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah--may the peace and mercy of allah be with you..

"How could this be, the land of the free, home of the brave.. indigenous holocaust and the home of the slaves."-immortal technique

really? well yours appears to attempt to justify America's enemies actions and that I'll not condone under any circumstances! Better them then us,and lets face it everyone hates us because of our failed foreign policy so we have a lot of enemies and you are a traitor! get the hell out why don't you? Go live in some third world country and when they take you hostage or try and kill you buddy, you'll be begging for the US to come and rescue you and yours!

First of all, the abuse of women occurs every day here in the US, and all around the world, particularly where there is poverty and ignorance and desperation. And over in Afghanistan, we are definitely fueling the extremists by being flagrant murderers ourselves, and thus fueling the abuse of women. Desperation fuels fundamentalism.

Second, the vast majority of Muslims are not extremists. They are not represented by the extremist Taliban or the extremist Karzai government. Have you ever talked to a moderate Muslim, or are you talking out of your propoganda-farting ass?

Please try to educate yourself before you post again. You're obnoxiously stupid.

REALLY? Well I am being vilified by someone who is clearly deluded and while you agree that the abuse of Islamic women is real but you refuse to see the bigger picture and as my British friends would say you are most impolite! NOW COULD WE PLEASE RETURN TO THE TOPIC AT HAND AND END THIS POINTLESS DISCUSSION?

Gotta love a hypocrite!
So you love freedom, but won't give other's the freedom to practise their own culture?
You don't like evil, but you see nothing evil in subjugating millions of people just because they have different beliefs to you?
You think that Muslims treat women as less than human, and yet that's exactly how you see Muslims?

Live and let live. You are exactly the same as what you hate most, that's the irony. The most intolerant Muslim men think exactly the same sorts of things about others that you do.

Exactly. But the morons need a scape goatso they can make believe that only their evil pet bogeymen do it.

"freedom loving". good synonym for scary fascist.

Interesting, so what position do you take on this issue. the Taliban's or ours? I'm not being judgmental just curious, are you ok with facial mutilations etc of women or do you oppose it?

I dont have a side.

Im not muslim so I have no spiritual connection to those people, their beliefs, or their holy lands. Obviously I cannot support mutilations to anyone, the practice is so uncivilized.

I also have no interest in forcing ideals on people that adamantly reject our ideals. We arent so innocent when it comes to uncivilized practices either what with us trying to idealize the torture of another person.

Torture is torture whether it leaves a mark or not with that said I believe both sides are foolish and therefore I cannot stand behind either one.

If I were to have it any way we would lay down the guns and start TALKING/LISTENING to each other which is something we dont do enough.

Oh my god. I just spent the last week hanging out with a Chilean friend of mine who lived during this era. I was really interested in knowing what life before and after pinochet was like and he cynically said to me "pinochet came to power because Chile is not ready for a socialist president, Allende was too radical for the Cilean structure and pissed off the ruling classes in the country to the point the US got involved." Further he added the christian democrats have been using propaganda to slander any real reform and with the help of publications like time have made progress slow. Btw his left leaning family was able to get out of mass murder because his father was working at the UN. I guess its a sad fate for Argentina's beach..
I spent a good portion of my school studies watching old propaganda videos, and the professor being the dedicated historian had many from the US' many south american adventures. Watching those (plus several others about asia and the middle east) raised a lot of questions. While I hate to speculate reasons I can't think of any non european nation that has been allowed to elect a populist leftist president without severe US intervention. I joked to my teacher is being a socialist and being brown skinned a curse?

"Sorry to go on about this subject"

thank you for going on about this subject.

You seem to have knowledge that the journalist do not, please post your sources and photographic evidence of U,S, troops on orders from their respective Commanding Officers ordering them to mutilate women...

THIS.

source for that japanese thing? Cant find anything via google...

how about you stop talking out your ass?? There's no source out there for Japanese man killing their wifes and the government not doing anything about it...

How about it? any source? or is the room to dark to look it up?

Do you mean India?

I totally agree. this article is to raise awareness to ignorant Americans who are blinded by their own comfort and do not realize that this maltreatment of women is happening in the world, this would have happened to this poor girl whether or not there was a war going on.

Guess that might help explain why some Asian men are importing their brides, although one reason independent Asian women give for not marrying is a rejection of the traditional role of wife, not sure Japan allows the husband to legally kill his wife though:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/relationships/man-woman/Asian-men-...

maybe it's something like the missionary position laws in Virginia...once there, no longer enforced...anyway, I love this site, pick your poison:

Big Government - Small Brains - Dumb Laws

http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/virginia

AMEN!

You as an INDIVIDUAL have a right to do as you please. I mean if you feel like strapping on a 45 and going to kick some Taliban @$$ I say have at it. Hell I might even be inclined to send you some money for Ammo. You do not have a right to drag the whole of the US in the mess however.

I mean if we went to war with ever country that mistreated it's people we would be fighting on just about every continent on this planet.

actually I have taken up arms against my nations enemies ..not in the middle east and not a .45 but an M-16 in VietNam 1968-69...and I now am aware of your level of concern for others....and like the man said I don't agree with your opinion but I will fight to the death for your right to express it...

Truth be told you have no idea of my level of concern for others on a personal level. I suspect I contribute more a year to charity than most on here spend going to the movies, out to eat or other frivolousness. My lack of desire to go to war with ever nut in a funny hat who is mean to his people has NOTHING to do with my level of concern for other.

When you get a chance you really need to read a speech given by Davy Crockett called Not Yours To Give. Eritrea, North Korea, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, Libya, Sudan, Burma, Equatorial Guinea, and Somalia, China, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Belarus, Chad, Laos, Syria, & Guinea.

Amnesty International says these are the 17 worst Human rights Abusers in the World right now. Which one do "YOU" think we should go to war with next? I think we could probably kick Equatorial Guineas @ss pretty quickly with minimal American casualties.

Thank you for your Service in Viet Nam! "I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity." Dwight D. Eisenhower

I'm curious, at what point, or perhaps better stated, how egregious must the actiions against a group of people become before you would feel it justified to act collectively as a nation to intervene?

There is no point I can think of that I would be willing to send my Daughter to die in a foreign land fighting for a group of people not willing to fight and die for THEMSELVES! Unlike the Neo-Con Artists in power now including Obambi I would not be willing to send your Son or Daughter to do something I would not send mine to do.

No where in the Constitution does it state the roll of the American Military to be Peace Keeping, Peace Making, or Policing. The roll of the US Military is to KILL people and break shit in the defense of the United States no more or less. My question still stands which one of the 17 human rights abuser countries do you want to attack next?

On more than one occasion I have stuck my noise where it did not belong to defend a person being abused or taken advantaged of. That is a LOT different than committing the US military to war.

2 true 2 true

on this we'll just have to agree to disagree..I would interfere with the holocaust I understand you would not..thats where we are different.

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Do you think woman getting tortured is happening more now or 10 years ago before the beginning of Operation Enduring Freedom?

I don't know and neither does anyone else. Women are severely oppressed in Afghanistan, so an accurate picture is not so easy to assess. If anything, our presence is probably adding fuel to the fire of the Taliban human rights violations.

Very insightful comments everyone!

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always remember that the sexually repressed sociopaths are always the most violent sociopaths
Jeffery Dahmer anyone...?

Our presence probably isn't adding fuel to the fire of "Taliban human rights violations." I think the Taliban are more worried about making/planting IEDs and simply killing Coalition troops. Probably thinking that the more troops that are killed the more pressure countries will put on their leaders to pull out and thus getting back to their rule like in the 90's.

The presence of Coalition forces is most likely lowering the amount of human rights violations since there's finally someone to stand up to the Taliban.

If you don't like or support OEF that's your choice but don't make it seem as if our being there is having no positive affect on the country.

Neither one of us is in a position to say whether or not US presence is having a negative or positive effect on Afghanistan.

My position is that we are meddling in an area that we previously betrayed. We do not have a strategy to change the current government (not should we because it is not our land). We are killing innocent civilians that would have otherwise went on about their lives, even it they were being oppressed by the taliban. We are spending money on another country when our own country is literally falling apart and our own citizens are being thrown under the bus.

I have no problem with humanitarian aid and educational aid to this area, but our military should not be there. It fuels hatred for America instead of respect. Rather than wasting the money and 20 years from now saying "it was a mistake", let's put future hindsight to work and get out now to cut the losses. This is not a war that can be won. The window of opportunity for that has long since past.

The sad reality is there is very little "real" news reporting left in America. I mean MOST people would rather watch big boobed buxom blonds catfight on Fox or red faced liberals scream about what a dick W was/is on MSNBC. I mean have you seen some of the CRAP people get Pulitzer Prizes for these days?

I'm going to have to object my friend... atrocities to women happen all around the world, not just in Islamic countries ... including North America and South America... when you have uneducated, low life, small minded, bigoted men and women, these things tend to happen.

It's sad that even with the technology we have today, we can't teach the uneducated of how bad these things are. Cowards (both male and female) think that it's ok to attack another physically to prove a point or to look good... it's sad.....

voted up!

I can agree with you ksirys, I guess my point was more that this isn't something unique to the Taliban, but rather to a view of women, but it's not just a view of women, look at what they do to gay people, and yes, you are so right, horrible things happen to men, women and children, all around the globe, but I am calling foul on Time magazine because this isn't something that is only going on in Afghanistan, or only associated with the Taliban, and I have to question the motivations of Time magazine.

excellent comment!! voted up!

WOW. These women need to carry guns to protect themselves. The have no control over these crazies.

how many people do you seen without a nose?

about 7 or so. I'm not trying to insult anyone, it's just a personal observation.

Michael Jackson

I think what you meant was that for some reason, even though she doesn't have a nose, her face is still beautiful. Because that's what I think. Her face isn't wretched, even though it's lacking that central piece. But when you wrote what you wrote, it kind of looked like you wewre not mentally repulsed by what happened to her, as opposed to not being physically repulsed by a person with no nose. Maybe revise that.. Unless you meant that you were not upset at what happend. In that case, voted down.

I don't really think it's one way or another. Simply put when I see this image, I just see her. I accept that see was different before, yet for me this is the individual I am looking on. So while I'm looking on her and her past happened, I don't feel that she is disfigured because this is a whole person. If I were to look at her as disfigured, (or put another way incomplete) then I would be treating her less than a whole person. Essentially while she has been scared she is complete.

It just seems that to think of it any other way, is to treat her less than I would another human being. I don't really know if that makes sense to you are not. I'm not sure I can express it more adequately at the moment. I may have to think about it a lot more before I can answer it any better.

I think I may just need the story behind what happened to connect with it. I haven't been given the information for my mind to understand the nature of the event and so it can't create an emotional response.

This reminds me of the story of a Pakistani girl named Mukhtaran Bibi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhtaran_Bibi
Anyway there was a documentary about her, and I know that her experience still pisses me off, so I feel pretty certain that any lack of an emotional response of horror from what caused this girls situation is the fact that I don't know the situation as of yet.

I've had tons of problems with the Iraq war, but none with the war in Afghanistan (this is not to say that I haven't disagreed with some of the tactics employed in Afghan).

Well said!

This reminds me why watching "Charlie Wilson's War" made me vomit.

You disgust me.

Judging by your avatar, I'd say yes.

Are you black?!?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Yeah, I am not sure if anyone has asked you directly or just made fun, but I am sincerely curious. What is up with that avatar?

You're one of the people who think they're tough on this website.

yeah, because i have my middle finger out to the whole world... that's rich..

I noticed that lots of people have, but I really am curious. It is disturbing.

Even more so than mine. :D

lol... no, your avatar is not disturbing! maybe mind molesting, but not disturbing... =D

My girl is creepy, but that is why I like her. ayipis is just the kind of image that makes you want to shower.

LOL! Come on, it looks like it would be an awesome video. Pity about the bad review. :D