Community | August 08, 2010 | 105 comments

The New Push for a Global Currency

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Dagum
You surely didn’t think that the governing elites would let this economic crisis pass without pushing some cockamamie scheme for control. Well, here is the cloud no bigger than a man’s hand, a revival of a 60-year-old idea of a global paper currency to fix what ails us.

The IMF study that calls for this is by Reza Moghadam of the Strategy, Policy, and Review Department, “in collaboration with the Finance, Legal, Monetary and Capital Markets, Research and Statistics Departments, and consultation with the Area Departments.” In other words, this paper shouldn’t be ignored.

It’s a long-term plan, but the plan has the unmistakable stamp of Keynes: “A global currency, bancor, issued by a global central bank would be designed as a stable store of value that is not tied exclusively to the conditions of any particular economy…. The global central bank could serve as a lender of last resort, providing needed systemic liquidity in the event of adverse shocks and more automatically than at present.”

The term bancor comes from Keynes directly. He proposed this idea following World War II, but it was rejected mostly for nationalistic reasons. Instead we got a monetary system based on the dollar, which was in turn tied to gold. In other words, we got a phony gold standard that was destined to collapse as gold reserve imbalances became unsustainable, as they did by the late 1960s. What replaced it is our global paper money system of floating exchange rates.

But the elites never give in, never give up. The proposal for a global currency and global central bank is again making the rounds. What problem is being addressed? What is so desperately wrong with the world that the IMF is floating the idea of a world currency? In a word, the problem is hoarding. The IMF is really annoyed that “in recent years, international reserve accumulation has accelerated rapidly, reaching 13 percent of global GDP in 2009 — a threefold increase over ten years.”

You see, monetary policy isn’t supposed to work this way. In their ideal world, the central bank releases reserves and these reserves are lent out, leading to a boom in consumption and investment and thereby global happiness forever (never mind the hyperinflation that goes along with it). But there is a problem. The current system is nationally based and so the economic conditions of one country turn out to have an influence on the borrowing and lending markets. Without borrowers and lenders, the money gets stuck in the system....

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105 comments // The New Push for a Global Currency

  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • @ Dagum. " The world central bank would serve as a lender of last
      resort " yada yada yada. Doesn't that smack of what the international
      cartel of Banksters claimed their Trojan Horse aka " the Fed " would
      serve the function as in 1913 ? Because, unless my observation proves
      to be incorrect, we've all seen the bealzibub involved with that. Within
      one generation of Americans the Fed went from lender of last resort
      with its private currency, to replacing U.S. Gold then Silver Certificates.
      So that after the Fed ate the Treasury, and the servant became the
      master and vice versa, we're all, in effect, standing on our heads
      wondering WTF happened to turn the world as we know it up side down.
      Because we now are forced to work to earn Federal Reserve Notes,
      not U.S. Notes, where they could be redeemed for Gold & Silver coins.
      Per George Orwell's 1984 of oxymoronic contradictions in terms, once
      the lawful Government was subverted by Corporate Fascism, the
      "lender of last resort" magicly turned out to be the printer of first resort.
      Or rather, the accepted counterfeiter.

    • 1 year ago
  • 11dim
  • Rodashar
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      Rodashar  
    • As Americans you cannot dismiss the need for a global exchange of sorts. Ever wonder what happened to your manufacturing base? The answer is simple. After the Bretton Woods Conference the US dollar became the standard currency used by the world. Everyone wants as many US dollars as they can get their hands on. Now there are two real ways to get those dollars 1.) A country can borrow the money or 2.) A country can sell the US goods in exchange for the money.

      You end up with a situation where no other country wants to buy goods from the US unless they are goods they cannot manufacture or acquire on their own. In it's infancy the US protected it's manufacturing base by charging tariffs and taxes on imports from other countries. This kept the cost of goods manufactured in other countries from competing against US goods and the people of the US typically bought American. With the introduction of Free trade and the lowering of tariffs on other countries the US manufacturing base quickly found it could not compete with the actual cost of goods from other countries. Americans started buying more goods from these other countries and since no one else was buying American goods the manufacturing base quickly went south of the border.

      If you removed the use of the US dollar as the global currency then you would level the playing field and allow America to compete in the world market. A global currency exchange would force each nation to use it's own currency in trade and thus US manufacturing would have buyers for goods based on the quality of the product vs the price of the product. You would also have to remove or renegotiate free trade so that countries with a lower standard of living and real wages for employees would have to pay a tariff to of set the cheapness of labor.

    • 1 year ago
  • WeBelieve
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • WeBelieve:

      I don't doubt that. We're nonetheless even worse off though for having
      allowed an international cartel of Banksters to impose a Usery Monopoly
      on the U.S. economy and us for 96 years. That bogus money system has
      made it as easy for an elite minority to dominate us to our detriment, as
      it has for Buck Bundy(their dog) to get a credit card. Hey, why not grant
      EZ credit to canines. Though they print funny money out of thin air as
      legitimized counterfeiters, the extreme gravity of their Usery Monopoly
      enslavement is a horror story for too many Americans. I don't relish the
      idea that some Bankster thinks of me, or others, as fish to be caught up
      in their network. Credit is necessary for big ticket items like the purchase
      of real property to use as your house & home. But to replace the Gold &
      Silver standards with debt standard has only allowed the extreme abuse
      of credit to put our money itself behind the 8 ball. I once spent Swiss 100
      Franc notes in Geneva and counted Silver half Franks in my change like
      the Washington quarters of the early 1960s. I would rather spend Swiss
      Franc currency than Federal Reserve Monopoly parlor game funny money
      anyday of my life. I can't speak for 300 Million Americans because I can't
      walk a mile in their shoes. But if they saw Gold coins from the USA viewable
      through plate glass windows in their neighborhood commercial banks or
      credit unions as I have...Trust me, they wouldn't care who or what printed it.
      Why ? Gold is as incredibly stable as it is virtualy indestructable. The idea
      that you could save Gold for your retirement, and know that it would not
      be devalued in the next 140 years any more than it was here from 1792
      through 1932 is very appealing. Gold has been real money for 5,000 years.
      Any country's currency that's Gold backed is the best you can do with paper.
      We spend " money " now that's color coded for Go. But backed with red ink
      which shouts STOP. Go figure.

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
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      UtopianSky  
    • I just don't get the paranoia about "one world government".

      Why the heck would ONE world government be a bad thing, and hundreds of regional, governments be a GOOD thing?

      Shouldn't the important thing be the NATURE of the government more than the NUMBER of governments?

      That being said, one world government sounds good to me- when was the last time two states declared war against each other? With one government over them, they HAVE to settle disputes diplomatically.

      And we already have a global currency- it's digital. Who cares about sheets of paper or circles of metal? Anyone can get paid by anyone in any nation, and can buy anything from any nation.

      Making one world currency will just make it easier to show prices without conversions. Just always have prices written in EUs.

      And what is this fear-mongering word "the elites"?

      There will always be some people in positions of authority, there will always be some people with money, there will always be some people with power.

      The important thing is what they DO with their power, and our ability to influence their decisions and actions.

      Don't let your fears and paranoia prevent you from being able to think about issues in a neutral, rational objective way- that would make you no better than a FOX News pundit.

    • 1 year ago
  • existentialist
  • alexandrek
  • UtopianSky
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      UtopianSky  
    • alexandrek:

      That's called a slippery slope.

      EVERY government is a multi-layered system.

      We have the US Federal government, the states, the counties, the cities, the towns, the subdivisions, and that little old lady in the golf cart who scrawls notes if you didn't mow your lawn.

      It is IMPOSSIBLE to have a government who's domain is any more than a few square miles or more than a few hundred people that does NOT have layers.

    • 1 year ago
  • DefKid
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      DefKid  
    • UtopianSky:

      You would have to tell me how the United States and China reach agreements on Civil rights. You would have to explain to me why we should make any compromise to our Constitution or Bill of Rights. It may seem hard to fathom in the political climate of the last ten to fifty years, but we have the best framework for a government for the people. Sure it's being tampered with and bastardized as we speak, but ours is the best way to govern once you deal with the special interest and corporate greed.

      As for what the "elites do with their money and power, research one term....EUGENICS. And if your down with that have a nice life, if you find it as appalling as the rest of us sane folk then resist.

    • 1 year ago
  • alexandrek
  • UtopianSky
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      UtopianSky  
    • DefKid:

      Well, I certainly do not have to answer questions that are not based on anything I wrote.

      I never said one world government will happen tomorrow. 50 years ago no one would have thought China would be practically capitalist and our largest trading partner.

      100 years ago, we had slavery in the US. Who knows how China will change with time.

      I also never said anything at all about sacrificing human rights- it is bizarre that you would even assume that a one world government must have LESS human rights than a world with hundreds of governments.

      As for your paranoid rant that any human being in power will always practice eugenics programs- well, there is no rational argument that will change an irrational position.

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
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      UtopianSky  
    • alexandrek:

      Your statement is basically anti-goverment in general.

      So why would one world government be worse than a world with a hundred governments?

      There you go- fewer governments. Anti-goverment people should like that.

    • 1 year ago
  • Dagum
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      Dagum  
    • UtopianSky:

      because centralization never works. One-size fits all policy doesn't work even at the state level - people are too diverse. Every community is different and has different problems and need. What is needed is the reverse; empowerment of local goverments.

    • 1 year ago
  • Gravity_Man
  • Dagum
  • Gravity_Man
  • alexandrek
  • UtopianSky
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      UtopianSky  
    • Dagum:

      Centralization always works.
      That's why we have nations now, instead of small feuding city-states like in the past.

      I never said anything about a one-size fits all policy- All governments are stratified into different jurisdictions at different levels. Policies that need to be local would be local, policies that need to be global would be global, and others would be at whatever level is appropriate.

      You have to admit that some issues, like human trafficking, climate control, and human rights can only be handled on a global level; thus now they are not being handled at all.

      And by having a one-world government, border disputes become non-existant.

      New York and New Jersey have debated over who owns Liberty Island for a long time now, but have never gone to war about it, because they are two states in the name nation. Instead, they settled their differences like civilized folk, by suing each other.

      Imagine if Israel and Palestine had to settle their differences in a courtroom, and because of a global government must abide by the judgement.

    • 1 year ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • alexandrek:

      => respecting and celebrating local cultures and traditions is the lever so often used to whip people into a war frenzy, a blow-everyone-away frenzy. Doesn't that result in an end to cultures and traditions?

      Fear of losing cultures & traditions ends in everybody firing rifles whenever some two bit elite-brain dictator tells you your culture or your traditions are in danger from an "enemy" when the REAL ENEMY is the pipsqueak shouting for war.

      But he knew your fear. You loved partitions, you loved separation. That thing staring you in the face is called a Howitzer.

    • 1 year ago
  • Naumadd
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      Naumadd  
    • DefKid:

      The United States and China are both active members in the U.N. Human Rights Council. Yes, these two countries have differences on the subject of human rights, but one can hardly claim they don't come to ANY agreements on these issues whatsoever.

      True, the U.S. Constitution and our form of government is wonderful IF it gives primacy to the rights and liberties of the individual, i.e., the concept of "self-ownership" over "the many". Democracy is fine if the majority view is a sane one. If it is instead an insane view, democracy can be monstrous ... as so many in the minority view have learned throughout U.S. history and who know in today's climate.

      If a world government gives primacy to individual sovereignty, it is a good world government. If it does not, it is no better than any other nationalistic state.

    • 1 year ago
  • Naumadd
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      Naumadd  
    • UtopianSky:

      You make a good point I forgot to address. Although I am for a world government because there are certain basic values that are good for human beings regardless of where they are located, ideally I am an anarchist, i.e., one who supports the idea of no government at all. Obviously no government is desirable if human beings are respectful and fair with one another. If they are, what would be the point of a government designed essentially to compel them to be respectful and fair?

      In any event, the human species isn't mature enough for genuine anarchy, which is why human beings need government - to compel them to treat one another with respect and fairness when they won't voluntarily.

    • 1 year ago
  • Naumadd
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      Naumadd  
    • Dagum:

      At least one value is essential to all who love their life and love the living of it - respect from others for their liberty to exercise their right to live their own lives.

      National governments are a mixed bag in that respect. If a world government could enforce that one principle, it would be of great benefit to all human beings. If, instead, it explicitly or implicitly allows the rights and liberties of individuals to be violated, it is hardly different than most other national governments.

    • 1 year ago
  • DefKid
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      DefKid  
    • Naumadd:

      Realizing how our government functions currently, (Of the corporation, by the corporation, for the corporation), and our inability to evoke real change and reform, I couldn't possibly get behind the idea of expanding this bureaucracy on a global scale. It just doesn't make sense on it's face. Where are the idealistic reformers in the world who will magically coral the corporations and their lobbying powers. Even if you had some sort of legislated reform in place to curb big businesses influence on policy, do you think they would throw up there hands and say, "Oh well, it's against the law to buy politicians, i guess the jig is up." No chance. There is to much at stake for them. What I feel you get with a global gov't is the absolute loss of transparency. Why if our economy was on the brink of collapse did we bailout the banks who profited from the misguided business practices that put us in the hole to begin with? Isn't the point of capitalism that those who do good business succeed, and those who operate poorly fail? But rather than do something that would directly help the people of the nation, they gave the money to the corporations. Bush and Obama both. Screw the individual. Let's keep things as local as possible. Our forefathers understood that was the best way to govern.

      "The time has come for everyone to clean up their own back yard, before they go knocking on your neighbors door." Erik Schrody

    • 1 year ago
  • Naumadd
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      Naumadd  
    • DefKid:

      I'm fond of the phrase, "Think globally, act locally."

      I can agree with your last sentence at least. To assume one loses transparency with world government is an unwarranted assumption. As I've indicated, if a world government guarantees above all else the sovereignty of the individual, such a government can be of benefit, especially to those who do not currently have that degree of personal liberty. In any case, those with lots of personal liberty now wouldn't be harmed by such a government.

      Still, it's possible a world government wouldn't genuinely guarantee individual rights and liberties any more than national governments do. Yes, it's possible world government wouldn't be any better, but that's not a certain thing. It's just as possible - if not entirely likely - a world government would be an improvement - even for those in what's currently known as the United State of America.

      If world government guaranteed the right and liberty of every individual to marry whomever and as many as one wishes, that would be at least one improvement over what is currently considered liberty in the U.S. I'm certain there are other American shortfalls needing improvement in that regard. Personally, it'd be nice to be rid of the socialist state and heavy taxation. The dismantling of the world's armies alone would be of tremendous value. The expense of constructing, maintaining and policing borders is a heavy one. The costs of immigrations policies and customs, tariffs, etc. must be a huge drain on world economies. Imagine all of that disappearing thus making business more profitable.

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
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      UtopianSky  
    • alexandrek:

      I assume you are american, right?

      Right now, we have local cultures. Californians are not like New Yorkers.
      Miami is not like New Orleans.
      Texas might as well be a different planet from Massachusetts.

      Culture has it's good aspects, and it's bad aspects.

      Good aspects, like music, clothing, art, architecture, etc would not be hindered in the least by a world government.

      Bad aspects, like female circumcision, arranged marriages, stoning, killing gays, etc would finally be ended by having a government that can look at those things objectively, and determine that they are violations of human rights.

      A regional government, composed of people born and raised in that culture, thus born and raised to find such things acceptable, cannot do that.

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
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      UtopianSky  
    • DefKid:

      What you are talking about is the KIND of government- Corporatism.

      No one said anything about the United States taking over the planet for Coca-Cola, Walmart and McDonalds.

      As it stands now, the huge multi-national corporations cannot be controlled by separate individual nations because they can always shift each aspect of their company to a nation friendly to that aspect.

      Manufacturing goes to third-world nations with no child labor laws.
      Accounting goes to tax havens.
      Management goes somewhere with legalized prostitution.
      The product designers go somewhere with legalized drugs. :)

      With a one-world government, they would have no where to run.

      Your whole argument is that government is bad.

      So why would it be better to have hundreds of them?

    • 1 year ago
  • Dagum
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      Dagum  
    • UtopianSky:

      I am not making the argument for complete decentralization. Just the idea that power flows from the individual and stems upward to the community, the state, and then the federal government . Therefore, whenever possible power should be given to the local community.

      Having a one-world government. Well who will control the one world government? Inevitably some country is going to be the "first among equals."

      Issues will be ascertained and articulated by the most powerful members, and these issues will be irrelevant to weaker members. E.g. A political debate about whether to lay international fiber optic lines for high-speed internet, or improve satellites capabilities , when the third-world countries have large amounts of starving populace who don't have electricity.

      Inevitable policy will be skewed toward the most powerful member, the weakest will get shafted. Africa will get raped.

      Then we get to the administration of a global policy.

      The vast geographic scope and diverseness of the U.S. make it not only undesirable, but very difficult to effectively administer a national policy, cooked up with vision of national uniformity. Administering policy through a world-wide bureaucracy would be so slow, inefficient, and such a colossal waste of resources as to make any well-intentioned policy unfeasible.

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
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      UtopianSky  
    • Dagum:

      You are making lots of assumptions, and I see no basis for them.

      You say: "Inevitably some country is going to be the "first among equals.""

      I live in the United States.
      Are you saying one of the states is the first among equals?
      Which one?

      Again, the problems you talk about have NOTHING to do with a one world government, and only with the KIND of government.

      There can be a small town with only a few thousand people in it, with a Mayor and his wealthy friends who don't give a damn about the homeless people going through the dumpsters behind wall-mart.

      You make an assumption that global government means evil government, when local community governments are more than capable of doing lots and lots of evil.

    • 1 year ago
  • alexandrek
  • UtopianSky
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      UtopianSky  
    • alexandrek:

      Um, that post was about cultural diversity still existing under one government.

      How did you jump to America being Atheist?

      I never said America is Atheist, not in that post or any other.

      America is secular, and I have said that in other unrelated conversations.

      There is a huge difference between those two words- a Secular government takes no position at all on religion, and allows it's people complete freedom of religion.

      "In God We Trust" was added in the 1950's by Fundamentalist Christians trying to turn this country into a theocracy.

      No, religion is NOT the basis for laws in the United States- it's the same basis as the laws of modern France; Secular Humanism. Natural Rights that arise from Natural Law, concepts from the philosophers of the Enlightenment.

      Since you are French, read Voltaire and Rousseau.

      The "Moral Values" would be as I said- Human Rights.

      As I said in the other post, some traditions that violate human rights would become illegal- like female circumcision. And yes, all citizens, including gays, would be equal.

      You are assuming one world government would be forced on the globe in a Machiavellian scheme. Instead, it would be like the EU, an exclusive club that demands it's members live up to standards.

      Being that you are in Europe, you should know that the EU sets standards for membership, and Human Rights are one of those standards. If a nation applies to join the Union, Like Turkey, they can be rejected if they do not conform to the Human Rights requirements.

    • 1 year ago
  • Dagum
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      Dagum  
    • UtopianSky:

      "Are you saying one of the states is the first among equals?
      Which one?"

      That should be obvious. California, They have the most representatives in the U.S. house (53 seats.).

      Yes, you are correct that some problems I point out are endemic of all power structures, e.g. it is evitable someone has to lead, will identify their pressing issues, will formulate policy favorably slanted toward them.

      The point I am trying to make that you are missing is that while these problem are endemic of any organization, it’s the SCALE that becomes an issue. If a town next to me doesn't take of their poor, will boo on them, but at least I can lobby my local board of planners to make sure my poor are taken care of.

      If a Global government wants to tax the world, take money from me and my community to consolidate wealth for a space mission to the sun, while the poor in Africa are starving. there is very little a citizen like myself can do to convince the global structure to spend the money to help the poor starving children in Africa. And the task of convincing some sort of contingent of global citizens to lobby global government to fix this course of action is considerable harder compared to convincing a handful of citizens in my town.

      Take into account all other problems endemic of bureaucracy I mentioned in my above reply and magnified on a Global scale; this would bring injustice and suffering to a hellish level.

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
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      UtopianSky  
    • Dagum:

      You gave an example about the town next to you doing something, and you can still lobby your town's government.

      And you will notice having a state government and a national government does not stop that, so neither would a global government.

      You say a global government could waste money on something extravagant while people in africa starve.

      NOW, wealthy governments in individual nations waste money on extravagance while people in Africa starve.

      With a global government, there can BE support for the starving in Africa by having global standards of welfare and education.

      With separate governments there can be no such standards- you have African nations with small corrupt governments that steal most of what is sent by charities to their nations.

      Right NOW injustice and suffering are at a hellish level and there is absolutely NO recourse for change. With a global government, there would be.

      Plus, as I said in another post, a global government would not be instantaneous. Like the EU, it would have standards, and nations would apply for membership.

      Nations with third-world status would actively try to clean up their acts, end their human rights violations, show that they are trying to help their people, in order to become members and enjoy trading privileges.

    • 1 year ago
  • WeBelieve
  • WeBelieve
  • mitekillem
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      mitekillem  
    • Not going to happen. For one very good reason. You can't make money on 1 world currency. People care more about making money than they do control.
      If I change from the 1000 US Dollars to the Japanese Yen and next week the Dollar falls, then I've just made some money.
      Also, there are a lot of accounting magic tricks that can be done when converting money from one type to another.

      Who ever wrote this was an idiot.

      Also, can you imagine all of the war that would come about because of something like this.

      ...idiot.

    • 1 year ago
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • mitekillem:

      Money will always be made by selling more weightloss products that can't work, don't work, and never will work. And when something does work it gets declared illegal, creating yet another Black Market to keep black market types employed outside the system.

      Not to mention stuffing food with garbage the human body doesn't need but keeps us sick, so we know the medical professionals and hospitals will always keep making Big Bucks... plus geneticists being guaranteed a lucrative job trying to reverse the damage in some great futuristic way (big $$$).

      Then you have Detroit building CARS WITH TWO ENGINES to keep maintained which means two engines breaking down, car mechanics needing more training and therefore as a result getting PAID BIG BUCKS. In a car wreck where today's car would only suffer some damage we'll be driving cars that one wreck will total its two engine system.

      Okay, queue the insurance people => buy a new car.

      I don't see many people suffering just the Consumer taking a beating. The Future is Great as long as ya make sure every time you have a choice between simple and complex you choose the complex.

    • 1 year ago
  • DefKid
  • Naumadd
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      Naumadd  
    • mitekillem:

      That's just silly. Of course one can make money whether the currency is world currency or local currency. "Making money" is simply exchanging something of value for something else of value while making a profit over the cost of producing one's product. The basic economic meat and potatoes doesn't change simply because humanity has one form of currency. "Currency" is merely representative of some other value. Yes, many treat currency as though it has some innate value of its own.

      It does not, although yes, currency can be a collectible with a value in an of itself. The general idea of currency, however, doesn't. It makes little to no difference what currency one uses as long as it genuinely represents some trade-worthy value.

    • 1 year ago
  • irie_ojo
  • Pollo_Loco_
  • Gravity_Man
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      Gravity_Man  
    • Americans need to get with the program and think as if they are Chinese peasants out stomping in a rice paddy not caring who is in control. In doing that we would achieve much peace of mind and stability.

      Gov't says 2 children, have two children. Gov't says everybody take two steps, everybody take two steps [and quit teaching that Paul Revere foolishness]. Once we make over our minds everything will go much better. What we have today is a mess. I liken having many governments just like back in 1800's America. The US had multiple rail lines and each was using a different gauge railroad track.

      The world needs to be riding the same track. The Space program needs to be sharing resources (same track). If people stop thinking so nationalistic as we're American, or we're Chinese, or we're Russians, and start to feeling we're all one species ~needing to protect each other~ and it results in mass conservation of resources worldwide, then the car will get pulled out of the snow filled ditch.

      Just like the world environment and world weather, everything needs to be running on the WORLD TRACK. Americans would still be Americans because they grew up in America, so being "American" can't really be taken away. Same goes for everybody else. Just take every nation's flag and slap a big star dead center. Done deal.

      You guys are blowing this stuff all out of proportion. And, maybe if the elites were to get higher up the ladder maybe we wouldn't be able to see them any more. They can live their life and we all live our life that would be about the same as the life we have now. Maybe better once you rabble rousers quit rousing the rabble to arms.

      Think about all the hundreds of thousands of soldiers who died in the European theater. What did they die for hmm? They died in the hopes of world peace one day being the reality and no more war. You stand a better chance of doing that with one government than many squabbler countries.

      Your problem is you assume it will be bad. But since it's never been done before how do you know that?

      Maybe that new drug that makes people super strong would be given to us sooner, and that other new drug that makes people live longer. Once we stop kicking sand in each other's face maybe we could move forward much faster and enjoy the benefits of Science.

      We [big babies] sure won't get em now [by.living in the past]. Besides, you still have 100% Freedom of Speech [inside your house, car & shower]. You still have Freedom of Choice [which job to work at]. If you don't want a baby you'll still have RU-486. I fail to see where Global this-or-that poses such a threat. Just take the US Constitution & Bill of Rights and mash it together with the other world power's documents and hammer out a New Improved document that takes into account new information nobody's "Founding Fathers" foresaw happening... and escape their simpleness.

      And for gosh sakes somebody give Al Gore the title. I look at it this way. Remember the Roman Legions, how in war they would form into a V. The phalanx was deadly. Well, the world needs to be that phalanx now and go defeating the world problems many railroads are unable to solve alone.

      We all stand at the cusp of mankind's greatness.

    • 1 year ago
  • DefKid
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      DefKid  
    • Gravity_Man:

      How do we come to agreements with China on civil liberties? Explain where there will be some compromise made on their part. They will say F-U. We are the superpower now! Which is fine. We have what we need to be prosperous and defend ourselves. It'd be a good thing if we backed out of playing world cop. People died for the idea of a free America. In our lifetime all we have witnessed is the overreaching hand of the federal gov't imposing on our liberties. This nation was founded on the best of principles, and the idea that we should give them up to join the melting pot is ridiculous. Enough. I've never been the biggest flag waver in the crowd, but listening to this discussion makes me sick. We have been given a superb framework for governing a nation. Complete with the ability to change the things that we see fit to change. Realize what we have and take control of it.

    • 1 year ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • DefKid:

      If the objective is world peace then there is no other choice than a world government needs to be birthed. At present the world is broken, so those who prefer broken won't make out so well. There comes a time when change has to be embraced and yes, even believed in.

    • 1 year ago
  • Omnomynous
  • Naumadd
    • 0
      Naumadd  
    • The "one world government/one world currency" concept isn't fundamentally bad - in fact it makes good sense that the species be united in certain values worldwide largely because the environment does not recognize our silly borders and human beings are far more alike than different to one another. We all have essentially the same basic needs and have the same collection of resources with which to satisfy them. Most of our cultures pay at least lip service to the values of "civilization" over the values of savagery. There ARE civilized values we can all agree we share and savage values we can all agree we do NOT share.

      Nevertheless, I do not endorse any specific plan I've heard thus far unless it holds as its highest value human life and the mutual agreement of non-interference of any individual in the life of any other. In my "ideal world", tribal thinking is to be abandoned in favor of rationality and reason and primacy of the individual in all things.

      What's interesting is the fact that "primacy of the individual", rather than leading to a culture of "every man for himself", is likely to lead to the most cooperative culture humankind has ever yet experienced. A human being who is genuinely respected is free to prosper and genuinely free to help others out of genuine concern rather than coercion which only leads to resentment and division. It's reasonable to expect such a human being gives genuine respect in return. In such a culture, achievement rightly becomes its own reward - lack of achievement expects none.

    • 1 year ago
  • ArchDruid
  • Naumadd
    • +1
      Naumadd  
    • ArchDruid:

      If such a "government" does not derive its powers from the rights and liberties of each and every individual it is charged to govern, i.e., the common "man", the guy and gal on the street, it offers nothing but control and misery because such a government would exist for its own sake - not for the sake of those governed. That was the original dream of the United States, but that is dream not yet fully realized and perhaps never will be.

      Still, I'm a believer in the "one world government" idea, but only if human beings in general can mature significantly more than they are at present.

    • 1 year ago
  • ArchDruid
  • Gravity_Man
    • -1
      Gravity_Man  
    • ArchDruid:

      The UN suffers from Old Age, not the institution but the old men. The need for young blood is obvious. And do away with Nation identification and nameplates. Quit reinforcing which Nation is represented by Whom => otherwise they enter the building as separate, address issues as separate and nothing gets done. The UN disintegrates along national boundaries.

      Possibly re-write the UN Charter that no Reps can be over 40YO except under special allowance => the Al Gore Allowance. He has established himself as a world thinker. Delegates would accrue "world thinker" points whenever they vote for something that favors other delegates more than their own country.

      That's how they could keep their job.

    • 1 year ago
  • Dagum
    • 0
      Dagum  
    • ArchDruid:

      none. Any savings in dollarthey had would be destoryed. The U.S. would be a third world country overnight if they dumped the dollar as the reserve currency

    • 1 year ago
  • Dagum
  • Naumadd
    • 0
      Naumadd  
    • ArchDruid:

      The concept is sound. It's simply human beings who find it difficult to implement because of certain common immaturities. It's not really that complicated - guaranteed individual rights and liberties, a common form of currency, equal rational and reasonable justice, no borders, etc. Essentially it's the idea of "the most liberty for the greatest number".

      Human beings like to meddle in things not genuinely their business. They like to control that which they can control and more or less destroy that which they can't. I'd have to say the human species isn't mature enough for one-world government, but it IS in dire need of one.

    • 1 year ago
  • Naumadd
    • 0
      Naumadd  
    • Dagum:

      It's not impossible, obviously, because human beings are capable of doing so and there are at least some individuals mature enough to create and live with it. Still, I'd agree it's not likely anytime soon. The species as a whole must mature a bit more before there are enough individuals who can make it happen and make it stick. I'm certain it will happen, but not likely in our lifetimes.

    • 1 year ago
  • Gravity_Man
  • libertyforall
    • +1
      libertyforall  
    • For the most part, we already have a global governance. The small elite, the same ones who control the Federal Reserve, control the vast majority of the world's wealth. They provide and control money to many of the world government through influence on organizations like the IMF and World Bank.

      Globalists will continue to push their agenda and it will pass with blissful ignorance from the sheep who see it is a good thing.

    • 1 year ago
  • ayipis
    • -5
      ayipis  
    • here is a thought.........all of a sudden 40 of the richest MFs in the world all of a sudden "donating" their fortune................

      hummmmm..the New World Order is here...the ATF (you know those evil dudes that seem to love taking drugs away, was rumored to be part of this group)

      oh oh

    • 1 year ago
  • dalistuff
  • ayipis
  • ayipis
    • -2
      ayipis  
    • dalistuff:

      here is a thought....what IF..that is what if its not them assimilating to you and what you know as normal instead THEY FORCE you to assimilate to them????????

      then what?

    • 1 year ago
  • Naumadd
    • -1
      Naumadd  
    • ayipis:

      "One world government/one world currency" doesn't necessarily imply communism. It's merely the suggestion that, if the laws are rational, reasonable and fair, they will be worldwide, not simply in isolated pockets, nor will they be irrational, unreasonable and unfair in some locations allowed to continue behaving in such ways out of some misplaced idea of "respect".

      One has no warrant to demand respect for a culture inherently disrespectful.

    • 1 year ago
  • H2O_4U
  • toyotabedzrock
    • 0
      toyotabedzrock  
    • The dollar is the global currency. The world bank uses as a reserve currency. The value of Chinese currency is based off the value of the dollar.

      We also store gold for other countries, which was the second reason why NYC was attacked. Some of that gold was stored there.

    • 1 year ago
  • CarlosIsDown
  • alexandrek
  • Naumadd
    • +1
      Naumadd  
    • alexandrek:

      "Socialism" ought not be confused with plain voluntary cooperation. It's right that individuals voluntarily work together for common goals. "Socialism" is essentially dictating what others have deemed "worthy goals" and dictating the means to achieve them. The only genuinely voluntary act in the process is the vote to install that control. "Communism" is simply "socialism" installed by force.

      The U.S. seems like a "democracy" to many, but it operates much more like socialism. In any event "democracy" can become a nightmare if the majority is insane.

      Just ask the views of all of those who have been victimized by majority opinion that happens to be popular but nonetheless horribly wrong.

    • 1 year ago
  • alexandrek
  • UtopianSky
    • 0
      UtopianSky  
    • Naumadd:

      First, you are confusing political systems with economic systems.

      Second, the United States is NOT a Democracy, it's a Constitutional Republic. The constitution is the limit on mob rule- as shown by the overturning of prop 8 in California. People cannot vote away other people's rights.

      Third, Communism is NOT Socialism installed by force, not even close.

      Communism is when the government owns the MEANS of production- the government owns the land, the factories, etc. Everyone works FOR the government, and the government provides everything.

      In Socialism, people work for companies, or own companies, or are self-employed- just like in Capitalism. But the government collects taxes, and provides programs to help those in need.

      The United States IS Socialist, and has been ever since FDR.

      We cannot rely on voluntary cooperation because humans, by their nature, are greedy selfish bastards.

      Filthy rich don't care about the dirt poor, unless they can exploit them in some way. They only give to charities to get deductions on their taxes, or to enhance their public image.

      Communism does not work, and Capitalism does not work; Socialism is NECESSARY to create a stable economy.

    • 1 year ago
  • Naumadd
    • 0
      Naumadd  
    • alexandrek:

      I'm all for fairness, of course, but I'm entirely against getting something unearned or undeserved. If, when one is speaking of "worker's rights" one is speaking about fairness for each and every individual - to include management and ownership of the workplace - that's splendid. If you mean "workers rights" in that the collective effort of the workers is allowed to hold the workplace hostage to get that which they genuinely haven't earned or deserve to the point of running a business into the ground, I'm against it.

      I do not believe in the "right to a job". One has a right to work if one has talent, knowledge and skills and someone is willing to hire you. You do not have a "right to a job" simply because you're breathing and quite in spite of the fact you have little to no talent, knowledge, skill or experience or in spite of the fact an employer doesn't have a job needing filled.

      No one owes you a living unless you've earned it.

    • 1 year ago
  • Naumadd
    • 0
      Naumadd  
    • UtopianSky:

      I can assure you I have no confusion about these issues. Perhaps I dumbed down the topic too much for some. You are quite correct about the U.S. being a constitutional republic. Nevertheless, the common man/woman typically sees it a different way and will chime on and on about "democracy". I always like to point out that "democracy" isn't the ideal they believe it to be.

      As for "communism", I'm well aware of the general definition of it, but historically, so-called "communist" regimes have been installed by force. They chime on and on about "worker's rights" when, in fact, it was and is really the same old game of privilege for the upper echelons and the "common man" is made a slave to that upper crust on threat of extinction.

      Yes, I know full well that the U.S. is a mixed economy heavily skewed toward the socialist. Socialism is a welfare state installed by popular vote. There's nothing inherently capitalistic - or fair to the individual - about that.

      No, human beings are not "by their nature" greedy selfish bastards. I and many others can hardly be described in such a fashion. If it was our "nature" to be such, we would be. The fact we are not means something else is at work in persons unlike us, i.e., intellectual laziness and either a lack of or an unwillingness to empathize and have compassion on the part of others. Acknowledge it or not, some human beings CAN be relied on to engage in respectful voluntary cooperation with one another - some, and I'd argue most, cannot. That there are so many who cannot or will not is no warrant to ignore the fact there are some or many others who can and will. Such disrespect is uncalled for.

      Socialism isn't "necessary" for a stable economy. Certainly genuine laissez-faire capitalism has great potential for a prosperous culture and those who are capable and willing to respectfully deal with one another make it work in some places, at some times. It is those who cannot and will not relate to one another with respect and fairness who make government necessary to themselves. Respectful and fair human beings suffer with it but have no genuine need of it. "Socialism" seeks to take from others involuntarily to give to those who cannot or will not earn it. Yes, charity to others is a good thing, but "compulsory charity" is a contradiction. That's the nature of socialism.

      "Communism" doesn't even pretend to be about charity. It's just brutal control for the sake of the privileged.

    • 1 year ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • 0
      Gravity_Man  
    • Naumadd:

      Agreed yet in the Real World you do have a percentage of "little to no talent, knowledge, skill or experience" so you either euthanize them or give em something productive to do even if it's only trimming shrubs. Or establish an impossible set of laws that is guaranteed to entrap them = Prison Time.

    • 1 year ago
  • Naumadd
    • 0
      Naumadd  
    • Gravity_Man:

      Sure, individuals may have little to no talent, knowledge, skill or experience - but that doesn't mean their lives belong to you to do with as you wish. Assuming they ask for it, one can always provide them with knowledge, skill and experience. Talent will show up on its own accord with time. And no, I'm not advocating giving these things without cost to them ... unless there is somehow a profit in doing so.

      And by "profit", I don't necessarily mean a monetary profit. There is certainly a gain in putting a smile on the face of another. That gain is erased, however, if one is compelled to such "charity" by threats.

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
    • +1
      UtopianSky  
    • Naumadd:

      You say:
      "historically, so-called "communist" regimes have been installed by force."

      Historically, almost all governments were installed by force.

      And there never has been a communist nation- as you said, there were wealthy party members, and poor people in bread lines. In true communism, everyone is "middle class". Communism could only work if everyone were perfect, loving caring individuals who want to contribute to society.

      Capitalism can also only work if everyone were perfect, loving caring individuals who want to contribute to society.

      This conversation reminds me of Candide.

      Yes, there are some nice people out there- but the majority are not. It would be wonderful if most people were kind and good to others, and only a few criminals were out there to get caught.

      That is not what humans are like.

      Humans earn billion dollar salaries while fighting against giving their employees health care plans.

      Power corrupts; government is necessary so that corruption is curbed.

      If we had anarchy, it would look less like Utopia, and more like Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.

      Because of the nature of humanity as a whole, Socialism is the only thing that works.

      Individuals are rewarded for contributing to society, and individuals are provided for so that they CAN contribute to society.

      Compulsory charity is necessary because there is not enough voluntary charity. It's not about a handout, it's about a step up.

      We know what society is like when Capitalism runs amuck- children working in factories, black lung, missing limbs, people forced to buy from the "company store" and going into debt to the company for more than their wages.

      With only one of those two aspects (reward and support) without the other, we become unbalanced.

    • 1 year ago
  • alexandrek
  • UtopianSky
  • Einsam_Data_Old
  • notanexit
  • keithponder
  • keithponder
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • keithponder
  • Gravity_Man
  • fun_size
    • 0
      fun_size  
    • I can definitely see a few reasons why a one world currency would help with economics. However, since the dollar is hurting so badly right now this might actually hurt the US more than leaving things the way they are.

    • 1 year ago
  • Toughth
    • +1
      Toughth  
    • Don't know witch is better, having bankers buy and sell money like a commodity or do somthing sensible like put the world on an equal footing.

    • 1 year ago
  • ScottyT
    • +5
      ScottyT  
    • Not now. The only logical reason financial institutions would want a global currency at this point is to escape debt and failing monetary policies--only to replace it with a similar fiat system on a global level instead of a national level.

      Somewhere down the line, when nations have their proverbial houses in order, the concept of a global currency may become realized. However, now is definitely not the time, and I oppose any such measure.

    • 1 year ago
  • fun_size
    • -1
      fun_size  
    • ScottyT:

      I would agree to a certain extent. However when do you think most of the worlds nations will have their finances in order? Hell our debt has been spiraling out of control for the past 30 years...

    • 1 year ago
  • ScottyT
  • Naumadd
    • +1
      Naumadd  
    • ScottyT:

      Actually, now might be a very opportune time. When is it too early to create a currency that represents authentic value, not some imagined value like we essentially have today? I believe it is when one wishes to create an entirely new currency when one has a rare opportunity to create one that actually means something and dispense with those that do not.

      That's not to say those planning such a change intend to do such a thing, but it is the prime opportunity to do so if that is their intention.

      If it isn't, it ought to be. "Fake value" can only give one fake gains and fake losses thus rendering currency irrelevant.

    • 1 year ago
  • TheEmpireGuy
    • +1
      TheEmpireGuy  
    • The U.S. needs to maintain it's own distinct sovereignty in all aspects. World currency leads to world government.

      We must be free, independent, and sovereign. If the U.N. was bad, outright world government would be even worse.

      We need to fix our own currency, here at home. Abolish the Fed. Make a return towards a commodity backed monetary system. So much can be done to bolster and strengthen the dollar.

    • 1 year ago
  • unimatrix0
    • +3
      unimatrix0  
    • It is not a question of if but when. A global currency is unavoidable barring some catastrophic major meltdown, as is some sort of global governance.
      There will always be those who fear progress.

    • 1 year ago
  • TheEmpireGuy
    • +3
      TheEmpireGuy  
    • unimatrix0:

      Progress? Progress towards what?

      Our country should remain independent and sovereign. Uphold our own Constitution and remain a bastion of freedom and liberty among the nations.

      "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations - entangling alliances with none." - Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4th, 1801.

    • 1 year ago
  • fun_size
    • 0
      fun_size  
    • TheEmpireGuy:

      The world is becoming a different place than it was 300 years ago. As technology progresses the world will become even more interconnected and it will become more and more difficult for nations to be both prosperous and isolated.

    • 1 year ago
  • TheEmpireGuy
  • ScottyT
  • unimatrix0
  • alexandrek
  • fun_size
    • +1
      fun_size  
    • alexandrek:

      Im not saying a one world government would be easy to govern but dividing the world into invisible boundaries is pretty crazy if you think about it. If youre on the other side of the line then you are not one of "Us" and that makes you one of "them" an outsider.

      The concept of the Nation State is growing more and more antiquated as time goes on. Look at the European Union. Each Nation controls its own local laws but gives up a certain measure of sovereignty for more freedom. A world without borders is truly the way of the future.

      To quote the great Albert Einstein "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."

    • 1 year ago
  • Gravity_Man
    • -1
      Gravity_Man  
    • alexandrek:

      Everybody will need to watch the weekly training films to help make the transition to Dukes of Hazard rules. 1/3 of the week everybody gets a turn being in Jail, the other 3rd they're sitting at a kitchen table wolfing down fried chicken.

    • 1 year ago
  • alexandrek
  • Gravity_Man
    • -1
      Gravity_Man  
    • alexandrek:

      Paperwork & watching more training tapes til you get it right. Some of us get to be Bo, others get to be more like Luke, some women get to be Daisy Duke. A bunch of guys get to be the mechanic friend. No one has time left in the week to invade anybody.

      If you want to invade somebody do it by yoself.

    • 1 year ago
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