And it went on in Europe too when Europe was backward and Arabia was the center of the developed world. 500,000 women burned at the stake, while Crusaders were rampaging against the equivalent of Europe and the United States wealth and culturewise.

Check out documentary Holy Wars to hear historian's view on why Muslim World is as backward as it is today. It has been dominated by Western Powers since collapse of Ottoman Empire and in some places 100s of years longer.

Western Powers who know a thing or two about de-educating, promulgating fundamentalism, cultural invasion, asset stripping, resettling, re-mapping, dismantling functioning democracies or socialist states, all to ensure a constant state of violence and despair.

Very convenient this CIA plot to "expose" the treatment of women in Afghanistan this Summer to US voters and the publics of NATO countries. Time magazine complicit in the whole plot. Well, time has a history with the CIA.

Come to think of it, they've done many of these things to us at Home now too! Rising poverty, unemployment, under-employment and under-education, rising isolation and emasculation and therefore violence against women, attacking Roe vs Wade!

They need to keep women down, birthrates and misery up, to keep the next generation of young people from rising up! Watch out women. Watch out World!

I am sorry, but this has been going on for centuries... who are we to change it, they need to change themselves. It is NOT our place to fix this country's culture. the Afghan's are the only ones who can change this.

Immanuel Kant had no tanks.

tell them they cant intrude in a religious ceremony like marriage they are all up at arms..but women getting oppressed AND EXECUTED and they get all timid..claiming it does not exist..

hummmmmmmmm

if we are NOT going to do anything..why not disband the UN???

We should be supporting their plight but we cannot physically fight for them. Islamic issues must be settled by Islamic people. We should indirectly apply pressure where needed. Anything the west does to directly change the condition of something "Muslim" will not be accepted very well.
We need to get secular Islam involved.

thats a good thing right? we should be fighting for afghan women. i remember hearing in the late 90's what the taliban were doing to women and i sure as shit wanted to bomb the motherf@#ers.

you would think documents of that nature need not be classified.

In some cases the same goes on everywhere round the world not just there ! The only people that can stop this is themselves , I hope the U.S does not go to war over this , after all they have been doing this for years , its their way , its how they want to life !

one of the most interesting stories i've heard about how a wife prevents abuse was how one woman waited for her husband to go to sleep after a particularly bad beating. she waited for him to got to sleep, then woke him up with a gun in his face saying, "if you ever touch me again i will kill you!" the woman was reported to say that it never happened again after that.

here's some interesting stories for those women to "help" themselves.

from http://www.h-net.org/~women/threads/disc-poison.html

"Women and the Crime of Poison Discussion/March 1998

Query From Bela Bodo bbodo@yorku.ca 11 Mar 1998

I am working on an interesting story that shook Hungarian and European public opening in 1929. In [a] nutshell the story: in a remote part of Hungary, women poisoned their husbands and sick parents for three decades. The main character was the midwife who provided women with arsenic that she gained by dissolving flypapers. During the trials the village community generally protected its members; their defence of the accused ensured that only four women were sentenced to death and six received prison sentences.

I wonder whether anyone knows about similar cases. I am especially interested in the connection between poisoning and women. Was it a typical female crime and why. Does anyone know about books that discuss the role of midwives in traditional peasant societies? I would also appreciate books on family violence especially during the interwar period. Thank you."

Female Suicide On Rise in Herat
Officials report 50 per cent rise in self-immolation and poisoning over last year.

By Sudabah Afzali - Afghanistan
ARR Issue 363,
7 Jun 10

"Many of the survivors, like Mahjabin, regret that their suicide attempts failed.

Among them is Shokria, 28, who suffered 80 per cent burns. Doctors say they will not be able to save her life.

Wrapped in bandages with only her eyes visible, and her speech slurred, Shokria said she was married against her will to a husband who beat her and their children every day.

Her father ignored her appeals, and she says she was unable to get help from women’s rights groups, so she decided on suicide."

'I don’t regret setting myself on fire,'she said. 'My only concern is that my children will still be with that cruel man.' "

(Sudabah Afzali is an IWPR-trained reporter in Herat.)

are we really making a difference? maybe the cruelty has decreased in total, but the extreme abuse against women still continues.

Catastrophe In Action

Chronically Ineffective Agency

C I A acrowar anyone?

The people on this webiste only care about womens rights when they are in the best intrest of the liberal idiolgoy.

So, in other words the "forecast" of civilian deaths we see every day this Summer was a self-fulfilling prophecy? to keep NATO countries in the game?

This is getting worse and worse. And nobody in that Congress has the guts or balls to have a hearing on this Bogus War? Because of Military contracts?

The Pentagon is over there killing Afghanis for PR? Ahem. Allowing conditions for the killing of Afghanis for PR? Creating conditions for the killing of Afghanis for PR? Perhaps seeding the killing by paying out $$$ to both sides in the conflict?

This is getting too obvious now.

And just who is going to be facing this anti-American hatred they're creating themselves?

This is called "life time jobs" for the boys. And there's nobody in this Bogus Congress to stop this abuse of Prerogative? And nobody on that Supreme Court who finds any of these "laws" and "rules" remotely suspect and violating our rights as American taxpayers? and Citizens? Parents?

"Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness." Right!

its called psy-ops

Well of course the Government is going to use whatever means available to build up public support for the war. This is about as shocking as finding out Lindsay Lohan isnt a virgin...

So are you saying things aren't that bad for women in Afghanistan?

one can only imagine the concepts envisioned to justify actions by CIA anylists.
It certainly is a interesting job, there's never a dull moment. Ego, deception, truth to the point where it probably gets difficult to kepp your brain about you. Also why so many reitire young from the intell game.

So we have a planned PR campaign for the war. Does that dimish the plight of women in the nation? Does that lessen the human rights struggle that is fought every day? What must be done in afgahnistan is a nation must be built that though backwards now has the room for grownth. It wasnt that long ago really that women were not allowed to vote in the west, and it wasnt to much before that what they read was closely watched. Womans rights is a process for a culture and society we can just move in and say OMG women have equal rights! We must lay the foundation, ensure their basic saftey and allow the nation to grow and devolop, otherwise the change will only be asthetic until we leave.

So they feigned being human to get a war. Sounds about right.

we can just give the women guns and then leave I guess. I'm meeting you half way you stupid CIA. . . hold on, some men in black suits are at the door.

I am still thinking if allowing the taliban to rule...holding our resources from us so i cant have my iphone or i cant put gas in my BMW..respecting their ways of destroying the lives of women, children and HOMOSEXUALS..

i say going in there and doing what we are doing is right..honestly..who would not want what everybody has???

everybody would want freedom of worshiping or NOT worshiping ..the RIGHT TO LOVE anyone (humm i am suprised that the very same people who preached it a few months back are now asking to retain the normal taliban status quo on that one)..the right to own a BMW or a donkey..the right to live comfortably in places that mimicks san francisco or massachuset..

come on people..i read an article about exntinction in 200 years..well it is right..

http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=110...:islams-loathing-and-lust-for-homosexuality&catid=197&Itemid=61

..well what do you guys think about the idea of the taliban executing homosexuals??? another CIA lie??

Dis-information is the hall mark of the CIA what do you expect?
Personally I would like to see the US pull out all of our kids and let the Pakistanis and Afghans know that if we are ever attacked again it will mean their total Vaporization.

It really doesn't matter that it's leaked. They will still use that strategy, and it will probably still work just as effectively.

that is the same shit i said when the UN started preaching they wanted to save blah blah blah

Every time the west tries to capitalize on some misfortune of an Islamic group in Afghanistan it always backfires.The Islamic extremists will always use western initiatives in Muslim countries to their advantage with the other Islamic countries. Take the civilian death toll for instance. Most of the civilian casualties are actually inflicted by the Taliban but we only seem to hear about the NATO inflicted civilian casualties.

The western non Muslim countries need to leave Afghanistan. We need to make that scene a more unilateral issue. Make it an Arab/Islamic world problem and elevate it to that level status globally. We can still support the efforts of the "good" Afghans indirectly.

So, the justification for war is to promote human rights? Does that really make any sense to anyone, seems counter-productive.

IF women were really given power , how long do you think the taliban would last ? First they need to be educated . Then trained to protect themselves , with arms . We never really needed to be there militarily . We needed to build schools . This would decrease "terrorism" the world over . This has been known since WW2 .

Now the U.S. will be using the plight of the women in Afghan. to gain support to extract the reported 3 trillion in mineral deposits that were discovered last month.
war is all economics

There is a difference between the CIA using real information, and hiding/distorting the information.

My conscience cannot reconcile leaving a vulnerable group of people without help.

surprise, surprise....NOT!

Good post!