The Navy Is Discharging Jarod McIntosh Because It Found Photos Of His Boyfriend on a Cell Phone / Queerty

lol that is fucking hilarious

You have served this country true but you sure as hell don't understand this country and the principles it was founded on

"I refuse to stoop to your level any further."

FYI you have stooped far below my level by expressing glee at the "nuclear" bombings (atomic actually) of Japan just to throw a petty barb at me. That's pretty despicable and low.

"The minority squeak will be suppressed by the voice of the vast majority. In the United States, the majority still rules!"

Which is exactly what the Founding Fathers were against. This is one reason why they installed the Electoral College to prevent majority rule! Do you not understand the basic principles of our country was founded on? Are you sure you weren't serving in the USSR Navy or the Hitler Youth Yachting Club?

I guess the point is moot. I retired from the United States Navy, I get a pay check every month for the rest of my life for "Honorable Service to my Country". Me and my family receive health care for the rest of our lives, immune from "Obama Care". I shop in discounted, military exclusive, stores on the confines of a secure military facility, away from prying eyes of the underclass. I have 2 degrees now, and still have 4 more years of tuition free benefits anywhere in the country should I ever want to use it. I dont pay taxes on my retirement, courtesy of the United States Government for my "faithful service". I retired when I was 38 years old. My house on 40 acres of land was purchased using my Guaranteed GI Loan initially. But bought and paid for now. My SUV and 2 pickup trucks have Disabled Veteran license plates, free of charge and exempt from property tax. My son goes to a University tuition free, complements of the government. He also receives a $500 / month stipend for being the son a disabled combat veteran, who fought in 3 wars. On top of it all, the military requires no more from me. Not subject to recall, no reserve, no meetings, no further obligation. I served my time honorably!

I owe the military my blind faith. I support the US Military and the rules of law they have established. More importantly, Im living a lot better than you! So, with regard to your wonderful opinion. I dont give a shit what you think! Shove your opinion up your ass, or display it on a banner for the world to see.

Ive got it better than you, thanks to the United States Navy!!!

I will post no further comments! Bash me all you want. Criticize to your hearts content. Say what you want. I leave you with the thought, between the 'have' and the 'have not' classes......I am in the "Have"! I served, and an damn proud of it, and have been rewarded for my 'blind faith' in the system!

I didn't ask for your life story, Dean. Now keep in mind I'm not mocking your service or your service record so don't hide behind it like jarod's two accusers are accusing him of doing with his homosexuality. Bit ironic, eh?

I questioned your interest in this matter and now I have the answer with your last few responses. You really need to read up on the Founding Fathers and the Constitution because you don't understand the nature of the very thing you swore to defend all those years.

"I leave you with the thought, between the 'have' and the 'have not' classes......I am in the "Have"! "

And I leave you with the thought of a wise man you may have a passing acquaintance with though you apparently don't understand Him.

"One’s life does not consist of the abundance of the things he possesses” ( Luke 12:15).

You should not be allowed to serve.

"The minority squeak will be suppressed by the voice of the vast majority." - You exemplify one of the biggest problems this nation is currently fighting. This nation was founded on ideals that you do not hold.

You are not in the majority and you should be considered a threat to the nation, a terrorist in the making like Timothy McVeigh.

don't question his service. He did his time and that shouldn't be discredited. It's just ironic that apparently he had no idea what principles he had sworn to uphold. fortunately by his admission he said he was a blind follower of regulation so we are not in danger of him blowing up a federal building or a gay disco so long as the regulations don't change.

He is like one of the many Tea Party people who despite their ardent patriotism and flag-waving are actually the exact opposite to the principles the Founding Fathers believed in. I've seen that majority rule sentiment before with some Tea Partiers. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad

His service is worthless, i do not associate myself with anyone with questionable morals nor do I want to have someone like him defending me.

It is in fact his blindness to anything outside of his orders that allows places like Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib to exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_Orders#Nuremberg_Trials_after_World_War_II

"It is in fact his blindness to anything outside of his orders that allows places like Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib to exist."

Actually you do have a point there and in the military you are taught not to obey an order than you know to be unlawful but those who have blind faith are more likely to commit such actions without question.

Thank you :-)

what justice? Do you even understand the concept of justice? Methinks not.

unfortunately it is you Dave who has no grasp on either reality or justice..sad... just sad.

what reality, lady? You have yet to show anything except unfounded accusations. Why should we take the word of anonymous internet users who only signed up to harass Jarod when he put up this video?

what truth? You made allegations - accusations. You did not present even evidence of truth except your word but since you are anonymous, how can we take you whoever you are at your word? Jarod may be lying but by putting his face and name out there in this matter, the tendency is to believe him more so than some faceless, nameless entity on an internet forum site. Anyone could have made up a handle and claimed Jarod was sleeping with a Cuban double-agent while poisoning puppies and using the American flag as toilet paper.

There is no reason at this point in time why anyone should take what you have to say as truth except for people like Dean who WANT to believe without evidence for their own agenda.

No one has answered my question, hope you can help. Is Jarod qualified ships? For no other reason it is important to me. As a submariner, you would understand! Thanks.....

We dont care if you believe the truth we really dont give a shit. the point is we got the truth out there. you have done nothing but argue with anyone who has sense and constantly cloud the issue. SO who the Hell are you to say anything when we personally know the true story. what exactly do you know other than to bicker and call names

"SO who the Hell are you to say anything when we personally know the true story."

Lady, I don't know you from the moon in the man and I have no proof you know anything about this person except that you say so. You could be anyone for all anyone knows. You come off here though as a petty vindictive person which makes me dislike you on general principle.

"Is Jarod qualified ships?"

I don't think anyone understood the question to begin with but anyway this newspaper article says his captain rated him above average and wanted him back on board.

http://jacksonville.com/news/military/2010-08-12/story/kings-bay-sailor-being-di...

"In a questionnaire Hernandez filled out for the administrative hearing, he rated McIntosh as above average.

"His personal life was never an issue in the performance of his duties," the commander said. "He has served his country honorably and has the potential for continued service and growth as a valued contributor to our Navy." "

Oh, if you're afraid of some gay agenda, put it to rest. i'm not gay. I just don't like internet haters and liars and people who blindly follow rules without questions. I've quite enjoyed taking you lot to task over it. You were willing to believe two anonymous people with little or no evidence. That was not very sharp of you. Justice was hardly served there or here but I hope I have done part to aid justice against unfounded accusations and blind obedience.

No, what you have done is showed you ignorance of the military system. Thats ok, its still not illegal to be a dumb ass. As a matter of fact, you might be in the majority!

BTW, Qualified Ships is a very important part of the submarine community. Again, your ignorance is excused. I wouldnt expect any more from someone who can confuse, or has no concept of military order and self discipline.

There are legal ways of changing the rules if you dont agree with them. Total disregard and/or defiance in not one of them in the military. Open rebellion in the military, during time of war, is grounds for death by execution. Again, I wouldnt expect someone with no comprehension of faith, honor, and commitment to ones country to understand this.

Oh, those two 'anonymous people', I have verified, they are credible, not that this would change your opinion anyway!

there you go goosestepping again whilst you sidestep the issue with your big bad military talk. I'm just sooooo impressed you can talk military lingo. Anyway, I answered your question but you refuse to see it. His captain rated him above average and wanted him back aboard so you play your little Navy jargon games all day long, it don't mean thing, dean.

"Oh, those two 'anonymous people', I have verified, they are credible,"

they are verified! Wow, dean says so, so it must be so! I mean he didn't just join this site to comment on Jarod. He's been a long upstanding member here... oh waitaminute.

Gimmebreak, dude, you and those two just want to crucify him - you out your blind obedience to regulations and the other two out of petty vindictiveness. Given what I have read here I have little reason to trust any of you, neither your words or your intentions.

Keep your ignorant ass in Japan. Another country conquered by the mighty military machine of the United States of America. Another country with a world wide agenda, bombed back to the stone age! Nuclear weapons, made in America, tested in Japan with 100% success!

Thats good....please do us all a favor and keep your ignorant ass in Japan. Im sure its a far superior country anyway. Another country with an agenda, put in its place by the might of the United States Military!

"Keep your ignorant ass in Japan. Another country conquered by the mighty military machine of the United States of America. Another country with a world wide agenda, bombed back to the stone age! Nuclear weapons, made in America, tested in Japan with 100% success!"

Look at the hatred spewing forth from Dean! Thank you, Dean! You pretty much proved what I suspected about you. Your glee over destruction shows you for the despicable person you are not to mention truly ignorant. Bombed back into the stone age, dean? Uh, only two cities were hit and now they make butt loads of electronics that you probably have around your bunker.

FYI no nuclear weapons were tested in Japan. They were atomic bombs. I'd have thought a military person like you would have known the difference.

i'm not navy so i don't know but i think he was asking if he has a certain qualification or clearance regarding the navy. there are certain situations where speaking out will do nothing because you are semi-useless to the military. like you couldn't protest dadt while you were in tradoc in the army because you're pretty much useless anyways. or if you are low in rank, on some type of profile, or put on disciplinary duty.

"A few here have done nothing but criticize, and abuse. "

And that would include you, dean, and daisychain, and ladyblah. You three seem to have a personal ax to grind in this affair that goes beyond debate that none of you have actually engaged in

The axe to grind is he is abusing and using his gay status to try and get attention when him being gay had 0 to do with him being busted out, and thats wrong. There are real people out there who are fighting for gay rights and equality and when jerks lie about it like him it makes it that much harder for the real fights to win. The truth will get out when this gets bigger because eventually he is going to have to show proof with documents.

"A few here have done nothing but criticize, and abuse. There is no discussion here anymore! "

This from the guy who now says:

"Keep your ignorant ass in Japan. Another country conquered by the mighty military machine of the United States of America. Another country with a world wide agenda, bombed back to the stone age! Nuclear weapons, made in America, tested in Japan with 100% success!"

Pot-Kettle but I didn't show any hatred towards another country or expressed glee at the destruction that befell it. What a hypocrite and hate-monger.

The thing is I called two individuals out to provide some kind of proof to their accusations and allegations that Jarod was being discharged other than being gay. They called into question his service record and claimed he was a "shitty" sailor. They did not bother to support their accusations while I procured a report which stated that the Captain rated Jarod above average and wanted him back on board. The reporter further added that he had the seen the hearings paperwork and that homosexual activity was the reason for the discharge.

I think Dean is just losing it because he knows he's been beaten and doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Exactly!

i never called you a homophobe... but this statement does make me wonder.

i disagree with your extreme defense of the dadt policy. also there is no need to generalize everyone as being part of some "gay agenda". there is no such thing as a "gay agenda" just like there was never any such thing as a "black agenda" during slavery or segregation. people who tend to think that all gay people are in cahoots trying to take over the world tend to be somewhat homophobic.

I dont believe I mentioned anyone by name. If you feel slighted by the generalization of the 'gay agenda', then I apologize for use of the term tossed about casually by the mass media.

"An agenda is a set of issues and policies laid out that tries to influence current and near-future political news and debate."

no prob i accept your apology. you're more civil then most posters.

"An agenda is a set of issues and policies laid out that tries to influence current and near-future political news and debate."

that definitely isn't what "the gays" are doing. we don't have some one defined goal. we're as different in ideas as straight people and so are our ideals.

Oh, sorry......I guess I was thinking that 'equality and acceptance' was the issue and the goal of the "Gay Agenda".

There is a gay agenda, it's for me to leave fresh tread marks across your shiny dome!

Pack it in your ass.....ok, you might enjoy that! Very intelligent and informative reply....thank you!!

How about i put a broomstick up yours and we can recreate some of those gitmo pics.

Do you really think you can???? Ooops....whats that!!!! Oh, its just your stupidity showing!!! It may be looking for your brain.....good luck with that!

Yeah I could.

"'equality and acceptance' was the issue and the goal of the "Gay Agenda"."

it's not a goal or an agenda lol. everyone on the planet wants equality in every way (for the most part).

gay people also have different ideas of equality and acceptance. we don't all have one brain. take equality: some gays and lesbians are all for civil union as opposed to marriage like elton john. some believe we should have full marriage just the same as heterosexuals have in most countries. some (like me) believe everyone should be allowed plural marriage. some believe there shouldn't be marriage at all. and there are some who even believe that marriage should only be reserved for heterosexuals. -what kind of agenda must we have if we can't even agree on stuff, that's only one of many issues that face our community.

uh-huh and you're just some coward throwing words on a screen, daisybrain. Man up and make your own video detailing your side of things. Until then you are just another anonymous coward whose words can be easily dismissed as lies or just stalker fodder.

Where is your video Dve? or are you Just a loud mouth? Im pretty sure you are you just continue to cloud the issue with nonsense lol

When he put his video on Youtube he was asking for others to become involved in his life...his lies forced me to have to come out and speak the truth. I'm no stalker simply someone who will not allow this to continue, and you realise when you start calling names,....I have won the debate!

why would dave make a video regarding this issue? did you miss what he was trying to say? he's referring to those involved. if this guy is claiming to be a character witness then show us a video to prove you're not bullshitting. what would dave making a video do to change this case?

well if dave is going to make a statement about someone else then he should be willing to back his side instead of calling daisy a coward I mean really what is that solving its childish and taking the focus away from the issue

where is my video? Are you an idiot? Waitaminute don't bother answering the obvious. I'm not the ones making claims about who Jarod is or motivations as though I have special information.

he hasn't forced you to come out, you are hiding behind an anonymous handle throwing accusations without any evidence other than your word. Calling you a coward is like calling a duck a duck. You have won no debate because you have no debate - only accusations with no evidence.

"I have won the debate!"

this isn't the special olympics, not everyone gets a gold

"if dave is going to make a statement about someone else"

...he didn't

daisy did

therefor, daisy needs to make the video or do something to back up those claims, not dave

get it?...

no your just calling names and arguing with everyone on here like a 12 year old

the statements I was referring to were him calling daisy names and generally being a jerk when he has no real information about the issue just what this kid has said in a video and no one who knows the truth is allowed to make a video the Navy won't allow it

"generally being a jerk when he has no real information about the issue"

and guess what, lady, I nor anyone else still has no real information because you and daisychain haven't provided any other than your anonymous word. You two could be the same people for anyone knows along with Dean. All 3 of you mysterious showed on this site at about the same time and have only "contributed" to this one page

"no one who knows the truth is allowed to make a video the Navy won't allow it"

aw, gee, how convenient is that! So we are just suppose to accept the anonymous word from two handles on face value? If the case is that Jarod is lying (in your words), why come here at all to air his dirty laundry? Why not let the wheels of justice roll on their own accord?

You and daisychain's petty little spiteful comments here are not going to change anything. You two just seem to want to assassinate his character. When I asked for proof of your allegations you have just weaseled out of it making me suspicious of your intent here.

so the navy won't allow you to make a video regarding the information but you're allowed to make allegations over the internet?

"He knew what he did was a violation of the rules. He did it voluntarily. To this, I dont believe there is much to defend."

Yep and so did Jack Lucas the youngest recipient of the Medal of Honor. He lied to get in when he was underaged, he deserted his unit, he was a stowaway on a military vessel but he got the Medal of Award for willing to sacrifice his life for the sake of others. Do you believe there was much to defend this blatant violator of UCMJ? President Truman apparently had no problem

the is a large difference there and if you can't see it that is sad

apples and oranges! gah, not even a good argument bah.

"the is a large difference there and if you can't see it that is sad"

whoa, you really slayed me with that incredible bit of logic!

another brilliant retort! What debate are you claiming to have won? You and ladyblah should join the high school debate club with your incredible debate skills

"Besides, I dont see 'gay rights' included anywhere in the US Constitution."

Actually, I would think that would fall under the inalienable rights clause in the Declaration of Independence which created our nation and preceded the Constitution. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and all that jazz.

"I guess I need to point out that it IS law in the military:"

I guess I need to point out that laws are not absolute otherwise we'd still have slavery and voting restricted to 21 year old and above land-owning white males. And this particular "law" of UCMJ seemingly flies in the face of Federal laws prohibiting employment discrimination. Since when has the military been beyond the government and country that it is bound to uphold and defend?

To say that not all equal to work and to fight even in the military is to undermine everything that America supposedly stands for.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

You need to become an actual American and take to heart the true ideals of freedom and liberty instead of blindly supporting discriminatory policies that are blatantly against the very principles our country was founded on.

In short, you are in the wrong, just admit it and move on.

Im not sure what rock you have been living under, but the military has an entire set of rules/laws that are "beyond the government and country that it is bound to uphold and defend" Please read the UCMJ. Each and every service member took an oath :

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

so? The constitution is above the UCMJ because that is what gives the military its power to begin with. And you know blacks weren't allowed to fight in the military and were segregated until the Korean War because of UCMJ policies at the time. Guess what? That ain't the case today, now is it? UCMJ is NOT some untouchable entity.

And if people followed it as blindly as you apparently do, where would we be?

If we followed your logic then Jack Lucas, the youngest recipient to receive the Medal of Honor for his actions at Iwo Jima should have been thrown out of the military. He joined the Marines via a forged waiver when he was only 14. He later went AWOL and was declared a deserter. He stowed aboard a transport ship bound for Iwo Jima where he saved the lives of his comrades by jumping on two grenades. He survived was awarded the Medal of Honor by President Truman.

So despite some rather serious violations of your precious UCMJ, Lucas proved his worth and was awarded by the president himself our country's highest military decoration. Guess they didn't care about Lucas' "Failure to obey..." on several occasions.

"I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC"

can DADT count as a domestic enemy?

"bottom line is he knowingly violated the rules. So, he has been lying since day one."

my god you are a melodramatic weenie robot. There have been gays serving in the military since god knows when and they will probably continue to do so. So patriotism should make allowance for sexual orientation, huh? If he wants to go down in a sub for his country more power to him even if he goes down on someone of the same gender in his private surface time.

DADT is not a law so save your bullshit moral issue. Morals have changed thru-out the course of human history which is why these days even your fundamentalist Christians tend to ignore those passages in the Bible about buying slaves and killing folks who work on Sundays.

"Im starting to believe the story that you only intended on staying in long enough to get the GI Bill, and then step up and declare yourself gay, pursue the admin discharge, and go on your way........didnt work out as planned huh?????"

You accepted the word of one faceless and nameless handle who could be anybody for all we know? At least Jarod has the balls to stand up for himself unlike daisylezbochain who could just be some troll. I'd call you a sucker but that would be redundant.

ROFL daizylezbochain...that's hot....really is that the best you could come up with...and I don't need to have a face, a voice works to tell the truth just as well!

what voice, numnuts? You are just some random words and a personal tirade on a forum site. How do we know you are anyone who even knows this guy? Have some balls and make your own video if you are so sure about what jarod is doing. Until then you are just a garden variety hater troll.

he made it everyone's business when he contacted the media and put a video on You tube lying about why he got kicked out.

ooooo someone is angry. That's ok, the burden of proof isn't on me. There are those that served with him that will read this and know what I'm talking about. He is the one that will have to respond to my posts. I don't give two shits if you believe me, I really don't. I don't care if you think I'm a troll. It means nothing in my life at all. However if he will lie, then I have the right to print the truth. I don't need to make a youtube video rofl seriously. It serves his purpose to come out on the video and make himself a victim of big mean Navy. He has manipulated you all, and poorly I might add.

the entire point is not DADT thats what we are trying to make clear! he is manipulating the people who are trying to make DADT go away. He is shading the issue and trying to benefit from the current political struggles.

there is a burden of proof on you. You make accusations about Jarod and give no evidence other than your word. Man up and back up your accusations with evidence and a face.

A computer can have a voice as well, it doesn't make what comes out meaningful.

Without knowing who is saying something, what is said becomes meaningless.

Cats and dogs even have a basic understanding of this concept.

"He has been in the Navy just about 36 months."

only 36 months - that equates to 3 years in human years.

"He has been to CO's Mast once prior, which resulted in RIR (Reduction in Rate) and forfeiture of pay. This for underage drinking."

OMG! UNDERAGE DRINKING! You mean what just about every 18-20 year old college student does on any given saturday night? He should have been hanged, the dastardly fiend! So he is old enough to be on a Nuclear Sub which has the capacity of vaporizing a city and countless of lives but he isn't old enough to buy a beer? Pfffffttt make a real complaint, bub!

the point is he was already disciplinary problem and a bad sailor. Our military is upheld by a code of conduct which he neither respected nore followed quit trying to make it look like less when it is simple he refused to follow direct orders and is now trying to get attention for being gay

everyone has something on their record. i don't see how that relates to his discharge

the only discliplinary problem we have seen him accused here is a speeding ticket and underage drinking. Other than having a cell phone in a restricted area, these are hardly damnable offenses to warrant him being tossed out.

because in the military when a certain amount of bad reviews and trips to captains mast add up and then you go and disobey another direct order they tend to want to be done with you. When its your first infraction yes they just sanction you and let you stay in but this was far from his first.

maybe the navy does things differently but i'm just asking as a side note: doesn't smaller cases like underage drinking get cleared from your files after 6-12 month period depending on the offense? or is this just an army thing

Thank you. I totally agree.