N.J. Supreme Court's refusal to hear gay marriage case raises question of Christie's influence | NJ.com
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The New Jersey Supreme Court doesn't give interviews, so no one can ask whether the tribunal balked on the gay marriage issue because it was afraid of the reaction of Gov. Chris Christie.
"There won't be any comment," says Winnie Comfort, a spokeswoman for the court. "Of course, people are free to speculate. There is nothing we can do about that."
Comfort made the comments in response to remarks by legislators who raised the issue of whether the court — or, at least, three members — might have been afraid to touch the gay marriage case because Christie can remove them by appointing other justices. The way he did to Justice John Wallace, the court's only African-American.
Both state Sen. Raymond Lesniak (D-Union) and Assemblyman John D. McKeon (D-Essex) told The Star-Ledger's Matt Friedman the decision raised the question of whether Wallace's ouster led three non-permanent court members to duck the issue.
Those members — Chief Justice Stuart Rabner and Justices Roberto Rivera-Soto and Helen Hoens — voted against a motion to have the court immediately revisit its earlier decision in the Lewis vs. Harris case that, in 2006 ruled the Legislature must provide marriage-like rights to same-sex couples. The court then left the details up to lawmakers and they decided to create "civil unions" rather than extend marriages to gays and lesbians.
The three judges who don't have to worry about reappointment — Justices Virginia Long, Jaynee LaVecchia, and Barry Albin dissented from the order. They wanted arguments on the motion to go forward. Coincidence?
"I think the three justices who voted against the motion looked over their shoulders and saw Chris Christie," says Frank Askin, a Rutgers Law School professor and constitutional scholar in Newark. "There is no question in my mind that fear of what the Governor would do played a part in that decision."
Michael Drewniak, Christie's spokesman, declined to answer questions about the decision.
The state court action contrasts with the robust ruling handed down by federal Judge Vaughn Walker who overturned a California plebiscite — Proposition 8 — banning gay marriages. Forget worrying about a governor, Walker rejected the will of the state's voters because, he ruled, Proposition 8 "violates the due process and equal protection rights" of gays seeking to marry.
Walker's decision chews through the arguments of opponents of gay marriage, refuting contentions gay marriages are unstable and that children raised by gay parents do less well than kids from heterosexual households. He also makes it obvious supporters of Proposition 8 were trying to inject their religious views into law.
"The evidence presented at trial," Walker wrote, "fatally undermines the premises underlying proponents' proffered rationales for Proposition 8."
New Jersey once had a supreme court willing to render significant decisions. Under chiefs like Joseph Weintraub, Richard Hughes, Robert Wilentz, James Zazzali and Deborah Poritz, the state's highest court was a national leader in individual rights.
It is often in state courts that individual rights are most effectively protected. New Jersey's decisions on school funding and fair housing — also now endangered — went far beyond what the federal courts would do.
Even Walker's decision, for all the hype it has generated, could set back the cause. Rutgers Law Professor Carlos Bell, an expert on gay marriage, explains it could lead to an adverse decision by a conservative U.S. Supreme Court:
"That is why most of the other same-sex marriage lawsuits (including New Jersey's Lewis v. Harris) have been brought in state courts alleging violations of state constitutions. When a case is decided on state constitutional grounds, it cannot be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.
"It is likely the court will hear the Proposition 8 case. The upside for gay people of a favorable decision is tremendous: It would mean same-sex couples all over the country would have to be afforded the opportunity to marry. But the downside is also great: It would mean a Supreme Court decision, which would likely stay on the books for a long time, holding gay people are not entitled to marry under the federal constitution."
Maybe too much has been read into the state court action. Even Steve Goldstein, the chairman of Garden State Equality, the state's leading proponent of gay rights, says "it's not a dooms-day scenario — we'll get our day in court."
Perhaps. But a lot is at stake, and one has to wonder — do the three judges up for reappointment really think Christie will keep them no matter what they do?
This looks more like an opportunity to make history rather than curry favor.
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jubal
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I agree. Judges need to uphold equality and justice...not curry favor with right wing activist Governors.
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jubal
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ayipis
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"The court then left the details up to lawmakers and they decided to create "civil unions" rather than extend marriages to gays and lesbians."
please read and comprehend..
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ayipis
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toyotabedzrock
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ayipis:
Except the lawmakers didn't follow the original ruling.
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toyotabedzrock
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ayipis
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toyotabedzrock:
the PRESSURE the lawmakers..its easier to push politicians than those religious folks..without any pressure from the religious right ..these lawmakes has no choice but to mold that civil unions to suit the gay community. every anti-gay marriage people i asked..they dont care abot civil unions but they do treasure marriage because its a religious ceremony..its like part of mass..thats why most marriages are done in a church..
really....its easier and more beneficial to go after "civil unions"..at least the religious right is not going to fuck with it
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ayipis
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toyotabedzrock
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bc_f:
I live here! We have more rights than most states.
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toyotabedzrock
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oppressed1
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toyotabedzrock:
ya and are so far in debt that you're nearly bankrupt.
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oppressed1
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timetide
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Seriously? they are afraid of being replaced by a gov. so they rule how he see's fit? have they never heard of checks and balances.
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timetide
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toyotabedzrock
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timetide:
We have a Republican Governor now, so no he gets off on oppressing any type of minority he can find.
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toyotabedzrock
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oppressed1
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toyotabedzrock:
Its going to take a republican to save that shit hole across from NY.
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oppressed1
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common_sense_please
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First off --- this is news? OMG! the New Jersey court system and judges are all bought off and worry more about doing the will of the "governor" than upholding the law?
Dudes watch the Sopranos or The Godfather or even Goodfellas then come back on here and post this for what it really is....a movie review or a script preview for the next "big show" on HBO.
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common_sense_please
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vixxxen618
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Boy, that gives me confidence in our justice system! What a joke.
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vixxxen618
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cztheday
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vixxxen618:
Not to split hairs, vix, but this was New JERSEY'S justice system. Heh. Sorry, I have a hard time stringing those words together while keeping a straight face. Kinda like "living in Cleveland"
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cztheday
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KSirys
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Fucking assholes!! and they want people to follow the law when they themselves are playing with it.. FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!
EQUAL RIGHTS FOR EVERYONE YOU DUMB FUCKERS!!
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KSirys
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ayipis
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KSirys:
come on..all this profanity all this hatred..does it stop you from loving?? or do you need validation from these "dumb fuckers" to make it complete..
at this point really if they court is willing to discuss "civil unions" then why venture into marriage,,and VIOLATE someone's right to its own religions ceremony??
in this case..it would be the gay community that is rather bitter to go forward with this..
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ayipis
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KSirys
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ayipis:
uh, i'm not gay... and it doesn't stop me from doing what I want or need... I support equal rights for everyone, because WE ARE ALL EQUAL...
but my profanity and hatred here, allows me to do it here and not get arrested if and when I see these fuckers on the street... i said what I need to say and now I'm happy... =D
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KSirys
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ayipis
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KSirys:
I as well support the right for everybody to love whomever they want but living in a free society..i believe this would had been all over if the gay community would just stop forcing its way into marriage (which i believe is a religious themed ceremony) and go after "civil unions" ..you get all the benefits that comes along with marriage..and when it comes to "marriage" makes love much stronger..brother you are falling into that same organized religion crap..
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ayipis
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KSirys
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ayipis:
but why? again, your point that "marriage" should not be used because of religion is not enough. I don't recall Jesus talk about gays at all or maybe Moses did.. Do you? The word "marriage" doesn't belong to one group or religion, it belongs to everyone. Just like you're allowed to come here and use that avatar (even though is a racist one) everyone is allowed to use whatever you want.
The only reason people have a problem with the word, is because they are scared. They are scared of change and are racists... yes, I said it. If attacking the blacks, latinos or asians wasn't enough, now it's time to attack the gays. The cycle of hatred is always there for people that are scared of change....
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KSirys
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oppressed1
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KSirys:
you're one of the most hate filled individuals i have ever seen on a website. It is hard for you to get out of bed everyday?
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oppressed1
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KSirys
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oppressed1:
wow... you went to boarding school and talked about how you lived in the rich part of NY, but still can't write a simple sentence? lol... yes, I hate... I hate them all.... =D
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KSirys
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littlwarrior
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No court should be held responsible for the descion it makes to temporary politicians, there is a reason our founding fathers made it so very difficult to even attempt to remove a supreme court justice. The court must abstain from the ebb and wain of politics, they must be free of fears of removal, the must look at facts and facts alone. Those facts must never be that if i vote with my heart I will loose my job, i must instead hide.
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littlwarrior
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s_peak
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Yeah so the takeaway from this, for me, is that our lawmakers live in fear of losing their jobs (losing money) so they might just sacrifice elements of our constitutional rights in the name of this.
Fuck that. That makes me so angry. Fire all of them. Fuck the supreme court! You call that law!?! You should all be send to jail you greedy, superficial fucks.
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s_peak
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toyotabedzrock
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I think it's time we talk impeachment.
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toyotabedzrock
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JanforGore
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toyotabedzrock:
He thinks he's a little dictator, but what else would a Bush clone think of himself? I can't stand him.
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JanforGore
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ayipis
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toyotabedzrock:
good luck with that
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ayipis
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ayipis
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JanforGore:
you ask oliver stone to make an awareness movie..as al gore for tips..
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ayipis
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fun_size
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toyotabedzrock:
Christie is a terrible asshole of a Governor. Good luck!
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