Saudi Judge Mulls Spinal Paralysis Sentence

well i find that picture horrible terrible and just bad! it still made me giggle.

Indeed

You killed it with that peak oil talk.

ehh, I'd hope that they'd run out of oil suffer a of instability and out of the mess come out of it better than before. This would also create an oil crisis which would trigger the real development of sustainable energy.

How much is your petrol at the moment here in the uk its £1.20 per liter.

"...and no doctor can do something like this anyway they take an oath to do no harm!"

Yeah, that's why they help with lethal injections.

What do you know of the state of affairs in GB, with its capitulation to duality of British law and Sharia law, and the resulting wholesale flight of Brits from the festering violence where Muslims reside in numbers?

is thier really a strong orthodox community demanding beth din courts? i mean jews assimilated well into british society more than any other over the last century, so i dont really see a strong seperate jewish community existing in britain, especially with israel existing as an allie.
when jews want to live under justice system representative of jewish laws they go to israel.

by the way being jewish is a defacto state regardless of location.jidaism requires to land to be governed in that matter in order to live a jewish life.being jewish, is sharia in that we live it on our own.we dont need a jewish governmental body in order for us to live by jewish law.it is strictly a personal effort, as it has been for the last two thousand years.

WTF are you talking about?

1) This story isn't about Muslims in Britain or the U.S.

2) Look at a map. You say Britain has 1.5 million Muslims and we have 6 million, so we have more per square mile.

The UK is the size of Oregon. C'mon Son!

i think you are confusing communities for soviergnty.cuz nothing is required in order to observe the sabbath than the ability to rest.jews who are religious enough to desire to live only by juewish law, dont do anything on the sabbath.if the candle stick breaks you cant fix it until sundown saturday, thats how rediculously literal the religious take it.
what things in your mind is it that they are doing on the sabbath.being jewish i have wierd notions about what goes in church's from lack of experience, im just curious what you think we do as a matter of observing the sabbath, as an outsider looking in.

im for abolishing both as it is a threat to soveriegnty, and i dont think you would get resistance from the jews.but hey thats your backyard not mine

its not as simple as that, but you got the insanity of it down.but it also works too in a wierd way as a guide to truly rest.
what does the wire surrounding the community have to do with shabbat?

hey no fair we are like 12 times bigger

You win on both counts, my bad. I didn't read your being a brit till later.

''If we want to abolish these Sheria Courts then we must also abolish the Jewish Beth Din Courts''

This is nonsense. Decisions made in the Beth Din courts are not legally binding. The Jewish community recognises the law of the land. In contrast, Sharia court rulings have been given a legally binding status by the dhimmi British government and furthermore, Sharia law does not recognise the law of the host country anyway. This is stealth jihad and all part of the process to ensure eventual dominion over the land of the unbelievers. In other words, Islamic supremacism. The Jews have no intention of taking over the world and there is no such thing as Jewish supremacism. There is a world of difference here and you are just succumbing to the usual myopic moral equivalence that is rampant in our clueless society.

that is a matter of judaism functioning in your society then, not judaism as it is.
defining borders of eruv isnt something done in israel, the states, or really anyplace.

by the way if you have orthodox jews, who have done this i advice staying clear of them.those who view jewish law as literalism, tend to be on the fringe end, and not pleasant people.

it doesnt work that way, you are taking a fundamentalist minority perspective and applying it to the totality of jewish tradition.joseph lieberman (in case the name didnt give it away) is a conservative jew, and while campaigning for vice president didnt work on the sabbath.the white house was not an exception.if he was in a hotel in iowa at friday sunset, that is where he stayed until saturday sun down.

have you ever seen the movie "the frisco kid"?

"They have to conform with the culture of their new countries."

Yeah, well if you think so take a look at what's happening in some neighborhoods in London. Muslims are insisting on their own Sharia laws for Muslims (under threat) and the British government is allowing it. There are cities in America with high Muslim populations where it's coming to this.

The Muslim religion will not allow Muslims to live by any rules except those of the Koran.

But the one that is already here and attempting to rule the country based on its own theological principles that one is ok right. Cause it comes from our own history.

It is ours to mend or not, or would you just rather 'give up' and usher in even more chaos because we apparently lack the guts to overcome adversity?

it would seem that those would attempt to make the compromises neccessary to overcome the adversity are oposed at every step. The fundamentalist christians do not want diversity, they do not want anything but subservience to their way and their religion. just ask the pro lifers or the anti gay movement, they will not compramise. How I ask you do we fix what they do not want fixed? When every step of the way they attempt to change history and the facts to fit their needs and desires. What are we to do?

Bullshit there is no diversity in Islam, it is capitulate, become subservient or die.

Subservience to Christian principals is a personal choice, and a free one at that as well, as opposed to theocratic slavery as mandated by Islam Sharia.

Embrace your disingenuous nonsense if you will, I'm not be buying into any foolishness such as what you espouse.

does the identical same basis for law not only exist within judaism and christianity alike?

no

you know full well thier is a difference between muhamed ali,kareem abdul jabar, and osama bin laden.all muslums with the fundamnetalist element smaller that christianities.
right now muslums are invading europe right, but evangelicalism is finding a home thier now too,hmmmmm.
in africa islam is also spreading idemticaly as evangelicals are making moves also in africa.christianity still has a nice lock on south america though.a god sized statue of god is really as far as you can go with it.
in the middle east, fundamentalists are pushing thier will on the majority populous, while here christianity has that social role.i dont know what is worse thier fundamentalists do it in a theocratic society, or ours doing it in the face of democracy.

they at least then are only guilty of exploiting, and going with the social flow, we have ours going against democracy in favor of a theocracy, changing the nature of society to suit them.

so accepting jesus christ as your personal savior, while having your anus gaped with spiked metal is free choice?
on one hand i can give christianity a win in this colum. at least leaving the jew or muslum with theyre lives beats a "surprise your dead" method.
but also an arguement could be made that islams militance serves as a constant overt verbal warning, wich are both methods forcing faith, but islam offers a verbal warning instead of a trip to torture dungeons.gotta say i kind of prefer the islam method here, as the terms are layed out not manipulated.

jesus s ke-rhist, are you sane, how in the hell did you get to an anus to spiked metal as free choice and Christianity?... No, wait, I don't want to know.
I think you try way to hard to think "outside of the box."... to the point my friend that you are wa-ay beyond the ozone.

it wasnt just colorfull phrasing, it was one of torquemedas famous ways of forcing conversion.the wheel with the fire below was facied.and of coure the old standards of the rack, whipping, and just general abure, especialy on the conversos.

it was a four hundred year reign of torturing people into converting to christianity.apparently between 1400s and the 1800s thier was A LOT of room for forced, not free conversion to christianity.
it took christianity 1800 years to figure this out this is wrong, but in that time some of christianity found room to force convert just as some in islam found room for forced conversion.come to think of it, it was in the same period of growth christianity was,when it intstituted this as policy.

It is undoubtedly the root of the point you wish to make... and though I'm not aware even slightly of that which you refer, in reference to now, to the reality of now, how is that applicable?

you were differentiating islam from christianity by stating that, accepting christianity is a free personal choice, and not like the theocratic slavery that islam is.

im referencing four hundred years of identical theocratic slavery, in forced conversion carried out by christianity.today christ is a free personl choice (wich a lot on that side of the aisle are working to change) but within christianity, four hundred years of horror based in the same endevour as jihad shows it isnt exclusive.
christianity shares the same idealogical questions coming into collective discussion at the same point in history.aparently a religion turns sweet 1400 and its all about my way or the highway.not unique to christianity, or islam, and im damn sure the jews had a hell of a time, being the chosen ones, the keeper of the word.
maybe 1400 years old in idealogy ages is like being a teen who can do what ever it wants cuz it knows everything, and is indestructable.
we are all human being and subject everything equaly.we all have our prophets, and our martyrs and folk heros.we are also equaly subject to being exploited by our ability to devotion based on only faith.

kick a puppy in the face, no.kick a puppy in the face cuz that is what god wants viola to the faith full.we all have our crazy fucks, no religion has a security mechanism for such a thing.

I do not accept that "perceptive analysis" as coherently valid... no matter the source.

i can respect selctive acceptance of viable information, nothing wrong with that.if not we would all thing elvis is still alive in oregon cuz he is an alien.
is the inquasition in question for you? that it happened?

Don't be disingenuously presumptuous... selective about information?... like you are not?
I do know the purpose of the inquisition, was that a cause that did not have reason?... America's cause in the Barbery (Tripoli Wars) did it not also have reason and purpose?
No question in my mind.
.. so, what's your point?

Personal choice my ass how many christians have advocated for the imprisonment and even execution of gays? what about the prohibition movement? Blue light laws? Hell even drug laws can be traced back to this "moral majority" of christian wack jobs forcing their beleifs on others.

Oh really! well how about the liberal agenda being shoved down out throats now? Both sides are equally bad! I am neither a Christian or a liberal or any other label you might put on me,just a true American Patriot fighting to save this nation from the Muslim Horde and from anyone who'd force their world view on me! The liberal PC crowd,and the extreme right wing Christians together, have ruined this country! I stand with those caught in the middle who just want the right of self determination,within legal reason,without interference from either extreme! Islam is the enemy of that right,and the crimes committed in the name of Allah disgust me! Islam represents a clear danger to our way of life and must be opposed! I believe in full equality for every American gay or not! What you do behind closed doors is nobody's business but your own! Can't speak for ahiguy but if he opposes Islam he is ok by me after we get rid of Islam then we'll sort out the rest!

So then you are advocating the extermination of a people based on their religious beleifs? You want to "get rid of islam" simply because they beleive differntly. I by no means advocate the enforcement of islamic law in any place in any way. I beleive that the most fundametal pilliar of liberty is the seperation of church and state, without that seperation there can be no self determination. And what liberal agenda is being forced down anyones throat? Really give me examples, because the only major peices of the liberal agenda i see would only actually affect the people advocatin for this change though they will tell you differently.

... and you believe that atheists and agnostics are blameless in persecuting people and issues that you mentioned and it is all the fault of Christians?
Oh how simple.

Why yes it is the fault of this moral majority. and you give me one example of Atheistis and agnostics persecuting people, just one.

im only presumptious in assuming that religious aging, just as human aging has stages.wich i hardly present as fact, plauseable or even probable but not gospel.

you werent seeing the parables between contemperary jihad, and the inquasition wich is why i asked, and if you dont know the purpose of the inquasition it makes sense that you wouldnt agree.

the purpose of the inquasition was to destroy islam (after the crusades had failed and embarassed christianity multiple times) and do away with the only other religious authority on monothiesm the jews.the inquasition was a european attempt of sole ownership of monothiesm, identical to the jihadists.the inquasition was four hundred years of nations, directed by the church, torturing any and all non christians until they converted to christianity and gave up thier given faith.
in the end, it is identical behavior born of identical motives.
accept jesus christ as your personal lord and savior under threat of severe punshment
accept islam as supreme and submit to allah under threat of severe punishment

islam and judaism are the enemy of christianity in the inquasition
judaism and christianity are the enemy of the jihadist

the whole point of all of this is your notion that christianity is an individual free choice, as where islam is not, is based soley on a limited contemperary view.with in a free society christianity is a free choice, while with in a theocracy christianity was forced.islam is currently the religion of theocratic states, with the same result.here in america, in a free society, islam has been kicking around, and is the 2nd largest religion in our country behind christianity with no forced conversions.
if it is the words in the book that cuase this malevolent forced conversion, the quran is guilty today of what christianity was guilty of yesterday, and despite us not having records of it im sure judaism was guilty of it before that.

this freedom of choice in christianity is a relatively new element, as well as contemperary jihad, niether of wich depict the character of thier respective faiths acurately, just how they function with in given circumstances, at given times.if islam is evil for this, christianity shares that evil identicaly.

Obama,the Muslim In Chief,is forcing his agenda down our throats! For instance over 70% of Americans oppose his health care reform,but does he care what we think? no way! Let me ask you a question: Can't you spell? found 9 typos in your response! Obama's agenda isn't America's agenda but boy can he and his wife spend our tax dollars! 3 vacations in one summer! her trip to Spain cost us 75K a day! Can't stand Obama he has broken more campaign promises then any before and he shouldn't even be in office! He was born not in the US,but in Kenya,which is own wife and grandmother have admitted to in public! Only someone born of two American citizens,within the United States can be President,that is the law! He was born a Muslim and attended Muslim Schools in Indonesia! His whole certificate of live birth is a thing is a scam, as a certificate of live birth doesn't carry the same legal weight as a birth certificate does! He is selling us out to Islam by abolishing all Immigration quotas for his people,while tightening those quotas for everyone else,even those from the EU! He not only needs to be kicked out of office because he doesn't meet the legal standards to be President,but to be tried for TREASON as well for giving aid and comfort to our enemy in time of war,and allowing Muslims to occupy positions of authority,including his chief of staff! You liberals couldn't come up with an American to run so you come up with this con on the real Americans! Well come November we'll have change we can believe in and he will lose control of both houses of congress! say goodbye to the liberal,anti American agenda and lets hope the first order of business is to remove him from office and put him on trial! [before you call me a racist,this has nothing to do with skin color, it has everything to do with his anti American pro Islam policies, and his shoving laws down our throats that the voters clearly oppose!]

liberal agenda is an oxymoron.

answer no I can't. and the fact that you are a birther and believe Obama is a Muslim to me invalidates anything that you might say so I am out. If you cannot look with your own two eyes and see past faux news bullshit and all their happy little friends then I’m sorry but you’re not even worth the time its taking me to type this. Take this challenge, learn something today that has nothing to do with hate, try the discovery channel, then from now on every day educate yourself on something completely independent of politics. Once you get used to spotting total bullshit in a place that you can prove easily one way or the other, then come back to politics and you may see the world in a totally different light. Till then ta.

no one is blameless in persecution, regardless of affiliation.it is a human behavior inherant in the condition that no grouping of people have escaped being guilty of.

a big difference though is athiest and agnostics dont work as a collective, presently or historicaly.they have always been subject to the ruling class wich has always percieved them as an enemy.wether it was the islamic intilectuals who were slaughtered in favor of the zealots, or christianities killing and opression of scientists like davinci and galaleo, or judaisms refusal to accept any other law other than gods.even hitler who was working of some random hodgepodge of idealogies executed intilectuals.

athiest and agnostics dont get to be blamed at the same level as religions as they have yet to have society functioning under its beliefs to evaluate.for every athiestic or agnostic instance of persecution of the religious, exists thousands of examples of religious persecution of them.

can you cite the examples of religious communities being persecuted by athiests, at a level even close to how religious communities persecute athiests?

I'm no Birther not by a long shot! But Obama is the biggest phony to ever come down the pike and after November he'll get his due believe that!

Advocating the extermination of people for their religious beliefs? - Not at all.
I am for the extermination of Islams influence, just as secularists are so readily willing to remove Christianity's influence.
To say there is no difference is absurd.

Well we can agree that islam should have no influence in government. Personally I feel there should be no religion in government. None. There can be no liberty without seperation of church and state. I beleive it was jefferson who said "the preist has been the enemy of liberty in every place and every age."

Are you of the belief that only Christians have issues about various moral and ethical issues and atheists and agnostics do not?... that is absurd.

There must be some level of morality in every government, that morality cannot be dicated by the church, any church. religion is too volatile and far too often people in the same church cannot agree on what doctrine to follow. Also religion dictates a specific lifestyle, the key is to keep the church out of state but allow some of the morals of the individuals of the church to partake in guidence but useing the argument of god says can never fly in a government body. Nations cannot be ruled by religion, when they are it leads to a very dark place. Look at the spanish inquisition, or the puritain take over of england. Look to mulsim countries of today to see just how bad of an idea "moral authrity" is.