Scientists: Triceratops May Not Have Existed
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Scientists: Triceratops May Not Have ExistedThe classic image of a Triceratops is on the left. On the right is the new face of Triceratops, previously called Torosaurus. (Artwork by Holly Woodward, MSU graduate student).
(Credit: Holly Woodward/Montana State University)
If we could go back and poll the generations of school children who have visited museums of natural history around the country, I'd wager that the Triceratops ranked among the most popular of all their dinosaur exhibits. But could it be that the Triceratops was not really the Triceratops after all?
I know - next they'll tell us there's no Santa Claus. But Paleontologists at the Montana State University argue that the Triceratops and his kissing cousin, the Torosaurus, were actually the same dinosaur at different stages of growth. Their findings, published in the Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, say that this case of mistaken prehistoric identity is quite understandable, given that the skulls of young dinosaurs underwent extensive changes as the animals got older.
"Paleontologists are at a disadvantage because we can't go out into the field and observe a living Triceratops grow up from a baby to an adult," John Scannella, one of the co-authors of the study told the Montana State University news service. "We have to put together the story based on fossils. In order to get the complete story, you need to have a large sample of fossils from many individuals representing different growth stages."
He said that paleontologists were at a disadvantage because of the obvious of any living Triceratops to observe as it grows from a baby into an adult. "We have to put together the story based on fossils. In order to get the complete story, you need to have a large sample of fossils from many individuals representing different growth stages," he said.
Scanella and co-author Jack Horner examined over 50 Triceratops specimens found in the continental United States and their findings upset more than a century of paleontological assumptions. New Scientist, which goes into this controversy in more depth, offers a good plausible explanation, noting that the Triceratops "had three facial horns and a short, thick neck-frill with a saw-toothed edge. Torosaurus also had three horns, though at different angles, and a much longer, thinner, smooth-edged frill with two large holes in it. So it's not surprising that Othniel Marsh, who discovered both in the late 1800s, considered them to be separate species."
This shape-shifting also has implications for the amount of bio-diversity found within the dinosaur populations near the end of the Cretaceous Period and Mesozoic Era, according to Scanella and Horner. "A major decline in diversity may have put the dinosaurs in a vulnerable state at the time when the large meteor struck the Earth at the end of the Cretaceous Period," Scannella said in his interview. "It may have been the combination of the two factors -- lower diversity and a major global catastrophe -- that resulted in the extinction of all the non-avian dinosaurs."
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dariusvons
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what? a different stage of devo doesn't mean the animal never existed. this title is a farse.
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dariusvons
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finitecomedy
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Folks, the triceratops name will continue. We explained this story several weeks ago because people have been quite confused about what is really going on.
http://current.com/groups/earth-and-science/92596532_the-triceratops-controversy...
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finitecomedy
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CalPal
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finitecomedy:
Oh thank god, I was about to s**t buckets there for a second...
My childhood still partially lives on!!
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CalPal
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finitecomedy
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CalPal:
No problem.
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finitecomedy
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finitecomedy
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alexandrek:
We didn't fake it, but thanks.
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finitecomedy
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DefKid
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Sh*t...now I have too get rid of that " My other car is a triceratops!" bumper sticker ;(
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DefKid
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sidewaysclyde
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Say it ain't so!
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sidewaysclyde
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CalgarC
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but they spoke of it in the bible rofl...
we are finally moving forward
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CalgarC
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thetrimsmith
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I am pleased when science trumps itself, that means we are moving foward. Remember when it was accepted that the moon was cheese, disease was God's judgement, it was unheathy to take too many baths, Earth was the center of the Solar System? All later proven wrong. Keep marching, look back at our mis-interpretations with fondness.
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thetrimsmith
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teenelizabeth
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So first, they tell us Pluto isn't a planet, and now the Triceratops isn't a dinosaur. Apparently, everything I learned in elementary school was a lie.
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controlusplease
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Don't you FUCKING tell me my favorite dinosaur doesn't exist!
First, my parents tell me there's no tooth fairy, no easter bunny, no Santa Claus, no Lochness monster, no Man Bear Big...
And here I am, all grow up, a shell of the joyful, trusting child I was, thinking I'm safe cause the only thing I got going for me is the Triceratops, AND NOW IT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST! Next thing you know, the badass raptors from jurassic Park will have feathers on them!Don't take this away from me man... please!
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controlusplease
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wellhunggimp
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So, The Land Before TIme was fake? :(...
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wellhunggimp
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NorwegianHammer
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wellhunggimp:
yes and we all came from adam n eve....
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NorwegianHammer
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CalgarC
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NorwegianHammer:
yeh... horny couple right
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CalgarC
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humanling
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some truths are better left unsaid
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humanling
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humanling
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thanks for ruining my childhood
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humanling
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noirees
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exclusive news post for ross from friends?
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noirees
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SarahAna
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Happens all the time
http://www.nataliedee.com/011610/poor-brontosaurus.jpg - 2 years ago
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SarahAna:
His head is wrong ! Apatosaures is flawed! ( Dinosaur Valley State Park,.....they have a "correction placard posted,.........sooo sad ! )
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mr_tibbles
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NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
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remanns
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I refuse to accept this.
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mitekillem
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"Mega-Tee, Mega-Tor, Mega-Tu. ...and every time that finger clicks, it's $5.99 to you. "
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EmperorThan
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I remember reading this story last year too about it:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091031002314.htm
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EmperorThan:
The full-grown adult is smiling, while the kid and teen are frowning.
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UtopianSky:
I just lol'd when I read that and looked at the picture.
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ahappymintleaf
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as long as they keep the triceratops name i'm down
they already took pluto how much more will science put us through - 2 years ago
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ahappymintleaf:
Hah! Sadly true. I'm with you.
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alexandrek:
Me too! Dwarf planet my a**!
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