Ron Paul on Ground Zero Mosque Demagogy

FINALLY!!! Someone makes a post regarding how our whole economy is falling apart and all our politicians are doing is talking stupid shit about this mosque thing...+^d

you've got to be an MSNBC drone to actually say that "all our politicians are doing is talking stupid shit about this mosque". Pay attention to the news, and you'll hear them also talking about Obama's failed healthcare plans, his disastrous economic plans, his horrendous ideas about energy, his inability to work more than a few weeks without a vacation.

Obama is the biggest jerk-off president we've ever had. The Masturbator in Chief. Nothing more.

You have me confused with someone else, pal. While you and I may not agree on many an issue, all you have to do is look at my posts (and I have made plenty) to see where I am coming from. Don't jump to conclusions without doing your homework first.

so it's ok to speak your mind, as long as the viewpoint matches yours, but otherwise shut the fuck up and stop being a traitor?

I think you have summed up galwaymans position pretty well.

Yay, someone else sees the light.

He's a dipshit. I agree.

Nowhere in his post did he say that RPaul should shut up. He just said he's a traitor.

We want traitors to speak loudly and often. It helps know who they are.

If Obama had spoken the truth about what he thought, he would never have been elected.

Enlighten me, chief...what makes Ron Paul a traitor?

In his mind he is a traitor because he wants to STRICTLY follow the constitution. This would of course put an end to Wars for profit and sweet heart deals for firms like Black Water, Haliburton, & KBR. In the mind of Neo_Con_Artists he MUST be stopped at all cost.

no where in the constitution does it enshrine the right to build a religious building ANYWHERE you want. In fact, you can't build ANYTHING within incorporated city limits without getting permission, which should indicate that building a church, etc is a privelege, not a right.

I know the city already gave them permission, so they have "authorization", permission, to build. I haven't heard of anyone saying that the government should use its power to stop that. They are protesting the total lack of respect for what is perceived as hallowed ground to build a Mosque on the spot where Muslims murdered Americans in the name of Islam.

I guess you'd be fine if the KKK built a massive "cultural center" right on Wounded Knee to celebrate White Dominance, right?

"it seems no matter who you put in for office nothing ever changes"

you get what you pay for so to speak. we in america constantly vote in candidates based on their likeliness to beat the other guy rather than any type of actual policy. that's why nothing changes: we won't.

down with the IRS sounds like a very damn intelligent statement to me. only morons would want a 3rd party to come in and take money they have no legitimate natural claim to. the fruit of my labor is mine and mine alone. IRS is slavery, theft, etc. the taxes you pay to the IRS do nothing but fund the international bankers. not one red cent goes to pay the essential services you think it does. income tax pays for bureaucracy, bureaucratic waste, and the INTEREST on the 'loans' made from the federal reserve. in layman's terms, it goes into the pockets of the international bankers. ron paul sounds pretty smart to me once you know where the money goes. follow the money.

Yep...every racket leaves a paper trail. +^d

Do you like paved roads? How about the ability to read and write, since only about 10% of the nation can afford private school, we can probably assume you went to a public one. Ya thats the federal government. How about if you have no money or insurance and go to the hospital the have to treat you what do you think pays for that? What about the freeway, Bridges? Even most street cleaners are subsidezed by the feds. Umm lets see colleges, shcolarships, hmm what else, oh out military, I bet you like not being a nazi or a commi, monitering trade and the sale of goods, it is kind of nice that there is someone who makes sure that you doctors degree is legit and that the drugs he gives you actually do what they say they do. Or at least more so then those "tonics" from back in the day that were pretty much just heroine to make you feel better. What else, oh I bet you like the fact that there are cops, they dont always do whats right but they are better than nothing at all. National guard to help in times of crisis. Im not saying that the money they spend is the perfect way to spend but I am saying without it life would get alot more difficult.

Lots of assumptions in your comment--primarily that government is the sole provider of all the wonderful things you enumerate (but poorly spell and grammatically construct). What's to say that all of these things could not happen in the hands of private ownership and voluntary transactions?

you wana be the grammar nazi your barkin up the wrong tree, I have spoke and written like a hic from the stics since I was knee high to a grasshopper. Do I know how to do it right, yes. Do I care? not really. Private companies? ya those worked out great, look at private prisions, and why would a private comapany build a road, or a bridge, because somone paid them, and who pays them oh thats right the government, and who pays the government us with taxes, or do you genuinly belevie they will do it out of the goodness of their own hearts?

You're the one who brought education into the mix--not me. And people in government do it out of the goodness of their own hearts?

no government does it because if they didnt there would be hell on earth, roads start falling apart, damns start breaking, whichever party is in power will start to suffer. That is not to say that they do a good job of it but I have not faith that a priviate coporation would do any better. We could give all that power to the states but then they will just raise taxes so you dont notice the difference, although it might make corruption more manageable.

since you apparently didn't understand my statement that your taxes don't go to pay the essential services you think it does let me provide a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grace_Commission#The_report

and the relevant quote:

The report said that one-third of all income taxes is consumed by waste and inefficiency in the federal government, and another one-third escapes collection owing to the underground economy. “With two thirds of everyone’s personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the federal debt and by federal government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services [that] taxpayers expect from their government."

now, i think the real question is -- do you like having your hard earned money stolen from you and do you like funding the lavish lifestyles of the international bankers? income tax is theft, plain and simple. once you find out where the money goes it doesn't seem so great does it?

The idea of keeping power in the hands of the states does seem more in the spirit of our Constitution. The framers believed that power needs to remain close to the people who put politicians in office in order to serve as a check against the corruption that you describe...similarly, if some of the things you mention were left in the hands of private corporations, these corporations would simply go out of business because nobody would pay them if they did as shitty a job as our government does.

giving the power to states would bring power closer to the people but it would make us weaker as a country on the international scene because we would be less in sync with each other. However there are pros and cons to ever situation. All im saying is taking away taxes is not the answer. The answer is to get a handle on out government and this era of horrid irresponsibility started with Bush, and Obama is just truckin right along. When Clinton left office we had money in the bank, we were not borrowing we were paying money back. Now were in over our heads with no way out. Our governemnt needs an overhaul and we need to make this demand as one. I had hopes for the tea party at the begining, but they failed. What we really need is a party that is for social progression and fiscal responsibility, I think if such a party came to be they might just be the ones to take some real power in this country.

So the money is spent poorly, we have established that our govenrment cannot seem to balance a check book. so instead of sayng stop taxing why dont we instead say start spending our money wisley or we are just going to walk right over the top of you. What we need at this point is a viable alternative, that is fisaclly responsible and socially forward. I think the country will suprise us and flock to such a party, from both sides, and the fringe will still be loud but the numbers will rest in the middle.

i think you're missing the point. the money isn't being spent poorly, it's being stolen. when i exchange my time and effort with someone to do something for them they couldn't do themselves for 'money' (a mutual exchange) and then an uninvolved 3rd party demands a cut of that exchange--that sounds like a shakedown to me. that sounds like mafia tactics. it implies that the 3rd party owns a piece of your life and labor. if you want to work to make a living you have to pay a fee. doesn't sound like freedom to me.

income tax is nothing more than theft. the theft of which goes straight to the pockets of the international bankers. so not only do the bankers steal your money through income tax but they also take more of your wealth through the process of inflation. it's all nothing more than a racket meant to keep everyone else poor while enriching a small group of people.

and i'm not saying get rid of all taxes. the govt. has to be funded somehow. there are many other taxes besides income taxes. income tax was never intended in the original Constitution. it was only later amended (with some controversy) in the same year the federal reserve was unconstitutionally created by congress. coincidence? anyway, the govt. if rightfully constrained to the Constitution would be sufficiently small and sufficiently funded by the original Constitutional taxes. the federal reserve and the income tax is what allows our govt. to spend our money so unwisely. it's the biggest swindle in the history of mankind.

Taxpayers do have standing to challenge Congressional spending on Establishment Clause grounds. I wonder if there's a good record of such challenges being kept. I imagine that the athiests/humanists have done so. Perhaps you should ask someone like Unimatrix whether such a record exists.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe this is just good politics? Look these people hate america, and some with good reason, but others have just been fed this dogma from birth. All they hear about is the US conquering muslim nations, violating their religious laws, on and on lots of noise for local imams to gain power. But now are fighting back by fixing their local mosque, somewhere they have been going to once twice a week all their lives, they love this place and they have been watching it crumble and now those "evil" Americans come in and fix their place of worship, and not just their but hundreds of others. Its hearts and minds man, hearts and minds. Islam is not the enemy ignorance is.

You and I both agree that Tax money should NOT be going to rebuild Mosques. The reason you are a hypocrite on this issue is you would be doing back flips if the $$$ were going to build Synagogues in the OCCUPIED TERRITORIES. This would be an equally appalling waste of taxpayer money!

I believe that it is a BAD idea to build a Muslim center that close to ground zero for image reasons, (the Muslims certainly have an Image problem right now), But I do believe that they have the Right to do so, no matter what anyone says or thinks about it.

Let's be clear, first I never mentioned anyone's "right" to build or believe or worship.

However, no one has a "right" to build anything in any location. The local government gives a PERMIT to build, if they approve it. Hence, let's be sure we are clear that there is NO RIGHT to build a church in any location, or a temple, or a mosque.

In this case, the local zoning authorities gave them PERMISSION to build.

They therefore have the LEGAL AUTHORIZATION to build. Fine, I never argued that.

But there is no doubt about what the intent is, and those Muslims who are truly moderate, who want to live in peace here, need to understand that this IS a provocation, and it will backfire on ALL Muslims in the USA.

I don't want there to be violence, but Americans will only tolerate so many attacks, and so much provocation, before they will begin to fight back. It's already begun.

You NEVER miss a YouTube propaganda moment.

then don't convert to islam

problem solved

Congressman Paul is far from perfect, but he has Obambi beat by a country mile. I mean the @$$ campaigns against the Patriot Act then supports it's extension once elected.

meh. i like publicly funded programs, like schools, police, fire departments, roads, the post office, national parks, the military, etc. i'm kinda used to having em around.

I think the ONLY thing on your list that you and Dr. Paul might have a disagreement on would be Federal funding of LOCAL school's. Dr. Paul believes in Public Schools he and all of his kids went to them. He just thinks they should be funded locally.

WOW, I Totally agree with that. What a rare day indeed. :))

strong words. ( shit. )

There is no such thing as a perfect Politician. I think Dr. Paul is about as close to an ideal Citizen Statesman as the country now has.

Rand is merely speaking his opinion.

I don't think many are arguing the government should step in and put a stop to the building. Most people are just saying it is insensitive and would be better suited at another location. I don't see a problem with that.

So let me get this straight...
Paul thinks private business should have the right to tell black people they won't serve their kind. But Muslims should think long and hard about where they build a community center because Americans won't like it.

It seems like he is fine with upsetting anyone darker than a brown paper-bag.
But if it bothers anyone of the caucasian persuasion he will speak up for them.

Thanks for throwing in another political red herring into what is already a pretty big one. That's, at least, what Ron was attempting to communicate.

News flash: Dow down another 130. Unemployment still way up. Two illegal and immoral wars being fought. Torture. Denial of Habeas Corpus. Civil liberties still at risk. Government still way out of control.

But if that floats your boat...

Two "Illegal Wars", I agree. Did you know that the last "Combat" troops left Iraq a couple days ago. Only Rachel Maddow covered it live. Seems in reference to the "Illegal Wars" that he was dumped with he is at least, though a little late to some, starting to show progress on the "Illegal Wars". Government Always moves slowly, one Both sides.

Really ?. .

You post a story on how the Great Ron Paul is exposing neo-Conservatives & Liberals for "demagoguery / and giving lip service to property rights & religious freedom"

But when i point out that his T-Bagging Son is guilty of Demagoguery it's a red herring?
Since R&R Paul are the only 2 Libertarians i know, i think i just proved that half of your party leadership is guilty of demagoguery.
And the other half is blaming everyone except his own bouncing baby boy.

No...a red herring within a red herring. This whole mosque thing is a non-issue. America has more important things to worry about. Is that not what the whole "fiddling while Rome burns" comment was about?

I don't give a shit who gets our troops out of Iraq so long as they come home. We had no business going in there in the first place. However the term "combat" troops has a strange euphemistic ring to it. Are not private defense contractors and paid Iraqi troops not "combat" troops as well?

Am i only to discuss the part of your post you want to discuss?

video title
- - - Ron Paul Slams WTC Mosque Protesters - - -
your HEADLINE
- - - Ron Paul on Ground Zero Mosque Demagogy - - -

my DISCLAIMER
- - - Do not mention Rand Paul & his Ground Zero Mosque Demagogy - - -

your reply
- - The whole mosque thing is a non issue - -
WTF?

As I said before, whatever floats your boat. However, it's still a non-issue.

Agreed, we had no business going there in the first place.

The interesting thing about this whole mosque thing is how a number of people have their panties in a bunch over the building of a mosque (actually a community center) near ground zero while we have built, in Iraq, a permanent stronghold larger than Vatican City right in downtown Baghdad--which could be equated to similarly prime real estate in downtown Manhattan. I'm sure that the people of Baghdad have similar feelings...

As i said - - YOUR "Ground Zero Demagogy" Headline
& YOUR "islamophobia" video suggest that is the issue of this post.

Agreed again. :)

Can we not agree that politicians, and their corporate news counterparts, are making far too big a deal about this? For crying out loud, there are so many more important issues that this story is crowding out.

Yes, Rand Paul is one of those politicians talking crazy shit about this whole mosque thing. Yes, Rand Paul could learn a thing or two from his dad. Are you happy now?

Hell, I know we don't see eye to eye on many things. However, grandstanding over a mosque or community center is not going to add any jobs, get anyone any better healthcare, restore civil liberties or rein in the military industrial complex.

And those issues, in my opinion, are a little more important than talking smack about politicians talking smack.

Agreed, there are more important things than talking smack about politicians talking smack. But that is kinda Ron Pauls opening pitch for any given issue.
he talks smack about whatever smack the R's & D's are talking smack about, then he segways into his message.
I just thought it was interesting how his son was immune from the Ron Paul Smack Down.

You are seriously my new best friend.

If that's the way to get the message that people have choices other than the lesser of two evils, then so be it...

Personally, I wish that the media would present the opinions of Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney and other third-party platforms along with Ron Paul's views. In this age of information, it is a true shame that only two partisan ideologies are represented in the public discourse shaped by our corporate press.

Although a libertarian, Ron chooses to work within the Republican party in order to get his message out there because nobody would pay him one minute of attention if he switched to the Libertarian Party. That's just the way the two-party system, and the media who support it, works.

And I can't wait for the moment, and that moment will come, when Ron lays the smack down on Rand. You can rest assured on that. Rand has many differing views than his dad and a really bad way of articulating those views.

Interesting comment.

Look who is spewing hate and violence...

"go fuck yourselves muslims, you idolize a rapist/murderer/theif/pedophile"

Cause I'm sure no Christians are pedophiles/rapists/murderers/thieves. You're no better than the people you bitch about.

Go in peace... and keep hating. YOU are the reason I am embarrassed by my country.

I'm with ya vixxxen, we're all individuals, people need to stop collectivizing and see us all as different individuals with different goals. The stereotypes only perpetuate racism, which will eventually lead to government "doing something" about it which will obviously lead to a reduction in freedom.

once again harping on christians while blindly ignoring facts, thanks atypical current user. you're one of the reasons your country is failing

Ha, well, it seems JJammer is here in spirit.

While I think I understand the sentiment in this very crude remark, it being there is an expectation for violence against Muslims that they will in turn use to serve their agenda. This is faulty for a couple of reasons.

You acknowledge that there is a possibility for hate crimes to happen, which pretty much affirms the obvious prejudice that is coloring this alleged controversy, yet blame the Muslims for that possibility of happening on what basis? Being Muslim? Wanting to build something on their property? Enjoying rights as Americans? Yeah, that's really putting yourself in the line of fire...

Secondly, the idea that 'muslims are setting themselves up for hate crimes' is pretty bigoted in itself as there is an assumption that every Muslim is prepared for some type of martyrdom, which, of course, is a ridiculous assertion.

It's pretty obvious to me what 'card' you are trying to play.

can you please expand upon what you mean? I would hate to attack you for saying something you did not mean to say.

How was Rand wrong?

Muslims need to understand how sensitive the issue is to most Americans. Instead of trying to understand concerns of those who oppose the mosque they say we are building it no matter what. Not what you want to do.

You cannot get ride of all religion Bro. unless we are talking about neural implants be they mechanical or biological. But it would be easier to just make sure the population is well educated. In most of Europe, churches and other religious institutions go empty on “Holy” days. Even in heavily Muslim areas, where attendance is good, the first domestically born generation likes Turkish style secular government even if Islam is the overwhelmingly largest religion.
We can release the people from the strangle hold of religious totalitarianism, and education is the best tool for the job.
In the mean time I think humorous ridicule of religious leaders does the best job at running off their followers. No one wants to be friends with the town fool.

your a faggot who probably fucks yourself..you hate on muslims because your an ignorant piece..its sad you hate obama and have to deal with muslims all over the place haha fucking retard you sound like a dumb ruesky

So you think Christianity is ok? How about Judaism?

tis a sad state of the world unfortunately

you obviously have no leg to stand on which is why you're personally attacking me. read the koran and hadith a few times, study the religions, realize how uninformed you are, then get back to me k thnx bai

and i never mentioned obama in my post...thanks for jumping to that conclusion

well fundamentally they are opposites, i'd rather have a true religion of peace over the violent teachings of islam

christianity has been so bastardized by humans its in a sad state and for the most part not practiced as its preached/written/supposed to be followed. judaism decided not to follow their own books so i don't particularly care for them either

That's what I thought. Bigot.

if you'd rather be murdered for not converting to islam be my guest. i'd rather have forgiveness and all that jazz instead

You obviously don't know much about the history of Christianity. But keep vomiting up your bullshit. Maybe some idiot will take you seriously.

i seen your profile mayne..

"christianity has been so bastardized by humans its in a sad state and for the most part not practiced as its preached/written/supposed to be followed. "

you obviously don't fully read comments before replying...next...

nothing in my profile states my political biases...

"i'd rather have a true religion of peace over the violent teachings of islam"

I think I got your point. Christianity = true religion of peace

I can find just as many violent references and commands from god to slay the innocent and degrade women in your book of "the true religion of peace" as I can in "the violent teachings of Islam" so really, it all depends on the person interpreting the religion now doesn't it...

You obviously choose to see what you want to see. next...

The Inquisition (Let's begin)
The Inquisition (Look out sin)
We have a mission to convert the Jews (Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew)
We're gonna teach them wrong from right.
We're gonna help them see the light
and make an offer that they can't refuse. (That those Jews just can't refuse)
Confess, don't be boring.
Say yes, don't be dull.
A fact you're ignoring:
It's better to lose your skull cap than your skull (or your govalt!)
The Inquisition (what a show)
The Inquistion (here we go)
We know you're wishin' that we'd go away.
But the Inquisition's here and it's here to stay!

"I was sitting in a temple. I was minding my own business.
I was listening to a lovely Hebrew mass.
Then these Papus persons plungered and they throw me in a dungeon and they shove a red hot poker up my ass.
Is that considerate? Is that polite?
And not a tube of Preperation H in sight!"

"I'm sittin' flickin' chickens and I'm lookin' throught the pickins' and suddenly thes goyim pull down valls.
I didn't even know them and they grabbed my by the stoghum and started playing ping pong with my balls!
Ooh, the agony! Ooh, the shame!
To make my privates public for a game?"

The Inquisition (what a show)
The Inquisition (here we go)
We know you're wishin' that we'd go away.
But the Inquisition's here and it's here to-
"Hey Toquemada, walk this way."
"I just got back from the Auto-de-fe."
"Auto-de-fe? What's an Auto-de-fe?"
"It's what you oughtn't to do but you do anyway."
Will you convert? "No, no, no, no."
Will you confess? "No, no, no, no."
Will you revert? "No, no, no, no."
Will you say yes? "No, no, no, no!"
Now I asked in a nice way, I said, "Pretty please."
I bent their ears, now I'll work on their knees!
"Hey Toquemada, walk this way. We got a little game that you might wanna play, so pull that handle, try you're luck."
"Who knows, Toq, you might win a buck!"

"How we doin', any converts today?"
"Not a one, nay, nay, nay."
"We flattened their fingers, we branded their buns!
Nothing is working! Send in the nuns!"

The Inquisition, what a show.
The Inquisition, here we go.
We know you're wishin' that we'd go away!
So all you Muslims and you Jews
We got big news for all of yous:
You'd better change your point of views TODAY!
'Cause the Inquisition's here and it's here to stay!

LMFAO!!!!

words spoken by the sickest dude on this site in the history of this site.

"christianity has been so bastardized by humans its in a sad state and for the most part NOT practiced as it's PREACHED/WRITTEN/SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWED"

are you so blind that i have to quote the same thing twice to you stating the same point you are trying to make. there, i even added highlights.

the fact that you said this "You obviously choose to see what you want to see" is so ironic a child could see it. read the book for yourself, see what it says about how its followers are supposed to behave. instead of finding out for yourself i'd almost bet money you're one of the ones who just googles it and uses someone elses opinion without doing the background work yourself to make up your own opinions.

i have to make the same arguement every time religion comes up and the people who truly know the least about them are always the loudest. i'm tired of saying the same thing over and over on current when it falls on the deaf ears of these idiotic users. done.

i prefer most honest, but honesty doesn't go over well on current

You still didn't address my point. Christianity has been "bastardized" so you say, and is not practiced in the form it was meant to be practiced by SOME people. How is this any different than Islam? Both religions condone murder and other horrific acts. But to you one is still better than the other. You still blame Islam for the craziness of SOME Muslims, even if they are not practicing the religion the way "it was meant to be practiced." I HAVE read, which is one of the main reasons I am an atheist. But for you to stand there and tout that one is better than the other, now THAT is childish. They are ALL false, they ALL end badly.

"once again harping on christians while blindly ignoring facts" but you harp on Muslims while blindly ignoring the facts about Christianity-THAT IT IS JUST AS VIOLENT AS ISLAM. At least I harp on them all equally. You just take the "I'm better than you" stance. Did you or did you not say that Christianity is the true religion of peace? Did you or did you not say you prefer Christianity to all other religions?

Talk about bastardization, Jesus didn't even WANT a religion based on his teachings. Paul started a religion against his wishes. It was bastardized from day one. According to Jesus his only purpose for being on Earth was to die, the guy was nuts! People followed him anyway. There IS no true religion of peace, ALL religions are divisive. Saying Christianity is peaceful... that's just silliness.

Honesty goes over fine, it's ignorance people have trouble with.

christianity is taught to be peaceful, islam is taught to be violent. christianity has been wrongly practiced as violent, islam is supposed to be practiced as violent. there are HUGE differences there and i'm sorry you can't seem to see the difference.

What makes you any better than the people you hate if you think you have the right to tell people how and where they can worship?

My friend if you are a Christian then you are setting a poor example for the heathens. :-)