If a Country Sinks Beneath the Sea, Is It Still a Country?
source: http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2010/08/23/23climatewire-if-a-country-sinks-beneath-the-sea-is-...
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And if entire populations are forced to relocate -- as could be the case with citizens of the Maldives, Tuvalu, Kiribati and other small island states facing extinction -- what citizenship, if any, can those displaced people claim?
Until recently, such questions of sovereignty and human rights have been the domain of a scattered group of lawyers and academics. But now the Republic of the Marshall Islands -- a Micronesian nation of 29 low-lying coral atolls in the North Pacific -- is campaigning to stockpile a body of knowledge it hopes will turn international attention to vulnerable countries' plights.
"At the current negotiating sessions and climate change meetings, nobody is truly addressing the legal and human rights effects of climate change," said Phillip Muller, the Marshall Islands' ambassador to the United Nations.
"If the Marshall Islands ceases to exist, are we still going to own the sea resources? Are we still going to be asked for permission to fish? What are the rights that we will have? And we are also mindful that we may need to relocate. We're hoping it will never happen, but we have to be ready. There are a lot of issues we need to know the answer to and be able to tell our citizens what is happening," he said.
Frustrated by the dearth of answers to the questions he was posing, Muller said, Marshall Islands leaders contacted Columbia Law School. Michael Gerrard, who leads the law school's Center for Climate Change Law, picked up the challenge and issued a call for papers.
Theoretical questions become real
Gerrard, who is arranging a conference sponsored by Columbia University's Earth Institute next year, said that when he began reaching out to scholars, he realized most were working in isolation from one another. And, he said, some of the most ticklish legal questions facing small island nations have been understudied -- because until recently, the notion of a country's extinction has been largely theoretical.
"The prospect of a nation drowning is so horrific that it's hard to imagine," Gerrard said. Moreover, he added, until just a few years ago, it was difficult to have a conversation in the international community about how countries might adapt to climate change.
"There was a concern that it would divert focus from mitigation. But now people recognize that even with the most aggressive imaginable mitigation measures, the climate situation will get worse before it gets better, and we have to begin making serious preparation," he said.
The plight of refugees is the most emotional of the looming questions. Deciding where to relocate citizens is just the beginning for a disappearing nation. Still unanswered: What will the political status of those displaced people be? Will they assimilate into the culture and economy of their new host country, or will they retain a separate identity?
The International Organization for Migration (IOM) estimates that rising sea levels, saltwater intrusion and accelerated coastal erosion could lead to as many as 200 million environmentally induced migrants worldwide by 2050.
The Carteret Islanders of Papua New Guinea could be some of the world's first climate "refugees." The land is expected to be under water by 2015, and Papua New Guinea's mission to the United Nations has already announced it would evacuate the approximately 2,000 islanders to Bougainville Island -- about a four-hour boat ride away.
Maldives wants a fund of last resort
Meanwhile, in the Maldives, President Mohamed Nasheed declared upon entering office that he would create a sovereign fund -- something of a last-resort insurance policy -- in the event that the country's 305,000 citizens would require relocation. The fund fell victim to budget shortfalls, but Maldivian officials have said it had the desired effect of raising awareness in the international community.
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http://current.com/news/92551184_indian-ocean-levels-rising-study-shows.htm
Indian Ocean sea levels are rising unevenly, posing a threat to residents in some densely populated coastal areas and islands, a new study says. The study, led by researchers at the University of Colorado in Boulder and the National Center for Atmospheric Research, attributes the sea-level rise in part to climate change.
Along the coasts of the northern Indian Ocean, seas have risen by an average of about 0.5 inches a decade, the research shows. The increases are particularly noted along the coastlines of the Bay of Bengal, the Arabian Sea, Sri Lanka, Sumatra and Java.
Such rises in sea level could aggravate monsoon flooding in Bangladesh and India, the study says, and could impact global climate change on both regional and global levels.
The Indian Ocean's complex circulation patterns could also affect precipitation by forcing even more atmospheric air than normal down to the surface in subtropical regions.
"This may favor a weakening of atmospheric convection in subtropics, which may increase rainfall in the eastern tropical regions of the Indian Ocean and drought in the western equatorial Indian Ocean region, including east Africa," said the study's lead author Weiqing Han of the University of Colorado's atmospheric and oceanic sciences department.
To carry out their research, the scientists combined sea surface measurements dating back to the 1960s, along with satellite observations.
The researchers point to the Indo-Pacific "warm pool," a massive bathtub-shaped area extending from the east coast of Africa west to the International Date Line in the Pacific. This area has increased by about 1 degree Fahrenheit in the past 50 years, believed mostly to be caused by human-generated increases of greenhouse gases.
"Our new results show that human-caused changes of atmospheric and oceanic circulation over the Indian Ocean region -- which have not been studied previously -- are the major cause for the regional variability of sea level change," the authors wrote in Nature Geoscience magazine.
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Notice how this (US government - who else doesn't trust government scientists?) article, which appears in Nature Geoscience magazine, not known for its impartiality, states implicitly that the sea level variation in the Indian ocean is caused by man.
"Our new results show that human-caused changes of atmospheric and oceanic circulation over the Indian Ocean region -- which have not been studied previously -- are the major cause for the regional variability of sea level change,"
Yet they don't give any explanation as to how man has changed oceanic and more interestingly, atmospheric circulation. Notice also how much they don't seem too positive, using the word 'may' numerous times:
"This may favor a weakening..." "...which may increase rainfall..." "...in the Indian Ocean may also affect..." "The rise—which may aggravate monsoon flooding..."
The team used the Parallel Ocean Program, a model... another model!!! How many times have these models been proved to be pretty damn useless at predicting real-world events? Some climate models have been know to be as little as 1% accurate. No wonder they had to rely on the word may so many times in their article!
The study "finds that Indian Ocean sea levels are rising unevenly and threatening residents in some densely populated coastal areas, particularly those along the Bay of Bengal, the Arabian Sea, Sri Lanka, Sumatra, and Java."
But where do sea levels rise evenly? Sea levels rise and fall unevenly everywhere, and if you care to look at official data for sea level rise for the areas stated you find that the rates are less than 1mm per year, in some cases half of one milimetre per year.
The station at Chesapeak Bay bridge shows a sea level rise of 6.05mm/yr, shouldn't we be thinking about those poor people first? Maybe we could relocate them in Oslo where sea level change is minus 4.3mm/yr.This is nothing more than a poorly presented scaremongering government funded article with one aim - to suck in gullible people into believing the world is in peril.
Well, some people bought it, didn't they? - 1 year ago
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http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2255
excerpt:"When he first heard about this idea, says Stouffer, “it was one of those ‘duh’ moments for me. I said, ‘Yeah, that makes sense.’” He ended up co-authoring a paper that appeared in Nature Geoscience last March, laying out the argument.
Then, however, Stouffer experienced another “duh” moment. “I’m somewhat embarrassed by that paper,” he says, “because here we were focused on this relatively little problem, and there’s this great big gorilla in the room, and I missed it. But I had a lot of company.” (This last point is crucial: Stouffer is among the most experienced and respected modelers in the world, so a “duh” moment for him means the surprise is widespread.)
The gorilla Stouffer refers to — an effect so large that it overwhelms the others — is something called the geoid. It’s an imaginary surface that maps
If the West Antarctic Ice Sheet melts and loses mass, its pull on the surrounding ocean will lessen.the strength of Earth’s gravitational field, and it’s as bumpy as the surface of the actual planet. Orbiting satellites don’t move around the Earth in perfect circles, or even perfect ellipses; their height changes when they go over the extra gravity exerted by a mountain range, and changes again when they orbit over a valley.And because water is a liquid, the surface of the sea is also warped to follow the contours of the geoid. The extra gravitational attraction of an undersea mountain range pulls water toward it, creating a literal, permanent bump on the surface of the sea, while the deficit of gravity near an undersea valley creates a depression in the water up above.
The same sort of thing happens when there’s an excess of mass on land that lies near the ocean. A coastal mountain range pulls the water in its direction, raising sea level nearby. So do the massive icecaps that smother Greenland and Antarctica. Indeed, Antarctica’s polar ice sheet is so massive that it is three miles thick in places and covers an area one-and-one-half times the size of the United States, including Alaska.
These polar ice caps are Stouffer’s gorillas. They keep sea level higher than it would otherwise be for thousands of kilometers around both land masses, and correspondingly lower elsewhere.
If the polar ice sheets shrink, though — as they’re currently doing, especially in Grenland and West Antarctica — their gravitational pull weakens and so does their hold on the surrounding water. About a year ago, Jerry Mitrovica, a geophysicist who teaches an entire course on sea level at Harvard, co-authored a paper in Science that laid out what would likely happen if the West Antarctic ice sheet, the smaller of the two sheets that cover the Antarctic continent, were to melt. (Like a complete shutdown of the Gulf Stream, this is not considered likely anytime soon. But recent satellite measurements have shown that glaciers that drain the ice sheet have begun moving faster toward the sea).
If you simply spread the resulting increase in sea level evenly around the world, it would amount to about 5 meters’ worth. But the ice sheet’s gravity is currently keeping sea level artificially low in the Northern Hemisphere, so if it disappeared, the actual increase along the U.S. mid-Atlantic coast would be more like 6.3 meters. In other words, as the West Antarctic Ice Sheet melts and loses mass, its pull on the surrounding ocean will lessen. Seas will drop around Antarctica and parts of the Southern Hemisphere, and that water will be displaced to more northerly areas, such as the east coast of the U.S.
Now that the gorilla has made its presence known, Stouffer is working with Mitrovica to understand its effects in greater detail. A joint paper, due out in a few months, will look into the gravitationally driven sea-level changes a melting Greenland could trigger. “The signal is so large,” says Stouffer, “that if you own beachfront property in Iceland, and all of the ice on Greenland melts and adds seven meters to average sea level, you end up with more beach. But in Hawaii, you get your seven meters of sea-level rise plus an extra two or three on top of that. It’s phenomenal to me that it matters that much.”
Mitrovica agrees.
“When I give talks about this, people don’t believe me,” says Mitrovica. He doesn’t blame them, either. “It’s just wacky when you think about it, completely counterintuitive,” he says. “But it’s true.”
How High Will Seas Rise?
Get Ready for Seven FeetAs governments, businesses, and homeowners plan for the future, they should assume that the world’s oceans will rise by at least two meters — roughly seven feet — this century.
READ MOREIt’s even measurable, despite the fact that the melting of the ice sheets has barely begun. Even when you correct for other effects, says Mitrovica, you can still see that Europe’s sea level rise is less than you’d expect. “It’s profoundly puzzling,” he says, “until you realize you’re seeing the gravitational signal of Greenland melting.”
When he started looking at regional effects, Mitrovica recalls, some climate-change deniers were noting that sea-level rise was happening at different rates in different regions, arguing that this proved there was no global trend, and thus no global warming. That was already a bogus argument, but now that he and others have begun investigating the gorilla in the living room, it’s even more absurd. The science is so straightforward, he says, that “if you saw that sea level was rising uniformly around the world, it would be proof that the big ice sheets are not melting.”
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Gravitational pull of ice sheets as they melt can also contribute to sea level rise in some areas even above predictions, and below in others. However, in places like New Orleans subsidence can be deadly when put up against higher and stronger storm surges, so that is also a threat as well. I also don't recall myself or anyone stating that sea level rise would inundate and drown the entire planet by today or tomorrow. However, it is only moral and prudent that based on scientific evidence and climate trends, ice melt, etc. that we as a species prepare ourselves for what will be our fate if current trends continue. There is absolutely nothing wrong, extremist, or alarmist about having a plan in place to deal with what has already happened to other islands, especially considering the unpredictability of events based on our own behavior. Decreasing our Co 2 emissions, sequestering carbon in soil, reforesting, and diversifying much more aggressively into renewable energy sources (which would also decrease subsidence due to overextraction of oil and gas) can actually help stave off some of the effects of sea level rise that have already been put into motion. Being cognizant of the threats and the possible outcomes and preparing for them is simply being responsible stewards of this planet and each other - 1 year ago
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Visayan Islands first victims of Sea Level Rise by Lory Tan
Tagbilaran, 3/30/2010. At the first Bohol Climate Change Summit, presently under way in this city, it was reported that portions of Danajon Bank, one of world’s most significant double-barrier reefs, now sit below sea level. The Philippines, long described as an archipelago of 7,107 islands in the Coral Triangle, may have to begin a revision of its national maps.
The Bohol islands and coastline areas that have reportedly disappeared into the biodiversity-rich Visayan sea include Cuaming Island in Inabanga town, Guindacpan and Calituban Islands in Talibon town, portions of San Jose and Santo Nino on the Talibon mainland, and Banakon Island in Jetafe town. Anecdotal information coming originally from local communities have been verified by NGOs present in this conference. Conference participants furnished additional reports and photographs of other areas around Bohol that now suffer significant intrusion of sea water at high tide.
As a limestone island province, heavily dependent on groundwater, Bohol’s coastal areas are prone to land subsidence due to over-extraction of groundwater. Local perceptions, however, bolstered by time series data of these areas from local NGOs and government units, indicate that this phenomenon is probably due to rising sea levels, rather than land subsidence, or normal erosion.
Cognizant of these and other rapid changes in their local climate, Boholano stakeholders – spurred on by the initiative of Governor Erico Aumentado, and the travails of the current El Nino event – have come together in this groundbreaking conference to craft strategic, but locally appropriate, responses in areas that include agriculture and fisheries, tourism and culture, water and sanitation, transport and infrastructure.
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Ah yes, Danajon Bank, swamped by rising sea levels... or is it? Could it be something to do with illegal fishing? Talk about erosion, it seems this has more to do with fishermen using dynamite to fish with. Now don't you think dynamite might just have a tiny effect on the destruction of the coral bank?
Bohol Chronicle March 21 2010
"Bohol Environment Management Office (BEMO) announced Thursday the launch of Operation Plan Sandagat, a multi-agency coastal law enforcement action against illegal fishing in Danajon Bank.
The Danajon Bank consists of the provinces of Bohol, Leyte, Southern Leyte and Cebu (CELEBOSOLE). The major threats to the coastal environment are using of dynamite in fishing, selling of dynamited fish, illegal selling of blasting caps, illegal collection of endangered shells, employment of minors in fishing and are operation of Danish seine also known as liba-liba operations inside municipal waters. Under the law all active gears and fishing boats that are more than 3 Gross Tonnage are prohibited from operating inside the 15 kilometers of municipal waters.
It has been customary for illegal fishing to proliferate during campaign period because many politicians are not inclined to support enforcement of special laws like fishery laws for fear of losing votes from arrested parties. "
Then you need to consider the illegal use of cyanide to fish with. Won't that have a destructive effect on the coral?
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http://knowledge.allianz.com/en/globalissues/climate_change/global_warming_basic...
Taking on Climate Change Myths and Skeptics
Stefan Rahmstorf is one of the world's best known climate scientists and one of the most outspoken critics of climate change skeptics. Here he tackles the most common and pervasive climate change myths promoted by climate change deniers.
_____The scientific facts seem clear, climate change is happening and it is man-made. Still some people disagree. Why?
In my experience, these people primarily do not like the consequences of the scientific findings: that we need to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions.
Are there any scientists left that deny that climate change is happening or man-made?
Scientists yes, but they are almost never climate scientists. A very interesting survey of earth scientists by the University of Illinois recently found that 97 percent of those who publish original research in climate science agree that humans have caused significant global warming. But the more you move away from climate science, going for example to meteorologists (who study weather rather than climate) or geologists, the more people are still skeptical.
There are different degrees of denial and skepticism. Which is the most common and which is the most dangerous?
One must make a distinction: many scientists from neighboring fields are skeptical in the sense that they are not sure, since they are not very familiar with the evidence. In fact, most climate scientists, including myself, were skeptical in this sense perhaps 15 or 20 years ago, and were gradually convinced by the overwhelming evidence. That’s healthy skepticism.
^Quite something else are those individuals that actively go out to deny human-caused global warming in the media. This activity usually has a political background, and the arguments they present are generally aimed at uninformed lay people who are not familiar with the data. To knowledgeable people they are thoroughly unconvincing, often deceitful.^
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Ah, the killer article - how to deal with sceptics... by Stefan Rahmstorf!!! Oh dear... this just gets funnier and funnier. How many times has he been linked to dodgy 'science'? And the fact that he's involved with the IPCC shows his bias. But don't take my word for it, here's a nice little quote for you:
"Eduardo Zorita, a climate scientist at the GKSS Research Center near Hamburg, Germany, also posted a statement on Saturday that explained, “Why I think Michael Mann, Phil Jones and Stefan Rahmstorf should be banned from the IPCC process.”
Zorita wrote, “Short answer: because the scientific assessments in which they may take part are not credible anymore.”"
That just about sums it up, not credible anymore. Not much else to say really.
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Climate change in the Philllippines.
You really are obsessed with me here aren't you? I thought you didn't spend much time here?
You are exactly the type of deceitful denier Stefan Rahmstorf described, which was why I posted that after your last lame regurgitated response that I have seen countless times on other denier sites. You aren't even creative.
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LOL, not credible because you say so? You sound just like that elitist Monckton... HMM, I wonder... Wouldn't it just be the bomb having that buffoon posting incognito on Al Gore's site? LOL. I know the only reason you come at me with this regurgitated garbage is because I support Al Gore , so please spare me the rest of your repertoire. I've seen it before, and it isn't impressive.
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Obsessed with you? Hold on, even though you replied to your own post I assume you're referring to me here?
No, I'm actually not obsessed with you, sorry. Also, I'm not Lord Monckton.But, just to sum up here; you tell us that islands in the Pacific and elsewhere are disappearing under rising seas, or are at least under severe threat of doing so and we must act now to do something about it.
You were asked earlier what were your suggestions but you seem not to have answered. This is par for the course with you. You never answer direct questions in your own words, you're little more than an automaton producing links to out-dated articles from well known biased sources.
More people than I have presented credible evidence that shows sea levels haven't risen significantly in the areas you mention. Some of these islands have been inhabited for thousands of years and endured many sea level and climate cycles, yet you expect us to believe they're now about to be swamped, and with no credible evidence to support your claim with the exception of a few suspect articles and the say-so of already debunked 'scientists'.
You then try to shore up your argument by presenting a link suggesting Danajon Bank is sinking into the sea. But it doesn't take much work to discover that yes, it is sinking into the sea, but only because the fishermen are blowing the bloody thing up with dynamite... what a way to catch and fillet fish all in one go!!!
You don't seem to be able to explain why two islands sank below the (supposedly) rising sea, yet other islands nearby remain intact. Surely if the islands' disappearance was due solely to sea level rise the other islands would have been swamped also?
The two islands were sand islands, neglected ones at that. Hardly a surprise they eroded into non-existence.I managed to dig out some information about natural disasters in Kiribati:
Source:"EM-DAT: The OFDA/CRED International Disaster Database, www.em-dat.net - Université catholique de Louvain - Brussels - Belgium"
Summarized Table of Natural Disasters in Kiribati from 1972 to 1999
Drought: 1 Event. 84,000 affected. 0 killed. 0 injured. 0 homeless.
Epidemic: 1 Event. 352 affected. 17 killed. 0 injured. 0 homeless.
Wind Storm: 1 Event. 700 affected. 3 Killed. 0 injured. 0 homeless.Strangely, there's no mention of flooding!
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From above:
"Decreasing our Co 2 emissions, sequestering carbon in soil, reforesting, and diversifying much more aggressively into renewable energy sources (which would also decrease subsidence due to overextraction of oil and gas) can actually help stave off some of the effects of sea level rise that have already been put into motion."
That's my plan. I do respond and have done so to those who are civil , just not to crackpots like you. Now come back and reply again and tell me you aren't obsessed with my posts here.
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Yes, but you already know CO2 has no bearing on temperature. If there was a correlation, why isn't the world warmer now than it was in 1998 for example? Why, according to the alarmist Phil Jones, has there been "no discernible warming over last 15 years" if CO2 causes temperatures to rise?
As for renewable energy, you already know that it's not yet fit for purpose - it's just not good enough yet. One day it will be, but it's not there yet.
So, all your plans will have absolutely no effect on the atmosphere, the climate or anything else for that matter, just as Kyoto had absolutely no effect on anything. Still, if it makes you feel good...I'm sorry if replying to your posts, especially the ones directed personally at me, makes me seem like I'm obsessed with you or your posts, but as I've said here time and time again, I'm only here to present a more realistic and counter response to the drivel you post, just as others are.
And there you go again with the insults...Ok, from now on should I just stay away from this public site? Should I just ignore your posts, even if I violently disagree with them? Should I only comment on issues where I agree with you, or better still, should I join in with you and spread more disinformation? What do you think?
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http://www.skepticalscience.com/Visual-depictions-of-Sea-Level-Rise.html
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'Even many critics would agree that global sea levels are currently rising, regardless of recent scrutiny and revision of estimates of predicted sea level rise. As pointed out previously, predicting sea level rise is tough. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) puts it neatly, “To make predictions, we need knowledge. To gain knowledge we need observations”. However a recent claim disputes that current sea levels are rising significantly. Is it possible to verify or falsify this statement by looking at observations and data from the scientific community concerned with measuring sea level?The answer is yes. Measuring sea level is now a multidisciplinary effort involving integration of observations from several global networks of hundreds of tidal stations, calibrated with vertical reference data from nearby GPS (Global Positioning System, which now use the American GPS, Russian GLONASS and European Galileo constellations of satellites) or DORIS (Doppler Orbitography Integrated by Satellite) stations, and data from several independent satellite based radar altimeters (recently Jason I, Jason II, and Envisat) which give complete global coverage, data on sea temperature and pressure from the ARGO floating sensors (which give information on temperature and salinity related variations in Oceanic volume), and most recently data from the satellite based gravity sensor GRACE (Gravity Recovery And Climate Experiment), which can give direct measurements of changes in mass of oceanic and land based water.
A 2009 review by Merrifield et al of the GLOSS (Global Sea Level Observing System) gives some indication of the large number and variety of organizations and workers involved. These measurements are complementary as well as providing independent cross validation checks on any individual data set, and many teams independently process raw observations to derive sea level data. This has enormously improved our knowledge of estimated sea level rise at global and regional level over the past 20 years, with continual refinements of estimates, as well as reductions in uncertainties from the centimetric level to sub mm level.
What are the conclusions from these efforts? Recent reviews (Cazenave et al 2009, Cazenave and Llovel 2010) show that the most up to date estimates of mean rate of sea level rise for the 20th century are converging on around 1.7 to 1.8mm/year, with uncertainties of around 0.2 to 0.3mm. (Ablain 2009, Church 2008, Engelhart 2009, Jevrejeva 2008, Leulette 2009, Merrifield 2009, Woppelmann 2009). The small differences between reported figures are mainly due to the different Glacial-Isostatic Adjustment (GIA) model or GPS based corrections that are used for the tidal stations, and extrapolating current knowledge of these vertical velocity corrections backwards to before the absolute GPS corrected data was available.
Figure 1: Global corrected tidal station data (Church 2006 updated to 2009-dark blue, and Jevrejeva 2008- red)
Most recently, corrected tidal station data from the satellite altimeter period of 1993 to 2010 is in good agreement (within the error budget) with the satellite altimeter data, which gives 3.3mm/year ±0.4mm once GIA corrections are added. These values are considered “robust”.
The overall message is clear. Sea levels are rising.
Figure 2: Data from all satellite altimeters and 3 month composite average. The seasonal variations have been retained (trend 2.83mm/year, GIA correction would add another 0.2 to 0.5mm/yr)
Both tidal station data and altimeter data show decadal and shorter term variations in the rate of rise, but there is a significant weight of evidence of a recent acceleration in rate of sea level rise towards the end of the last century (Jevrejeva 2008, Merrifield 2009, Vermeer 2009), whilst the “slowing down” reported by some observers (around 2008) has proved short lived (judging from 2009/2010 data).
It has also now become possible to attempt to “close” the sea level budget, which has components of reported thermal expansion of the volume of water due to increase in accumulated heat energy, and also an increased component from melting ice from land based sources. Again refinements and corrections of recent datasets from GRACE (with GPS) and ARGO resolve previous and relatively recent difficulties, so that the sum of these climate-related contributions (2.85 ± 0.35 mm per year) is now comparable with the altimetry-based sea level rise (3.3 ± 0.4 mm per year) over the 1993 to 2007 period (Cazenave 2010, reporting a consensus of the Ocean Observing Community).
Using these datasets it is estimated that around 30% of the observed rate of rise over the satellite altimeter time period is due to ocean thermal expansion and 55% results from accumulated melting land ice. There is evidence that the land ice melt contribution has increased significantly over the past five years.'
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In Texas we call those "pot holes".
p.s.-- I would seriously consider NOT buying real estate on small to medium islands,...if you're younger than,...say,...35 years old. Pontoons,.....pontoons is a growth industry.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/368892.stm
Luckily, these two islands were uninhabited.
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"Islands disappear under rising seas
Rising waters threaten small island states
Two South Pacific islands have disappeared beneath the waves, as climate change raises sea levels to new heights.
They are Tebua Tarawa and Abanuea - which ironically means "the beach which is long-lasting" - in the island state of Kiribati.
Neither island was inhabited, though Tebua Tarawa was used by fishermen.
Swamped by the sea
The news is reported in the Independent on Sunday newspaper, which says predictions of the danger are coming true more quickly than anyone had expected.
The South Pacific Regional Environment Programme (SPREP) says other islands are at risk, both in Kiribati and in nearby Tuvalu.
It says most of the coastline of the 29 atolls of the Marshall Islands is suffering erosion.
On one, second world war graves are being washed away.
Pressure on people
All three island groups have experienced severe flooding by storms and high tides, and populated islands are now being affected.
And even where the seawater is not a direct threat, livelihoods are being damaged as salt poisons the soil.
The small island states of the world contribute only 0.6% of all global warming pollution, but they are suffering disproportionately.
They cannot afford to protect themselves. To build a temporary sea wall for one Marshall Island atoll would cost $100 million, more than twice the wealth the country produces annually.
Warm water problems
In the Indian Ocean, the beaches of a third of the 200 inhabited islands of the Maldives are being swept away.
President Gayoom of the Maldives says: "Sea-level rise is not a fashionable scientific hypothesis. It is a fact".
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So, dredging up an old article from 1999, and from the BBC.
Two islands disappear. Were these solid rock islands? No. They were little more than sand banks. Read this:
"In 1999, British media declared they had found the first victims of
global warming: two uninhabited islands, Tebua Tarawa and Abanuea, in
Kiribati. The sand islets were in the vast lagoon of Tarawa, the badly
polluted and severely over-crowded capital atoll.What was not reported was that the Kiribati government, with mainly
Japanese aid, had linked all of the South Tarawa atolls by causeways.
"That causeway has dramatically changed the usual oceanographic
patterns, the flushing of the lagoons and such," Scherer says. On the
main islets of Tarawa most families have built their own versions of a
sea wall. "Those islands that have sunk were not populated at all and so
nobody had done anything and then the normal erosion effects, storm
surge effects in particular, take their toll. Once the erosion sets in,
Mother Nature does not bring the sand on shore.""Erosion due to people not maintaining the defences or swamped by sea level rises?
If two sand banks disappear due to sea level rises, then why didn't the other islands also disappear under the sea? Is sea level rise that selective? Maybe this has little or nothing at all to do with sea level rise. - 1 year ago
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Thought of this scene from Inception lol (skip to 2:03)
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I have a problem with the estimates of sea level rise with regard to Antarctica. Statistics on ocean sea level rising as a result of it's glaciers melting there are too high because of the Bentley Subglacial trench, ALL of the ice on that HALF of Antarctica is therefore already being displaced in the water is it not? Because if those glaciers melted (EVEN WITHOUT THE RISE IN SEA LEVELS) that land would already be underwater as a result of the glaciers pressing down on the Earth's crust.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentley_Subglacial_Trench
"At 2,555 meters (8,327 ft) below sea level, it is the lowest point on the surface of the earth not covered by ocean, although it is covered by ice."
8,327 isn't chump change elevation drop, those glaciers on that entire half of Antarctica are already displaced in the water as far as I'm concerned and therefore the estimates for the sea level rise for at least 1/3rd or half of Antarctica is a lie.
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I suspect that if these incidents when to occur, then there would be no legal claim to those rights by the former country. However, the mineral rights would likely stay in control of the people that formerly made up that nation. It would seem that the most likely outcome would be a necessity by these individuals to set up a trust for collection and payment of these funds to the former citizens of the theoretically extinct country.
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versasrev:
I could bet certain corporations would be hatching up schemes to buy such mineral rights to make profit off their misery as well. This is really such a huge moral issue. I truly wonder if we are up to the task. As for legal rights I would guess you are right on that however, when considering where the people would be going, what rights would then be conferred on them? Would we just see customs, traditions and cultures disappearing? That would be truly sad.
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JanforGore:
Well if anybody paid attention to the world court, then they would be the perfect body to hear on and make judgement on the legal issues; however with the U.S. and a number of other large countries largely ignore them, so they aren't given as much heed as they should.
As for the cultural fate of the people it would seem the most logical course would be to keep them together unless they wished otherwise.
If they desired to disperse in the world, then the cultural death that were to occur would be of their own choosing, and thus merely an extension of the culture. I should also note that forcing any of these potential climate refuges to separate into very small isolated groups distributed throughout the globe would be the most unethical decision that could be made. Forced separation for an entire culture would be so bad for so many reasons that I don't even want to start to list them.
If they choose to stay together, the culture would augment some to adapt to the host nation. I think this would create situations like "China Towns" in many metropolitan areas or maybe a new "Spanish Harlem" like local. The only thing I would worry about in this situation is that they would be immigrant minorities, and so would likely face some tough discrimination wherever they ended up. Still given the circumstances, that would be the best case scenario I can foresee...
Of course there are other scenarios that are possible, yet they mainly seem very very bad; and as such less likely. Who knows though.
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We might even need a new branch of the World Court just to deal with the new complexities this will bring. The problem I see is that they would not be allowed to go wherever they chose, and of course any place selected to bring climate refugees would also have to have enough resources to sustain them as well as those who already live there. I really want to think that positive outcomes would be the result of people needing to move to other areas, but knowing human nature I see conflict. That's why I would hope we would institute steps to protect the areas most vulnerable with plans to decrease emissions and other ways to offset loss of carbon through sinks to avoid that scenario. Although, again based on emissions, glacier melt, wind patterns etc. this I believe will be the greatest moral challenge climate change will bring us in the future.
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if this is mandated by some liberalized organization like the UN..then upcoming nations cannot compete with developed nations..everytime there is in an upsurge of competition from others..guess what the rich nations do ????
find a monkey in a suit to sell this eco shit to the masses...
happens all the time
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/623-behind-...
"The impending CFC prohibition is the direct result of baseless fears concocted by some environmentalists and scientists. Their repetitious gloom and doom forecasts spurred ratification of the 1987 Montreal Protocol on Substances That Deplete the Ozone Layer. Led by the United States, 24 nations signed the spurious document during the Montreal gathering, and another 100 have climbed aboard as signatories in succeeding years. The protocol originally called for CFC production to be cut in half, but was later amended to require a complete phaseout of the substance by December 31, 1995 for "developed nations...............The reason for the ban is the totally unfounded theory that the chlorine in CFCs escapes into the atmosphere, rises into the stratosphere, combines with the ozone found in those upper levels, and thereby removes the ozone shield needed to protect the earth and its inhabitants from harmful solar radiation. It all sounds reasonable, doesn't it? And popular wisdom tells us that it couldn't possibly be a completely screwball notion because some scientists, a bevy of environmentalists, and many politicians mouth it. But popular wisdom is dead wrong about ozone and CFCs......All of this is the good news. The bad news is that the completely unnecessary government ban on the production of CFCs will change life in America in a dramatic way. And the freon found in your refrigerator and air conditioner are not the only chlorofluorocarbons that will be affected. There are literally hundreds of other useful applications for CFCs — in agriculture, manufacturing, medicine, insulation, and fire suppression. But our dictatorial federal government has decided that production of this beneficial, inexpensive, and useful manmade substance must cease.""
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ayipis:
I heard the patent was running out on freon and Dupont wanted to have it banned so no one else could use it for free.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/environment/ozonefreon_fraud.htm - 1 year ago
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Freon R-12 has been in the process of being banned for a long time. They stopped using it in cars in the early 90s.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion
Ozone depletion describes two distinct, but related observations: a slow, steady decline of about 4 percent per decade in the total volume of ozone in Earth's stratosphere (the ozone layer) since the late 1970s, and a much larger, but seasonal, decrease in stratospheric ozone over Earth's polar regions during the same period. The latter phenomenon is commonly referred to as the ozone hole. In addition to this well-known stratospheric ozone depletion, there are also tropospheric ozone depletion events, which occur near the surface in polar regions during spring.
The detailed mechanism by which the polar ozone holes form is different from that for the mid-latitude thinning, but the most important process in both trends is catalytic destruction of ozone by atomic chlorine and bromine.[1] The main source of these halogen atoms in the stratosphere is photodissociation of chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) compounds, commonly called freons, and of bromofluorocarbon compounds known as halons. These compounds are transported into the stratosphere after being emitted at the surface.[2] Both ozone depletion mechanisms strengthened as emissions of CFCs and halons increased.
CFCs and other contributory substances are commonly referred to as ozone-depleting substances (ODS). Since the ozone layer prevents most harmful UVB wavelengths (270–315 nm) of ultraviolet light (UV light) from passing through the Earth's atmosphere, observed and projected decreases in ozone have generated worldwide concern leading to adoption of the Montreal Protocol that bans the production of CFCs and halons as well as related ozone depleting chemicals such as carbon tetrachloride and trichloroethane. It is suspected that a variety of biological consequences such as increases in skin cancer, cataracts,[3] damage to plants, and reduction of plankton populations in the ocean's photic zone may result from the increased UV exposure due to ozone depletion.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
Global cooling was a conjecture during the 1970s of imminent cooling of the Earth's surface and atmosphere along with a posited commencement of glaciation. This hypothesis had mixed support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles, and a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s. In contrast to the global cooling conjecture, the current scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth has not durably cooled, but undergone global warming throughout the twentieth century.[1]
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http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
Oct 5, 2007 ... Fears of "global cooling" then changed suddenly to "global warming .... because they know there is politics and, therefore, money behind it. ...
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http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Widescale+Global+Cooling/ar...
World Temperatures according to the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction. Note the steep drop over the last year.
Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warmingOver the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.
No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.
A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100824092408.htm
'Sea Level to Rise Even With Aggressive Geo-Engineering and Greenhouse Gas Control, Study Finds
ScienceDaily (Aug. 24, 2010) — New findings by international research group of scientists from England, China and Denmark just published suggest that sea level will likely be 30-70 centimetres higher by 2100 than at the start of the century even if all but the most aggressive geo-engineering schemes are undertaken to mitigate the effects of global warming and greenhouse gas emissions are stringently controlled.
"Rising sea levels caused by global warming are likely to affect around 150 million people living in low-lying coastal areas, including some of the world's largest cities," explained Dr Svetlana Jevrejeva of the National Oceanography Centre.
Most scientists agree that anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions contribute greatly to global warming, and that these emissions need to be controlled if damaging future impacts such as sea-level rise are to be averted. But if we fail to do so, is there a 'Plan B'?
Scientists have proposed ways of 'geo-engineering' the Earth system to tackle global warming, thereby reducing its impact on both the main contributors of sea level rise: thermal expansion of ocean water and melting of glaciers and ice sheets. Jevrejeva and her colleagues have modelled sea level over the 21st century under various geo-engineering schemes and carbon dioxide emission scenarios.
"We used 300 years of tide gauge measurements to reconstruct how sea level responded historically to changes in the amount of heat reaching the Earth from the Sun, the cooling effects of volcanic eruptions, and past human activities," said Jevrejeva. "We then used this information to simulate sea level under geo-engineering schemes over the next 100 years."
Changes in temperature predicted to result from increased atmospheric carbon dioxide or geo-engineering are large compared with those caused by volcanism over the last 100,000 years or by changes in the amount of the Sun's energy reaching the Earth over the last 8000 years.
"Natural sea-level variations caused by extreme events such as severe volcanic eruptions over the past several thousand years were generally much smaller than those caused by anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions or predicted under effective geo-engineering schemes," said Jevrejeva.
The researcher's simulations show that injections of sulfur dioxide particles into the upper atmosphere, equivalent to a major volcanic eruption such as that of Mt Pinatubo every 18 months, would reduce temperature and delay sea-level rise by 40-80 years. Maintaining such an aerosol cloak could keep sea level close to what it was in 1990.
However, use of sulfur dioxide injection would be costly and also risky because its effects on ecosystems and the climate system are poorly understood.
"We simply do not know how the Earth system would deal with such large-scale geo-engineering action," said Jevrejeva.'
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JanforGore:
Geo-Engineering may very well be less realistic,...and far less controllable/predictable,...than large scale adaptive strategies ; lower birth rates,...planed gradual migrations of populations and infrastructure,...etc.
Also genetic banks for species that cant adapt quickly enough to change in habitat to keep their ecological place and status secure; conceivably they could be modified and reseeded into nature in the future when some sort of predictable equilibrium/stasis is restored.
Generally speaking,...its is easier for us to move OURSELVES around than to monkey with the physics and chemistry of the planets overall systemic inertia.
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The dynamics of this also goes beyond just temperature. Wind shear, thermal expansion, ocean currents, glacier melt, subsidence, storm surge, erosion. Just some factors that coming together make a recipe for millions of climate refugees. So getting back once again to the topic at hand, many people in these island nations depend on the sea for their livelihoods and agri/ aqua culture. Salt water intrusion due to erosion combined with sea level rise will and is denying people their livelihood and their ability to feed themselves and is destroying coral reefs and fish stocks. Even on the Gulf Coast and other coasts we will see higher storm surges not only due to a rise in sea level due to thermal expansion and ice melt, but subidence due to oil, water, and natural gas extraction. So the question again is, how do we deal with island nations going under water where millions of people are at risk? Where do they move? Will they still be recognized as being from that nation? How does it affect control of their resources? What of their cultures? It would be nice to actually have a discussion on this real problem we face instead of the embarrassing displays we see here every single day someone tries to have an adult conversation about this very real crisis.
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Not only island nations, but our own is at risk from sea level rise, erosion, and salt intrusion which will affect crops.
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The overriding point to this is that people are losing their homes to their islands disappearing. Why do you insist on shoving this no source no link denier crap down our throats as if it proves anything while totally ignoring the overriding moral question that needs to be answered? I don't care about your propaganda and nothing you post is going to change my mind or the reality. As the videos showed from the accounts by the residents actually living on these islands they are giving way to the sea and they will need a place to go. That is the question raised here and the dilemma we need to face for the future. No amount of no source articles you post that show up on every denier site because you are all a bunch of elitist nose in the air bigots who are paranoid in thinking everyone is after your precious oil money will change that. But by all means, please now pull the Middle Ages chart out of your butt again too. Your repertoire isn't complete without it.
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In Kiribati, the three of the most densely populated islands, Betio, Bairiki and Nanikai, also grew by between 12.5 and 30 per cent.
Professor Paul Kench, of Auckland University, who co-authored the study with Dr Arthur Webb, a Fiji-based expert on coastal processes, said the study challenged the view that the islands were sinking as a result of global warming.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/tuvalu/7799503/...
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IceKat:
hey dumbass, i know you don't belive that global warming is a problem, but did you read the end of the article:
"But the two scientists warn that people living on the islands still face serious challenges from climate change, particularly if the pace of sea level rises were to overtake that of sediment build-up.
The fresh groundwater that sustains villagers and their crops could be destroyed.
'The land may be there but will they still be able to support human habitation?' he said.
Naomi Thirobaux, a student from Kiribati who has studied the islands for a PhD, said no one should be lulled into thinking erosion and inundation were not taking their toll on the islands."
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Spiricle23:
I'll refrain from calling you names as I'm not down to your level yet.
Of course these islands are under threat, as are all lands on the earth, from all manner of natural events, though the threat level is pretty small. As the climate naturally changes small changes will occur in the shape of the world. Some people seem to think this planet and its climate were stable for billions of years until man built a factory in the 1800s and suddenly - boom - disaster.
These islands have survived and thrived for how long now? The fact is these islands are not being swamped by rising seas, thermal expansion, ocean currents or (get this) wind shear!!! Subsidence, storm surge, erosion are all factors affecting many places on earth, not just these islands. What will happen in the future is anyone's guess, especially as sea level rises have slowed and sea surface temperatures are on the decline, but I'm sure you'll find these islands are still there and still inhabited by the time we've all left this green (and getting greener) and pleasant planet. - 1 year ago
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IceKat:
I'm sorry, I would like apologize, that was rude of me...
I agree that not everything can be blamed on human caused global warming. The earth's environment is big and complex, and there are many things that we don't fully understand and know for sure. - 1 year ago
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"Rising sea levels caused by global warming..."
All this talk of global warming... so here's a temperature chart from Kiribati.
Spot the warming! - 1 year ago
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(Khandekar et al., 2005):
Johnston Island: no sea level rise for 50 years
Tuvalu: no sea level rise for 48 years
Tarawa, Kiribati: no sea level rise for 24 years
Kanton Island: no sea level rise for 28 years
Nauru: no sea level rise for 26 years
Honiara, Solomons: no sea level rise for 26 years
Saipan: no sea level rise for 22 years - 1 year ago
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"The poster-child examples of warming alarmism are the island of Tuvalu and the Maldives.
The Tuvalu government led the cry about small nations being swamped beneath the waves of rising seas, seeking wanted international compensation and for Australia and New Zealand to guarantee `residency' to their 12,000 islanders in the event of inundation.
All real measurements show that Tuvalu has suffered, at worst, no sea level rise. Now the National Tidal Facility, based in Adelaide, Australia, has dismissed the Tuvalu claims as unfounded. They have maintained accurate monitoring of sea level at Tuvalu, and report, "The historical record shows no visual evidence of any acceleration in sea level trends." - 1 year ago
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Why, for presenting counter-evidence to that of the extremists?
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"Another famous place is the Tuvalu Islands, which are
supposed to soon disappear because they’ve put out too much
carbon dioxide. There we have a tide gauge record, a variograph
record, from 1978, so it’s 30 years. And again, if you
look there, absolutely no trend, no rise."
Nils Axel Mornerinter - 1 year ago
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JanforGore:
Here we go again, "...suggest that sea level will likely be 30-70 centimetres higher by 2100 "
Will likely?
Problem here is that the real world doesn't seem to respond in the same way the extremists expect. In fact sea level rises have slowed dramatically over the past few years. One more thing to think about, sea levels have been rising since the end of the little ice age yet these islands all managed to survive, some even have grown.
Real world evidence always trashes extremists rantings. - 1 year ago
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"We then used this information to simulate sea level under geo-engineering schemes over the next 100 years."
So, models again. It's been proven so many times that models are extremely poor predictors of what happens in the real world.
"Changes in temperature predicted to result from increased atmospheric carbon dioxide... "
Yeah, predicted. We all know what's been predicted but again, where's the correlation with reality? Simple answer, there is none - absolutely none! - 1 year ago
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NO, real world evidence always goes over the heads of those paid to watch it fly over their heads. And once again in your ignorance you miss the point. Regardless of the cause real people's lives, livelihoods, and cultural roots are being effected by this, and there needs to be a plan in place to deal with it. But since you obviously don't care about human life, I don't even know why the hell you're in this thread. Unless of course you're just following your assignment.
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"...a plan in place to deal with it"
A plan in place to deal with islands surviving, not being swamped by rising seas, and at worst, being eroded by coral mining by the inhabitants?
I do care about people. I care about people being lied to :) - 1 year ago
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I don't care what no link no name article you post. The people living there attest to this. It is happening now and regardless of the reason there are real lives affected. But of course, to the coldhearted bastards of this world it only comes down to don't touch my precious money. What they are losing is worth more than money. You know, you really do make me sick. And gee, good thing I post here or you'd have nothing else to do. Pathetic.
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"And gee, good thing I post here or you'd have nothing else to do. Pathetic."
I may be wrong, but is that aimed at me?
Fact is I spend an extremely small amount of time here - It takes so little effort to present a counter argument to your extremism. :) - 1 year ago
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This is quite interesting. lolercopter
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An Auckland University researcher has offered new hope to the myriad small island nations in the Pacific which have loudly complained their low-lying atolls will drown as global warming boosts sea levels.
Geographer Associate Professor Paul Kench has measured 27 islands where local sea levels have risen 120mm – an average of 2mm a year – over the past 60 years, and found that just four had diminished in size.
Working with Arthur Webb at the Fiji-based South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission, Kench used historical aerial photographs and high-resolution satellite images to study changes in the land area of the islands.
They found that the remaining 23 had either stayed the same or grown bigger, according to the research published in a scientific journal, Global and Planetary Change.
“It has been thought that as the sea level goes up, islands will sit there and drown,” Prof Kench told the New Scientist. “But they won’t.
“The sea level will go up and the island will start responding.
One of the highest profile islands – in a political sense – was Tuvalu, where politicians and climate change campaigners have repeatedly predicted it will be drowned by rising seas, as its highest point is 4.5 metres above sea level. But the researchers found seven islands had spread by more than 3 percent on average since the 1950s.
One island, Funamanu, gained 0.44 hectares or nearly 30 percent of its previous area.
--------------------------------------------Wow! So basically, the islands aren't sinking below a rising sea. Who would have though it? Even the alarmist New Scientist had to admit they were wrong; "For years, people have warned that the smallest nations on the planet - island states that barely rise out of the ocean - face being wiped off the map by rising sea levels. Now the first analysis of the data broadly suggests the opposite: most have remained stable over the last 60 years, while some have even grown. "
Of course it's in the islands' governments interests to cry 'global warming' in order to secure funding from the nations they accuse of endangering their existence. - 1 year ago
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How would you feel if you had to be relocated from a place that was your ancestral homeland?
Excerpt from article:
"The International Organization for Migration (IOM) estimates that rising sea levels, saltwater intrusion and accelerated coastal erosion could lead to as many as 200 million environmentally induced migrants worldwide by 2050."Do you think we need a plan? Or should we just let them drown because they are poor and brown skinned? I bet that's the real reason why some Republicans don't want action on this. It isn't just about oil.
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I might be pretty happy if my ancestral homeland was Pakistan.
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JanforGore:
so what's your plan??
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JanforGore:
the democrat's action toward this had done nothing but earned MONEY and power for people like Al Gore...
if the planet decides to change color..it will change color no matter what you do..and that is what's happening..
the planet is INDEED changing temperature..NOT GLOBAL WARMING..but temperature change..some places are getting cold some places are getting hot..a shift..NO one is denying that..
the problem here is that a lot of people think that humans are doing this and PROFITING OFF from it..hence there is really nothing being achieved...global cooling in the 70s is now global warming...ITS ALL ABOUT POWER AND MONEY..read about all the politics involved on that selling credits buying credits to spew pollutants..strong arming upcoming nations who cannot compete with this ever changing eco policies that does nothing..
tell me the last time this happened was during the prehistoric times..what happened??? dinosaur were farting too much??? no prehistoric al gore telling cavemen that their body odor is causing glaciers to melt??
so please THINK
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