Community | August 27, 2010 | 6 comments

IRAQ DEATH TOLL STATISTICS

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For quite some time now the actual death toll of iraqi civilians has been a matter of debate.The american governmental standard places that number at 30 thousand, with other agencies tightly tied to our government offering similar stats like no more than 50 thousand.Iraq's official count is at 40 thousand.
(side not:iraqi official stated that in iraq being dead and having a death warrant are inseperable.like no one ever died in iraq with out them taking count.do they have a cencus?)

Arab nations, extreme left media, and terrorist organizations claim the numbers begin in the millions.similarly those numbers dont recognize insurgents and regional comflict seperate from us.

On David Letterman, John McCain put that number between 200 thousand and 300 thousand.It seems more than reasonable that McCains figures are probably most accurate, being as he was briefed by the homeland security on the campaign trail when he said it.The question wasnt one of interest at the time and McCain would be under no pressure to flubb them.

We have killed between two hundred and three hundred thousand civilians in iraq, not to mention the figures from Afganastan wich we have been working at for longer, and dipped in to Pakistan.
if one conservatively estimates that the stats from Afganastan are equal, the United States of America has killed half a million civilians in a decade span.

While these figures arent finalized and will certainly change (higher if anything) as we are still engaged in "the war on terror", it raises a question for me.

How can we be a freedom loving democracy defending our homeland killing half a million people, while israel has killed similar numbers over sixty two years and is an oppressive aparthied occupation.
Same enemies, same difficulties in dealing with them.Yet our death toll is ok, but Israel's isnt

this isnt a rick roll type trick story, just wondering how this works.
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6 comments // IRAQ DEATH TOLL STATISTICS // Video

  • ArchDruid
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • ArchDruid:

      my entire narrative in seperating combat deaths from civilian i think serves to show that civilian casualties are horrible.that isnt in question unless your racist (not accusing, just saying).

      im just not understanding why if israel is so evil on this basis, how are we not worse by miles.not only why arent we suffering attacks like israel is in terms of public opinion, but who are we to even speak to it.
      americans calling israel savage is like monty python calling shakespeare immature.
      what am i missing is what allows a massively destructive entity to judge a lesser destructive one in those terms.

      how could i torture rape and murder people and then criticize some one who killed some one in selfe defense.i clearly wouldnt be able to present the value of life arguement as im guilty of the same, and at a worse level.

    • 1 year ago
  • ArchDruid
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • ArchDruid:

      i would go so far as to say one civilian death constitutes a travesty, forget large numbers.

      the thing is i too have no problem with israel attacking hamas at thier bases, but they dont have any that arent also civilian dwellings.any time hamas uses conscription instead of martyrs ill be all over israel for attacking civilian populations.as it is israel has no choice in this matter.kill thier civilians in order to kill them, or just let them keep killing your civilians.

      personaly i think we have had more opportunity to avoid civilian casualties but have taken the lower road.i mean israel has the man power to call ahead in an attempt to limit civilian kills, while we have yet to ever make such a phone call.i just dont understand how thier arent 5 or 6 stories attacking us for every one attacking israel on this basis as we are more guilty.

      as far as white phosphorous and depleted uranium, i see no need for it as bombs beat rocks any day of the week.it serves no functional purpose.

    • 1 year ago
  • ArchDruid
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • ArchDruid:

      heres the part i think where basic information becomes subject to implications.you seem (of course correct me of im wrong) to be seeing the story told as little gazans with small munitions against the big bad israel war machine, and in many regards that is true.hamas has zero soldiers or military endevours compared to israel who has the most advanced military in the world.

      the thing is though just as hamas has no military, israel has no jihadists.no meeting (in conflict) can ever be equal on either side.it is an impossablitiy, unless israel starts using jihadists, or hamas begins conscription.

      so israel's response to any attack will always, by default be excessive in comparison to what it recieved as the idf's lowest form of destruction is greater than hamas's greatest.just as our force in the middle east is excessive.we are responding to bullets with bombs too.it is inherant in the conflict.for proportional equality either the west devolves in to jihadists, or jihadists evolve in to soldiers, niether of wich are going to happen.

      the thing though is, hamas is on a non-stop quest to destroy israel, while israel isnt on a quest to destroy them.forget personal feelings on the matter, the acts alone state this intention. the palastinians have never ceased attacking israel, despite israel seldom attacking them.i mean they had to revolts,intefada one and two that were not met with retaliation, as well as 8 yrs of rocket luanchings before israel responded.
      israel scans gaza for munition markers via satalite then hits the locations from wich rockets are launched.if gazans are launching attacks from a shopping mall, that shopping mall recieves retaliation.that is a pretty important piece of info that gets over looked often in this conflict.

      i ask as always, what should israel be doing differently? all that exists is criticism with out alternatives.what is the thing that israel was supposed to do in order to defend itself that they failed to do?cuz we are doing the exact same thing to greater devastation with out getting anything close to the criticism israel does.show me the alternative action israel should be taking and im on board with saving lives, but it doesnt exist.

      as far as suicide bombings being less, notice when that happened (ahem barrier walls).not indicitive of the palastinians posing less of a threat as the blockade limited resources needed for suicide bombings, and access to targets.those who do get through are now just highjacking bulldozers and plowing down any and every jew they can.usualy they wait till a bus is around, cuz you know a car kills four max, a bus can be 40-50.

    • 1 year ago
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