Is God an Alien?
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Ultimately, the concept of religion is the creation of the so called serpent. If you truly examine religion you will see that it basically incites or instills fear at various levels within our psyche. This fear grows on many subtle levels but it also causes many of us to constrain ourselves into tight little packages of what we believe is and has to be. Somehow this enforces our sense of supreme importance and yet at the same time it diminishes our ability to access our true supreme potential. Life is not discovering who we are but rather it is creating who we become. Religion tends to smother and blind us from this intended ability which results in our inability to move forward. The planet is filled with people searching for more and yet so many are caught in a twisted game of fear, greed and deception. This energy being created spreads through out each of us and around the globe. In turn, it causes dissent, fear, animosity and eventually manifests in to global division, hatred and war. The true human potential is and was meant to be so much more than it is.
Is God an Alien? Perhaps, but in the end, we are aliens to our own true potential and purpose and in that sense, this makes us an alien to God.
So is there a God? For me, I say yes, there is a higher power but as to others, some say there is not. Does this really matter? Not really! Whether we believe God exists or whether we don't really doesn't change anything in the end. What we do and don't do, well, now that is an entirely different matter. Plain and simple!
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JuliusBC
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kennymotown
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JuliusBC:
Nicely said JuliusBC.
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kennymotown
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JuliusBC:
That was very nicely put Juliusbc, but to your notion of how believing in God or not doesnt really matter is off point. There is no way to move beyond traditional mankind until we accept the fact that we're alone. It shouldn't take a great awakening to realize that you need to be good now for no one but yourself. You say it doesn't matter and doesn't change anything in the end and that may be true, but what you should be thinking about is the now. Do you really want to be believing in a lie for your entire life? Well I don't want to call your religion of choice a lie... So, do you really want to engross your life in something that doesn't exist? Personally, I want to uncover the truth. And to say that we'll never know is ignorant. I believe in reality and natural occurrences. I've never seen anything supernatural or "holy". So I have no evidence of a "God" except for the Bible and other holy books. But what people need to realize is that the Bible is NOT a text book. It isn't a book of facts that took place in history. No. It's a book of stories that exemplify how people have lived their lives. Jesus may have walked the earth, but in all actuality is makes none the difference. Jesus taught the correct message and lead people in the right direction, but that doesn't mean he was "The Son" of god. The way I see it he was just a man and we are all "sons" of god.
I love your open mindedness, but i think that what you do and think now is what matters rather then when you die.
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jimbones2045
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On the contrary, believing whether there is or is not a God is immaterial because in the end you will have lived your life one way or another and what you believed will have no value.
Moving beyond the traditional man is possible whether we believe or not and is not contingent upon whether we find that we are alone or not. Religion is what generally holds people back from moving past the traditional man. Religion is full of illogical, unrealistic man made superstitions. This is what holds people back. Are we alone? Well that is subjective as evidenced by the numerous perceptions that abound. I don't believe we are alone as I have had to many experiences that elude to an afterlife.
Does this mean there is a God or higher power? I have had way too many experiences with what some would call the supernatural or holy or unholy to be able to ever pass it off. Some people have these kind of experiences and some never do but because of my experiences, I can not digress and blow them off. I have seen, heard, felt and interacted with not only human but animal spirits or entities. Does this prove there is a God? Not necessarily but it does elude to the fact that we are not alone and that there most likely is life after death.
My experiences have forced me to re-examine my initial position with the religion that was placed upon me as well as many other religions. In fact, my evaluation took me away from religion all together as none seemed to parallel adequately with my life's experiences and what I felt inside. Consequently, I have moved away from the traditional man's mindset and moved to something far more realistic, logical and supported by my numerous experiences. I have come to claim no religion and my belief in a higher power has only become stronger.
As I have said before, God is not religion and religion is not God; religion is a concoction of man and always has been. It seems that most if not all religious books have an agenda and have the purpose of manipulating mankind one way or another and uses fear and guilt to whip them into conformity. In the end, they generally provide the means for one group to ostracize one from another based on some difference or another and they invoke their God to assist them in destroying the other. Pathetic at best since few religions are exempt as witnessed by history!
I absolutely agree with you that what we do now is what matters, what we think is often what governs what we do but believing in God is not required. After we die, you are right, that is when the importance of what we have or have not done will be determined but again, what is important in life is not discovering who we are but who we in fact become before we die.
As a side note of trivia; I have been on a few ghost hunts lately and have been able to catch some evidence as to the existence of something besides what most commonly see or perhaps believe. The picture I attached with this response is one taken during a recent ghost hunt. It is a gathering of a number of so called Orbs. I will immediately post another taken at a cemetery. These are just a few of the more fascinating ones of many.
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An orb captured on film at a local cemetery.
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JuliusBC:
This is the cemetery orb enlarged.
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JuliusBC:
This is a close up of a portion of the first picture.
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JuliusBC
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Cubejam
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No, because there's no such thing as god.
The END.
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Cubejam
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gepma44
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Cubejam:
well said
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gepma44
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lasal
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I know… I posted my link twice:) on purpose. Because I wanted more users to have the chance to see what I think is the most important evidence of UFO’s out there. I mean I had my moments of skepticism, but the evidence is scientifically proven by American scientists. Here is another link of the investigation about Billy Meier:
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lasal
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Vierotchka
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lasal:
It has long been proven that Billy Meier was a fraud.
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Vierotchka
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lasal
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Vierotchka:
As it has been proven the contrary long time ago as well. As a law student I just have focused on the evidence. If a man without an arm has created so many videos with technology from the 70’s, it would have cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars, and he has no money.
The videos have no cuts and no Photoshop because it didn’t exist in the 70’s. I could go on, but as in a trial the jury makes the decision based on the evidence and I just know the case is real. I posted the link for you to make your own decision of course.
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lasal
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lasal:
He himself admitted it.
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lasal
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Vierotchka:
He never admited it was a hoax.
I have to tell everyone that many many people out there have dedicated to create counter evidence against the Meier case. Ultimately, when those skeptics were asked to prove their claims further, they all declined. If you want to see how they failed, visit www.theyfly.com.
Thanks for the links, though.
And this is my last post because I will never win and you are probably a 100% convinced that the case is not real.
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lasal
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gepma44
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THE DOGON TRIBE!!!!!!!!
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Ares
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Does it matter?
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Ares
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figgdimension
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Is that why John Mccain fears Mexicans?!
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jimbones2045
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People need to get over the idea that God is a man in the sky watchin our every move. It sounds like a fairytale. You know what God is? It's so simple and obvious that people seem to look right over it. God is Life. The fact that we are living and moving and breathing and have energy flowing in and out of us every second of every day is GOD. So, for all intensive purposes, the Sun is God. Without the sun the earth would not exist. Now I know what your thinking, "God created the sun." Wrong! The way I see things is that without life the earth would die, without the sun life would die causing the earth to die. It's only logical to come to the conclusion that without something the sun would die. What that something is idk. But it's there. It's just too big for us to comprehend what it is. What I mean is... Do you think an ant knows there's a giant populated city down the road from them? Hell no. They just live their lives serving the queen. It's the exact same with us. We see ourselves being big creatures that tower over many animals on earth, but don't you think there's something down the road from earth that's so big we cant understand what it is? The only difference between us and ants is that they live to serve the queen. They live to build a home and find food for the queen who, in turn, gives birth to everyone in the colony. They know their purpose. Continue their life at any means necessary. What's our purpose? We try to make it fancy and complicated by declaring that we are "made in God's image" and we are "God's chosen ppl." But we're not. We aren't special. The same life that runs through that tree outside your window flows through you.
So the idea that an alien dropped our DNA on earth like a farmer plants a seed doesn't sound too far fetched taking into account the magical and fantastical idea of the traditional God.
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jimbones2045
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jimbones2045:
Very nicely said!
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jimbones2045:
I like that idea, very similar to what I've always thought the "truth" might be. Rather than compare us to the ants though I think its more like our whole universe is just a grain of sand or a drop of water in some much bigger world. Kind of like the end of Men In Black when they open the locker door. Our universes entire existence could be a milisecond in the lifetime of whatever is out there....time is relative... They say the universe does have an edge, who's to say its not like a cell with other universes (cells) all around. We could be part of a piece of mold for all we know. The sun & all the stars could be the electrons & neutrons in our universe(cell)
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JuliusBC
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jimbones2045:
And in the end, whether you are right or wrong as to God's existence it doesn't really matter. What matters is how we live our lives and what we do with it. If there is no God then no harm no foul and if there is a God then if we did the right thing by the way we live our life, then all will go well.
Rather simplistic don't you think. It gets rid of all the "mumbo jumbo" bullshit we call religion and makes it an even playing field for everyone. Now that sounds more Godlike to me. It invokes fairness and free agency and puts each of us more in control of our own destinies based on our own choices and actions.
Logically and realistically this feels so much more in line with the probabilities than so much of what we as humans tend to follow so blindly.
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JuliusBC
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floydyboy:
Wait, waaait, but the Bible!
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JuliusBC
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JuliusBC:
I agree with you whole heartedly. I'm completely behind people who have faith in the traditional God. For them, it's a source of hope. When times get tough and they forget how to love themselves and everyone around them, they turn to God and learn how to love something so deeply and unconditionally that they learn to love themselves and, in turn, learn to love everyone around them.
I would love to see an Earth where everyone is at a common understanding of what it is we're actually doing here. But in reality one answer cannot satisfy the billions of people that walk the planet. And to give someone complete control over their destiny is a dangerous thing. Without the consequence of Hell people would be given free reign to decide for themselves where to draw the line between good and evil. With God, that line is set in stone (literally) using the ten commandments to suggest that God has spoken to mankind and has given a list of things never to do.
All I want is for people to question. If you have faith in God, I believe he would want you to question that faith. The point of our lives is to learn and without questioning EVERY possible option how can we learn? God wants us to learn and to be intelligent beings. That's the cycle of life. But we need to understand that we are much less intelligent than we think we are. So it isn't to hard for me to believe that we could be wrong about everything (existential wise).
So everybody, try thinking outside the box a little. Go outside your comfort zone. The only way to become smarter is go where you've never been.
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jimbones2045
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JuliusBC
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jimbones2045:
"To boldly go"!
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JuliusBC
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kennymotown
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This has been a fascinating topic, and during the course of this post I was turned onto several video's talking about the tenth plant making it's way toward us causing a great upheaval on our planet. Does anyone out there have more information on this situation?
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kennymotown
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remanns
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No. God is an Oklahoman Satanist.
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lasal
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The truth of the matter is this: 30 years ago a Swiss farmer was contacted by extraterrestrials who look like humans from this earth and communicated with him in order to give humanity a message: God as we think it is, doesn’t exist. God was an ancient title for a much evolved being that came from space. The Bible god was indeed a human being from outer space. Please click on the link if you are interested in reading about this man, who was allowed to take pictures of the extraterrestrials; evidence that was proven to be authentic by scientists back in the 70’s.
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lasal
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ThoughtNu
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lasal:
Although the information is relevant , you did post this earlier in the thread, voted down.
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MisterWizard - double vision... a likely story- voted up - 1 year ago
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ThoughtNu
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ThoughtNu:
maybe the only reason we see it twice is because everybody has double vision.
Vote this UP. Anything on Eddie "Billy" Meier is really worth seeing twice.
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artemis6
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I think it is sad so many people doubt the human capacity for imagination and intellect , so much so , that the achievements of the past are denied their due credit , and that credit heaped on those other creations of human imagination and intellect , unearthly symbols of transcendant powers ......
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artemis6
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idealist
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if not. they will be soon.
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NuclearLullaby
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Well of course!!! It just makes too much sense!!!
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God as an alien? I don't believe so. Aliens coming to earth and having a hand in the building of our civilisation? Possible. One thing this article forgets or doesn't realize is that most mythologies start out with some sort of void which some indescribable being turns into the universe and subsequently takes a backseat as its creations run amok. An alien coming to earth could easily be deified into a Roman-esque God or a biblical angel. That's probably how they would view *us* if we traveled back in time. Regardless of any third-party hand (that may or may not exist) in our creation, I view these creatures as separate from THE god, defined as the creator of (and in my opinion, exists as) our universe. Any aliens are Children of God, just as we are.
I have seen archaeological slideshows of some of the artifacts mentioned (and more), like the ancient world map. As the scientists describe it, these things are evidence that once a global and relatively advanced civilisation occupied this earth. Any other conclusions you draw from this evidence (such as how, why, and where it went) is only conjecture at this point. A Schroedinger's box that we cannot open yet, only drill little peep-holes.
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It's definitely feasible, it's pretty arrogant of us to think we have the only life filled planet in all the billions of galaxies.
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fauxsherrrr:
If it can happen once that means it is possible and therefore it can happen an unlimited number of times. That is only logical.
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JuliusBC
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Now this is of course a topic that we can only speculate on since noone can say with absolute certainty whether there is or is not a God. However from my own observations and rational thinking, i believe there is no God. At least no God as described in the Judeo-Christian religion.
However, there is more than likely alien life in the Universe, possibly even in our own solar system. With the finding of ancient life on Mars it seems extremely likely that life is not only possible to exist out in the cosmos but it may even be somewhat plentiful. With that said i sincerely doubt we will in any time soon encounter intelligent alien life. If they had the potential to travel the galaxy to find us then chances are they would stay away from our ass-backwards little planet.
I wouldnt rule out the possibility that intelligent alien life has visited us in the past either though. All across the world ancient civilizations have inscriptions of Gods in chariots and some pictures of what appear to even be flying machines. As far as i am concerned it is entirely possible that aliens have landed on our planet in the past and may have even interfered with human history.
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fun_size:
I find that problem with the teachings of the church is that it is so dogmatized that when one rejects the biblical god they have trouble, and indeed are often incapable of, comprehending a god different from the one they were taught (ironically often producing people who argue atheism in an equally ignorant and dogmatic fashion). Not really related to the article, just something your first paragraph made me think of.
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fun_size:
..."With that said i sincerely doubt we will in any time soon encounter intelligent alien life. If they had the potential to travel the galaxy to find us then chances are they would stay away from our ass-backwards little planet"...
...however, if through our behavior, were setting in motion, a cataclysmic event that may have repercussions for our galaxy, and so on, might "they" then intervene...
...silly question, with no answer, but I'm way out of my league in this thread, just speculating, fun_size...
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Jeremy_Benson:
I can certainly understand what you are saying. Its entirely possible that a "higher power" or ascended being exists. Like i said i just dont believe in the God portrayed by the Abrahamic religions.
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eden49:
Of course speculating is all we can do. Im not really sure how we as a species could set in motion a cataclysmic event in our galaxy though... as far as i know we only have the potential to exterminate ourselves so far. And if i were an advanced alien race i certainly wouldnt step in to save our species from its own stupidity. Hopefully "they" are more friendly than I...
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Jeremy_Benson:
What if God didn't create all things and what if there is a different God for each and every universe? It is not an impossibility, we can't prove it to be true or false. We can't prove that there is a God or that there is not so this also fits into the imaginations of "what ifs". What if each of those God's could be deemed as an alien? I guess in a sense they would be alien to this planet or universe as would ours to theirs.
So many possibilities which is most likely the reason for so man religions. When someone can't completely buy into what one religion is peddling then they break off and start a new one. In the end whether we believe there is a God or not will most likely not change much of anything in the end. Since, after we die we will then know and what is, is. If there is a God then how we lived our lives will most likely be the factor that governs our outcome. Otherwise all else taught and done by religion is subjective.
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JuliusBC
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Radical_Centrist
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This place is amazing. I posted a story last night called "Civil Rights Groups Challenge Obama’s Assassination List" I have no comments. This crap has 131. I would think an article about whether or not the President of the United States of America has the authority to kill a U.S. citizen without any criminal charge or trial is more important than whether or not God is an Alien or Fried Beer.
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EmperorThan
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So you're saying aliens don't exist?
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EmperorThan:
At the moment, "alien life" is mere mathematical probability, NOT a proven. Other than to say it probably exists, one cannot claim anything specific about it that isn't derived from limited knowledge available to humanity right here, right now.
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Naumadd:
I know I was making a joke saying that God didn't exist.
The book "The Eerie Silence" by Paul Davies is an amazing read if you want to know all about possible extraterrestrial life, intelligent or not.
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EmperorThan:
I hardly believe I'm going to be able to "know all about" extraterrestrial life from a book. I wonder where this man found out himself...... hmmm....
P.S. No god.
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I guess we will all find out soon enough
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It gets very sticky trying to share such a subjective concept with others when you figure in all the 59 structured religions, let me see if I can remember them;
1- Asia - Ainu,Hmong,Korea,Mansi,Mongol,Orok,Shinto,Taoism,Zen
2- Africa- Bakuba,Maasai,ManDinka,Voodoo,Yooruba,Zulu
3- Europe- Wicca, Finnish,Greek(classical), Norse
4- India- Buddhist, Hindu, Janisim,Sikh,Seurat Shabda Yoga
5- Pacific - Australian Aboriginal, Polynesian, Hawaiian,Maori, Tagalog
6- Mid East- Babylonian,Bahai, Egyptian,Hermeticism,Islam,Judaism and Christianity,Mandaeism,Zoroastrianism
7- North America- Kiowa Apahce,Aztec,Cherokee,Chocaw,Creek,Diqueno,Hop,Inuit, Iroquois,Lakota,Maidu,Navajo,Ojibwa,Seminole,Tlingit
8- South American - Inca, Mayan
9- Modern - Evolutionary Spirituality,Mormonism,Raelism,Randomness,Scientology...
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Then you have the estimated 4200 others world wide , not like i would know. That tend to alter peoples perspectives of reality, by manipulating the 70 axioms of possible interpretations, with our limited five senses through dogmatic ritual and reverence of speculation; in a world where science tells us that our environment is 'looking back at us?'???!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3e3_1283308378Throw in a cute red head with a calculator and work out the probabilities; i find it difficult to say with any conviction either way, but to completely exclude such possibilities in the face of a literal mountain of insufficient data, is self defeating I feel; it doesn't allow growth/change for new information. Unlike the 'Great Bubble Bath' we call our universe which is in constant flux ; each observed atom ,creates a bubble of 'conscious' reality throughout the eons of queried , observable space... For me, a new level of conscious dreaming materializes when I interact with the atoms that surround me, without 'them' being observed. Just an opinion of another life, lived.
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ThoughtNu:
The 'conscious mind' can make atoms across the universe react by simply observing them... i would say-
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ThoughtNu:
Well put !
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ThoughtNu:
Just interested in what makes those 59 regions "structured" and not the estimated 4200 others you mentioned? For example how can you consider the Bagonseye religion not structured and the Yoruba and Zulu religions structured? Or the Inuit structured and not the Naskapi? And how can such concepts of spirituality, randomness and evolutionary be considered structured religions? Basically what is the criteria for you to consider a religion structured?
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ThoughtNu:
If a supreme being exists (which I don't personally believe) I think your list of regional religions probably is the best proof that humans are perfectly capable of inventing something that makes us feel we're not alone. People really don't want to face that when we die it may be the end. That's the benevolent view. Many of the larger religions were only created as a means of controlling the populous, raising cash in the form of a "god tax", and finally a way to obtain power (the catholic church comes to mind).
When a church or doctrine is as powerful as a country and has as much legitimacy - I'd say that's pretty dangerous.
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existentialist:
Thank you kindly for pointing that out,
i am getting sloppy in my later years; I have made similar discrepancies in another post... THC residue? And missed the 2hour window for editing, so i can't simply change it...Well , at least people can see that I am fallible ; in an world that often prefers purging ones own humanity into an infallible automaton; I kinda like the flaws ...
Agreed, 'Structured', is an inaccurate term with regard to those belief systems. A more precise description would be 'recognized religious theologies/philosophies'.
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ThoughtNu:
You can say that. Others would agree. I recently read an interesting article (which unfortunately I'm still trying to find for you guys) suggesting that the photons of light we observe from distant stars seem to rearrange themselves specifically to be in that place and time and with the intent of/due to being observed. Carl Sagan appears to imply something similar in one of his episodes of "Universe".
Current science brings to light some heavy implications of the nature of reality and our ability to affect it.
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Jeremy_Benson:
Exactly , ... a PARTICLE of matter, to react from the void and the very edge of space to the eye's of beings on some obscure mud ball in a very ordinary galaxy, on the other side of the universe; IS very odd, if not the definition of literal magic, indeed. A fact of reality that many are unaware of, as they look into the night sky and ponder the concept of deity.
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ThoughtNu:
mY favorite response and thanks for including the north American native beliefs you rock!
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In Xenu we trust.
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Only when he(or her) visits Arizona ....LOL!
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figgdimension:
Any God that enjoys Sedona, Arizona is obviously not all knowing. hahahaha
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figgdimension:
I think attempting to define God with a pronoun (he/she/it) is silly. I've also read God defined as a verb. I think it's better to simply forgo trying to define God to anyone else but yourself.
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God is a primordial, a priori happening that enabled our big bang myth (and all other creation myths) to take place and engineered (not like a clockmaker) everything (and 'nothingness) to exist, it is the Tao, that which is infinite, a transcendent concept that is beyond precise comprehension
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I have yet to see any compelling arguments or evidence for the existence of deities, alien species or otherwise. It could be that advanced civilizations have been involved in our world, with those encounters misunderstood by humans as supernatural, but such a notion, as devoid of evidence as it is, carries the stamp of arrogant solipsism all too common in our thinking. It's more likely that our active imaginations and overpowering sense of self-importance lead us to conclude that the universe is all about us, or at least, that we have some important part to play in it if we accept some form of "secret knowledge" without evidence. This childish notion should not be taken seriously. I keep an open mind about alien life, even intelligent alien life, and there's no reason why it would be impossible for them to have visited us at some point in the past. But it's a claim without good evidence.
- 1 year ago
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H3ADLINE
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flyingkick
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Philip Dick went over this in "Valis."
The funny thing is that he was serious. - 1 year ago
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flyingkick
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Vierotchka
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Assuming that God exists, yes, by human definition God is indeed an Alien since "Alien" in this present context refers to scient beings not originating from Planet Earth. On the other hand, if God does not exist and only humans have invented God, then no, God is not an Alien since if God originated in the minds of humans, God does indeed originate from Planet Earth.
- 1 year ago
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Vierotchka
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keithponder
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Vierotchka:
I honestly said the same thing to myself just seconds before I read your qoute.
Things that make you go ..hmmm.....
- 1 year ago
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keithponder
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likeamazing
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HOW IS THIS #1?????????????? Michio Kaku would laugh at you.
- 1 year ago
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likeamazing
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ezrierin
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Wow, okay here we go again (for me). I have a scientific mind. I cannot believe in things I cannot measure in the real world, or simply, I adhere to the Scientific Method.
That being said, there is not one, two but three ways that there could be what some would describe as a “god.”
I will attempt to blob them all together for ease (there’s a laugh) of understanding.
“Hubble Bubbles,” statistics and time line collapse:
Since the universe is expanding at a faster rate, but relative to the speed of light, we on earth cannot as of now, see light beyond the distance light can travel to reach us as we too speed away at near the speed of light. In other words, there is infinite distance in space which we cannot see. Our Hubble Space telescope, and other light affiliated telescopes, can only see outward to a certain distance. For us it is as of now the limit, or our “Hubble Bubble.”
There is no reason to believe that the stars we can see, are the only stars out there beyond our Hubble Bubble. There would then be a statistical probability, that given infinitely small but expanding variations in the entire universe the possibility of an exact duplicate to our visible part of the universe is 10 to the 22 power (Discover Magazine, like 2001). Multiply that by the infinite universe, and we have countless doppelgangers out there folks, doing exactly what we are doing now.
Yet I spoke of infinite variations as well.
Infinite variations of infinite diversity would also be the case. As a result, there has to be an infinite number of Beings that have infinite power and knowledge, what one may call gods. However, their very existence would make them aware of each other and statistically make their combination into a singular and infinitely multiple Being, all a fact at the same “time.”
An infinite number of Hubble Bubbles must necessarily also have an infinite number of physical qualities which would give rise to physical influences which must make the universe, infinitely singular to the point of existence while not being detectable as something which exists.
This would make a condition wherein everything is infinitely one, yet at the same time, within the infinite/finite nature of the universe, we have infinite time, space and dimension. So we get to play around in the illusion of our realities. However, the illusion is the only thing which exists, and therefore is the only reality, or reality itself.
This would also explain the existence of the “gods” or “god” in the same way.
Since the universe is both infinitely singular and infinity large within that nature, we are our own gods. There is no separation between anything in the infinitely probable and therefore the infinitely real reality.
However, I have to make this point. Since we are one, and since we know that observation of atomic particles affect the time line from the “past” to the “present.” when you imagine a god, that god is as real as you imagine it. One could argue that if one imagines an infinite number of gods, then that has to be the case, even outside the imaginations of others. It is all true, it is all infinite, and it is all an infinite singularity, all at the same “moment.”
If you believe extraterrestrials are or were our gods, that becomes true. In fact it becomes true the moment I thought about it and through you the moment you read these words.
So too someone else’s god or gods cannot effect the non believer, because their infinite influence on the universe will make the universe the way they see it.
So then why can I not just imagine I can fly and do that? In a infinite universe with infinite realities, our corner of reality appears to have in it’s nature a certain perception that as a species cannot recognize this reality of our universe through our bodies senses.
Why? The influence of the “linear time” (an illusion and reality on the physical universe) allows for another aspect of what has to be part of the infinite universe. Consequently the conditions on our earth, had to exist in order to evolve us. We are a necessary part of the rule of infinites that is the universe. Otherwise the universe would not be infinite, which it is.
Our next step in human evolution must be to embrace the illusorily nature of the world around us, and the universe in general. Why? Because we imagined it into and consequently made it all real in our universe.
Your very perception and conceptions about this writing, have made you change the universe, from what it was, into what it always has been. And the “old” universe you perceived and conceived before you read this, is still in it’s nature part of the infinite universe. In fact, it is not to far fetched to see each and everyone of us moving between infinite universes. I liken it to all of us being caught up in an infinite fun house of mirrors. The mirrors are all connected, but we move ourselves, like an image in the mirror, from one universe to another. Hence we have universi. This is not to say the universi are not connected, as they would have to be as an infinite singularity. But within the singularity, the nature of the universi is to each behave as an individual universe. This description would suggest that there are no universi, but they sure appear or behave as separate universes.
Time, space and dimension is a direct result of a right hand angle, causing three dimensons, time and space and dimension(s). Those angles would be the fun house mirrors in my simplified example.
This would also mean that by the infinitely slightest measure of time, anyone you are talking to is infinitely changing. The guy you bought your coffee from yesterday, is not necessarily the same guy you buy coffee from today. The number of those guys, and their doppelgangers is also infinite and one with you and the entire universe consisting of universi.
I understand this, and there has to be, because of the rule of infinites, “extraterrestrials” that not only understand it like me, but better then me, up and including up to being as those gods that are one god as well.
So there is a god, there is gods, and “aliens” can be like the gods to us. However, when we can more consciously manipulate our environment to manage the universe around us, then we will be the gods or god, with “aliens.”
PS: This is why I cannot find a boyfriend. LMAO! - 1 year ago
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ezrierin
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kennymotown
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ezrierin:
That was incredible!
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kennymotown
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cztheday
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ezrierin:
Ez -- didn't understand your assertion that we are racing away at the speed of light. We are not traveling at the speed of light (whether speaking of Earth, the Sun, the Solar System or the Galaxy). Also, all these infinite duplicates depend on the theory that there is infinite matter in the universe, and we have no way of even suggesting that at this point. In the absence of sufficient matter, there can only be so many people.
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cztheday
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ezrierin
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cztheday:
My sorry, we are traveling away from everything at near the speed of light. As for the matter, it if infinite. It is a matter of collapsed time lines creating that time line(s). We just have not been able to understand or detect it better as of yet. Yet!
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ezrierin
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keithponder
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ezrierin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rBgLMK2gZs&feature=related
Maybe this will help you.
- 1 year ago
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keithponder
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ezrierin
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kennymotown:
Thanks! ;)
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ezrierin
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ezrierin
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keithponder:
Interesting.
- 1 year ago
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ezrierin
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Jeremy_Benson
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ezrierin:
I've got one question. It sounds simple, but I get different answers each time I ask it (which is why I love asking it).
How do you define "time"?
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Jeremy_Benson
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JuliusBC
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Jeremy_Benson:
One thing I know about time is each and every day has way to much time in it and at the same time not enough in it as well!
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JuliusBC
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ezrierin
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Jeremy_Benson:
Oh cool, interesting question, thanks!
Okay, time is relevant to human perception, conception and infinite variations in the natural universe.
Get into the event horizon of a Black Hole and you will watch the universe evolve in front of you at high speed. The movement of your atomic structure will be slowed down by the Black Holes “gravity.” For you, “time” would slow down in that place. Once you leave the event horizon, you would be in the “future” relative to your position in space and the influence of the perceived and conceived passage of time (actually the evolution of movement of matter), in that place.
Time line differentiations are also caused by observation of matter. Our observation actually effects matter. That matter occupies infinite positions in the universe, including any “former” positions. Therefore observation, or even conception and perception, affect the perceived and conceived time line, or history, of that matter. Our thoughts actually affect the time line we conceive and perceive as humans usually see as a static line involving past and present. - 1 year ago
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ezrierin
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Nephwrack
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Jeremy_Benson:
time is the measure by which we write our lives.
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Nephwrack
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JanforGore
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Seriously though, that's a deep question. For me, "God" is a concept that does not imply a specific identity I could touch or relate to outside of myself because for me God, or "Gnosis" is in all of us. It defines infinite wisdom and light, and all that brings us to enlightenment in knowing that problems can be solved if we look within ourselves instead of always looking outward. Looking outward only gives us excuses to be arrogant and selfish. So I don't know if there was once a god that was an alien, but I do know that for many the true concept of God in so much as actually practicing what they preach about "him" is alien to them.
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keithponder
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4Vqh-dOq04&feature=related
The Movie "Ben Hur' was made back in 1959. At 9 seconds into video it clearly tells and shows all of us that are wise enough to see that the North Star was actually a space ship. The Gospels tell us that the wise men followed a star across the country to find the Messiah. If in fact the star was not traveling across the sky, they could not have followed it anywhere.
Since NASA, Nikola Tesla, or GM,Chrysler,Toyota, Volkswagen, or any of the other car manufactures were not around at the time,..who else could have built the ship ?
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keithponder
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honusurf
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We are advanced microbes, here to feed on oil!
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ayipis
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onemalefla:
LOL..batlestar galatica? do you think anyone who can travel those great distances would need a "space ship" thats pretty human thinking..
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ayipis
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evertre
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i have considered this many times. it is more than scientifically feasible.
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evertre
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Naumadd
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evertre:
"more than scientifically feasible" would be a neat trick in that science studies all of nature through the human point of view. Do you have some ability to see things with something other than the human perspective and somehow beyond the object of science - all of nature?
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Naumadd
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UtopianSky
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First, you have to define "god".
If you mean the being in the Bible that talked to Moses in a burning bush, then no. That being does not show any signs of advanced intelligence- it is a creation of the myths of primitive nomadic people.
If you mean some being that created humanity, then, again, no- we evolved.
If you mean some being that established the first spark of life on this planet, then, well, maybe- but I don't think so.
If you mean some being that created our entire universe as a bubble within a black hole within their universe, perhaps entirely within a controlled environment like a laboratory- maybe.
But again, I don't think so.If you mean some being who loves us all and answers our prayers- heck no, that is just silly.
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UtopianSky
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Naumadd
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UtopianSky:
Great response. ^'d
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Naumadd
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BRAVATRAVELS
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UtopianSky:
Amazing response...
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ayipis
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UtopianSky:
actually if you think about it..if a god you expected is real..what makes you think it would give a shit about what you want and what you think..its seems like you have high exceptions from an higher entity to service your wants..
honestly think about it..step aside from the bible god....and read what you just wrote..it seems like your expecting a dr. phil genie with a gold to give..
maybe you cannot step outside of that "hate for religion" bubble to properly access what an "alien' would be
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ayipis
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UtopianSky
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ayipis:
As usual, you make huge assumptions that come from nowhere.
Where did I ever say that a god "I expected" WOULD "give a shit" about me?
Where exactly were MY "high expectations"?The only one hoping for a magical genie is you.
Ayipis, you really need to learn how to read, and to stop projecting your beliefs into what you read.
For example, read the very last sentence in my post.
That alone tosses your whole comment out the window.
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UtopianSky
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rebel_scum
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angels, aliens, etc...all from the 4th dimension.
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rebel_scum
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rebel_scum:
really? no fan of brad steiger or carl sagan? bummer.
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rebel_scum
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Naumadd
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"Supernatural being" or "extraterrestrial", the problem is the same - building a convincing argument for the thing you claim to be true.
Only the best evidence, best facts, only the best reasoning can do that.
Have at it.
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Naumadd
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ayipis
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Naumadd:
the very fact that we dont know much about our universe leads to a more convincing argument that there might be someone othere higher than us..its that usual human instinct that we are above the food chain.
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ayipis
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Naumadd
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ayipis:
Is this "might be" mere imagination or is it "might be" supported by something that is demonstrably true of nature and evident to both human perception and intellect?
As I've said, "possible" requires some measure of fact and reason to support it, otherwise, "possible" is pure imagination without substance or without referent in nature.
"Don't know much about our universe" is insufficient warrant to say that whatever we can imagine is "possible".
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Naumadd
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UtopianSky
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ayipis:
No, that is completely irrational.
The fact that we don't know much about the universe simply means we don't know much about the universe.
The fact that we DO know quite a bit about the universe, and what we know shows no sign of intelligent design or creation, and no interaction with any creator, means that if there IS some kind of magical being out in the unknown, it is rather insignificant to us.
And if it's insignificant to us, it does not fit most definitions of "god".
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UtopianSky
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MisterWizard
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http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/267106
BREAKING NEWS.
The Wizard Alien God is even responsible for the sex addiction out break. - 1 year ago
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MisterWizard
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cclark_productions
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think thats possible. it would explain the walking on water thing, because i could image that be something an alien might be capable of.
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eden49
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..."Chariots of the God(s)"...hey Jan...no BP...(giggles)...sorry, a bit of a stretch...
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eden49
