Islamist leader Burhan Hanif tells Aussie Muslims to 'shun democracy'
source: http://www.news.com.au/national/islamist-leader-burhan-hanif-tells-aussie-muslims-told-to-sh...
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British Hizb ut-Tahrir leader Burhan Hanif told participants at a conference in western Sydney yesterday that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.
"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif told about 500 participants attending the convention in Lidcombe.
"We should not be conned or succumb to the disingenuous and flawed narrative that the only way to engage politically is through the secular democratic process. It is prohibited and haram."
He said democracy was incompatible with Islam because the Koran insisted Allah was the sole lawmaker, and Muslim political involvement could not be based on "secular and erroneous concepts such as democracy and freedom".
His view was echoed by an Australian HT official, Wassim Dourehi, who told the conference Muslims should not support "any kafir (non-believer) political party", because humans have no right to make laws.
Mr Dourehi also urged Muslims to spurn the concept of moderate Islam promoted by governments in the West, including in "this godforsaken country" of Australia.
"We need to reject this new secular version of Islam," he said. "It is a perverted concoction of Western governments.
"It is a perversion that seeks to wipe away the political aspects of Islam and localise our concerns. We must reject it and challenge the proponents of this aberration of Islam."
The conference, which followed the theme The struggle for Islam in the West' was the first major event held by the Australian branch of HT since a seminar in 2007 which coincided with calls for the group to be banned.
HT is outlawed in much of the Middle East but operates legally in more than 40 countries, campaigning for the establishment of a caliphate or Islamic state.
HT's platform rejects the use of violence in its quest for an Islamic state, but supports the military destruction of Israel.
But the group's presence sparked angry protests outside as members of the Australian Protectionist Party (APP) yelled anti-Islam chants.
The APP met in a small park to express their need to "protect" the Australian way of life.
Conflict between the APP and HT amounted to an exchange of words, anti-Islam chants and the occasional drive-by of young Muslim men yelling obscenities from their car at the APP protesters.
One passer-by, a young Muslim man, yelled at the APP group: "You people have absolutely no idea", sparking a fiery exchange of accusations and finger-pointing.
Nick Folkes, the Sydney organiser for the APP, believes that the HT should be banned in Australia and thinks that practising sharia law should be illegal in Australia.
"Sharia law is an archaic legal system that treats woman as second-class citizens," he said.
"We're not asking them to change their skin colour or religion. But if they come here, they must reject sharia law."
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freecrack:
I do believe you brought that one home for me freecrack, and I am obliged. ;-)
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freecrack
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Incredulous:
see im turning into a troll.
shit if israel gets into some actual shit again like the flotilla ill end up the jj of jews, just ranting like a mad man.
not implying you dont think for yourself, but hey im just some schmuck.thank me not im just passing information. check my shit for flaws.i would hate to be being lied to and further spreading it like the islamophobes and zion haters.its true and might get me the asshole badge with all the right wing islamophobes and lefty jew haters.
(thats really the best i got throw me a sympathy down vote) - 1 year ago
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freecrack
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eden49
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...bloody dickheads...I think I posted it mainly for it's comedic content...
...Qantas Airbus warming up...and let our boot hit you all in arse on the way out...
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eden49
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KSirys
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People like this jackass, need to get their own island and rule the plants and rocks that are going to obey and listen....
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UtopianSky
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If he feels that way, why does he live in Australia?
Australia is a free country, so he should move to Iran,
which has a government more to his liking. - 1 year ago
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UtopianSky:
Exactly. He's free to go back to any of the Islamic countries he wants, right? Why stay somewhere that is diametrically opposed to your beliefs?
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UtopianSky:
whats up with all the muslums in europe complaining about how tyranicaly unjust they are?
its not like europe asked them to come there. - 1 year ago
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freecrack
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2hellnwait
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Crikey mate, how could it be otherwise? Democracy Has always been a total anathema to Islam.
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2hellnwait:
would you say that about judaism, cuz as traditions they are almost one in the same
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freecrack:
"as traditions they are almost one in the same?"... I disagree
You persist in your Islam apologetics freecrack, and because you profess to be a Jew I find it perplexing that you feel that Judaism and Islamism traditions as "almost" one and the same... when in my opinion that is totally disingenuous, although their original heritage may have been similar in the beginning, that has not been the case for scores of centuries.
Throughout the passage of time Judaism has made gargantuan strides moving themselves forward for the benefit to humanity, whereas Islam has plundered and reaped horrendous destruction to the total detriment of the whole of many of the great societies throughout history, as you very well know... just as they continue to this day.
But hey, what the hell... it's all immaterial depending on your perspective, right?
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ahiguy:
i know what you mean, but im no apologist as i dont see islam as having done anything more wrong than any other religion.if thier existed a religion that had all perfectly happy people at harmony with thier existance i would fault all others.being as islam is mired by the same flaws christianity, and judaism have been subject to, and no actual scale exists by wich rightiousness can be quantified, it is just another in a series.
for all i know islam could be 100% correct or %100 wrong, but until im dead i dont get to state that as fact either way.what i can how ever state as while jihad is islam,islam is not jihad.if jihad were a prolific element to islam, islam wouldnt exist.the only way islam could exist is if no muslum ever had a conflict with another muslim, cuz they would be issuing fatwahs and commiting jihad to extinction.and we all know pretty damn well that the middle east has never been a conflict free area, no less 1400 hundred years of tranqulity.the traditions are the same, but the cultures are vastly different.just like the falasha jews were unrecognizable to contemperary jews.the ethiopian following of judaism had some different african specific stories, and ceremonial dress and process that is unlike any judaism practiced any place else.israel waited till they could do genetic testing before opening up its borders to them they were so different.
as tradition goes, who else keeps kosher.who else observes the sabbath.who else faces west when praying.who else keep thier heads covered.i mean really "allah is great" and "lord king of the universe".jews and muslums are two sides of the same coin.i know you arent gong to agree with this, but that is the case with all religion.the jews, the christians,and islam have thier intillectual periods, and devolved dark periods.while christianity was blossoming in europe before the dark ages, judaism languished and didnt progress for almost a thousnd years.from 1000 to the 1500's judaism had an intillectual revival with more teachings to understand than ever before.lithuanian rabbis are revered to this day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rabbis#Rabbis:_Middle_Ages
christianity then had its burst with martin luther, but after a few crusades and an inquasition.
islam has had its intillectual periods that gave birth to civilization as we know it to algebra.they have commentaries on the quran just as we have on our books, but fundamentalists have erradicated them presently.kind of like galaleo and other such heritics.is jihad part of islam, yes.is martyrdom part of christianity yes as christianity is based on it in jesus's self sacrifice for a higher purpose.it doesnt mean that when some christians do evil things it is because christianity is evil any more than the 20% of muslims being in a state of violent disarray mean islam is that.
i dont see jihad as islam, but more like the kkk.exploitation of of the religion. - 1 year ago
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ahiguy:
I agree. Yeah they share a common ancestry, but apart from that their ideologies are pretty different. Besides that (and like you pointed out) Jew (at least in modern times in western culture) have worked for the betterment of society, whereas Islam even in the modern era carries over barbaric practices, punishments, demands, rules, and regulations on its people that prevent so much of their culture from prospering in a modern society. Obviously there are huge exceptions to that, but for Islam it the exception whereas with Jews it's more or less the norm.
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freecrack:
The story showing an 8 Year Old having his right arm run over by a truck for stealing BREAD made me sick. That IS ISLAM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDkSp09LrAw - 1 year ago
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musicjohnny:
but is that cultural or religious, cuz our homegrown muslums, just like our homegrown jews are americans first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbOZcKhkfEA
just a smattering of this.i mean kareem abdul jabar in airplane alone tells me islam exists just as all else does.
aside from religious ceremonies the jewish culture fits with ours as american jewry is represented mostly by european jews.sharing the same cultural backround as the rest of the countries majority.had islam assimilated its culture (not religion mind you) with european culture as jews had it would be the same thing here as jews are.ice cube and mohamed ali are no more of another culture than adam sandler or mel brooks. - 1 year ago
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Sparky2U:
and just this last week in the name of hinduism a young girl was made to walk nude while being molested and abused for ten miles as punishment.when you read your bible who was jesus stopping from stoning sinners, jews.
christians burned people alive based on the crime of witchcraft.
this isnt unique to islam, but prevelant in any fundamentalist society especialy poor ones.
are you really that comfortable with such a narrow view of events really?based on this video it seems you can handle theync.com.
check it out and see how much of its inhumane content is islamic. - 1 year ago
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