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50 Mind Blowing Facts About America That Our Founding Fathers Never Would Have Believed

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If our Founding Fathers were alive today, what would they think of America? Surely they would be very proud that the United States stretches from the Atlantic to the Pacific and has built some of the most amazing cities that the world has ever seen. They would probably be surprised that the country they founded went on to become the greatest economic machine in the history of the world, and they would be absolutely astounded by things like our interstate highway system and the Internet. However, there are quite a number of things that they would be horrified about as well. The fact that over 40 million Americans are dependent on the federal government for their daily food would be deeply disturbing to our founders. Also, the fact that the U.S. government has accumulated the greatest mountain of debt in human history would be incredibly distressing to George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and the rest of the founders. But perhaps most of all, our founders would be absolutely disgusted that the land where Americans could once be free to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness has become so tightly regulated and controlled that Americans dare not even squeak without the permission of the federal government.

Needless to say, our founders would certainly not understand many of our institutions or many of the advanced technologies that we have today. But without a doubt they would be able to grasp how far we have fallen as a nation and how far we have strayed from the fundamental principles that they enshrined in our founding documents. The United States is a much different place today than it was in 1776, and unfortunately many of the changes have been for the worse.

The following are 50 mind blowing facts about modern America that our Founding Fathers never would have believed….

#1 In 2010, not only does the United States have a central bank, but it also runs our economy and issues all of our currency. The Federal Reserve has devalued the U.S. dollar by over 95 percent since 1913 and it has been used to create the biggest mountain of government debt in the history of the world.

#2 The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit has ruled that U.S. government agents can legally sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, place a secret GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of you everywhere that you go.

#3 The 50 wealthiest members of Congress saw their collective fortunes increase by 85.1 million dollars to $1.4 billion in 2009.

#4 The U.S. government has accumulated a national debt that is rapidly approaching the 14 trillion dollar mark.

#5 All over the United States, asphalt roads are being ground up and are being replaced with gravel because it is cheaper to maintain. The state of South Dakota has transformed over 100 miles of asphalt road into gravel over the past year, and 38 out of the 83 counties in the state of Michigan have now turned some of their asphalt roads into gravel roads.

#6 Americans now owe more than $849 billion on student loans, which is more than the total amount that Americans owe on their credit cards.

#7 In 2010, Americans waste an astounding amount of food. According to a study by the California Integrated Waste Management board, 63 percent of the average supermarket’s waste stream is food. When you break that down, it means that each supermarket wastes approximately 3,000 pounds of food each year.

#8 The city of Cleveland plans to sort through curbside trash to ensure that people are actually recycling properly. If it is discovered that some citizens are not recycling they will be hit with very large fines.

#9 Once upon a time, U.S. industry was the envy of the world. But since 1979, manufacturing employment in the United States has fallen by 40 percent.

#10 Even though the U.S. population has exploded in size, the number of Americans with manufacturing jobs today is smaller than the number of Americans who were employed in manufacturing in 1950

#11 Having one out of every eight Americans enrolled in the food stamp program is now considered “the new normal” and Americans continue to drop into poverty in astounding numbers.

#12 One out of every six Americans is now being served by at least one government anti-poverty program.

#13 A family of four actually has difficulty surviving on an income of $50,000 a year in America in 2010.

#14 Barack Obama is backing a proposal to create a national database that will store the DNA of all individuals who have been arrested, even if they end up not being convicted of a crime.

#15 In 2010, it takes the average unemployed American worker over 8 months to find a job.

#16 The U.S. government has made some parts of Arizona off limits to U.S. citizens because of the threat of violence from Mexican drug smugglers. The federal government has actually posted signs more than 100 miles north of the Mexican border warning travelers that certain areas are unsafe because of drug and alien smugglers.

#17 One recent survey of last year’s college graduates discovered that 80 percent moved right back home with their parents after graduation.

#18 In one of the very first military commissions held under the Obama administration, a U.S. military judge ruled that confessions obtained by threatening the subject with rape are admissible in court.

#19 The average American worker now pays literally dozens of different kinds of taxes each year....

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The article is originally from "the Economic Collapse Blog". At the site each enumerated point contains bolded words hyperlinked to articles for further reading.


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  • PressCore
    • +1
      PressCore  

    • Number(s)26, 31, 33, 37,and 41 are graphic evidence that we live
      in a country raped by uber rich, their corporations, and their politics
      prostitutes. One so distorted that the founding fathers and other
      Presidents whose faces are on Mt. Rushmore wouldn't even know
      it was the same country if they were alive today to see it. The fact
      that the Oakland police dept. is so underfunded it can't respond to
      and investigate Burglaries is deplorable beyond words. Murders
      occur during Burglaries.

      And the idea that the Gummint has been so badly corrupted and
      compromised that they allow a derivatives market to gamble in 600
      Trillion to 1.5 Quadrillion " dollars " is the most financially irresponsible
      sabotage to the USA I've ever heard of. That colossal threat to the
      REAL national security is so horrid that in any other country where
      the rule of law is honored and strictly obeyed as patriotic, they'd be
      lined up against a wall and shot by a military tribunal for that.

      I've seen celluloid newsreels dating to the early 1920s where in
      Germany people couldn't buy a loaf of bread with a wheelbarrow
      of worthless currency. That's exactly the condition those maniacs
      are waiting for to declare martial law. They've been hyperinflating
      our money with their Fed fiat money counterfeiting scam for such
      a long, long time that they now deal in incomprehensible derivatives
      valued in also incomprehensible dollar amounts. There isn't that
      much money in existence in all the world's countries & their underworld
      economies. That valuation would bankrupt every Government, Bank,
      and Insurance company in the entire world if they were called upon
      to rebuild after another World War. The inmates are running the
      asylum on Wall St. No wonder California is bankrupt. The U.S.
      Government is $14 Trillion beyond bankruptcy. Total public & private
      debt exceeds $365 Trillion. How does one maintain as a well adjusted
      adult in a world gone mad where greed squeezes people to the breaking
      point, and people go on ignoring it ??? Something's got to give,and soon.

    • 1 year ago
  • remanns
    • 0
      remanns  

    • Number 10 is just pathetic. No. 28 is simply a likely future reality.
      p.s. You could certainly make a number of lists like this,...all with a different emphasis,....this particular one would not necessarily be my favorite.

    • 1 year ago
  • galwayman
    • 0
      galwayman  

    • America has already fallen! our rights stripped away,a serving president who is not Constitutionally qualified to serve,an evolving police state, a government that doesn't serve the people only the rich elite,and a total disregard for our values and our freedoms,giving in to Muslim terrorist threats,it all foretells that the end of our nation is ongoing,and we have no one to blame but ourselves because we have let it happen!

    • 1 year ago
  • juicie
  • ikkibu_emuqa
  • ColossalView
  • cclark_productions
  • ahiguy
    • -6
      ahiguy  

    • Great post, it didn't take long for the leftist to begin their poisonous socialist vitriol... no surprise to those of us who are politically, economically and socially responsible citizens (you know, the ones who don't believe that we are 'entitled' to the govt's teat to meet our every 'need'!)

    • 1 year ago
  • trut
  • hombre76
    • 0
      hombre76  
    • ahiguy:

      Not entitled to the governments money? You are for sure the biggest idiot ever we all pay taxes (you know our money?) so ya I think we are most defiantly entitled to it. what you and you conservative Un-American friends are bitching about is that this administration is not elusively handing it over to your fucking corporations and are actually putting it back into the states and counties where it belongs. the amazing thing is that you are getting the lions share in wall street but your fucking banks wont loan out the fucking money to stimulate the economy and your fucking republicans block every measure that attempts to stop this black mail by wall street and you corporate backed the Koch brothers and C street religious revisionism where Jesus wants the rich to be rich and rule all us lesser folk. God how you hypocrites never stop with your Bullshit.

    • 1 year ago
  • ahiguy
    • 0
      ahiguy  
    • hombre76:

      Spoken like a true Alinskyite, a true parasite who feeds on the blood, sweat and tears of hardworking mainstream America.
      To take from those who strive to better themselves and disperse it to those who do nothing, yet who feel they are 'entitled' to other peoples money just because they live their lives as 'victims' and thereby deserving of 'income re-distribution'... is nothing but theft, no matter how it is justified.
      Pathetic... absolutely pathetic!

    • 1 year ago
  • hombre76
  • nursediesel
    • +1
      nursediesel  
    • ahiguy:

      And they voted you down, quickly, too. 'Never opened to listening to someone else's opinions... too bad! Our founding fathers would be very sad that we have allowed this to happen by becoming slowly compliant with the insidious indoctrination into giving the government control over our income and our property. As if they could ever know what better to do with it!

    • 1 year ago
  • Nick19
    • +2
      Nick19  

    • The Founding Fathers were not united under one ideology and in fact there were those within the group who hated each other. Most importantly though is the fact that our modern day society is so unbelievably alien compared to their time. Large Corporations didn't exist (unless you count Joint Stock companies), credit cards didn't exist, and so on and so fourth.

    • 1 year ago
  • nursediesel
    • +1
      nursediesel  
    • Nick19:

      Yeah, Thomas Jefferson disliked Alexander Hamilton and his Federalists because they wanted a centralized federal reserve bank. The government then could have control over the country's money and debt...He got it! Jefferson did not reinstate it but Madison did. (Madison and Jefferson agreed to disagree regarding this issue. Those two remained friends.) It's still running us in debt and sleeping with the money men from day one!

    • 1 year ago
  • ImConcerned
  • nursediesel
  • H2O_4U
    • -4
      H2O_4U  

    • The founding fathers were racist slave owners and the constitution was only a piece a paper meant to be built on with more progressive and egalitarian laws (not to be trampled by corporations)

    • 1 year ago
  • jeffreyak
  • libertyforall
    • +2
      libertyforall  
    • H2O_4U:

      Seems you are learning your history from MSNBC.

      By the way, those politicians are the ones who allow corporations to trample our laws. The same politicians the American people continue to elect

    • 1 year ago
  • Brockula
    • +3
      Brockula  
    • H2O_4U:

      u really r a rabble rouser huh? Slavery didn't exist in the colonies until 1664 when a BLACK man sued his indentured servant to make him his slave, he won thus setting the legal precedent for slavery. This was in VA and there is a court record of it...

      Africa had a LONG HISTORY of slavery long before any where shipped to US

      The idea of a white slaver running through the African interior and ripping apart families is pure bull. The slavers where mostly muslim ( the interior of africa was referred to as "White Mans Graveyard" for all the illnesses that they did not have immunity to.

      The slaves where mostly POWs form tribal warfare, sold by the winners to the muslim slavers who had agreements with the tribal chiefs.

      Only about 2% of african slaves went to america, over 20% to the Caribbean and 60% (!) to Brazil.

      About 2% of whites owned slaves, 28% of freed blacks owned slaves.

      There where more white slaves then black.

      The world itself has a long history of slavery, this is nothing unique to america. Hell, jesus said "treat your slaves well" not " dont have slaves" (just saying)

      I'm sure you will say I am racist but maybe you should stop getting your facts from "Roots". God I hate that series....

      No evidence exists that slaves where forced to change their names.

      Slaves where actually treated fairly well, in fact many where able to earn their own land from the master and allowed to work it freely as they see fit. A wonderful black women I work with has land in her family dating back to that.

      Anyhow, IMHO, what happened AFTER slavery was ended was FAR worse. The segregation, lynchings, beatings, state mandated (and sanctioned murder), those where the true atrocities.

      Jesus ppl, read a book..

    • 1 year ago
  • hombre76
    • -1
      hombre76  
    • Brockula:

      "Slaves where actually treated fairly well"

      this bit alone invalidates everything you write and shows the depth of you ignorance rearding the topic on which you speak.

    • 1 year ago
  • hombre76
  • ozoneocean
    • +2
      ozoneocean  
    • Brockula:

      We have just entered the twilight zone O_o

      Wow, I really wish MY family had been sold into slavery in the old days, that would've been sooooo cool. Maybe we can have slavery again now? I really want to have someone else own, miss-treat me and sell off any children I might have. Don't you?

    • 1 year ago
  • trut
  • mitekillem
    • 0
      mitekillem  
    • hombre76:

      It doesn't matter if slaves were treated like family, they had No Freedom. -And that's just Un-American.
      No matter if they were allowed to run errands, eat at the table, make money, buy land, whatever, they were someone else's property. No one individual should belong to another, and no person should be able to buy that commodity.

    • 1 year ago
  • ThresholdBroken
  • ThresholdBroken
  • RastusJr
  • libertyforall
  • hombre76
  • hombre76
    • 0
      hombre76  
    • ThresholdBroken:

      American Imperialist Capitalism Has killed or enslaved the entire world and all eveyone got was more of the same and because we are so fucking poor we have use that fucking tee shirt to wipe our ass.

    • 1 year ago
  • ThresholdBroken
  • hombre76
  • ThresholdBroken
    • 0
      ThresholdBroken  
    • hombre76:

      Unfortunately it is just an illusion, just as is this puppet show you call politics.
      Superior technology will enslave us all (as if not already).

      The ultimate goal for elites is to wipe out the vast majority by means of an idiopathic pandemic brought to you by a man-made lab-made virus that will unleash rapid depopulation.

      If you think not, than you have no idea what terrifying biological, chemical and state of the art weapons that no civilian can even imagine.

      I am absolutely apathetic toward your or any other agenda/goal/cause. It is useless.

      You don't think that the logistics of transferring basic needs(primary food) can be disrupted and halted.

      High energy microwave weapons........ in Iraq there was a car with two occupants in it that were mangled as if blow up by a explosive device...... but the car was intact and not damaged at all.

      Irish, French,Spanish,Italian,Yaqui, Mazahua,........ eres meztizo ? puro Indio?

    • 1 year ago
  • libertyforall
  • nursediesel
    • +1
      nursediesel  
    • Brockula:

      Reading the diaries of Lewis and Clark. The interpreter Sacajawea was captured by theMandans/Minnetarees indians and sold to Touissant Charbonneau, the trapper, as a slave. Tribes did this to other tribes all over the world. The Dutch were trading goods to Africa and brought back slaves sold to them by other Africans who sold the people from other tribes for financial gain. They didn't initially go there to get slaves, as bad as it sounds: it was an added bonus to bring back an import....rather than an empty hull.

    • 1 year ago
  • PressCore
    • 0
      PressCore  
    • Brockula:

      I watched a movie copyrighted 1966 starring Cornell Wilde as
      The Naked Prey ostensibly set in the 1800s. In it, it depicted
      whites with turbans and blacks with turbans as their armed thugs
      invading an African village to destroy their homes, and abduct
      women & children, and any males they couldn't kill. Slavery is
      an extremely old racket. You are correct.

    • 1 year ago
  • ThresholdBroken
    • -6
      ThresholdBroken  

    • There won't be a dystopia at all........... I mean you need people for it to be a dystopia right?

      What I mean is that a lab made virus will be released upon the public and wiping out a vast majority in an idiopathic pandemic.

    • 1 year ago
  • simall08
  • ibrake4rappers13
    • +4
      ibrake4rappers13  

    • I would also like to add this because this topic seems to be coming up alot in this thread

      "From Indentured Servitude to Racial Slavery"

      "We sometimes imagine that such oppressive laws were put quickly into full force by greedy landowners. But that's not the way slavery was established in colonial America. It happened gradually -- one person at a time, one law at a time, even one colony at a time.

      One of the places we have the clearest views of that "terrible transformation" is the colony of Virginia. In the early years of the colony, many Africans and poor whites -- most of the laborers came from the English working class -- stood on the same ground. Black and white women worked side-by-side in the fields. Black and white men who broke their servant contract were equally punished.

      All were indentured servants. During their time as servants, they were fed and housed. Afterwards, they would be given what were known as "freedom dues," which usually included a piece of land and supplies, including a gun. Black-skinned or white-skinned, they became free. "

      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1narr3.html

    • 1 year ago
  • Brockula
  • ozoneocean
    • 0
      ozoneocean  

    • This part is hilarious!
      "However, there are quite a number of things that they would be horrified about as well. The fact that over 40 million Americans are dependent on the federal government for their daily food would be deeply disturbing to our founders."

      Are you high? They'd be wondering why those people weren't slaves.

    • 1 year ago
  • jeffreyak
  • ibrake4rappers13
    • +2
      ibrake4rappers13  

    • Its nice to see that the founding fathers are a topic of conversation here on current. I would like to share a letter Benjamin Franklin wrote to Yale university regarding his religion.

      "Here is my Creed: I believe in one God, Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by his Providence. That he ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable Service we can render to him, is doing Good to his other Children…. I think the System of Morals [devised by Jesus] and his Religion as he left them to us, the best the World ever saw, or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupting Changes, and I have with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his Divinity"

      Letter from Benjamin Franklin to Ezra Stiles

      March 9, 1790

      http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/44/Letter_from_Benjamin_Franklin_to_Ez...

    • 1 year ago
  • Brockula
  • hombre76
    • +5
      hombre76  

    • "But perhaps most of all, our founders would be absolutely disgusted that the land where Americans could once be free to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness has become so tightly regulated and controlled that Americans dare not even squeak without the permission of the federal government."

      First off when you spew this type of hyperbole garbage anyone reading that has a thinking mind tunes you out immediately because it is completely obvious that your state meant is total BULLSHIT.

      Second how fucking pompous and arrogant to assume to know a thing about the minds of our nation's founders or their feelings on any number of things that have happened since their time on this earth. Not only would you have us believe that you are more American than us (something the founders would truly find appalling IMHO), But that you are mind readers as well who can channel the thoughts and feeling of our country's founders on subjects beyond their time.

      Here a history lesson my fellow citizens; the natives of this nation set down sparse laws that where never set in stone as they believed each generation must face its own obstacles and as such should have the ability to deal with them in there own way unburdened by tradition and dogma. So too did the founding peoples and generations of Americans that followed, many having escaped the enslavement of such traditions and dogma in their home lands. This is the true founding of this country the reason why the constitution was not set in stone so that it might be filled or emptied as necessary and not held to like some new form of the Ten Commandments.

    • 1 year ago
  • ezrierin
    • 0
      ezrierin  

    • They are DEAD! I am more concerned with the right wing corporate dictatorship we have to fight, just like the Founding Fathers were concerned and fought the dictatorial British in 1776. Hopefully it will not come to muskets this time.
      NO ONE has a phone line, or crystal ball, or Ouija board that can tell us what they would thing of us from the great beyond.
      We can only learn from them by their works, their deeds, subject to their own times. If we then reflect and compare such works and deeds to our times, then we may find common ground in human decency, dignity, democracy and the just rule of law. Moreover, to that end, for all we know, Jefferson and the lot may have found our charity for the poor in the US today to be right and proper. I would like to think such folks would embrace such common decency.
      However, they are dead. The road is now ours to navigate. May we choose dignity, decency, democracy and justice.

    • 1 year ago
  • littlelumpo
  • JohnA
    • +3
      JohnA  

    • There is of course no way to know what the founding fathers would have thought about any of that. Still makes for pretty scary list though.

    • 1 year ago
  • unimatrix0
    • +11
      unimatrix0  

    • The founding fathers would also be amazed at the number of Americans claiming to be Christian fundamentalists. They would be amazed that people still believed in the virgin birth, the resurrection, and all the other supernatural malarkey.

      The founding fathers were children of the enlightenment, and they would have found the depths of religious superstition present in America today appalling.

    • 1 year ago
  • JohnA
  • UtopianSky
  • JohnA
    • 0
      JohnA  
    • UtopianSky:

      Well, I see your point. I'm not a religious person by any means, but religion does have it's place. I can understand when it helps people get through hard times, the lose of a loved one, it is good to teach not to steal and murder. It's not all bad. But I know what you mean.

    • 1 year ago
  • NeogenesisFortuna
    • +1
      NeogenesisFortuna  
    • Image

    • US NATIONAL DEBT: (real time)
      http://i2.crtcdn1.net/images/spacer.gif

      I imagine they'd also be shocked to discover;

      51.) The United States of America has the greatest prison population in the world, and also the highest incarceration rate in the world... (As of 2008, there are 754 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents, or 0.75% of the population. An astonishing 70 percent of the prisoners in that number are non-whites.)

      52.) Today, developing nations are now responsible for about 48% of Global GDP (gross domestic product), which is 61.1 trillion, and are predicted to reach 60% by 2025, according to leading economists. In perspective, the US' GDP is about 14.5 trillion dollars per year.

      53.) US TOTAL Debt, despite producing 23% of Global GDP, is also almost 54 trillion dollars, or 372% of what the US produces in a given year - not including the over 200 billion dollars of additional interest constantly adding on to our debt.
      http://www.usdebtclock.org/

    • 1 year ago
  • CalgarC
    • +4
      CalgarC  

    • i have always known our founding fathers would go crazy, possibly even be suicidal if they knew what was going on. hell Washington would grab a gun and start another revolution... that list is freaky

    • 1 year ago
  • littlwarrior
    • +1
      littlwarrior  

    • Yes and our foudning fathers lived in a different time and a different world, what would they think of computers? Or cars that go so fast they break the soundbarrier. What would they think of airplanes? Nuclear Bombs? A black president? There are many things that would confound the founding fathers, change with the times folks or just die its up to you. Oh and the federal reserve was started the first time by Alexander Hamilton, one of the authors of our current constitution. Just saying.

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
    • +15
      UtopianSky  

    • Um, the founding fathers would also be shocked we have made slavery illegal, women are equal to men, and a black man is president.

      Not all change is bad.

      And Ben Franklin would have LOVED the iPad.

    • 1 year ago
  • Dagum
    • +1
      Dagum  
    • UtopianSky:

      I won't dispute the iPAD claim

      But our founding fathers would not be at all be surprised we made slavery illegal. Many founders wanted to abolish the slave trade during the constitutional convention. Unfortunately they feared southern states would revolt and our fledging country would far apart just as soon as it started.

      So they compromised with the southern states by including section 9 in Article I of the Constitution which allowed congress to abolish the slave trade after 1808.

    • 1 year ago
  • thetrimsmith
  • RastusJr
    • 0
      RastusJr  
    • UtopianSky:

      Some may would be shocked. As far as collectively, hardly.
      The practice was quite the paradox and the federalists and the nationalists both new it.
      It was left in the corner not to pacify the slave owners, but to appease the slave sellers as it was they who had the power and the money needed to fund a revolution.

    • 1 year ago
  • shippit5
  • EmperorThan
    • +2
      EmperorThan  

    • "#2 The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit has ruled that U.S. government agents can legally sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, place a secret GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of you everywhere that you go."

      Yeah, but back in the Founding Father's time they would have considered GPS technology (and cars) as witchcraft and burned you at the stake.

    • 1 year ago
  • Dagum
    • +1
      Dagum  
    • EmperorThan:

      The founding father narrative is a wash. It doesn't quite fit. I don't think the author really tried hard to make it work but just used it as an opener. But Some of the highlights of current events/statistics are intriguing.

    • 1 year ago
  • Dagum
  • EmperorThan
  • ReverandG
    • -3
      ReverandG  

    • We know the path our country has taken #51 is the removal of God and prayer in public places. The question now is What are we going to do about it?
      JohnA, Yes in a way we all did it. More to the point we all have allowed it to happen.
      Dagum, you will see more families staying united in the home so that the economics are more stable for all. This is how families used to be, all for one and one for all.
      Trut - President Obama has a problem with throwing money at every supposed problem. 14 Trillion debt did not happen just under the neocons.
      Vote all incumbents’ out! Enough of the Millionaires club running the country.
      It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not
      replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence
      and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that
      is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the
      plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal
      government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to
      exist.

      So, again....What are we going to do about it?

    • 1 year ago
  • trut
  • JohnA
  • fun_size
    • +4
      fun_size  
    • ReverandG:

      "We know the path our country has taken #51 is the removal of God and prayer in public places."

      Uhhh no. Thats the Seperation of Church and State my friend... a practice which most founding fathers and early Americans would actually support seeing as how many of them fled their home countries to escape religious persecution.

    • 1 year ago
  • 2helenahandbasket
  • trut
  • UtopianSky
  • Amber_Taylor
  • ReverandG
  • Jake_Leonard
    • +1
      Jake_Leonard  
    • Amber_Taylor:

      Many of the Founding Fathers, true, did own slaves. Thomas Jefferson, Washington, etc. They did so because it was the norm of the time period; nobody viewed slaves as true people--it was incomprehensible to think as such (and thus came the 3/5ths compromise). Some Founding Fathers, such as Jefferson who married a slave girl, opposed slavery, yet still knew that it was too much of a progressive thought at the time to consider/argue if they wanted to form a strong constitution. Thus, I wouldn't necessarily call them racist, just as I wouldn't call the entire German population who bought into Hitler's propaganda a pack of racists.

      The civil war wasn't about slavery, it was about state sovereignty vs national government. The north in a form took slavery as a slogan for their cause, but slavery was already on its way out.

      Washington was not wealthy to start; only when he married Martha did he have enough wealth to obtain the necessary qualities of a leader.

      Our founding fathers were intellectuals, but they were far from saints or the demi-gods they are often depicted as. They had their faults and selfish agendas just as any human being.

      People don't understand the power of "the social norm." Slavery was accepted, and people bought into the fact that it was morally okay and would rationalize its usage. In other words, based on wide acceptance, people convinced themselves that it was okay and to not question it. It happens every day. Another perfect example was the patriotism phenomenon which occurred from 9/11/01 up until only recently. Perhaps it started with Bush's speech saying, "You're either with us, or you're a terrorist..."

      People were actually afraid to go against the grain, as they'd be labeled unpatriotic or a traitor, which was just not true.

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    • Dagum:

      Today's college grads expect to start out at the top. They haven't a clue that their parents lived with hand-me-down furniture and broken down cars when they were starting out. They've been spoiled and raised that they have to have the best of everything, live in the best surroundings, drive the best cars and show off to their peers. If they would change their lifestyles a little and realize it's more important to be an adult making his own way than to start out having everything they want, they wouldn't still live with mama and daddy at the age of 40. I have no sympathy for them. If they would come down off their high horse like their parents did they could make it on their own.

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    • 2helenahandbasket:

      I think it's ironic that the same generation that sits around and bankrupts social security and Medicare (that the younger generation pays for but will never see a return) is simultaneously lecturing the younger generation about how “spoiled “ they are.

      Let’s talk about how “bad” the baby boom generation had it. The “me” generation. You rode into power of the coat tails of the great generation who won WWII. America enjoyed an era of prosperity never seen before in our history, (and hasn’t been seen since.) Everything was handed to the spoiled brat baby boom generation by their parents (see George W. Bush.)

      When the first boomers entered the work force in 1971, unemployment was only 5.0% we still had a manufacturing base and we were still a super power.

      What did baby boomers do since then? Their politicians bankrupted our country, their businessman bankrupted major corporations. Their greed knew no limits. After years of fraud, scandals, and crimes perpetuated by baby boomer generation, the country lies in ruins.

      Unless you are going to return the money you are robbing from the younger generation for social security and medicare, don't chastise the youth for only wanting the ability to survive on their own when they get out of school.

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