US soldiers 'killed Afghan civilians for sport and collected fingers as trophies'

Zionist Jews planned and carried out 9/11. I guess that doesn't fit your agenda of Muslim bashing though does it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw&feature=related

Atta a Zionist Jew?
You and your comments are a joke.
The shoe bomber was a rabbi from Brooklyn..putz

zionist jews? I hope thats a joke, because not a single one of the 'high jackers' was in fact a jew and are KNOWN to be muslims. so for it to truely be a zionist jewish conspiracy they must be in league with muslims as well, as it is KNOWN that bin ladin personally payed for much of the expenses of the 'attack' ... just a thought.

What highjackers?
Almost half of the alleged highjackers are still alive.

Wrong Mummy! taliban pays soldiers salaries and cash rewards to it's soldier for individual acts against Americans. a fund is set up to take care of families of killed martyrs.
dude you need a dermatologist!

Ah, since they may not be "professional soldiers" and they are "all civilians," no innocents, than why not just kill em all? Women, children, unarmed men, babies, etc...? All the same to you. No boundaries, no lines to cross. You keep the fingers.

Afghans have always been professional fighters. they got nothin else...
Thats why there is an AK in most houses.
If you are a Muslim and the infidel invades your country than you are ordered by Mohammed to fight.
Jihadists need no money to blow themselves to kingdom come.
Muslim extremists deliberately hide amongst the civilian population and then exploit
their deaths for political gains even though they cause them by their actions.
These are typical cowardly acts of great muslim jihadists...
your argument is as weak as your handshake.............

What is my argument exactly?

so you're telling me that the taliban is an army? they don't even have centralized leadership nor do they have any sort of rank system, nor are they trained. they may be "warriors" or mercenaries in some fashion but they are NOT soldiers.

ask anybody who's been in battle of there. these guys (taliban) shoot from the hip in a spray and pray fashion, totally wasting their ammo, shooting blindly in vague directions toward 'wherever' shot may have come from. they don't take time to line up a shot or even to pin down out gun men, meanwhile our TRAINED soldiers simply pick them off at a distance with almost zero chance of return fire actually coming within range.

what? I'm not sure what you're saying with this statement? my point is that the military are killers, and that killing civilians IS what the military does, yes it also kills enemy soldiers as well... but in the case of iraq, there are NO enemy soldiers, not any more than I am a soldier when I defend my homeand land from invaders... and that for these guys to kill civilians isn't an issue for the military because they're killers AT ALL, in otherwords killing anybody (soldier or not) makes you a killer yourself. so then what's wrong with this (since the killing in itself is NOT beneath the military, and is the POINT of military) IF not the collecting of fingers?

professional FIGHTERS are different from professional SOLDIERS. this is why our soldiers aren't worried about gun men (so much), because our soldiers are fully trained with guns and the taliban simply are NOT, rather we worry about explosives, UEDs, and such more than gun men.

any marine who has been over there will tell you that these guys don't know how to shoot. that the taliban is made up of teenage boys, that they shoot wildly from the hip with no accuracy or skill and empty an entire clip on a horizon line only to be shot dead by a single TRAINED marine.

also think i'm a bit beyond a dermatologist at this point, I'm calling in a taxidermist.

I didn't say they were good.

Back to Egypt mummy your're clueless.
You should thank the military for preserving your first amendment rights
with their lives.
Rights you abuse by spouting lies about the military.
Perhaps It would be wise of you to do some due diligence
before declaring your citizen army a murderous rabble.
You probably don't vote just an America basher...

incredibly simplistic view from someone who has never been there or couldn't breakdown an M-16 to save his life.

spouting lies about the military huh? you mean they DON'T kill people? you're delusional.

if you so admire the military why are you NOT in it right now out killing brown people?

clueless? right... this mummy is NOT egyptian... moron. perhaps you should read a book or something, maybe expand your little mind beyond that ignorance your overly burdened with.

what does that even mean?

you make a lot of assumptions my friend.

and you cannot dissagree that the military KILLS people as you're seemingly trying to do.

Hooey. There has never been an honestly Elected democratic leader anywhere in the Muslim world. Nor is there a real democratic state. The basis for your argument is gone..............doesn't exist...Typical Muslim victim propoganda.
Not Mubarak in Egypt
not Ararfat in Palestine
Not Hussein in Iraq
No Saudi EVER.
Since Islam is a religion, A State, a law set namely Sharia, a way of life
no alcohol, prayer, foot washing, it demands under penalty of death
TOTAL submission to the will of Mohammed. Not God.
This is in effect a totalitarian existence
where your everyday actions are controlled by Islam.
It becomes your family,
your country,
your religion,
your thought process,
your mate selector,
tells you what you can eat, and when,
what you can drink,
what to wear, and not to wear......
how to treat your wife,
who to love and not love,
who can be murdered and why.

here in lies the basis of Islam's problems....ISLAM.

The inventive spirit is crushed.
Freedom destroyed,
women abused.
Foreigners subjugated,
genocide denied......
Here in lies the problems of Islam......
The actions of Muslims and their pitiful leaders.

Not the whimsical interdiction of CIA plots
in contrived countries against dictator despots,
who care not about their subjects or Islam,
and in most cases are not connected with reality.
The individual act of rebellion for righteousness sake
is usurped by Mohammed and redirected
as alleged wrongs against the religion/ state, through Jihad.
This is Islam.
No my Brother, as you live by Mohammed so shall you die by Mohammed.
Your Prophets edicts have no meaning to men and women of free will.
Your Arab states drawn by Britsh cartographer are in shambles. Bickering, corrupt, silencing protest from all sides, hiding behind a thin veneer of democracy.
And, always, beset by extremists that are often their brothers, cousins, neighbors, dad etc.
as oil is replaced more rapidly by many sources of renewable energy,
the Arab world will fall from the spotlight, and Islam will implode....

Sounds like pre-evolutionary Christianity. What we now have after evolution is a bit more watered down. Based on this, I guess there is hope for Muslims after all.

Let's hope so!

Not really, pre-evolutionary Christianity came about by the coming of our "Lord" Jesus. He caused the evolution to peace and understanding (which has been perverted by Man through out time). The God of Christianity is one of free choice.

Islam is just the opposite, the Qu'ran tells them to convert, tax into conversion or kill per Muhammad's instructions. Any Muslim who does not do this is not a true Muslim.

I don't know, the Old Testament has some pretty barbaric practices from what I can recall. Some of Christianities history is comparable to that of the barbarism of that shown by Muslim extremists. Burning at the stake was a pretty hot topic for some during the day. Genocide of many of the Native Americans was pretty popular not so long ago and slavery was a huge part of our Nations Christianic people. Jesus "Lord" didn't condone any of these but Christianity sure stepped up to do it's part. Humans evolved and Christianity was forced to follow. Some Muslims have yet to evolve.

Serpent -----> Religion -----> Man's ability to persecute in God's name!

Nah, they hated us before for not following their child molesting "prophet."

Macarthur continued.....
nd twenty years after, on the other side of the globe, against the filth of dirty foxholes, the stench of ghostly trenches, the slime of dripping dugouts, those boiling suns of the relentless heat, those torrential rains of devastating storms, the loneliness and utter desolation of jungle trails, the bitterness of long separation of those they loved and cherished, the deadly pestilence of tropic disease, the horror of stricken areas of war.

Their resolute and determined defense, their swift and sure attack, their indomitable purpose, their complete and decisive victory - always victory, always through the bloody haze of their last reverberating shot, the vision of gaunt, ghastly men, reverently following your password of Duty, Honor, Country.

The code which those words perpetuate embraces the highest moral laws and will stand the test of any ethics or philosophies ever promulgated for the uplift of mankind. Its requirements are for the things that are right, and its restraints are from the things that are wrong. The soldier, above all other men, is required to practice the greatest act of religious training - sacrifice. In battle and in the face of danger and death, he discloses those divine attributes which his Maker gave when he created man in his own image. No physical courage and no brute instinct can take the place of the Divine help which alone can sustain him. However horrible the incidents of war may be, the soldier who is called upon to offer and to give his life for his country, is the noblest development of mankind.

You now face a new world, a world of change. The thrust into outer space of the satellite, spheres and missiles marked the beginning of another epoch in the long story of mankind - the chapter of the space age. In the five or more billions of years the scientists tell us it has taken to form the earth, in the three or more billion years of development of the human race, there has never been a greater, a more abrupt or staggering evolution. We deal now not with things of this world alone, but with the illimitable distances and as yet unfathomed mysteries of the universe. We are reaching out for a new and boundless frontier. We speak in strange terms: of harnessing the cosmic energy; of making winds and tides work for us; of creating unheard synthetic materials to supplement or even replace our old standard basics; of purifying sea water for our drink; of mining ocean floors for new fields of wealth and food; of disease preventatives to expand life into the hundred of years; of controlling the weather for a more equitable distribution of heat and cold, of rain and shine; of space ships to the moon; of the primary target in war, no longer limited to the armed forces of an enemy, but instead to include his civil populations; of ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy; of such dreams and fantasies as to make life the most exciting of all time.

And through all this welter of change and development your mission remains fixed, determined, inviolable. It is to win our wars. Everything else in your professional career is but corollary to this vital dedication. All other public purpose, all other public projects, all other public needs, great or small, will find others for their accomplishments; but you are the ones who are trained to fight.

Yours is the profession of arms, the will to win, the sure knowledge that in war there is no substitute for victory, that if you lose, the Nation will be destroyed, that the very obsession of your public service must be Duty, Honor, Country.

Others will debate the controversial issues, national and international, which divide men's minds. But serene, calm, aloof, you stand as the Nation's war guardians, as its lifeguards from the raging tides of international conflict, as its gladiators in the arena of battle. For a century and a half you have defended, guarded and protected its hallowed traditions of liberty and freedom, of right and justice.

Let civilian voices argue the merits or demerits of our processes of government. Whether our strength is being sapped by deficit financing indulged in too long, by federal paternalism grown too mighty, by power groups grown too arrogant, by politics grown too corrupt, by crime grown too rampant, by morals grown too low, by taxes grown too high, by extremists grown too violent; whether our personal liberties are as firm and complete as they should be.

These great national problems are not for your professional participation or military solution. Your guidepost stands out like a tenfold beacon in the night: Duty, Honor, Country.

You are the leaven which binds together the entire fabric of our national system of defense. From your ranks come the great captains who hold the Nation's destiny in their hands the moment the war tocsin sounds.

The long gray line has never failed us. Were you to do so, a million ghosts in olive drab, in brown khaki, in blue and gray, would rise from their white crosses, thundering those magic words: Duty, Honor, Country.

This does not mean that you are warmongers. On the contrary, the soldier above all other people prays for peace, for he must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war. But always in our ears ring the ominous words of Plato, that wisest of all philosophers: "Only the dead have seen the end of war."

The shadows are lengthening for me. The twilight is here. My days of old have vanished - tone and tints. They have gone glimmering through the dreams of things that were. Their memory is one of wondrous beauty, watered by tears and coaxed and caressed by the smiles of yesterday. I listen then, but with thirsty ear, for the witching melody of faint bugles blowing reveille, of far drums beating the long roll.

In my dreams I hear again the crash of guns, the rattle of musketry, the strange, mournful mutter of the battlefield. But in the evening of my memory I come back to West Point. Always there echoes and re-echoes: Duty, Honor, Country.

Today marks my final roll call with you. But I want you to know that when I cross the river, my last conscious thoughts will be of the Corps, and the Corps, and the Corps.

I bid you farewell.

Those darn barbaric threatening civilians, they can really bring out the animal in us. *Sarcasm* Come on, Isn't it interesting that when it is our guys doing wrong, suddenly we try to "understand" or be "understanding" but when it is the other guys, we find it completely unacceptable? And both sides do this in attempt to justify themselves, and because of this it never ends. We need to step up and hold our own guys and system accountable when it does wrong. If not, we are no better than the enemy, we are an enemy to ourselves to allow such actions.

can any one tell the difference between a fool and you!

You still refuse to use even elementary level grammar. You still haven't had your teeth fixed. You still don't know what you're talking about. Why do you exist?

luv, luv, luv your courage eden49, and your heart!

I don't agree with what you wrote love, but I do respect it.... voted up!

...I've taken out the comment...I was wrong, he is a bloody idiot, apropos, that comment on your post about 9/11...sorry...

just a reminder, kill yourself or your dentist

There is overwhelming evidence of Christian violence and pedophilia.

That would require more brain cells.

Amen honey. Hit that nail on the head.

"typical liberal mentality"
What would you call your mentality, ayipis?
Conservative? Enlightened?

Or would you say it's fueled by propaganda, because that's what I would say.

Don't bother; ayipis is just a propaganda-bot; not an actual person.

I think that you should have paid more attention in history and geography class. It wouldn't hurt to take a psychology and philosophy class either. While you're at it, throw in an English class, and maybe some theology. I think the reason there can still be people that think like you is that people aren't educated in a lot of different areas. You really are worthless.

well why dont we ask obama why its necessary..

should we impeach yet?

hey you suck. kill yourself

Idiot!

Define necessary war.

Of all the wars that America has involved itself in during the past 9 years, Afghanistan has seemed to have the best justification. That said, if we didn't impeach Bush for years of misdirection, I can't say it'd make sense to do so now...

I consider a necessary war one in which there is a clear objective to improve circumstances and a defined goal to be achieved. My issue with the current state of Afghanistan is, though it had pretty logical justification, it has (in my opinion) devolved into a preventative measure to keep things in the region from getting worse than they already are. Troops should not be expected to act as peace-keeping forces and it's difficult, if not impossible, to create a truly peaceful environment solely through militarism.

nice post.

you are clueless brother. look at the time these young men have spent at war.
No human spirit can endure the horrors of war without damage. The difference is how that soldier reacts to his inner moral code during times of gross immorality.
Many young soldiers are drugged by the Army to allow them to handle the psychological
effects of rotational warfare. Were these soldiers given powerful drugs? my point again is who put them there and why?
The lies of warmongering capitalists like Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz played the american people right into everybody else's hands.
The military industrial complex gets a decent long term war with Iraq concocted by the Bush Administration.
Winner of the Iraq war? Kellogg Brown and Root subsidiary of Halliburton the company Cheney was CEO of before he became VP.
They reaped billions in profit supplying the military with no bid contracts...
And were sued by the government for massive fraud and theft.
The Muslim Extremists were happy cause it brings the shooting match to their home field.
They see warfare in terms of generations. we see itin terms of surges that last months.
We pissed away our fortune swatting flies with sledgehammers and have a huge defecit
that seems like a bottomless PIT.
How many sons of the corporate elite go to war to defend their fathers fortunes?
Why should my son?

Exactly.

"The difference is how a soldier reacts to his inner moral code during times of gross immorality." Do you not see that it is our soldiers in this case that are committing the acts of gross immoralities? So in the context of your statements, the question is, how will the AFGHAN soldiers react to this. Were the American soldiers given powerful drugs in this case, no, drugs weren't given to them, they were smoking hash they stole from civilians. There is no proper justification for them to kill these civilians. They knew perfectly well what they were doing was wrong, that is why they tried to shut others who threatened to talk. If we don't hold our own people accountable for gross immoralities, why expect other countries to hold their people accountable for beheading our guys? This double-standard crap is making me sick. If we want to set an example, we have to do what is universally accepted as morally right. And killing innocent civilians isn't part of that code. No amount of justification is sufficient.

first, a soldiers inner moral code is his soul just like yours.
The direct action that put them in Afghanistan to begin with was the training and hosting of Al Quieda by the Taliban.
Hence the attack on 9/11 was the cause for these soldiers to be in Afghanistan.
The effect? after three tours of duty 6 in a half million who have served, crossed the line.
I am sure hundreds more committed crimes as well but still a tiny fraction. But as a nation of laws we bring these accused soldiers to a harsher court than any you will see under the UCMJ.
Unlike the wide open atrocities committed by the Taliban against their own people these soldiers will be brought to justice.
When Islam initiated their attack on 9/11 they put little planning into the side effects
of their actions. Why?
Because their actions are intended to induce terror, panic, chaos, the cessation of society as we know it here in America, free and open.
Did these soldiers kill those civilians? a court of law will determine who pulled the trigger.
Islam sacrificed the civilians.

It is quite a step of selective bias to start going down a chain of events, causality, causes and effects, to try to find a spot where you can place blame on the side which you are biased against. You can't stop there though when you appeal to causality, you must go all the way to the Big Bang. To stop anywhere else is obviously selectively based on your own biases. The other side can just as easily say something we did caused them to attack on 9/11 thus we caused our soldiers to be there. Again, why stop here in the chain of events? Doing so doesn't make a strong argument for either side. Again, this is a poor attempt at trying to justify the ill actions of soldiers who knew what they were doing was wrong.

Wrong again. We were not in Afghanistan, cared little about Afghanistan.
Had no plans to go to Afghanistan.
Hence, the direct cause for us being there was a reaction to the attacks
of 9/11. One of the effects was the alleged murder of civilians by soldiers whose own country was recently attacked by Islam first...Cause and effect.
AS cause and effect are universal truths off course they can be traced back to the origins of man.
BUT, your big bang generalization is a meaningless argument since the root base of this
discussion is Islam only fifteen hundred years old.

Only a brain dead puke would blame Afghanistan when Israel had at the very least foreknowledge of the attacks and did nothing but cancel their leases at the World Trade Center just days before.

you sure hate Jews don't you?
You know alot of secret stuff you a CIA spy?

hardly a secret.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/09/AmericanFreePress0902.html

Religions make war and you are right, war can make monsters out of men.

And men and monsters make wars.

true...

thanks gay jesus

I agree with "We put these men in WAR and expect them to act civil." They are asked to do things that should be difficult for anyone. But instead of expecting them to be consumed by their darkest, most primitive, and animalistic selves, we need to support them in ways that allow them to maintain their humanity.

If they did in fact do these things then it was a conscious choice one of which they would have had to side step any level of conscience. The acts were barbaric and would seem to be deliberate just as the acts of those committed by the Charles Manson group.

To try to justify these actions is sick.

Actually, if they in fact did do these things, it goes far beyond trying to instill fear. This stoops to a level relatively equal to the gas chambers in Auschwitz. No human should devolve to this point and still be considered to be human.

Based on your comment I am wondering about you as well.

ok so your saying 9/11 was ok that its fine when they killed thousands of people!

Hmnnnnn, let me go back and read what I said................, nope, I can't see where I said that its fine when they killed thousands of people on 9/11!

I think what I am implying though is that the things these soldiers are being accused of is quite barbaric. The people they have been accused of doing these things to didn't commit the 9/11 acts and just because they reside in the same country as some that did doesn't make these people guilty or even in agreement of what was done. What is in question here is the moral code of these soldiers.

Stooping to the attackers level of 9/11 is not warranted or exceptable by any of our soldiers or people. That's all!

Exactly.

your intitled to your own thoughts on the matter which is fine but i disagree

A Nation shouldn't be defined by the acts of a few. The 9/11 hijackers were not a representation of the Afghan Nation and the few soldiers that are doing these things are not the American Nation; however, when people tend to see things as you are, then those connected by name or geographics become innocent victims.

All Christians are heathens and all Muslims are heathens is a perfect example of a blanket mentality.

I have to admit, we have found at least one thing we agree on and that is that we disagree.

who suggested that?

oh hell i agree 100% with you on this!! give them to the afgans so they can torture these pathetic sub humans cos american justice will never be enough for this vermin.