US soldiers 'killed Afghan civilians for sport and collected fingers as trophies'

yes the army are nothing but pawns used in rich mens games, just like henry kissinger said, an he should know cos he's a dirty war mongerer

We are all pawns, not only soldiers. We are victims of circumstance, of the conditions of our environment.

I haven't heard religions defined quite that way but well done!

I agree fully, but i feel with the armed forces and the like, that these people put themselves forward to be used more, i know i am a slave, but i try not to conform in working 'for the man' as you might say.

You can't lay 100% of the blame of Abu Ghraib on the soldiers. They were following orders, not that that's an excuse, the problem is just larger than you make it out to be.

Yes, I know. I was only referring to the fact that for some this kind of behavior was common for them. And here again we come to a moral crossroads. I would rather risk court martial than torture another human being. That's why I'm not in the military.

Exactly!

They certainly reflect the armed forces to the people whom they murdered.

Not denying that, but it's not right to paint everyone with the same brush. It's the same as saying all Muslims are evil because of the few extremists behind 9/11

This article does not paint a large number of soldiers with a broad brush. It says several of them are murderers.

Well said!

Thanks. :)

The people they killed are still dead.

Simply, things have changed a lot since 1945.

The context of WWII was totally different - the US and allies were fighting armies, not civilians, for starters, and the soldiers were conscripts, not career military. One simply cannot compare WWII with these "wars" in Afghanistan and Iraq. Neither country declared war on America, neither did either country attack the US. The ONLY similarity between WWII and these so-called wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is the civilian resistance against the attacker, invader and occupier.

Not the human heart. All of our soldiers have one. The vast, vast majority use it.

Those responsible will face the law. Let us hope that those who were killed rest in peace, and their families also find peace.

those words are the most sense i have read all day!! >+

our solidiers are awesome. at least in heart, before combat exposure. i can't stress more how important this understanding is. i can not help love our troops for their sacrifice, but still love thier enemies the same for being humans fighting for what they believe in. as fucked up as it is, i still feel compassion for the people sopposedly trying to kill me.

No, don't bring them back here. They're garbage now, take them out back and get rid of them.

Neither did Afghanistan have anything to do with 9/11. The attack and invasion of Afghanistan was planned months before 9/11 and most of the logistics already in the area by 9/11. The reason for this attack and invasion has strictly nothing to do with terrorism or 9/11, it is purely mercantile - oil pipeline, oil, natural gas, and a veritable and huge treasure-trove of very valuable and sought-after (by the capitalist/industrial/consumer West) mineral natural resources. The only gripe against the Taliban is their refusal to cooperate with the desires of the mega-corporations.

bullshit

compelling argument.

read the book "The Horse Soldiers" we had nothing there. no assets, no contacts,
NADA. Our best helicopters instruments failed while flying in a storm over the Hindu Kush
because we did not anticipate operating at those altitudes and th instrument ceilings were 5000 ft.
So Nyet way moi drushya
verotshijtka your post is a total BULLshit just like you my dear!
The special Forces A Team that guided the northern alliance rode horses and paid thousands of dollars for sheep and goats so they and their men wouldn't starve
. The Taliban are criminal drug dealers, and murderers, and abusers of women and all sensible freedoms. They do not represent the wishes of the everyday Afghan or the direction of humanity, quite the opposite....

Damn, much better argument.

I just can't handle the one word put downs without explanations, I'm sure you understand.

I loved "Horse Soldiers", I'm from Kentucky so when I first heard of it I bought it (If your wondering why that's relevant, the soldiers were originally stationed in Ft. Campbell, KY)

I have served 20 years in Army Special forces. I know many fine Green Berets at the 5th group at Campbell. And some directly involved with the story. I have been in and out of the Muslim world for years.
Loved some killed some.
The important thing to remember about today is that Islam attacked America.
9/11 was nothing but a cowardly act against defenseless civilians, women and children.
The cursory condemnation from the Muslim world was a joke.
There is in Isalm, and built into their holybook a call for Jihad against the West or east or south anybody.
It calls for Jihad for a myriad of proposed wrongs against Islam.
This is why amongst the three major monotheistic religions, all worshipping the one god from the same origin, only Islam is at constant war with the other two, Judaism and Christianity Why?
Because the Koran ORDERS them to.
In India over 95% of terrorist acts are committed by Muslims.
A vast amount occur in Kashmir where there is an active military movement to keep all of Kashmir Muslim, Not Pakistani, Muslim. Muslim herders attacking Christian farmers in Nigera, Muslim Janjaja weed brigands attacking refugees? they're Christians.
The decimation through intimidation of the entire ancient Christian community of Iraq. The economic verbal and physical abuse of Coptic Christians in Egypt whose only economic hold in the Muslim world was as garbagemen and recyclers. And yet that was taken away due to a vicious campaign started by Saudi backed Whabis. Attacks in the Phillipines, Bali, Mumbai these examples of terrorist acts around the world are Muslim, almost all terrorist acts are Muslim initiated
.
In our haste to be politically and religiously correct we cannot and must not
make light of the serious threat posed by Islam to all things western and free.
"The price of freedom is vigilance".

http://attacks.ht

Repeating the lie that Muslims blew up the towers over and over isn't going to convince anyone with a brain. Zionist Jews were responsible for carrying out the attacks.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CRC3ImjoTI

Finally something I can agree with you on. This MAY be another case of overzealous military adjudicators looking to make a name for themselves or something to do....JUst like the Pendleton 8 Marines.....

sorry but i have to agree as well...

spoken like an attorney... but some good points!

Whoa. Whoa? Whoa! This week in WHOA, with CZ. v+

Heh...I guess I did go a little over the top on the whoas, didn't I, RF?

Maybe, but only in the most lovable way. Maybe it is just me projecting, but it added character to the post.

Don't accept guilt for what others do. All our troops are not guilty, because a few do bad things. Unless, no one is held accountable, then it makes us all look bad!

And, no matter who gets murdered, we sure wouldn't want to look bad.

Those who commit murder should look bad and should be used as an example, not swept under the rug as though it never happened. So many things have gone unpunished. No accountability, no shame? This is shameful and should be acknowledged as shameful and punish them for doing it.

how they fuck are you pussies going to give this bitch a thumbs up for implying that all people in the army are some renegade ass holes who murder people. Some people are just bad you had a leftist a week ago go into a fucking building and kill people because he wanted people to stop having babies.

oh and only americans, how about the iranians beheading a woman who had sex out of wedlock. Why dont you crawl back into your hole and never come back.

Usually a man ( or women) who volunteers for military service is probably what you would call the opposite of a coward. The same can not b said of those who spew venom from safe, internet anonymity. I was a marine who served in Kosovo, we did a lot of good there. These men r sick fucks and deserve death...

joining the military does not equate cowardice. and america does not have a monopoly on disgusting behavior

A lot of them are just homocidal queers.

Sure, there is nothing to see here.

i agree but it's not just the americans, its the british, heck it's the armies of the entire world. When you are ready to lay down your life for people you dont know (the government) to go to a foreign country and murder people you dont know, then you shouldnt be in society.

Maam your constitutional right are guaranteed by soldiers not by the constitution.
your very existence is owed to a strong military.
Think twice before insulting your fellow countrymen.

please!
I am not going to argue with you, there is no point.
But do not tell me that the armed forces now in iraq, afghanistan etc are guaranteeing my freedom, or my very existence is owed to them, wft! I don't even want them there and i'm supposed to be grateful to them.

I am not only a pacifist but a militant pacifist. I am willing to fight for peace. Nothing will end war unless the people themselves refuse to go to war.
Albert Einstein

What is absurd and monstrous about war is that men who have no personal quarrel should be trained to murder one another in cold blood.
Aldous Huxley

and they walk among us.

I don't think it is fair to say all are brainwashed killing machines, but there are definitely some who possess a different mentality.

There are crazy people in society and there are crazy people in the military. Put those crazy people under extremely stressful situations, like a war, and you will see things like this happen.

Dehumanizing the enemy is what allows actions like this to happen. If you don't think of them as humans then they are hardly more than an insect.

However, the number of incidents like this are extremely small compared to the number who serve.

Best comment on the whole thread so far.

yep, never mind we have about 10,000 know military members that have gang affiliations.....

It is UNNATURAL that people kill other people for the sake of war?????????? WOW that was dumb....

Jubal, your comment is about as bad as his.........

Thanks, Kenny.

Down is up. War is peace.

Thanks jubal! I weep for my fellow soldiers.

Thanks to you as well! My heart weeps for my fellow soldiers that had to go to this war. After all it was all a lie!