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Pastor Terry Jones Cancels Plan to Burn Qur'an ||| (9/9/10): Oh... No, Wait... He's "Rethinking" Qur'an Burning ||| (9/11/10): Okay, Whew! He Won't Burn It... "Not Ever" ||| (9/17/10): City Billing Pastor for Security

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Florida minister cancels plans to burn Koran on 9/11

GAINESVILLE, Fla. —


The leader of a small Florida church that espouses anti-Islam philosophy says he is canceling plans to burn copies of the Quran on Sept. 11.

Pastor Terry Jones said Thursday that he decided to cancel his protest because the leader of a planned Islamic Center near ground zero has agreed to move its controversial location. The agreement couldn't be immediately confirmed.

Jones' plans to burn Islam's holiest text Saturday sparked an international outcry.



President Barack Obama, the top U.S. general in Afghanistan and several Christian leaders had urged Jones to reconsider his plans. They said his actions would endanger U.S. soldiers and provide a strong recruitment tool for Islamic extremists. Jones' protest also drew criticism from religious and political leaders from across the Muslim world.





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381 comments // Pastor Terry Jones Cancels Plan to Burn Qur'an ||| (9/9/10): Oh... No, Wait... He's "Rethinking" Qur'an Burning ||| (9/11/10): Okay, Whew! He Won't Burn It... "Not Ever" ||| (9/17/10): City Billing Pastor for Security

  • EthicalVegan
  • congoboy
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    • i think he made a wise decision, most of the rest of us are savin all of our koran burin for the big 10th anniversary too!

    • 1 year ago
  • EthicalVegan
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    • http://gothamist.com/2010/09/18/pastor_jones.php

      A Fitting Farewell To Wannabe Koran-Burner Terry Jones

      It was a little more than a week ago that Pastor Terry Jones threatened to burn himself into all our hearts by burning the Koran on September 11. After the initial flurry of media hullabaloo, it quickly became apparent that the Florida Pastor was more than a little over his head, and he cancelled the event. Then he changed his mind. Then he re-cancelled it. Now, a week after he wasted everybody's time, the city of Gainesville, Fla. is giving the Pastor and his Dove World Outreach Center a $200,000 bill.

      They're charging him and his Church for the more than 360 officers who were on duty last weekend as a direct result of the Pastor's threats. Gainesville City Manager Russ Blackburn told AP he doesn't know if the city has legal authority to compel the church to pay, but the message is certainly clear. And now, we can all forget about the Pastor and his hollow threats, and the name Terry Jones can go back to only being associated with its rightful owner, the great Monty Python actor.

    • 1 year ago
  • EthicalVegan
  • themotivateddropout
  • freecrack
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    • the best part is that he has affirmed his mania as such, not gods will.by not destroying this book that is supposedly evil, while presenting himself as being a man of god, in action he shows his understanding of divinity has wiggle room.
      what was absolute in the name of god on monday, became subject to change by tuesday.

      pssst the christians who got fed to the lions in colosiums were believers in gods word, this guy is just a hate driven prick, who has proven it himself as such.not driven by faith but personal serving hate.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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    • http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/17/florida.quran.pastor/index.html?hpt=Sbin

      City plans to bill pastor for security around planned Quran burning

      By John Couwels, CNN
      September 17, 2010 3:15 p.m. EDT

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      * Gainesville to send a $180,000 bill to Pastor Terry Jones

      Orlando, Florida (CNN) -- The city of Gainesville, Florida, plans to send a bill estimated at more than $180,000 to Pastor Terry Jones for security costs surrounding his controversial threat to burn Qurans on the anniversary of the September, 11, 2001, attacks, a police spokeswoman said Friday.

      Police agencies spent more than a month working on security plans to ensure the community surrounding Jones' Dove World Outreach Center -- the planned site of the burning -- was safe, according to Gainesville police spokeswoman Cpl. Tscharna Senn.

      Jones also told authorities he received numerous death threats because of the planned protest, which he called off amid increasing pressure from world leaders.

      The Gainesville Police Department said it spent more than $100,000 while the Alachua County Sheriff's Office spent an estimated $80,000 during the weekend of the planned demonstration.

      "We have 286 sworn officers and almost everyone was working either at the Dove Center or at other soft targets," Senn said. "Unless you were sick or injured you were working" the day the burning was to take place.

      Officers secured malls in the region, the University of Florida's football stadium and areas around the church in the days leading up to the planned event.

      Jones said Friday that the church was "not aware that we would be billed for security."

      "If we had known this in advance, then we would have refused to have security," he said.

      Some have accused authorities of over preparing.

      "It's easy to say we over prepared but if something horrible had happened we would have been criticized for being unprepared," Senn said.

      The planned burning prompted demonstrations by Muslims around the world this week, including Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia and India.

    • 1 year ago
  • galwayman
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    • EthicalVegan:

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39248112/ns/us_news-life/

      Pastor behind Quran plan may face $200,000 bill
      Jones wants to move church; Gainesville authorities want to recoup costs

      PAUL J. RICHARDS / AFP - Getty Images
      Pastor Terry Jones says he wants to move his church to Tampa Bay, Fla., from Gainesville, Fla., where authorities would like him to pay $200,000 for their protection during the firestorm he spurred.

      msnbc.com news services
      updated 9/18/2010 5:56:59 PM ET

      TAMPA — The preacher from Gainesville who ignited a firestorm of criticism over his plan to torch 200 copies of the Quran says he wants to move his church to the Tampa Bay area by the end of the year, NBC affiliate WFLA reported.

      He's also facing a $200,000 bill for policing costs during the firestorm his plan created, The Gainesville Sun newspaper said. However, officials say they're not sure they can force him to pay.

      "A fresh start is a good term," Terry Jones said. "There's a more favorable atmosphere for the church and our message in the Tampa-St. Petersburg area."

      A site for a future church here has not been selected, but the Tampa Bay area is at the top of the list for relocation, he told WFLA.

      Jones, 58, owns a condominium on Treasure Island, according to Pinellas County property records, WFLA reported.

      Jones said the move could happen as soon as he can sell his current church, Dove World Outreach Center. The property, a prefab warehouse turned into a sanctuary and an adjoining building, has been for sale for some time, he said.

      Ramzy Kilic, communications director of the Tampa chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told WFLA that if Jones does move to the Tampa Bay area, he hopes the preacher will show tolerance.

      "If he ever chooses to come here with open arms and good intentions, the interfaith community would receive him," Kilic said. "If you want to be a member of the Tampa community, you should exemplify neighborly qualities. Tampa is a great city and he's more than welcome."

      Before he goes, though, Gainesville authorities say they want him to cover the cost of policing the Dove World Outreach Center for the planned Quran burning that never happened, The Gainesville Sun reported.

      The cost is expected to come to about $100,000 each for the Gainesville Police Department and the Alachua County Sheriff's Office, officials told the Sun.

      Gainesville City Manager Russ Blackburn and Alachua County Sheriff Sadie Darnell each told the Sun Jones would get a bill.

      Police Maj. Rick Hanna told the Sun the expenses were high because so much territory had to be covered — the area around the church, the University of Florida football game and "soft targets" such as The Oaks Mall.

      "We wanted a lot of high visibility and very preventative patrolling," said Hanna, who was in charge of the operation for Gainesville Police. "You have to weigh it — you don't want to create an atmosphere of hysteria, but we took it real serious."

      The sheriff had 242 deputies on duty Sept. 11, 160 of whom were working specifically because of the planned protest, the Sun said.

      Total costs for security actually were higher when adding participation by other agencies including the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and several sheriff's offices that provided support such as bomb sniffing dogs and detection devices, officials told the Sun.

      Blackburn said he isn't sure how realistic it is to expect the church to pay or how much legal authority the city has to compel the church to pay.

      City Attorney Marion Radson said from his observations, the city was providing a "direct service" to the church.

      Jones, a former hotel manager from Nashville, grabbed international attention when he announced that he would burn copies of Islam's holiest book on the nine-year anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. He backed off the plan Sept. 9 and flew to New York for a meeting that never materialized with New York imam Feisal Abdul Rauf to talk about moving the site of a proposed Islamic center near ground zero, which has also created an uproar.

      This article includes reporting by NBC affiliate WFLA in Tampa Bay, Fla.

    • 1 year ago
  • iamaman
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      iamaman  

    • lets burn bibles and korans! we'll keep count to see witch got burned the most. of course the only rule would be that each book was paid for by the "burner(s)".

      as long as they are not printed in China!

    • 1 year ago
  • iamaman
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      iamaman  

    • maybe he's afraid of a terrorist threat?

      he must be the biggest F'ing idiot of the year! if he was gonna make a statement on behalf of the USA, he obviously did not think of the severity of his actions. maybe i should burn a bible and put it on youtube!

    • 1 year ago
  • kennymotown
  • Anthony_Robinson
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      Anthony_Robinson  

    • Pastor Yosemite Dam pulled a Palin huh? I promised something and then I back out of it when it became too much responsiblity. The least you could do with that mustache is be a man of your word. Infact, convert to buddhism and just burn yourself. That takes commitment, but then he'd cancel it at the last minute because his There WIll Be Blood mustache has other plans. Fuck welchers!That's why I almost admire the Phelps. They say something and then they do it. I like my thoughtless, irresponsible sociapaths successful. Hey Glen Beck!

    • 1 year ago
  • EthicalVegan
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    • http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/09/pastor-terry-jones-no-guts-no-glo...

      Vanity Fair - 9/13/10...

      Straight Talk Espresso

      Pastor Terry Jones. No guts. No glory.

      by Henry Rollins
      September 13, 2010, 10:41 AM

      Smoke but no fire. The only thing worse than Pastor Terry Jones scheduled Koran burning is the fact that he canceled the proposed event.

      He blinked. What a coward. If Pastor Jones was strong in his convictions, he would have gone ahead with his book barbeque. The water got way too hot way too fast for this moron and he shrank back from the global glare.

      Everyone’s weighing in. Sarah Palin said that, “Book burning is antithetical to American ideals.” Book reading is antithetical to Palin’s ideals, that’s obvious but even she’s on the right side of this one.

      What’s the matter Terry? Endangering the lives of American forces in Afghanistan and Iraq and needlessly inflaming Muslims all over the world suddenly lose its appeal? Knowing that the injuries sustained at the NATO military base in northern Afghanistan sits squarely on your shoulders become a little too heavy? You better “pray about that.”

      Look at all the time that has been wasted on this Real American. President Obama, whose main job at this time should be finding jobs for Americans, has to take time out to babysit this idiot? Apparently so.

      That what Pastor Jones wants to do is despicable is not up for debate. That this small-time hick has taken my First Amendment and trashed it in this manner is infuriating and inexcusable. When people make my country look bad, I can’t stand it. I’m in Islamic countries all the time. It’s not a stretch to say that Jones is endangering my life.

      I only hope that every Christian in America is against what this pastor wants to do.

      This idiot had had no idea what a hornet’s nest he was smacking. When he found out, he ran like a bitch.

      http://standup4islam.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/pastor-terry-jones.jpeg

    • 1 year ago
  • mayonnaise
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  • ayipis
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    • consider it as a "thank you" gesture for saving the sacred book..

      http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2010/09/saudi-arabia-lgbt-gay-righ...

      he story of Ali Ahmed Aseeri's plea for protection was originally broken on Saturday by NBC, which quoted e-mails from Aseeri as well as a letter he allegedly posted on an unnamed Saudi website in which he described his country as "backwards" and claimed his life was in danger.

      Aseeri, who is secretary of the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles, also threatened to disclose sensitive information about the Saudi Royal family to the U.S. media.

      Despite an absence of any reference to the story in the mainstream Saudi newspapers, it was posted on several blogs and was carried by a number of Lebanese, Syrian, Egyptian and pan-Arab media outlets, where it has been provoking considerable commentary and a fair amount of skepticism.

      Commenter "Abu Khalid," writing on the Al Jazeera website, which cited NBC's report, accused the Western media of bias and "relishing divisiveness among Muslims," and called into question the accuracy of the story. Very few seemed sympathetic to Aseeri's alleged persecution, and many considered his comments against his country and his actions traitorous.

      Aseeri "said that some clerics distort Islam's tolerance ... how can he be gay and say these words?" wrote "Mohammad, a Son of the Nation" from the seaside Saudi city of Jeddah.

      Readers of the Left-leaning Lebanese daily Al Akhbar, which ran a brief from the Agence France-Presse, were equally cynical, but for different reasons.

      "If you're not embarrassed, do what you want. If he wanted to leave Saudi Arabia, it's Saudi's gain, but why tarnish the image of the Saudis?" wrote one commenter.

    • 1 year ago
  • budmayne
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      budmayne  

    • Religion- The most common cause of death.
      Except for maybe sheer ignorance....
      Though some may argue that they both fall under the same category

    • 1 year ago
  • wally60
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    • budmayne:

      you are absoluty right religion will be the death of man.it is amazing in the world today
      people can actually believe in a god.even a stupid as it is he should be able to burn any book he would like to.

    • 1 year ago
  • ayipis
  • themotivateddropout
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  • Varex_Sythe
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    • ayipis:

      Really Ayipis, because we're too intelligent to notice that? That's like saying you're too intelligent to notice electricity because you are too smart to put a butter knife in an electrical socket.

    • 1 year ago
  • tommic
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      tommic  

    • Another perfect example where a person of religion proves to be less intelligent.
      What a stupid thing to do, burn the Koran, raise the ire of Muslims worldwide
      People who feel so strongly about an issue should never resort to the destruction of holy books or countries flags its against everything we stand for as a nation

    • 1 year ago
  • liveBK
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      liveBK  
    • tommic:

      "another perfect example where a person of religion proves to be less intelligent".

      What an ignorant generalizing hateful thing to say...

      P.S. I am not a "person of religion" and I definitely think this guy is clearly an idiot and a bigot... emphasis on THIS guy.

    • 1 year ago
  • Dmobile215
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    • liveBK:

      I really understand where you are coming from religion is what is wrong with the fucking world!
      To much talking to gods many gods and this is where most of them get confused about what direction there going in.

    • 1 year ago
  • tommic
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      tommic  
    • liveBK:

      The greatest minds through the course of human history, those were the least religious of their day. Your bigot remark ever so slyly directed at me is weak. I am no bigot, religion teaches bigotry and hatred. It does not come from me. I detest stupidity of which religion endorses through the belief of things that are not real. live bk you have some problems

    • 1 year ago
  • corndog67
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    • It's amazing how many people side with anyone other than Americans on this site. If it's so bad here, why not go to Afghanistan?

      He's got a right to burn anything he wants. They can burn all the bibles they want in any Sharia country, but nobody here says a word about it.

      This is a non-event. Fuckin' A Christ, the media makes a big smokin' deal about it, and it's nothing. How about when some Muslims blow up some Jews, or Americans, or anyone else that isn't Muslim? No news at all, maybe a byline in some newspaper. But some Yahoo preacher, from Florida no less, wants to burn a couple of books, and that's all they are, no more, no less, and the whole fucking world shits a brick.

      How about we get this back into context.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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    • corndog67:

      i know and the foreigners that think they should have a voice on this site ought to look somewhere else, like on one of their own communist, socialist or marxist web sites

    • 1 year ago
  • liveBK
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    • corndog67:

      While I cringe at the (sorry) played out and self defeating "if it's so bad here, why not go to Afghanistan" line, and I really am upset about people doing hateful and dumb shit like this and in the process misrepresenting a country that I love, you are on point. This has definitely been blown out of proportion. And lost in all of the sensationalism is the truth that this does undermine the security of our troops abroad when we as a people are exhibited this way. But then again I guess that's why people can't stop talking about it.

      but back to the first line... There is no utopia. Everywhere there are plenty of problems. I hate it when people say if you don't like it here go somewhere else. I love America. Yet we have mountains of shit that we need to work out. And BECAUSE I love my home, I'm willing to try and confront that shit. Why don't people get that?

    • 1 year ago
  • alexandrek
  • congoboy
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    • alexandrek:

      im agreeable as long as they keep their noses out of american politics and omg, we fuckin agree on something. help us get that murderous obama out of office in 2012 and help us greatly diminish his power this november. we need to get the obama killing machine out of afghanistan now! i love you alex

    • 1 year ago
  • corndog67
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    • congoboy:

      I would assume that most posters (posers?) here are American in origin. Most. I do know that most of the people that bitch about how shitty it is here are Americans. A lot of people that DON'T vote. A lot of people that don't do shit, except gripe about everything they don't agree with. Fuck, I probably fall into that category, except I work and pay a shitload of taxes, which I'm relatively certain a large portion of people on here don't.

      As far as Obama and Congoboys attitude about him, I think that it doesn't matter who is in office. Big Business OWNS the US Government. There is no doubt about that. They can elect a Republican next time, and it won't make a bit of difference. Big money pulls all the strings.

    • 1 year ago
  • DogBoy
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  • corndog67
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    • alexandrek:

      I'm really not sure what you are talking about. How about a little coherent clarification? I'm a dumbass redneck? How about a California Semi-hippie? And what's with your grammar and punctuation? If you are a billionaire (you more or less said that in your post), why are you functionally illiterate?

      Apparently, the money you are making "selling American products" in Asian nations, trumps any danger you feel from the political climate there. But I'm glad you are helping our economy, even though it will probably get you killed by your own people, whoever that may be.

      And you said, "You guys", like I'm in line with very many people on this site. I agree with very few people here. Lots of generalization on your part.

    • 1 year ago
  • Coolie20
  • Dmobile215
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    • This lame ass Minister or Pastor he is a sad person to represent Christians people of god to don't think like this better yet they don't glorify doing wrong like this, never have I seen such a mess and the media hyped him up to do this none christian like act.

      This is why I don't get tied up with religion at all because you never know what these people are doing when they get home. We never know what is on a persons mind. I even wrote a blog on this matter.

      Called Burning The Quran:

      http://newsflavor.com/opinions/the-burning-of-the-quran/

      Copy and paste it and let me know what you think!

    • 1 year ago
  • EthicalVegan
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  • EthicalVegan
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    • ayipis:

      So you what you mean... You, you, you, you, you. Too many you's, you.

      Where did I ever say that, pissyayi? Show me (copy and paste) my exact words that would lead you to this latest difficult-to-read-you nonsense of YOUrs. I do insist.

    • 1 year ago
  • EthicalVegan
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  • Vierotchka
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  • Valence
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    • Am i the only one that is under the impression that this is a Hate Crime and in such sense, extremely wrong morally and legally? If these people don't get sue or charged, i'm gonna buy a whole bunch of bibles and constitutional papers and burn them,because supposedly its "OK"

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • freecrack
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    • even his mustache is offensive
      dont hate on me for nit picking, it is still more mature than burning a holy book.

      wich ironicaly by the way tells of jesus.an evangelical burning chronicals of jesus's good deeds in the name of christianity.the absurdity makes jersey shore seem like a viable brain trust

    • 1 year ago
  • ibrake4rappers13
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  • freecrack
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    • ibrake4rappers13:

      abraham and lott have blood on thier hands too no?
      david was the warrior king.(sampson wasnt suicidal)
      who killed lazerous and provides the most common form of christianity followed.
      divine murder isnt exclusive to any one faith,prophet or what ever.
      shit moses was guilty of accessory mass murder by refusing to take the slaves to israel cuz god didnt want them, but thier children to be the inhabitants.

    • 1 year ago
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • cztheday
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    • ibrake4rappers13:

      I am not following your argument. Yes, Christ was a pacifist (except, perhaps, for a little elbow swinging when the tax collectors try to ply their trade in the temple), but his Father order the wholesale slaughter of village after village to every last man, woman, child and infant in the Old Testament. I have long considered myself a Christian simply because I believe that Christ's model for living a meaningful life is the best that I have seen...but to suggest that Christianity is not steeped in bloodshed is to ignore huge portions of the very book that is the foundation of the religion -- let alone how that book has been interpreted by bloodthirsty men and women in the millennia since.

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
  • freecrack
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    • ibrake4rappers13:

      really it is just that simple?if so hitler is falsely accused as he killed not one jew, just his idealogy did.shit in ww1 hitler was fighting along side jews on behalf of germany.
      your faith in christ is predicated on jewish prophecy of the messiah, given to us by murderers, requiring the messiah come from the bloodline of them.(the house of david)
      at the end of the day it is all stories based in faith.it is entirely possible mohamed killed no one and it just served broader purpose in telling a story.scriptures not included in the new testament have jesus killing people in his youth before gaining an adult sense of compasion.if you want to make it a numbers game based soley on contemperary interpritation of religious texts, every single person on the planet has a different idea making any comparison impossible.

      believe what ever you want to believe.more power to ya, but you cant fault islam for claiming supremecy as you create terms in a manor for christianity to do the same.

      just to give you a taste of it.(you know i dont think this way)
      how many civilizations has judaism conquered and people killed in order to spread judaism compared to christianity.
      how legit is christianity as divine when it absorbed pagan gods and culture versus judaisms strict adherance to the torah that has remained unaltered.

      its religion baiting, not substative debate

    • 1 year ago
  • Vierotchka
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    • DogBoy:

      Man, you've never read any history! Just one example out of a great many: 1553 John Calvin, the "Protestant Pope" of Geneva proved his Christian credentials by having Michael Servetus, the Spanish physician, burned at the stake. That's the middle of the 16th century, and was by far not the last time nor century people were burnt at the stake.

    • 1 year ago
  • scamgea
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    • September 11, 2010

      Rally of Remembrance today: Yes to freedom, no to Ground Zero mosque
      Our rally today is for those who were murdered nine years ago today -- murdered in the name of a religion and a book whose followers now plan to place a victory mosque at the site of the murders.

      And make no mistake, it will be seen as a victory mosque in the Islamic world. There are thousands of historical precedents -- victory mosques all over Muslim countries, built on the cherished sites of conquered peoples. But there are no mosques of reconciliation built on the site of earlier jihad attacks in order to reach out in friendship to those who were attacked. None.

      Yet we are to believe that this mosque, and this mosque alone, will be understood as the latter by the great majority of Muslims worldwide.

      And that is not the only thing that strains credulity. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is an open proponent of Sharia and restrictions on the freedom of speech; he refused to denounce Hamas; and he has been highly disingenuous about his funding and about whether his mega-structure would contain a mosque at all. Yet we are to believe he is an warm-hearted moderate with nothing but good intentions.

      We have had enough of being lied to. And we have had enough also of our dead being disrespected, and of the prospect of a monument to their deaths being built where they were killed. We have had enough of the media smearing everyone who opposes this mosque as hateful -- running interference for a hateful ideology that would deny equality of rights to women and non-Muslims, and eradicate the freedom of speech and freedom of conscience.

      Again: William Jennings Bryan said it in 1896 in a vastly different context, but every word applies today:

      We do not come as aggressors. Our war is not a war of conquest; we are fighting in the defence of our homes, our families, and posterity. We have petitioned, and our petitions have been scorned; we have entreated, and our entreaties have been disregarded; we have begged, and they have mocked when our calamity came. We beg no longer; we entreat no more; we petition no more. We defy them!
      We beg no more. We entreat no more. We petition no more. We defy them. We are not the aggressors. We are not haters. We are not racists. We are not bigots. We are not neofascists. Those who claim otherwise are knowingly or unknowingly abetting a monstrous evil.

      We defy them. Peacefully, lawfully, and with unshakable resolvem, we defy them. And we stand for freedom today.

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
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    • Jones manipulated the media & used them & because they were so eager to find ''Islamophobia'' they happily let themselves get suckered by a crank. The mainstream media is a lost cause, their Lefty ideology so bankrupt they'll grasp at any straw, distort any story, invent the most ridiculous arguments. But, ...consumers aren't fools - we know most journalists are unprofessional, uninformed, biased fools in a sinking industry that loses credibility (and money) by the day. The media completely missed the point - this guy wasn't the story, the real story was the temper tantrum by the Religion of Perpetual Outrage. The real story was the idiotic reaction of politicians, dhimmwits all, who fell over themselves to condemn what should normally be a non-event.

    • 1 year ago
  • DogBoy
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    • crystalman:

      I agree mostly but I hardly consider burning ancient text a non event. The Quran and Bible are a part of the history of mankind whether we agree or disagree like it or not. We should accept our history, as is, and learn.

    • 1 year ago
  • 2damax
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      2damax  
    • crystalman:

      I am Planning my 1,000,000 bible and baby Jesus effige and pig's blood sacrafise burn on Christmas Eve, unless "In God We Trust" is removed from our idol coins. pay no attention to me. I feel really strongly about how insensitive it is toward my percieved notion of the reality of God and also i will protest how "The Religion of Perpetual Outrage" venerates Jesus as a Prophet. Its a good thing Christians are so rationable and reasonable. *rollz eyes*

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  

    • i love how in the world thier are people who look at this small minded moron as a spiritual leader, despite his rational being one of tit for tat much a'kin to kindergardeners.i wont steal your lego men if you dont take my play-doh

    • 1 year ago
  • DogBoy
  • freecrack
  • Shizon81
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      Shizon81  

    • Thank you Jesus! (and I'm an atheist) And to those who are burning/pissing on the Quran. How about a video of you getting your nuts kicked so you cannot reproduce. Hate in any form is wrong. Power to the peaceful!

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
  • ozoneocean
  • 2damax
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      2damax  
    • crystalman:

      what happened to bootstraps? they should grow a pair and defend themselves... Hate in no way makes you a good hero. Warfags are the lowest form of life simply because they refuse to not make themselves hypocrites.

    • 1 year ago
  • DogBoy
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    • crystalman:

      Defending those that cannot defend themselves is very noble. I think we have done that in Afghanistan and Iraq and now it's time for them to defend themselves like we have trained them to do? Our continued presence in these Islamic countries is enabling the corruption of the spiritually wicked in high places. Historically the U.S.has never propped up a popular government in a foreign country why should we believe anything has changed if our Foreign policies don't change.

    • 1 year ago
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    • Shizon81:

      wow do i detect a bit of hateful hypocrisy? isnt wishing some nut kickage on a fellow human being just a bit hateful? so its ok if someone on the left wishes unjustified harm on someone but when its the right justifiably fighting for the good cause its hate? what would jesus do? hmmmmm

    • 1 year ago
  • common_sense_please
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    • What's really annoying about all of this is that people keep saying well IN Middle Eastern countries were radical Islam is the ruling party the people in those countries burn holy books about Christianity and pretty much all every other religions writings as well--and or people (again LIVING IN countries controlled by fanatical religious leaders) attack and kill and imprison anyone who isn't Muslim--- so thanks for the history lesson Captain Obvious.

      Seriously I just want to scream DUH!!! These people live in countries that DO NOT have a constitution that gives them freedom to practice ANY religion they choose and therefore they are basically compelled by their government to be radical and do stupid hateful acts to prove they are not secretly members or believers of another religion besides Islam. (Although sadly up until 2000 when DICK Cheney came into power with his henchman Donald Rumsfeld, his puppet George W., his personal propaganda network FOX news---we lived in a country that was tolerant of ALL religions and DID practice what we preached so to speak with regard to religious freedom.)

      Also DUH!! why did we get into the war with Afghanistan and to a lesser extent why did we change up our mission in Iraq? Because we wanted to give these countries the gift of democracy and religious freedom and tolerance and show them a it was possible to form a government where ALL ethnicities and religious beliefs had representatives at the table.

      And a giant huge DUH!! the government of the U.S. and even the government of the state of Florida and the City government of Gainsville NEVER SAID he could not burn the Koran on his private property or outside the city limits or in a private ceremony for HIS 50 member church and their families to attend---they simply said first off its illegal to hold that big of a burn in the city limits--- and then said to deliberately burn the Koran on September 11th was essentially an act of hatred and violence against peaceful law abiding Muslims living here in the U.S. and was just as wrong as what the radical terrorists guys did by flying planes into a building full of innocent people who happened to be peaceful law abiding Americans who just went to work that day.

      And a final DUH!! just as September 11th evoked and still evokes a sense of nationalism and pride in being an American and was and is used as a recruiting tool to bump up military recruitment and fight the war on terror---this act of burning the Koran would have been used in EXACTLY the same way by Al-Queida and radical terrorist groups to bump up their sense of nationalism and recruit people for their military to fight the war against radical hate filled American Christianity.

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
  • DogBoy
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      DogBoy  
    • common_sense_please:

      I have never noticed Muslims burning the bible. Flags yes. Humans yes.
      You said.
      "Also DUH!! why did we get into the war with Afghanistan and to a lesser extent why did we change up our mission in Iraq? Because we wanted to give these countries the gift of democracy and religious freedom and tolerance and show them a it was possible to form a government where ALL ethnicities and religious beliefs had representatives at the table."
      People of other cultures need to arrive at their own conclusions about what is best for their country,
      We went to Afghanistan to kill Osama. We failed. Deposing the Taliban was just a by product of the operation. We need to keep out of other countries civil wars. The Afghanistan culture is way older than ours. Thats rather like a child telling the parent how to behave. Democracy is not the answer or savior for every third world economy Look back at our colonialist history. We have failed in just about every country we ever got involved with

      Fundamental Islam is not openly making this a religious conflict even though it is under the covers.They are using our failed foreign western based policies against us in Muslim countries.Resisting Western Imperialism is the big Taliban recruiting tool. America represents western imperialist ideals and because we are closely allied with Israel hurts our credibility in Muslim countries. We need to get secular Islam more involved with Islamic issues.

      We need to redeploy from those countries and take care of our growing domestic issues.
      We need jobs we need a balanced budget we need to rediscover and reinvent the things that made our country the greatest country in the world. We used to be the greatest manufacturing power in the world. We need to reevaluate our immigration strategy to help secure our borders. We are the biggest debtor nation in the world and we have become a country with only a services based economy left. That is very sad tome. Charity begins at home.

    • 1 year ago
  • ozoneocean
  • common_sense_please
  • common_sense_please
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      common_sense_please  
    • DogBoy:

      Well first off I don't see how its a "good" or "logical" to justify allowing Christians to burn the Koran here in the U.S. where ALL religions are guaranteed a right to practice their faith without being persecuted--- by saying well the Muslims living in the Middle East don't do that--they just burn the American flag and people who practice a different type of religion besides Islam--but hey they don't burn the bible so the Pastor in Florida and now the Pastor in Kansas can somehow claim the moral high ground in that regard.

      Second I wasn't perfectly clear in stating that the reason the military and the DOD gave for getting into Iraq and Afghanistan was to spread democracy and religious tolerance to the Middle East. Because I will give you a nod of agreement that really it is not right for any country to go into another and tell them what to do. And I also agree that we definitely need to go about cleaning up our own backyard before we start bitching about our neighbors across the oceans yards.

      But really it all boils down to once again--if American christians don't or won't uphold the very basic core framework of our constitution that allows people to practice their religion without fear of being assaulted or having their specific religions sacred texts and artifacts burnt or destroyed--then we really can't tell radical Islamic terrorists to fuck off and leave off attacking us from a place of religious hatred and intolerance.

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
  • congoboy
  • galwayman
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      galwayman  

    • This whole thing on the part of pastor Jones was a publicity stunt pure and simple and I have lost any respect I had for him when he made his initial announcement! His conduct on this matter makes every American look indecisive in the eyes of Islam,not that they didn't think that the majority weren't fools already! it is no wonder that the Islamofacists laugh at us!

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • galwayman:

      like the muslim world has an unbias view of us anyway.hamas will most likely cover thier faces and burn what appears to be a quran, and claim the video was americans doing it.just like when they attack palastinians and claim it is settlers.

    • 1 year ago
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