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Greed is Good by John Stossel

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What do you guys think of this? I had to watch this in my economics class.
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  • thedirtman
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      thedirtman  
    • John Stossel does not know the difference between greed and ambition.

      greed
      –noun
      excessive or rapacious desire, esp. for wealth or possessions.

      am·bi·tion
      –noun
      1. an earnest desire for some type of achievement or distinction, as power, honor, fame, or wealth, and the willingness to strive for its attainment: Too much ambition caused him to be disliked by his colleagues.
      2. the object, state, or result desired or sought after: The crown was his ambition.
      3. desire for work or activity; energy: I awoke feeling tired and utterly lacking in ambition.

      The ability to recognize and distinguish subtle differences between meanings of words is part of intelligent thought. John Stossel does not possess that adequate amount of intelligence.

    • 1 year ago
  • Jake_Leonard
  • thedirtman
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      thedirtman  
    • thedirtman:

      For an example, let's say I am driving and I notice someone looking over the carcass of a dead animal. I stop, and since I have ambition, and two shovels, I offer one shovel to the other so that we can bury the animal together. I give him a shovel.

      Greed would be after having given the other one shovel it would be used to hit me over the head so that the other can take both shovels and leave.

    • 1 year ago
  • treewolf39
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      treewolf39  
    • thedirtman:

      Someone who steals shovels is probably more stupid then greedy. Using a shovel requires work that a greedy person would be unable to give unless chasing treasure. I guess your right . Greed can be very stupid and pointless.

    • 1 year ago
  • thedirtman
  • treewolf39
  • BrushwithDeathToothpaste
  • kennymotown
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      kennymotown  
    • Greed is a mental illness, with total disregard for society unless they get a hospital named after them! John Stossel on the other hand has been proven to have an agenda and is not a real reporter!

    • 1 year ago
  • RaceBannon
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      RaceBannon  
    • greed is good? this is what happens when we treat economist like scientist.
      Where are the anthropologist, the psychologist to condemn these quacks with money?
      There is no greed we have created an artificial system that pits us against each other for survival the byproduct being class preservation, hegemony, and plutocracy. However even in such a system none of these so called "greedy individuals" achieved their success without the collective labour and society creating favorable conditions for them to work.
      I've become more and more appalled with the borderline religious fanaticism displayed by those who've subscribed to Aynn Rand. Again where are the scientist when you need them....

    • 1 year ago
  • ColleenRW
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      ColleenRW  
    • I had to watch this in my current issues class my senior year of high school. I HATED it. John Stossel is a massive tool with an ugly moustache.

    • 1 year ago
  • tommic
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      tommic  
    • The attempt to draw conclusion on the subject of greed here falls very short.
      Bill Gates was not greedy when he became a billionaire by creating windows with Paul Allen. Warren Buffet or Ted Turner while competitive are not greedy. Greed is a very difficult word to define perfectly but as one assumes masses of wealth when they fail to realize the basic concept of giving back to the community that enabled your wealth you become greedy. Any person of vast wealth that fails to contribute a given percentage of their years income to less fortunate are greedy. Its about them not the whole. Remember in the past people with vast fortunes saved societies, solved national debt issues, today that is way past the realm of what will happen. Greed is not looked down upon anymore, it is respected. Very Sad.

    • 1 year ago
  • tverdell
  • tommic
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      tommic  
    • tverdell:

      how about , you couldn't make it were it not for people buying what you make, sell or provide as a service in a country where competition allows you to carve your piece of the pie throuh your hard work and intellect along with a little luck.

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
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      UtopianSky  
    • tommic:

      Bill Gates was definitely greedy.
      They stole DOS, they stole Windows, and engaged in numerous anti-competitive practices to not simply make a good living, but to completely destroy competitors.
      I'd call that greedy.

      Simply giving back does not make them less greedy- especially if the motivation for giving back is public relations and tax breaks.

    • 1 year ago
  • tommic
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      tommic  
    • UtopianSky:

      DOS was the working system long before Bill Gates, he did not steal it.
      Windows was developed as a working system to replace DOS and to make IBM type PC's at the time configurable to windows which BIll Gates refused to sell to IBM but licenced to them which made him a billionaire. He and Paul Allen developed windows if they took Steve Jobs Macintosh PC application ideas, yes and they made the whole thing compatable with IBM which Apple did not.
      Did Microsoft practice some unsavory business deals Of Course they all do
      But Bill and Melinda Gates are giving back more than you purport they ever took which really they did not.

    • 1 year ago
  • UtopianSky
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      UtopianSky  
    • tommic:

      DOS was created by a small developer. Bill Gates conned him into accepting a flat fee for it, and it was the basis for his empire.

      The entire concept of Windows was stolen from the Macintosh. The fact that they made it for another platform does not make it any less stealing.

      Frankly, I can't think of any product Microsoft actually invented.

      And BIll Gates did not even begin his charitable foundation until he was publicly humiliated to do so by Ted Turner. Turner made a huge contribution to the UN's relief efforts, and then mentioned how the richest man in the word, Gates at the time, gives almost nothing to charity.

      So, The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was born- not our of generosity, but out of ego.

      My whole point is that motivations are deeper than actions.
      Greed is a motivation- and even a greedy person can give to charity if they have some benefit from it.

      In this case, Bill Gates got a HUGE benefit in a whole public image change.

      I remember when Steve Jobs was the creative underdog, and Bill Gates was the evil monopolist; Now, people see Bill Gates as the generous philanthropist, and Steve Jobs as the evil monopolist.

      In truth, both men have the same motivations: ego and greed.

    • 1 year ago
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • tommic:

      In terms of the Orwellian war without end TV surveliance culture oxymorons:
      Greed is good, more greed is better,..the most greed is the best of all. Because
      our country has been subverted & mind controlled so badly by TV posing as the
      Free Press, and ignorant idiots posing as Americans worth their salt, that now,
      Vice=Virtue. The snake oil salesmen like Stossel used to travel in wagons from
      town to town as fly by nights to escape their angry defrauded victims. But now
      the snake oil salesmen wear suits, spend fiat money, and powder their noses
      for the camera to sublimate you to buy their sponsors' soap. The ABC network
      is a R.I.C.O. tool. Fraud isn't modern or progressive. And pretty boy snake oil
      salesmen like Stossel are depraved, moraly bankrupt bad influences on kids.

    • 1 year ago
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • UtopianSky:

      Well said. Whether your facts are accurate or not, he was engaged in
      anti trust violations for attempting to accomplish a Monopoly. That type
      of ambition crosses over into the zone of greed, imho. Gates is one of
      the self styled NWO elite, right up there with the Builderbergs,Rockefellers
      et al. They want to rule the world. And though that might sound like a trite
      cliche after Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo have attempted more direct methods,
      their endgame is still pretty much the same, in my beliefs. If someone can
      prove me wrong, then I stand corrected. But if it looks like a duck, sounds,
      like a duck, and walks like a duck, it does sound like a safe probability.

    • 1 year ago
  • notrepublican
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      notrepublican  
    • This was a stupid video. They are trying to link productivity with wealth. BS! The artist is greedy to create. WTF? People being productive is different than people getting billions to buy useless crap, or pass on to their worthless kids.
      If your scientists aren't the richest people in your country, then your economy is is broken. Entertainers are the worst.

    • 1 year ago
  • tverdell
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  • Jake_Leonard
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      Jake_Leonard  
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    • tverdell:

      I have read Atlas Shrugged; I don't believe it's as simple as Ayn Rand puts it. Yes, you have every right to pursue your desires--but the key point, as you noted, is the infringement of other people's capabilities and freedoms along the way. Understand that I look at capitalism as a necessary evil in today's society--but we can't live off just that.

      Like the oil companies, we as a society have no choice but to buy into oil. It's not a matter of them selling a product we want--there is no other product, and society won't let us choose. You may argue that we have every right to not fill our gas tank, use plastic bags, and use aloe over Vaseline--but when you cannot keep up, you will be in a situation where you are constantly kicked while you are down. Those who want to live simplistically really cannot. It's the illusion of choice; but with the cards stacked so highly against you, you must follow the trenches of society.

      The problem between corporations and government is that while government, as slow and perhaps inefficient as it is, is "primarily" looking out for the people. The politician's well being is based on the happiness of the people. They are a sort of corporation in themselves where legislation is passed in exchange for votes (and henceforth their salary). Or so that's how it should work. Unfortunately due to lobbying and gifts--and entire multi-billion dollar corporations being given the same rights as an individual, our system is slanted in favor of the rich. This relates to corporations not necessarily providing a product we need or want, but convincing or persuading us that we need or want it. All business corporations' first concern is profit, THEN the product, not the reverse which is entirely different. The power of persuasion is underestimated by American citizens. I thus don't necessarily have a problem with capitalism in itself, but more so in the way it conflicts with the democratic principles of our society. Your vote doesn't matter--it's swayed by those with millions and more. It's less about government interfering with the market system, and more about government trying to regulate capitalism's uninhibited interaction with democracy.

      Sure, you can say corporations provide jobs; but it's an imbalance. Those doing the most work are often at the bottom being paid the lowest (granted, not always the case, and "hard work" is somewhat opinionated). Not to mention, the jobs which take up the majority of a corporation (not IN corporate, per-se), are jobs nobody wants to say are their career paths. In other words, nobody is happy, but forced to work a job they relatively dislike to put food on the table. In a way, it's modern feudalism or serfdom. Additionally, those working at the bottom have not often the liberty to leave. It's something entirely different when you work out of boredom and reputation rather than being stressed to work to sustain one's survival needs.

      Is working a job you dislike to put food on the table better than not being able to put food on the table at all? Of course; but corporations can make their money, middle and lower class are capable of working better jobs, and CEO's can still make their billions. The principles of creating loyalty among workers are found only in a few companies, today. Unfortunately in today's society, we measure life by product, not necessarily happiness. They may correlate to some extent, but are not necessarily a matter of cause & effect.

      Owners and CEO's of large corporations tout that they kick up the economy. Well, no, you're not providing charity by providing a job. Why not take a certain amount of taxation on that company, provide it to the government, who will more than likely provide for the best interest of the people, not in the best interest of profits or through persuasion (partially done, now I know)? I know, I know--red tape--overpowered self-interested government, etc. My teacher noted China's GDP per capita increase since taking on the market system, yet did not mention Denmark or Norway's happiness in a far more socially leaning society is great compared to ours--and also that the income inequality is not nearly as substantial (yet still enough to provide incentive). Why not?

      We are fortunate that "Going Green" and sustainable has become a profitable sector for companies, or we'd be heading down a dangerous path. Capitalism promotes what people want, and not necessarily what they need. I understand economists make no distinction between what people want and need, but most can agree on the essentials. We have a representative democracy because we want to elect individuals who we hopefully believe possess more knowledge than we, the common people, do, and thus can handle decisions we are incapable of making. Corporations do exactly what the people want, but that's not necessarily a good thing.

      Now I myself have created my little niche in the business world with a local computer repair small-business, and am also putting together a business plan for a much larger idea; needless to say, I like the idea of being an entrepreneur. I also work for a large retail corporation, and for the money that brings in, I am grateful. However, I also go to a community college largely funded by grants, and through good grades, am able to run full time off of a scholarship. Furthermore, my dad started his business many years ago in industrial pipe-fitting and welding sector; he had a few employees under him. Now he's on disability due to his knees being shot, and we're primarily living check by check to say the least. With that said, he has seen both perspectives. Some will call it irresponsibility; I'll call living without a second chance. As screwed up as the welfare, poverty-level insurance and food stamp system is (bureaucratically speaking), it has sustained us. Yet, I do understand personal responsibility, and to remain in this state forever would be demeaning to say the least.

      It boils down to empathy. Unregulated free-market capitalism often promotes a society with no second chances. Those who at first don't succeed get run over by the freight train that is capitalism--you better be on that train and integrated into the system immediately, or you're lying on the tracks awaiting your fate. Many people fall off the train during the natural market storms so termed recessions--and depressions which are just extended recessions, apparently--and only the upper class are able to sustain themselves or even reap the benefits of said recession. A dynamic government must then intervene during these cycles in support of the middle and lower class, then sinusoidally step to the sidelines and let the market for the most part take its course, thereafter.

      So for Stossel's sake, no, greed is not necessarily bad. I believe that every single thing we do in life is selfish; whether those selfish acts promote the interest of myself, and in addition to another party--or only myself--is where differentiation lies. Does this also mean that I want my government to think of what's best for me? Do I want to be pampered throughout life? Obviously not; the beauty of a representative democracy, however, is that we can supposedly intervene when government goes over the line. In the society we built, we don't have time to worry about politics, so our interventions are somewhat rare besides the normal swing vote based on the economy and which party was in at the time.

      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Anti-capitalism_color.jpg

      As always, I intend to maintain a dynamic system of ideology; therefore, what I present is to be commented on, and perhaps largely argued and proved wrong. These are just my current thoughts on the matter, and I'm interested to see what people say. They are not concrete.

    • 1 year ago
  • Jake_Leonard
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      Jake_Leonard  
    • Jake_Leonard:

      On a side note, and as a student pursuing journalism, I'm quite disgusted by John Stossel's style of correspondence. His arrogance bleeds through the mix, tarnishing his ethos. Frankly, his reporting is not much better than Michael Moore's "Capitalism, a love story" in the opposite extreme.

      Last, does anybody know how to "recommend this story" to individual people or your followers? Or is it automatic?

    • 1 year ago
  • tverdell
  • treewolf39
  • treewolf39
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      treewolf39  
    • Jake_Leonard:

      To share, hit the "share this" button under the "vote" buttons. Then just enter the screen name of anyone on this site. Also you can add your followers by one click. You never send me any stories. (sad face)

    • 1 year ago
  • Jake_Leonard
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      Jake_Leonard  
    • tverdell:

      Thank you, and well said, yourself :-)

      This is where more research is needed, when you say that most people take advantage of the system. The systems that really help, and that people are complaining about, are systems no family wants to be on, nor takes pride in. I know my parents feel somewhat ashamed, yet thankful. Anyone using foodstamp cards where I work are definitely humble about it. In any case, if I had to make a near blind hypothesis, I would say it helps people who truly need it far more than it aids the leaching kind. But I agree, it is an issue that needs dealt with.

      On the other hand, I completely agree with your movement toward free elections and equal proportions of tax payer money. The spheres of democracy and capitalism should never collide. Private funding of democratic campaigns seems absolutely absurd to me. I also think it would increase the political activity of many Americans who currently think that their vote truly doesn't matter based on principles earlier mentioned by both of us.

      Thank you for the good wishes and intellectual response.

    • 1 year ago
  • Jake_Leonard
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      Jake_Leonard  
    • treewolf39:

      Thanks a lot, treewolf39 - both for the compliment and tutorial =)

      To be honest, I rarely submit stories/links, but this one really grabbed my attention. usually anything I would be interested in posting has already been posted :). In any case, you can be sure that with any future submissions I make, you will get a notification.

    • 1 year ago
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