ISRAELI RAPE BY DECEPTION CASE: FOLLOW UP

arent rapist the very people we refer to when talking about whom we dont want free on the streets?

that is the thing i dont see, unless you are using racist as a benefit wich, if i remember correctly you dont believe in.
up until the judges pronouncement of the verdict absolutely nothing regarding race had anything to do with the case other than the the woman being mad that a palastinian had been inside her.
the grounds for arrest were based soley on the accusation of rape irrespective of race.
the trial he recieved was conducted irrespective of race.
the only element of this case as it turns out in the end that race plays a factor in at all is that it offered the defendant a loop hole for a plea.even the notion that her reason for accusing him of rape wasnt based in race.even if she is the most rabid palastinian hating racist, her charges werent based on that.it doesnt even seem as though she was aware he was palastinian until the after she filed the complaint.

the only role (in action) that race played was to saber's benefit, in creating a basis for rape by deception wich is a lesser charge for him to plea to.had he been a single jewish man that option would not have been available and only the charges of aggrivated rape,assault,and battery would be available.

in the end the only role race played was creating a basis for a lesser charge, wich as a plea she agreed to.

lol says the personified plant lol
im a stoner and it has been my sn.so in fear of not remembering a multitude of sn's i just stick with it.one rediculous combination of words that tickeld me when i was 17, and here i am stuck with it now.oh well.

I understand what you're saying, but then the fact that the charge of 'rape by deception' even exists in the case of someone saying they are a "race" they are not, is not an acceptable concept for people to have. in no way do i mean to imply that the woman is racist though, only that this racist concept is accepted in the legal system, even if this acceptance was a reluctant attempt to punish Saber for his heinous action.

I don't really understand what you mean by "racist as a benefit" so I can't really comment on that. But, like you're saying, the idea that the charge of 'rape by deception' can be applied to a Palestinian man and not an Israeli man is racist. I don't think this charge was for Saber's benefit, because without it, either A) the woman would have been forced through an overwhelmingly painful court battle where Saber would have been properly charged and properly punished or B) he would have got off because the woman would not be able to testify due to distress. The charge of 'rape by deception' was a disgusting compromise for everyone involved, which is why this is so depressing.

I think the racist elements are somewhat secondary to the sexism as an issue though. Her assault is seen as less worth defending than denouncing the maybe-discrimination against the assaulter's race.

I have no idea where ahappymintleaf came from. I was on a three-day mint flavor kick. Or something. It was not drugs I swear. Your screenname matches your display picture well. it's a bit startling.

my understanding of the rape by deception charge is that its basis isnt in race, but in adultery.while i think we can all agree that our adultery laws are rediculous and this rape by deception law follows in the same theme, culturaly they are equivilants.
rape by deception sounds rediculous to us just as statitory rape probably sounds rediculous to other cultures, but it makes sense.rape by deception is saying that you are guilty of decieving some one into sex under the pretense you arent married, that they would not have consented to had they known you are married. that is the what rape by deception in israel is.in actuality i think saber kaoshour is married with kids and falls under that law, race excluded.

beneficial racism is like making allowances for certain races.not denegrated others, just elevating some.like if i walked in to a resturant and everyone got the same portions, but because im jewish i got double portions.no one is hurt because everyone else isnt denied anything, despite in being unbalanced treatment based on race or religion.if race played any role in this trial at all, it was to allow the rape by deception plea (wich is far less severe a charge than aggrivated rape, assualt and so on) that otherwise may not have been an option.if he isnt married the fact that he is palastinian created a racist means by wich he could benefit as opposed to being stuck only with the option of straight up rape.

all rape cases are depressing as it is a he said she said argument over the most horrific act.

the irony of the avatar is it has nothing to do with the name.lol i was thinking about that the other day actualy about what that must present itself as.freecrack as a name with a psuedo hippie tye died freak brother cartoon looking character.the cartoon is based on a guy named larry fischer otherwise known as wildman fischer.if you ever get to check out a movie/documentary called "derailroaded" it is about him and his life.it is just too bizarre to really explain and do justice.lets just say he is a schitzophrenic who rose to pop culture status via music in the hippie era.

I remember reading that the charge only commented on his identity, not his marital status. I can't seem to find any articles that conclusively say one way or the other though.
Juxtaposed to statutory rape, rape by deception seems a lot more reasonable, as our society doesn't believe those under a certain age know how to consent, while those who are lied to are somehow consenting. It is a culture clash. The idea of it is a lot more disturbing if race is a sufficient determinant for deception, but even that is not necessarily culturally sensitive enough. Assuming one has a strong case for why they can't be intimate with someone of a certain 'race'. Multiculturalism is hard.

Beneficial racism, like affirmative action? I think that, if you look at the totality of history, the benefits of some 'races' has outpaced (and oppressed) the progress of others, and so it's understandable why the latter would need a method for challenging the status quo which still oppresses them. But at the same time, class-focused treatment would probably go over better. The problem is that if any collective group becomes more empowered, all others (especially the most legitimized and normative) lose power. No one wants to lose power because they think they're entitled and their privileges are natural. So it's all a mess. Which is all I can say about beneficial racism.

Here it seems like your saying that his race was used to justify the verdict of rape by deception, while it seems like his marital status would be a lot less inflammatory and discriminatory. Which is where my conflict still lies over this.

I will definitely check out Derailroaded. Sounds like an interesting guy.

im not sticking to the marital status part as i heard it in passing on the radio, so if my full focus wasnt on it (perhaps on driving instaed) it is entirely wrong the way i heard it.it is completely possible that saber is single, i just recalled thinking i heard otherwise.

it isnt a matter of direct comparisons of of the actual concepts, rape by deception and statitory rape are two methods of describing a crime through the prism and marrative of a cultures value system.i wasnt talking about legitimacy of the charges, but how culturaly specific the terms are thus allowing for much to be lost in translation.its like how spiderman is obviously the goodguy to us.to us it is inherent that spiderman is the hero, second fiddle to superman or batman.in the arab world how ever as the spider is a clear symbol of evil spiderman loses much intranslation.they are always waiting for the m night shamalan twist at the end that makes the story make sense.it doesnt jive based on thier value system unless the green goblin gets mj and spidey dies.that would be the happy ending for them based on thier spectrum of analysis.rape by deception is just a rigid terminalogy for adultery.both archaic crimes, but very engrained in our collective western laws.

sounds like someone is getting into marxism.good for you, just dont settle.dont stop the marxist class struggle elements, wich is the common flaw.pick up where he left off, who knows you may start a revolution.

It is the precedent this case sets for future cases, freecrack. That what this story was always about precedent, not just this guy. Precedent now is you lie to a woman to get sex you will be convicted of rape in Israel.

http://tell.it

do you even give any depth of thought to this stuff.
it wasnt about getting legaly tagged for faking love for sex or whatever coloquial lies we tell.it was about a palastinian banging an israeli, or more acurrately a muslim banging a jew, with the narrative being that the people so arogant for being "chosen" wouldnt lower themselves to be with palastinians as a result of racism thus proving zionism=racism.
but if you want to pretend (wich you may not be, if you are truly unaware of how your information is manipulated, despite this post showing it) ill play along.

the basis of the previous story was about just how notcivilized israeli court systems are.how compared to ours (the legitimate democracy, not the israeli pretend version) thiers was a paper system that has no eye for justice, but serves as a cover for racism.not just individual racist, but instituted racism.

really? it took this deeply racist society 62 years to concocked what the klan had done for decades in the south?really? the same people with the best military in the world, who lead in phd's,and nobels, as a society couldnt muster the brain power to figure out"lets get the brown guy by manipulating the legal system"? how can israel not have a real democratic legal system one day, but have precedents the next?either it is motivated by racism or it has precidences.

the previous stories basis that anything was being done in error was that the crime he was arrested for was lying to get laid.he was arrested for rape, and rape by deception was a plea deal.what kind of juournalism fails to mention that?what kind of journalism runs with the conviction as the story, not what happened?

do you also believe that no jewish boy is banging schickzas, and no palastinian ones at that?you think we are so damn special we have activists how fly over thier to risk thier lives, but not one jewish activists girl banged a palastinian guy?clearly as casual as this sex was concentual or not, palastinian muslims banging israli jews not really a new event.
one guy gets arrested on rape charges who happens to be palastinian, and it gets smacked racist.who is the racist?the society that has watched its yout assimilate, or those who see saber koshour as a palastinian before a rapist, or a human being?

i posted at top multiple sources in the hopes of not providing bias sources, as the israeli/palastinian conflict is rediculously prone to.those are just a few sources, but the rest if you were to google on, are the same.
he was arrested at one point thus locked up, and i wasnt claiming that right now he is.

i also made no reference to his previous (non existant) criminal record either.

although in this case it couldnt be any more irrelevant yes im an athiest jew.the group "israel and friends" i created in the hopes of having a place to post stories not based in propaganda.the rest of the world's media does more than enough of that, i need not willingly contribute to it.
most of my serious posts are about the israeli palastinin conflict.

out of curiosity what does that last paragraph mean,imply,infer,suppose,suggest?
cuz you could have just emailed me to ask, so im just wondering.im not defensive just curious.

Yes, he's Jewish....he says so all the time, but not sure why you think that is relevant, unless of course you feel that fact discredits his opinion, but opinion is basically all any of us are spouting here, and I find his Jewish opinion most compelling. It is good to hear all of the voices in the room, not just the loudest ones.

Freecrack is both Jewish and good people. We just disagree on the egalitarian nature of the State of Israel.

this doesn't have to do so much with the Israel being fucked up so much as it does with one woman, one law and the application therein.

As I have said there are MANY great people in Israel of all faiths. The problem is the country at the moment is being ran by not so nice people. Whenever I see Benjamin Netanyahu I can not help, but see Dick Cheney in a kippa. I think this case beautifully illustrates how Israel is both a modern Democracy and an archaic theocracy all at the same time.

The reason it is relevant is because he has posted an article with statements like this.

"Lets see who follows up, and who selectively ignores reality in creating particular bias's"

It was obvious reading that he was defending something personal, while that doesn't make what he said invalid it does deserve a quick search to verify it.

So I went and looked it up using the provided search link, found that the guy was let off house arrest and has a clean record. I also found that the women has a long history of abuse by her father, and a pattern of accusing men of rape which she can't prove.

So I posted what I found and had a look at his profile, it seemed very bias. So I felt it was relevant because of the aforementioned defensive tone of what he wrote.

I do want to mention that I feel bad for this women, and i do hope she gets some help since she seems to be struggling with her past.

aint that the bitch of it too.if not for this wedge issue..................................................

i dunno about bibi and cheney but it is a democracy and archaic all at the same time.
just for perspective how are our puritans who favor witch burnings doing?
they arent having tea at thier parties

my posts may be all in defense of israel, no contest there, but bias not so much.i dont ignore relevant elements (or at least i try like hell not to) when sharing information about this topic.on my glenn beck posts im a total dick, but this is too important an issue for muttling of facts.

for what it is worth my judaism actualy has little to do with it as i dont believe in god.so i cant believe any land was given to any people by a ficticious ruler.my issue is hate speech of any sort, and being jewish makes me first an fore most aware or antisemitism.i spend time fighting gay bashers and other racists,(especially islamophobes, the new acceptable hatred)but antisemitism is a unique brand that i have first hand knowledge and experience with.i personaly think as a result of slavery we as a culture have great awareness of how the genesis of hate speech can affect innocent people, but we seem to only concern ourselves with the slavery narrative.black face=not cool under any circumstances, but present jews in stereotypical ways complete with a prevolent honker at thats just funny stuff.it got a laugh on leno from halley berry.
just analogous not the real issues.

"Can we have a rape by deception law for our politicians?"

best question to come out of this entire discussion...we definitely need that. Israel may be on to something here....

meatwallet is crass, but also really funny.thank you that was a first for me.

the rape kit concluded it was forced the same as all rape kits conclude the same.
the deception charge was a plea sentence, not indicitive of the actual crime.kind of like when you go to traffic court for blowing a stop sign, and you plea down to a no seat belt charge.

the rape by deception charge as i understand it is the israeli equivilent of our adultry laws.rape by deception's legal basis is in a married person seducing another person by decieving them in terms of thier marital status.the legal basis has nothing to do with race or religion, but was a loop hole the defense attorney found in order to secure a lesser charge for a plea.

the point is that israeli rape cases are no different than ours.rife with controversy as a result of searching for truth and justice.not perfect, but the best thier is.

Meatwallet is hilarious. It reminded me of a rubber being called a "deli-rap".

how can you both say assuming no force was involved and see a hey issue being consent.they are inseperable.you cant have consentual forced sex, it is one or the other.she either lets you in or doesnt.
if you assume no force was involved consent is inherent and vice versa.
she claims she did not consent, and topical medical examinations as wll as a rape kit conclude the same.it overwhelmingly appears she did not consent, or no damage would have been done.
he may have fraudulently presented himself as a jew, but the rape by deception charge is based on marital status wich he was also guilty of being as he is married with children.
his marital status is the direct legal basis for this charge.race only matters to those who decide to make it that way.just like with our hate crimes, it may have absolutely nothing to do with race unless that scope of view is applied by a personal motive.

this woman is a walking disaster, and has little to ne credibility.the fact that some one accepting a rape by deception plea over an aggrivated rape charge speaks volumes as to his guilt.not only did he agree (legaly confessed) that he raped her, he sought a lesser charge for it.

"you cant have consentual forced sex, it is one or the other."

uhhh, yes you can. It's called bondage, but I do err on the side of miniscule detail... ;- )

Does this 'married' man have a habit of seducing unmarried women by presenting himself in bars as available? That's a valid question too. Probably wouldn't be impossible to prove, if it were true, but here is where the woman may have been deceived initially. There are women, however, who will consent to sex with a married man, for whatever reason, so how can you even begin to prosecute on those grounds? You cannot assume that the sex was non-consensual just because he did or did not present himself as married, statistics prove otherwise. You may, however, be able to presume that the woman would never have had sex with him if she knew he was not Jewish, and that may be a cultural thing, certainly not the demon-invoking apartheid-like behavior it is being portrayed as, but then again, men who are married and get caught in this type of deception elsewhere in the world face the often greater wrath of the wife they wronged....but of course if the wife is ruled by sharia law, then her husband didn't wrong her, she is powerless in the equation, and the man is free to be a man whore all he wants until he messes with the wrong Jewish girl. I don't really feel any pity for him.

I missed the part where he confessed to rape. He confessed to sex. Excepting a plea-bargain is not admitting guilt.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/08/rape-by-deception-plea-israel
This article said she had been a sex worker and had accused many others of rape. I think she botched her case by not immediately seeking medical attention and justice.

bondage may leave evidence of what may be construed as forced abusive sex, but no vaginal tearing as penetration is accepted.
yes my hand print on my wifes ass could lead one to conclude she had been abused, but being as it is not forced, a rape kit wouldnt find it to be rape.

I was messing with you....it was an attempt at humor.

thats the part that the previous story has erroniously supposed that is untrue.he wasnt arrested on the grounds of rape by deception, just as al capone wasnt arrested on the grounds of tax evasion, that was just what the end result was.
he was arrested on the charge of raping her and leaving her naked and bloody from the abuse.rape by deception is the loop hole used as a plea, not the basis of his prosecution.this is the damage of propaganda im talking about

In the original story it said NOTHING about him claiming to be Jewish. He merely did not disclose that he was a Muslim. She ASSUMED he was Jewish because of his perfect Hebrew and accent.

"Describing the reduced charge, deputy prosecutor Danny Wittman told Ha'ir: "Plea bargains never match the original narrative of the plaintiff, because the two sides have to bridge the gap between them and reach an agreement. In this case, we gave up on the 'forcible' element and agreed to a rewriting of the indictment, according to which the defendant had sex with the woman with her consent ... obtained with deception."

so I guess the one good thing that has come out of this is that women everywhere will have the opportunity to recognize this guy's face and be forewarned...

he confessed to rape when he accepted the plea.he accepted the guilt of rape by deception when he agreed to the plea.he literaly stated by pleaing down that he accepts the charge of rape by deception.
the fact that this woman has got to be the most discredible person to levy such a charge speaks volumes about his acceptance of a guilty plea via deception.

if a woman falsely accused you of rape, and she had accused fourteen others before you to no avail, and was a drug addict prostiute, would you plea down the charge or opt for full trial for exohneration?

you are leaving out some crucial factors here for people to process this story. The fact that this woman was abused by her own father, and then forced into prostitution speaks volumes about her vulnerability to people like her assailant, and if people don't read the account in its entirety, they miss that part.

I had it explained to me once via a National Geographic video. You see the lions lying in wait in the tall grasses, and they don't pick out the biggest, strongest, best buffalo in the herd to go after. They watch until they find the weakest one, the most vulnerable, they work together to separate it from the rest of the herd, and they take it down. This is the predator/prey instinct, and I think it was much at play in this man's choice of this woman to victimize.

you fucker lol

i acknowledge her flaws of wich thier are many, but i dont care to assume the abuse she suffered dictates her bahavior.i think that would serve to degrade any victim of abuse, despite a pathology of behavior being common.it has a bearing wich the links provided cover, i just dont see it as directly relevant.

It depends on the judge and jury and what my lawyer is telling me and weather I am paying for the lawyer or if he/she is supplied by the state. In this country I would go to trial with the stated evidence. Rape by deception needs a new handle. It confuses the true horror of rape.

The only thing worse then rape is a false accusation of rape. Complete character assassination. This case is a wash without more creditable evidence. BTW I do get that the media has played a less then honorable role in presenting this story.

perhaps because you and I are looking closely at two different things about this story. You are looking more closely at the way the media used this story to further an agenda, and I am looking more closely at the actual story.

really.even if you had a prejudicial jury and judge you would accept the charge of a crime you did not commit?just to clarify as i dont know the full ins and outs of israeli courts, i do know that any citizen of israel has the right to directly petition the supreme court, and it is a free speech society.it seems to me thier legal system is as fair if not more so than ours.i mean the gays are fighting step by step to make it to the supreme court, while in israel they could directly appeal.with free speech being an element at play, and no established corruption noted i dont imagine the deck was stacked against him.if israel had a history of denying israeli muslims the same justice as other israelis i would understand that, but no precident for that exists.it exists only as supposition in relation to this case by those who are in constant persuit of bashing israel.

i agree rape by deception rings odd to us, but i imagine how statitory rape does the same to other cultures.(the french alone must think we are nuts as thier age of consent is rediculously low)kind of like how death to america doesnt literaly mean death to all of us, but rather calling for an end to our supremacy.i think statitory rape also devalues the true horror of rape in the same vien.

i know you know the media angle in this, but the cultural divide is the same play here as it was in the organ harvesting story.
we are told his rape by deception was him claiming to be jewish, when it was a plea not the basis.
we are told that the rabbis in nj were smuggling black market organs on the assumption that organ markets dont exist anywhere in the world when in actuality in israel you can legaly sell your organs.yes they were guilty of breaking our laws, but not guilty of stealing organs.

very true, as wether or not he is guilty is really irrelevant to me.
not to be patronizing at all, but excellent observation that i wouldnt have even thought of if not for you mentioning it.
i vote you get a job at the un, that ability to stand back and analyticaly evaluate is rare and valuable

I completely missed the organ harvesting story. I saw it but knew it was garbage written to get a rise out of a group of haters. If I was a black man in the south I would take the plea deal.

I have been arrested and convicted of resisting arrest. I did not resist I reacted to physical abuse by the police while I had my hand cuffed behind my back. The judge said to the jury that anything I did that put me in danger was resisting. It did not matter that the police were purposely inflicting pain. My public defender could have gotten me off by actually trying, but she didn't. Her words after losing" I wonder what was up that juries ass?". The prosecution twisted my words and the events of that night. Juries tend to believe cops or supposed experts; right or wrong.

i hear ya, and dont deny contemperary legal proceedures are massively flawed.i just in this case dont see the deck being stacked against him.had your arresting officer had a 14 other incidents of this, as well as other various elements that destroyed his credibility, it would have been a kin to this case.plus rape cases are so vague in terms of facts.you were the victim of one mans word being viewed as authoritative and a jury who ate that up.

the black man in the south is the narrative the anti-israel guys are striving for, and isnt completely unreasonable as in israel the european community has a strained relationship with the arab community regardless of religion.(hamas and fatah sling hyperbole and lies, but arab jews hit the anglos where it hurts).but the unique element is that the systematic injustice of our southern legal system isnt a reality in israel.it is espoused by israel detractors, but aside from this story being used in that narrative falsely, it just doesnt exist.if israeli muslims were being targeted and unfairly imprisoned with any kind of regularity, you bet your ass the million (or one third of the population) would be fuckin shit up.
if it were like the "black guy did it" of our south, israeli muslims would be all over the israeli supreme court wich they are allowed to appeal to.but it just isnt happening.not that you were accusing just taking the analogous opportunity to put it out there.

well thanks for the compliment, but I'll pass on the UN...nauseatingly ineffective organization.

as always, interesting discussion with you. You are definitely tenacious and engage the analytical evaluator in me.

Not necessarily . You can consent to force. And your consent can be invalidated because of fraud making it rape even when there was no force involved. The absence or presence of one doesn’t necessarily mean the other is absent or present.

im not entirely sure she knows as she is a mess, but medical professionals do thanks to rape kits.he admited having sex with her any way.

Consensual sex can cause vaginal tearing. The three day old rape kit is very little evidence of a crime. Again the only way rape by deception could fly is if he slipped her a Micky.

I think I was raped by my daughters mother. She told me she loved to garden and live off the land. It turned out she hated dirt and loves the clean order of antiseptic white wall living. She is no hippie. I thought I was making a baby with a hippie, because that is what she told me.

Bad choices in sexual partners are just that. It pays to really get to know someone before dropping your britches. Sexual congress is not a contract.

this woman sounds like a walking target for victimization, given her history, and I can see why they wouldn't want to put her on the stand. Clearly, the rape kit presented more than the standard evidence a rape kit provides, and that evidence seems to support her accusations of a violent, non-consensual sexual encounter more than his claim of consent. It is a shame that in order to protect the victim, the assailant was able to rouse an international uproar against his lesser sentence, and YES, I get it, there is more going on in the media involvement with this story than the story itself supports.

it's not too hard to make israel look bad. Even if you get rid of this case all together, israel still looks bad. And for good reason.

not really cuz, it is a compilation of lies like this that do it.
the palastinian organ harvesting story gets global acknowledgement as an example of israeli evils.
then when it is debunked it that is not reported.
similarly the rabbis smuggling organs here got massive press under the guise of organ theft.
then when it comes to light that israel allows organ sales (thus making it not theft) that part is not reported.
israel only looks bad to those who obsess over operation cast lead (wich by the way was the one and only attack israel made on gaza in decades), or if you are focused on white phosphorous.other than that everything else is bullshit parading as fact.if israel looks bad, you just arent really paying attention.
the flotilla got multiple stories posted on here alone, one of wich broke the thousand comment mark.
http://current.com/news/92637910_flotilla-follow-up-apathy.htm
the follow up investigation was posted by only me with zero comments and only 6 views.so what is the story in our collective conciousness at the end of the day? that the flotilla was an act of fundamentalist aggression masquerading as humanatarianism wich the investigation concluded, or israel attacked an aid ship?
we can all think we are right, but it doesnt make it so.
no matter how many heritics european powers decapitated the earth still revolves around the sun.
and no matter how many times the israel is demonized it is still a democracy comprable to ours.

"no matter how many times the israel is demonized it is still a democracy comprable to ours."

yes

Objection your Honor, Mr. Stoned Road is speculating.
Judge Zvi Segal referred to the "rape by deception" as not "a classical rape by force."
As for the prosecution not wanting to cross-examine the witness, did you ever think she may be emotionally compromised by the fact that (as the forensic evidence showed), she was forcibly raped?
Does that make a difference to you?

have you ever seen a case that was clear cut and still had plea bargening?
this chick is a fucking mess, and cross examining her would be damaging to the case for both sides.if the guy was so supremely innocent he wouldnt have pled to a lesser charge.this was he middle of the road where a rapist had an opportunity in the face of physical evidence avoid having the victim further demonize him.just as it may have played well for him as she is a disaster, the tearfull testimony of a rape victim isnt going to help him any.
this is ascumbag who saw an opportunity to get off lighter than he should by taking rape by deception over aggrivated rape if he pleads.
with a street walker as demented as this poor soul if he didnt do it he would have walked.the plea is admittance of the crime, most likely as a result of physical evidence linking him.

Gee, thank you Al Jazeera, the Fox Noise of the middle east. Better get a more credible source than that. And I want to state for the record that my comment is based solely on the article posted above. Reasonable deniability. ;)

exactly what makes this latest developement news, as it shows how erronious the initial reports were, with a heavy bias towards demonizing israel above journalism.please trut post all the examples you can of the various lies that were told as fact.that is the entire point of this post

are you of the opinion that al jazeera is in the habit of allowing legitimate jewish authorities of any sort on thier programing? remember al jazeera broadcasts to people who when swine flu was happening here, went on a rampage slaughtering pigs as if they were gunna catch it from them. al jazeera's audiance dont tolerate a jew on thier tv screen, unless it is to hate on other jews.
i mean we have free speech and msnbc and fox play that game, but you think in the middle east al jazeera offers an unbias jewish voice?

she found out he wasn't Jewish and then said she was raped, case closed.

I'm with you Trut, bitch is just bein a bitch. There shouldn't be rape laws dependent on race... That's just fucked up, and leads me to believe that bitch is a bitch.

nope, that is what you enjoyed claiming but the actual court case says otherwise.
its like saying oj simpson had nothing to do with his wifes murder case closed, just that simple.

thier arent rape laws based on race.the rape by deception charge exists in the same fashion our adultery laws exist.in this case his race was actually a loop hole allowing him to recieve a plea.he wasnt charged or convicted based on his race, but availed of a lesser charge and sentence as a result of it.
if he had been an single israeli jew, he wouldnt have been able to even attempt to plea this down and would have been sentence according to aggrivated rape.

while her personal motives may be racist as all hell, it doesnt negate the fact that he had an orgasm inside her body with out it being wanted.that is what he was convicted of, and at the least level possible as a result of his race.

The Rape kit was done SEVERAL days after the sexual encounter with Mr. Kushour. For all we know she could have had a Gang Bang with the French Foreign Legion in the interim.

“for all we know” my gods what a heart you must have. Let us hope she will never have to experience a lower sensitivity then yours.
For all we know for it is only what we will ever know unless some new admissible evidence comes forward, is that Mr. Saber Kushour admitted too and was convicted of “rape by deception.”
Now let us see if the a-hole wins his appeal. My guess is that unless the appeal is extradited in a reasonable amount of time, Mr. Kushour will walk on time served. In the US that would be oh, 9 months. Not bad for forcing a woman to take his penis and be subjected to his sexual powers and seed on the pretext of a lie at the very least. Not bad at all.
Why don’t you get a collection and put some money on his books? I bet he’d love some cigarettes and maybe chocolate, Ramen Noodles, new snuggly sox, etc. After all, I am sure you will agree that he will have to endure 9 long months in jail, while all that tail has to do is take a damned shower. Right?

Oh yes, if the rape kit was done several days later, and it was positive for forced rape, the kit had certain results.
One) The only genetic material in her vagina was from Mr. Saber Kushour and the victim alone.
Two) Positive evidence of forced vaginal entry like torn vaginal tissue indicative of a rape.
Even after three days, evidence of a rape can be factually sound. However, that will not necessarily pass the reasonable doubt test by the judge. So perhaps it was the reported time factor, if true, that got the prosecution to go for the lesser charge. The Headline here should be, Saber Kushour pulls an OJ!

As the Father of a teenage Daughter I am by no means insensitive to the issue of rape. I am also not insensitive to the issue of injustice as well. This case reeks of so much reasonable doubt a second year Law Student at a third rate Law School could get this guy acquitted. Hell I have never practiced Law and have been out of Law School for almost 20 years. I could get this one quashed with a directed verdict at the first pre-trial hearing.

It is highly unlikely there was any sperm found in this Womans Vagina after three days. I would guess if there was any sperm found at all it was taken from her Panties assuring she was wearing any. That just proves they had Sex he admits to that. She could have had sex with LOTS of other people in the ensuing three days. I do not believe in sending people to prison for something they "MIGHT" have done.

The Judge even admitted at sentencing that this was "NOT" a classical forced rape situation. Knowing the Propaganda Machine of Israel I am sure this latest story is just some damage control Bull$h!t. Heaven forbid the world thinks that Israel discriminates against Arab Muslims. ;-)

yet it was his genetic material found in her, not the lakers or the french legions

i hate that this debate unavoidably ends up being a propaganda battle.

if the video you posted was accurately representative of the state of existance the palastinians as a whole are subjected to, then the current pod couldnt exist.
are you supposing that current is propagandizing on behalf of israel?
cuz your video is just random clips void of context, wich is textbook propaganda.
if crystalman posted a video in the same manor showing a compilation of stills displaying palastinian agression towards israelis you would call that as zionist propaganda would you not?
that wouldnt be valid, but to you the same bias bullshit from the other side is credible?

Do I hear guilt? Do I hear the vein defensive cry of a man trying to self rationalize his own suddenly self doubted long held repulsive convictions? Well stop beating yourself up over ridicules self doubt. After all you have certainly exonerated yourself by telling us you have a daughter, since that would be absolute proof that someone was not sexist.
Gee I have a daughter and five granddaughters, and I would also be sensitive enough to say, “For all we know she could have had a GANG BANG with the FRENCH FOREIGN LEGION in the interim,” after I heard about a rape victim. No chauvinism there, just plane spoken truth. Interestingly, that is the same kind of rhetoric I have heard before from accused and convicted rapists, those poor victims.
Speaking of gang bangs, if I decide to get laid by 15 guys in one night, and the last one rapes me, it is clearly ALL my fault because I was enjoying a gang bang? My rapist would be innocent because I am a slut. That is some serious clear and unbiased thinking and ranks right up there with women in Iran deserving to get stoned to death because they allowed themselves to be somewhere where a guy could rape them. Oh yeah, may I suggest that you buy your daughter a Burkha, as that would help her to avoid any moral mistakes on her part. Right Dad, I mean you do what you can, right?
Oh BTW you accidentally misquoting the judge, you also seem to have a slight lack of knowledge about microbiology, and the mishandling of the case by the victim A VERY COMMAN ACCURENCE FOR RAPED WOMEN, allowed poor Mr. Kushour to plea the case down to a lesser charge. Damn his defense team. F’ing Public Pretenders all of them! Grrrrr!
You’re right; I too could have got the violent rape charged dismissed given the technicalities of the case. But apparently Mr. Kushour, as so called male chauvinists would clearly define as a victim of those pesky Having Sex While Male Laws, was way too happy to spend a relaxing 9 months in jail for raping a “prostitute,” rather then ever being convicted of a greater charge. I am sure he was just practicing forgiveness toward his accusers, and did not want to burden the tax payers. After all, there are school books to buy. What a great human being.
The so called victim on the other hand, will always be a so called victim of rape with all the horrible psychological, possibly physical, and certainly social consequences of that; a life sentence she caused herself. I mean this entire thing is clearly her fault. After all she is just a whore right? And how many times has she accused guys of raping her? I mean we all know whores never get raped and are seldom victimized in any way. Besides on the very rare occasion that a whore is raped, she has to expect it and not complain! After all she is a WHORE, and rape is a chosen occupational risk, just like truck drivers accepting the greater risk of death through vehicle accidents!
It is also akin to the exact same thing as when a woman complains about her husband raping her. How can he rape her when they are married? Heck she married him, just like the whore went to bed with a rapist! It was her choice and she should live with those consequences. I am sure any clear thinking man such as you, would agree with that logic.
I cannot tell you how happy I am that your daughter has you as a father. I am secure in the undeniable fact that you will teach her the proper and moral way to take responsibly for her own actions, PLUS all the consequences of any sexual actions you with your morally clear-seeing eye would consider repellent. Why I think every girl out there should know that like a bag of gold, if she lets a guy get to it, she has to not complain when her gold is stolen. It is her fault for not keeping that gold secure where a thief can steal it. I am sure you agree. Your daughter should grow up with the proper moral values ingrained in her. Good job and congratulations! You are a great Dad and a good man. Father of the fucking year.

I am not sure if your problem is reading or comprehension.

as i understand it, and im not a hundred percent on it, but the rape by deception concept exists like how we had adultery as a crime.it was meant as rape by deception if you were married as no one would have consentual sex with a married person.of course like adultury laws this one is that not a real crime,crime, but a folly in judgements.

the part that makes this news, not rehashing of an old story, or blind spin is that as it turns out the sex was not consentual.check out any of the links associated with the top one.from the guardian,the bbc,jerusalem post,toronto sun times is the report that his conviction was based on a rape kit, and general evaluation by doctors concluded she was raped.she said he raped her, he said the sex was consentual, and the science says it was rape.
that is what is new here.

the fact that he is muslim and palastinian is only relevant in creating grounds for him to recieve a lesser sentence than aggrivated rape, battery, and assault.the reality is in this case it is his minority status in israel that created the grounds for him to be punished less not more.the basis for the charge wasnt racial, but literal.he raped her!!!!!!!!!

the reality of what happened is the opposite of what was previously reported as fact, and your analogy even in the face of these new facts ignores the truth.this isnt about putting israel in a light that looks good, but correcting the missinformation so common with our media coverage of israel.
organ harvesting gets mainstream press from fox to the bbc and everywhere in between, but when it was debunked nothing.so thier it stays as an untrue fact.
this is always the case, and here we are again.
when this story broke four stories got posted, two by trut alone, all of wich claiming the narrative you outlined in your above analogy.now that the facts of the court case have become public (via appeals process) that previous story is false.but thier it stays as untrue fact, so much so you just retold the lie.

the truth is as elusive as ever

"the part that makes this news, not rehashing of an old story, or blind spin is that as it turns out the sex was not consentual."

I disagree. This is the part that makes it NOT news. It only turns out that the sex was non-consensual because she says so. He says it was, there were no witnesses, so in the end, it is nothing more than a he said, she said, with a 3-day-old rape kit that would be non-conclusive evidence in any other court system, with the notable exception of Islamic courts, where they wouldn't even bother with evidence.

They barely take 24 hour rape kits as conclusive evidence...and across the globe, the "he said, she said" rape is, unfortunately, a common occurrence. Most women don't even report when it occurs because they don't want to face the humiliation of an investigation and court appearance. Granted, Islamic treatment of rape victims is barbaric, but this isn't about Islamic rape victims.

I am not going to argue that media did not jump on this and attempt to use it to further demonize Israel, but even that is NOT news, happens all the time. People who think for themselves know this. The fact remains that the burden of proof (at least in this country) is supposed to be on the accuser, not the accused, and this woman's word against this man's word, plus a 3-day-old rape kit, does not prove her accusation. Everything else is just hype surrounding the case, and it certainly seemed to get more air time than cases like the Iranian woman who is facing a stoning death based on accusation and innuendo.

what makes it news is that the facts run counter to what was previously reported.the story was "man arrested for rape cuz he was palastinian" and the fact is "man was arrested for rape by the same standards anyone would be in a free society irrespective of race"
it isnt just he said she said wich all rape cases are based on.a rape kit concludes it was rape, as well as topical medical evaluation.his genetic material was the only material found.most of all the conviction wasnt an innocent man pleading not guilty, but a guilty man taking a plea.
the news here is that the story, in reality,is almost the exact opposite of what had been previously reported.

notice though wich story in this case gets more attention.the story that demonizes israel, or the follo up that exhonerates israel.i saw this story posted four times on here, as well as splattered all over npr and cnn, but the follow up is a passing notation.

i agree that this case like all other rape cases is rife with doubt, especialy as this chick is a walking disaster.the thing is though, what he was convicted of was a plea.he agreed to take this lesser charge over the full aggrivated rape,assualt,and battery charges.why would an innocent man do this, especially if the burden of proof is on her and she is shady at best?

"why would an innocent man do this, especially if the burden of proof is on her and she is shady at best?"

dunno, you would have to ask him that. Prisons in the US are full of innocent and guilty people who took plea bargains because their lawyers advised them it was the lesser of two evils. I'm not arguing your points, just saying the rape case itself wouldn't hold water in our courts based upon merely her word and a 3-day-old rape kit, particularly if they threw in her history, which they like to do. They won't even hardly bother with a rape kit in this country after 24 hours because it is a grueling process, and often not even admissible. They would never get a conviction unless there was additional evidence, and there may have been, and they are just not making that part of the trial public.

You are absolutely right, however, were it not Israel, this story wouldn't have gotten the media exposure it has.

the thing with plea baragins is those in jail who are innocent and settled for the plea bargains do so as the deck is stacked against them to such a degree it is a preferable option compared to being found full on guilty.in this case so much room exists on so many levels for him to be aquited makes a plea truer than not.unless this guy suffers from some massive attention deficit disorder or something, and finds the legal process to be more torturous than a prison sentence his plea of guilty stands.
if i were in his shoes and was innocent i would plead so.i would have no problem going up against a prostitute who claims rape all the time, a three day old rape kit, and no actual evidence of rape aside from that.i think any innocent person would.not only to avoid prison, but to save my name if nothing else.but he plead.

well, I think you and I can agree that nothing much about this story makes sense. It is bizarre from just about any angle and the truth could be any number of scenarios. Maybe she did go with him willingly. Maybe she did initially consent to intimate contact, and maybe he is the kind of man who has no respect for other human beings, detected her vulnerability and proceeded to have violent sex with her. Violent sex is something that few women consent to, so that constitutes rape, but she may be naive enough to have not understood the potential risk she was taking, and her prior experience would strongly suggest that, plus the fact that she states she just wanted to be able to trust someone. Something tells me this man didn't finish the way he started. You are looking at media portrayal of the way the courts handled the incident, and I am looking at the details of what took place between these two people. If he knows he was violent with her, and they had the evidence to prove that, I can see why he would have taken the plea, while still claiming the initial encounter was consensual. In fact, most rapes follow a similar path of reasoning, if you can call it reasoning.

Where's the new news, freecrack? This appears to be the exact same story, exact same circumstances.
Honesty is the best policy, granted. It's just when in Israel, impersonate a Jew and you may end up in prison. For not being a Jew.

It is FAR worse than that. This guy did not tell her he was Jewish. He got in trouble becasuse he did NOT tell her he was a Muslim.

Nasty, nasty little apartheid nation.

the difference here is the rape by deception charge wasnt used as a racist means to erroniously abuse an innocent man with as you had posted twice, now three times. but a plea bargain used to get a palastinian muslim man a lesser charge than straight up rape.
despite you still holding on to the premise that the reason for his arrest, trial, and sentencing was his race or religion, it turns out it was a medical examination,rape kit,and matching statements that did this.it was a straight up legit rape case with absolutely nothing prejudicial about it.
if anything, his not being jewish was used in this case, in this israeli court, as a means to be less harsh on him, not more.

the news is that "palastinian man rapes jewish woman gets lesser sentence than aggrivated rape"
not"palastinian man arrested for petending to be jewish for sex".it was rape regardless if he said he was a klingon.he got punished.the only crime here was comitted by him, no one else.

no he got in trouble for sticking his dick in a nonwilling vagina.regardless of what religion or race you are in israel, just like here, when you do that you are subject to prison time.

yeah so nasty and mean when they arrest a palastinian rapist they DONT throw the book at him, wait huh?