ISRAELI RAPE BY DECEPTION CASE: FOLLOW UP
source: http://www.google.com/search?q=rape+by+deception&hl=en&prmd=ivn&source=univ&tbs=nws:1&tbo=u&...
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http://www.google.com/search?q=rape+by+deception&hl=en&prmd=ivn&sourc...
Last month a story came to light that was truly odd.The story as it was told was that a jewish woman filed charges against a Palistinian man she had slept with, claiming it was rape because he lied to her about his backround.Saber Kushour, a Palastinian muslim was arrested, tried, and sentenced to 18 months of prison on the charge of rape by deception.http://current.com/news/92580014_palestinian-man-convicted-of-rape-by-deception-...
http://current.com/news/92560815_he-impersonated-a-human.htm
http://current.com/news/92558827_lies-before-sex-gets-man-prison-time.htm
(initial coverage of this story on current for easy reference)
As Saber Kushour appeals the decision, more information about this case has been brought forward.As it turns out the charge of rape by deception was issued as a plea, not a reach to persecute an innocent man.previous accounts presented the sex to be consentual despite it being a legitimate rape, while using the case as an example of how racist a society Israel is.At the end of the day, in fact Mr Kushour had not only been accused based on a legitimate charge, but wasnt punished to the fullest extent of Israeli law.The reality is a Palastinian man raped an Israeli woman and was locked away.Not beheaded,Not stoned,Not suffering any injustice.This case as it turns out is no different than it would have been had it happened here.Credibility of all parties was evaluated, a rape kit was done, and he admited having sex, that the rape kit concluded to be forced.
The irony is if it were not for Israel having a rape by deception law to use, Mr Kushour would have been worse off.
Lets see who follows up, and who selectively ignores reality in creating particular bias's.
In an attempt to not be as bias, the top link brings you a variety of sources to reference, not a just a partisan one.
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No they jailed a Palestinian liar because a Jewish lady was disgusted that she willingly slept with a non Jew.
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wow this is a new level of rediculous.
-an erronious story comes out that serves to demonize israel (ie jews)
-then the story is proven to be the opposite of what was previously reported.despite that being what the entirety of global journalism is reporting, you choose to stick with yesterdays wrong information as the truth.
this guy could literaly rape some one in front of you, and you would stick to the unjust persecution story.
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Nah, just the latest Jewish spin to make Israeli justice look less apartheid-ish.
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In his verdict, Judge Zvi Segal conceded that it was NOT "a classical rape by force". He added: "If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have CO-OPERATED."
Now that Israel is RIGHTFULLY catching hell for being a racist Muslim hating country the narrative has changed. He screwed her dry and threw her in the street crying, naked, & bleeding. This sounds like a Classic forced rape to me.
Either the Judge was lieing them or the Israeli Propagandist are lieing now. I am putting my money on the latter.
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but I think the point you are missing freecrack is that people question why Israel even needs to employ a "rape by deception charge." Why is that even a valid plea bargain category?
There seems to be a lack of evidence to prove any kind of rape took place, and without that evidence, the US court system would not be able to use a "rape by deception" charge, nor would it need to in order "to get a palastinian muslim man a lesser charge than straight up rape" if the evidence, or lack thereof, did not uphold the straight up charge of rape.
Granted again, we have self-appointed our own right to judge the justice system of another nation based on how we define justice in our own nation, and God knows we don't always do a very good job of upholding the justice we are so quick to use to judge other systems, but in the end, the question remains, did a rape in fact occur?
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"then the story is proven to be the opposite of what was previously reported"
but if a 3 day-old rape kit is what has "proven" this woman's allegations, then it isn't much of a case. If there is more to it than even that, well, we may not have access to that information, but from everything I've read, this is a straight up "he said, she said," which is why women should not leave bars with men they don't know, and men should not have sex with women they don't know.
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nope not jewish spin, as this comes from sources that are pro and anti israel alike.but by all means it sure is reasonable to think that israel controls the entirety of global media including al-jazeera.that is a really logical conclusion.
speaking of wich if that is the case how is it that israel aside from this instance keeps getting bad press by the very media you think they are spinning?
is it like a part time conspiracy thing.like israel controls the media only on alternate thursdays or something? - 2 years ago
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one could ask the same about why adultery is a valid plea bargain category.in the israeli judicial system just as in ours, it is understood that married people arent supposed to have sex with other people than thier spouses.rape by deception is a charge levied against men and woman who decieve those they seduce by claiming to be single.while the phrasing may be different, it is no different than our adultery laws.
this could be done similarly in england with our concept of treason being expressed by the british as crimes against her majesty.same concept, but different culural presentations.while the evidence is sketchy, in the face of that he chose the plea.he didnt try to prove his innocence.he had a very good chance of going through this case and coming out clean as he has no priors and she has nothing but priors.despite her being a prostitute,alcoholic,drug addict,who has charged 14 other men with the same crime and was never successfull at getting a conviction, he chose a plea.the reality is at the end of that trial had he not plead guilty he may have gotten off (pun kind of intended) or at the least if the judge was racist got tagged with this charge.he opted to settle for the rape by deception charge wich speaks volumes.
doesnt every case end with the question did a rape occur?
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the story is proven to be the opposite of what was previously reported in that the story was he was arrested for having consentual sex with a woman under flase pretences.he was arrested for having NONconsentual sex, and his sentence wasnt indicitive of why he was arrested, but a result of a loop hole plea.
not only was he not erroniously arrested for racial reasons, he got a lesser sentence as a result of his race.if his race played any role inthis case at all, it was to his benefit, not his detriment.
that is how it is the opposite of what was previously reported. - 2 years ago
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If you TRULY want to understasnd how Isreali Propagand weorks you must watch this documentary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCL6WdnuNp4 . It would be accurate to say that Israel does not control all the media in the world. They do hold sway with enough of the important ones to get their lies out as truth.
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no, not every case, not by a long shot. There are some that are clear convictions, usually appalling details, underage victims, but let's not go there. I get what you are saying, and I'm just saying the whole thing remains suspect, on both sides, and probably MOST rape cases end with the question, did a rape occur, and I think the other often unasked question is, do both parties involved agree and understand that a rape took place? By taking the plea, yes, he more or less sealed his fate, but you cannot assume he took the plea because he was guilty. Like I said elsewhere, our prisons are full of people who took pleas on their inept lawyer's advice, and were innocent of the crimes they were convicted of...DNA is rapidly changing that endgame, but this is definitely not a clear case.
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seems like the decision to plea bargain him backfired on both him and the courts.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Z869d0qOY
are you really so hatefull that you are content to settle for propaganda in lue of truth.yes zionists will manipulate media.the left will do the same, and niether are indicitive of anything more than idealoges manipulating those willing to be manipulated.fox does it for republicans, msnbc does it for liberals.it is not media contol, but perspective manipulation that all are guilty of.
here is the propaganda counterance to your video.anytime you care to go beyond scare tactic propaganda, you know i am more than willing to discuss.but if this is the level of discourse you insist upon, just talk to crystalman.you two can volley propaganda back and forth to no actual end all day.
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You pretty much just said "hey the Israelis arent so bad... they couldve just executed him instead of locking him up for 18 months." I thought Israel was supposed to be a Democracy? How is it ok to lock people up for not mentioning their religion before having sex?
edit: sorry i read a few different articles now and it seems that he did forcibly rape her. My bad.
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i apologize as i have dueling vailed comparisons running concurrently in regards to israel.
the "israelis arent so bad" notion was a subtle jab at the people who defend the palastinians on humanatarian grounds against israel.point obviously being that in israel he gets a trial, and in ramallah jews are killed for sport, no crime,no arrest,no trial,no justice of any sort.as far as israel following democratic standards he was not locked up for not mentioning his religion before having sex.he was locked up because he was found to be guilty of rape irrespective of his race or religion.medical examinations concluded she had been abused.a rape kit concluded she had been raped.the forensic evidence including genetic material matched with her statement of events more so than his.in what democracy does that not get one locked up for rape?
the charge of rape by deception is the israeli cultural equivilant of our crime of adultery.rape by deception means the sex would not have happened had one party not decieved the other as to that parties marital status.that is the actual charge he plead to.that is the sentencing he recieved.it has absolutely nothing to do with race being as mr koshour is married with children.
the race issue was what anti israel media espoused, that the actual court case a cricumstances refute clearly.the notion that he was arrested based on his race was propaganda, and the worlds (not just zionist) media have now shown that.
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yeah that was the story told originaly wich isnt even close to what actualy happened.feel free to read the NEW developements as opposed to just stating the old propaganda
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Clearly, you did not follow all of the links and read what was posted.
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I would suggest that you go read the story in its entirety before you comment, you might see a few things that are not apparent in the comments section. These are very murky waters, and unfortunately, they grow even murkier if people don't read all of the available information before they comment.
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You have to read the entire story, or that is actually what you are being led to believe by the omission of some very relevant details in the original account....which, ironically, is what freecrack has been trying to say all day.
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I've got to hand it to you, you've kept swinging all day. You are persistent. Is that a Jewish thing?
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Yeah i read a bunch of articles as opposed to just the one. It appears that he did physically rape her which is obviously not good. I hate the fact that some of the sources omitted relevant information. My own fault for not following through though thanks for the heads up.
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My bad i only read the one story. I looked at some of the outside sources and youre right it appears that he did rape her. Soooo ima stfu and gtfo now...
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actualy if you watch dont mess with the zohan, it is true the persistance is both an israeli and palastinian thing.sandler really nailed it in that one.
i only keep swinging when the facts are one thing, but the story has become another. - 2 years ago
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honestly, that is awesome cuz that is my whole point with this.this story isnt really that important, it is just a rape case.rape is the most horrible thing that can happen to a person, but still it is far to commonplace to be "news".my whole thing is that i studied the art of propaganda specifically as it pertains to jew bashing.
the point isnt who is right or wrong.he is a scumfuck for rawdogging a chick he has know for all of 5 minutes, and shes got a liteny of negatives.the point is that the propaganda works by sensationalizing lies, and downplaying the truth, thus creating an alternat reality opposed to the actual one.you werent wrong, you were manipulated effectively thus proving the point that im not making this shit up.just as the right demonizes islam (overtly as they are simple in all they do) the left does it cleverly and effectively to jews.
http://current.com/news/92637910_flotilla-follow-up-apathy.htm
what is the concensus as to the backstory on the flotilla from a few moths back compared to the reality.how many people were left with the idea that the israelis are dicks for stopping essentials from getting to gaza, as the story was told? check out the link, not my bit that is just venom spitting.they bash us today on billboards in time square, then make retractions on pamphlets in canada.(jews that is)
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