Harry Reids Dream Act – Cap and Gown Amnesty for Votes

agreed, and we are the most giving country in the world as well. many american individuals willing to donate and help others who face tragedy around the world. after weeding through the hate amerika speech we hear on the streets and written about on here. it says a lot about what a great and giving country we really are. most of us can be proud of who we are and what america truly represents.

isn't that your company? you guys got douche bags?

there are plenty of conservatives in the middle east already, much worse than us. at least we dont go around beheading and stoning folks to death in the good ol us of a

except in the military

That is true, the conservatives in the Middle East are worse- but the only reason why is because there they have the power to do as they please.

Here, the Conservatives are limited by the Liberals, and our perpetual tug of war.

If Jerry Fallwell and Oral Roberts had their way, you WOULD see people being beheaded and stoned.

If you enjoy your freedom, thank a Liberal.

damn straight

even those of us on the right who have a brain ( i know an oxymoron to some of you) have never taken the extremist religious element like fallwell seriously. he could be compared to guys like imam rauf on the other side. so you can also thank your freedom to free thinking open minded patriots like me

imam rauf on WHAT other side?
You are calling HIM a liberal, just because he is not as wacko as other religious leaders?

Liberal religion includes Unitarian Universalism, Quakers, some Anglicans, and a number of others- although no living celebrity ministers come to mind. While there are Moderates in Islam, I don't know of any Liberal Islamic branches.

No, your assessment of Jerry Falwell is not true, based on the wealth, power and influence the man had. He founded the Moral Majority. Organizations like his, and Focus on the Family, and the Discovery Institute, are not some fringe aspect of the right wing.

They are the CORE of the right wing.

Fundamentalist Christianity IS the GOP.

If you REALLY want to be an open minded patriot, then be a Liberal.

Heck, do you even know what the word "liberal" and the phrase "open minded" mean?

and if you are so "open minded", tell Sparky2U what you think of his comments:

http://current.com/news/92675041_montana-gop-policy-make-homosexuality-illegal.h...

Excellent post- and the right-wing trolls here will never understand it.

To them, it is simply SPICS = BAD!

we on the right never use such trashy words to make a point, only the left bring up epithets like that and pretend we do. we use words like illegals, illegal immigrants, illegal aliens etc. a bit more respectful then you always attempt to portray. and you still keep up your silly accusations and rhetoric that we are against these people. how many different ways do we have to keep repeating we're ok with immigration, just fuckin do it legal? whether youre educated or a field worker.

To me even the term illegal when referring to a person is trashy. How can a person's existence be illegal? What you're really saying is that they came to this country illegally. They committed an illegal act. That does not mean that they ARE illegal.
This is especially true in the context of the DREAM act which deals with children whose parents brought them to this country when they were little. If someone robs a bank they are a criminal. If someone robs a bank and happens to be holding their 2 year old baby the entire time, are the police going to charge the two year old with armed robbery as well? Should that child be called a criminal all his life because of what his parent did?
Think about it. Why call these kids illegals? Just let them graduate and become citizens, it won't hurt anybody.

Yeah, we all just imagined Dr Laura chanting the N-word over and over.

Did you even notice the post at the top of this page?

It's about a new LEGAL way for college-educated immigrants to remain in this country, thus it's LEGAL immigration.

And if conservatives honestly were all-for immigration and just against their illegal status, then why round them up and ship them back? Why not just hand them a stack of papers to fill out?

uhhhh cause they are according to federal law.unless they were born here as an anchor baby. but thats a law to change another day

dont fogret msnbc,but most of the media is pretty corprate

What you appear to miss is that these "kids" have been illegals suckling off Americas Tit. Visa's my ass.
Send their asses back to their own country of origin...God knows they need some Educated Brain Power in their own countries!

your mother must be proud of you.

oh i just love sucking at americas titties with my anti american self

as a conservative you should also learn better than not to impose big government on others

What people also don't realize is that a lot of these kids have been in this country since they were toddlers or longer. The US is where they are from, it is all they know, and it is their home. It's not their fault that their parents brought them here as young children-- why should they be persecuted for it?
If they work hard in school and want to go to college and contribute to society why should we fight them? I'm really having a hard time understanding this.

except in womans wombs and and the bedroom.but other than that big gov bad

legalize marijuana,put narcotics on a pharmecutical perscription that way we cannot only eliminate 60 percent but pretty much all the drug market

Most of your post is unrealistic at best, BS at the worst. Damage to our Job Market? Are you freaking kidding me? Why not stock piranhas in all of Americas lakes while you're at it.

your the worst

ok how does it not make sense i mean even the conservative crowd admit the immigrants are taking our jobs please debate with me instead of pie fighting

many immigrants dont even want to come here but are force to like corn farmers who receive cheap corn

and nafta was brought by a democrat even you as a conservative should oppose a measure like this in order for a more freemarket unless im sadly mistaken and your a liberal

i mean i really dont want freemarkets but you as a conservative should know better instead of pie fighting me

taking or picking up?

uhh no the democrats dont really support them

and trusting a capitalist party doesnt make you a socialist either

well they sure dont shit on them at every chance like the republicans do

dont mistake my icon for a political philosophy if you bothered to check my bio I'm more Egalitarian. And just cause you have a pic of yourself flipping the bird don't make you a hard ass either, chump.

damn straight im a hard ass lol but than why dont you call youself a egalitarian i mean if you follow that because something is state owned that makes it socialist is not true how do i know this i read marx

and i cant belive your pretty much doing pie fights with me my point is the democrats are capitalist and they would like to keep it that way

true but they are a capitalist party plus i as a socialist has been criticized by the democrats and republicans

so your saying this sites critism of chavez is not insulting

OMG those damn democrates are helping people again! how dare they do that when they know it make people like them and want to vote for them.

Yeah, ok, Helping themselves to more Voter Fraud more likely esse-vato.

Commie Scum !!! Where is Home Land Security when ya need em !

I'm still trying to wrap my brain about a socialist trusting a capitalist society. Why would someone think that?
I agree, I see Reps, Dems, they're both essentially the same. Dems just are less soulless about it.

i know right ...oh well

you as a conservative are against big government so why do you want big gov on me

as we should

chavez sucks donkey dongs

hugh laurie in his youth?

now if you had a video of that, it would be a worth wild post.

chavez is awesome

The conservatives issue is with regard to "illegal" immigrants (which you conveniently are obfuscating). . . which apparently the liberals wish to exploit in violation of our national sovereignty laws to secure enough votes to stay in power. . .just another example of ethical relevance with this lawless administration.

Nobody buys into the conservatives bullshit fig leaf that they are only concerned with "illegal" immigrants but welcome with open arms anyone who has traversed the obstacle course set up to discourage immigration in the first place.

how many immigrants didnt come here illegaly compared to legaly?
how many of the irish applied for visas patiently awaiting approval as famine struck?
how many italians came to america with prearrangements?
shit the fucking pilgrims were illegals.

its like saying parolees are all bad cuz they were criminals.well one must first be a criminal in order be parolled.up until the moment people swear the oath they are illegals, same people.illegal one day legal the next, it is how we do.

your comment supposes this is new that democrats get votes from illegals.it isnt really news as it has been a right wing complaint for decades.the right just doesnt have the ability to serve its base and appeal to illegals, if they did you can bet "illegal voters" would be "pre-citizen voters".

wait im a socialist and i hate the democrats

With the reasoning you display in your posts I think the Crack is turning your brain into mush...oh that's right, my bad, you are a Lib.

and do you have proof beyond your own hateful unsubstantiated rhetoric? you know most of us on the right moved beyond color and race a couple of decades ago. if you leftylibs would quit bringing up your own deep seated closeted racism, those of us on the right wouldnt even take notice of a mans color or race. we prefer to judge a man by the content of his character, something you guys dont know how to do. a lesson you guys on the left could take from the late great rev king.

cuz who else is it that will work for low corperate wages, keeping overhead low and share holders happy.

so you really read my comment and then thought the appropriate thing to do was click reply, and type out a personal attack.if that isnt petty and shallow enough, you punctuated it with back handed name calling.

if you want to break this down as a partison issue why not offer a partisan response.those who one would call liberal pose analytical thought after analytical thought while the conservative element provides schoolyard insults.sticks and stones is the level you make this.

as far as me being a lib, i guess in your head i am.when im talking israel im a neo con.pigeon hole much?

So you are saying I'm a closet racist? Interesting, my wife's maiden name is Morales, she is Mexican. My children are of Mexican and Irish/Italian descent..you make an absolute fool of yourself every time you post...are you aware of how ridiculous you make yourself appear when you make such statements about people you know nothing about?

it was a generalization not necessarily aimed at you alone. so did you marry her out of true love or because of some form of misplaced guilt?

They are talking about Illegal immigrants, sure you think they are US citizens but they are NOT. They are here Illegally, or on a school visa. There is a difference

...abso-bloody-lutely...agree...

Bull Shit.

dont bother me........ i'm watching Bill Maher!

if they go through the traditional legal process than i would agree.

i do enjoy your welfare even though i came here legally

i agree with that too

the thing is that theres hardly any guest worker visas for the immigrants that come here

and i agree we need an improved guest worker program with plenty of work visa's to go around

wait but im a socialist and i hate the democrats

and bush was comparitively.......................................

Hey, Bush was a piker in comparison to B.O. plenty. . . remember progressives believe that Bush was an idiot, and now you credit him for being a smarter and bigger gangster than Hussein? . . Bwahahahahaa

Good point

im not claiming he was good at it, just far more criminal.i dont think gotti was smarter than madoff, but certainly more criminal and a greater gangster.
call me progressive cuz i do think he was an idiot. one must be to not notice 8 years of having cheneys hand up your ass playing puppet master.

what crime has obama comitted yet that exceeds lying to congress in order to wage a war?

Did Bush knowingly lie to congress to go to war?
. . . then he was in good company:

Since we haven't found WMD in Iraq, a lot of the anti-war/anti-Bush crowd is saying that the Bush administration lied about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Well, if they're going to claim that the Bush administration lied, then there sure are a lot of other people, including quite a few prominent Democrats, who have told the same "lies" since the inspectors pulled out of Iraq in 1998. Here are just a few examples that prove that the Bush administration didn't lie about weapons of mass destruction...

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998
"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002
"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003
"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

Can you say CHI-CAH-Go....damn yankees lol.

ah here - a ya bubba

i own a few guns. maybe i should go out and lynch me a tea bagger?

THE MOTHER OF ALL FAILS!!!!!

you still havn't answered the question. even after all that effort? :(

"what crime has obama comitted yet that exceeds lying to congress in order to wage a war?"

whats your point both sides are evil

err ahh hem, can you prove your allegations sir or is it just more leftest conspiracy propaganda? how about forcing policies on the majority of americans who dont want it and forcing them to pay for shit they dont want as well

you know the thing i find most ironic about the left? they are always espousing peace and love but they are the most hateful, hostile, vandalistic, vitrolic spewing folks ive ever had the pleasure to meet, boy howdie. yeehaw!

well i do love to spew my hate

allegations?

vandalistic? vitrolic?

You reap what you sow.

Here something you many find interesting, dems suck too!

Yeah, we are quite intolerant of racists, bigots , homophobes, and uneducated loudmouths that attempt to bully others with threats and displays of guns at political rallies.

and you know something. at the glenn beck rally i was like put in charge of the weapons check at the gate and there were like half a million guns checked. one for every man woman and child. it was like fucking amazing. and after their peaceful rally they like picked up all the litter and claimed their weapons back on their way out. i wasnt like suppose to tell anyone about this but its now like long over. we had like snipers on the roof of the lincoln memorial with orders to kill anyone who like caused a fuss, they never even had to like load their weapons, imagine that!