Defending Religious Freedom in America

Did you even read the fucking article? Have you read any on this subject?

It's not a god damned victory mosque, it's not even a mosque, shit for brains.

Oh yes it is and will,and is viewed that way by Muslims everywhere! They murdered 3000 of our people on that site it is hallowed ground! next time you reply to a comment try to communicate like someone with intelligence instead of sounding like a under educated and rude little liberal that knows nothing!

Have you ever read on article on this subject?
Where do you get your news exactly?
What is being proposed to be built is not a mosque. Despite how much you want it to be so you can give us nightmares about Musilms, it is not a mosque. Oh, and it's also not on the Ground Zero site either. It's two blocks north.
What's being built is an Islamic community center. It's going to have a mosque in one of the rooms in the 13 story building, along with the basketball court, swimming pool, auditorium, and culinary school.
It is not a 13 story victory mosque being built on Ground Zero.

More importantly, the Muslims didn't murder 3,000 of our people on that site. Despite how much you want them to have. A group of radical Muslims murdered 3,000 of our people on that site. Not the entire Islamic community.

I may be rude, but it's you who is the traitor. This country was founded on the ideals that one religion is not favored over the other. And there is just enough right for an Islamic community center to be there then there is for the Catholic parish, which stands on the block in between the Community Center and Ground Zero.

Oh and I'm not liberal, although I know all naysayers appear to be. And as far as my education goes, well, I think I'm doing just fine.

And what of the Muslims who died in the 9/11 attacks?

I will now donate just to piss you and your kind off I really hope they build a mosque next to your house JUST TO PISS YOU AN YOUR KIND OFF.!..

I believe you to be as evil as they are! Read addie340's comment,he is 100 percent right! Clearly you have no pride as an American, and are so brainwashed that you refuse to see the outright threat Islam represents to our Christian values and democratic freedoms promised us in our Constitution,which are being stripped away by our own political leaders in favor of Islam! Islam is no better then the Nazi's were and must be shown to the world as evil and psychotic,which must have no place in the land of the free!

Thats because I'm not a Christian. you seen to be the one blinded by fear of what you know nothing about. just as most Christians are. I pitty you and those that think like you.

Wow - seriously? You speak like Americans and Muslims are two different things. News flash. It's a religion, ok - meaning many Americans practice it too. I don't know where to start in deconstructing your ill conceived idea of what America is. We are a country of immigrants, founded by immigrants, created by an eclectic mix of different ethnic groups. By the by, the United States cares WAY more about the rights of its citizens than it does many of the countries it deals with concerning economics and politics, social issues and human rights. Before you spout off your ignorant - blindly nationalistic dribble that ultimately makes you sound like an American stereotype or a Nazi - be a REAL American and read our constitution, look at our bill of rights, and study how and why this country came to be where it is today. In doing so you will truly understand many of our past mistakes and realize how we have overcome them, you will realize how beautiful our nation has been and can be - and the potential we have as a nation to rise above prejudice notions of "us and them". But there is still a lot of work to be done, and perpetuating hatred and intolerance won't create anything of value. If you truly stop to think about, seriously stop and think about it, does hatred create goodness? It sounds simple, right? It's not. Understanding our own agency in the creation of positivity is a powerful thing once realized. I hope you think about it.

Well said my friend!

Islam isn't just a religion and Shariah Law is by any account and enemy of freedom and is so evil,so vile,it must not be allowed to happen here! Already in places like Dearborn Michigan it is being used in place of our laws! I suppose honor killings of women are OK? selling little children to dirty old men that's OK to right? Wake up before it is to late! Read the Qu'ran! Do some research! This political system,this cult,is pure evil!!!! It hates personal freedom! It must be stopped!

And Christianity isn't at all violent? Read your bible and scriptures as well. The idea here is extremism is very bad. That is - the attitude you two are both so vehemently supporting is the thing that condones honor killings and other offenses.

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

"If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife."
(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

And the list goes on. Please - don't even try to pit one up against the other. This is a problem of extremism. Christian and Muslim alike. I did my research, time to reread your holy books.

Oh and another thing - that "It hates personal freedom" crap is a tired argument. There are many progressive members of Islam that are not wrapped up in this idealism like so many of you are. Saying Islam is bad, vile, and an enemy of freedom - you are condemning one of the largest spiritual populations on Earth. Islam stretches from here in the US across the entire world into South East Asia.

You're the type of person that gives the Christian religion a bad name.

What evidence do you have that he was forced to do anything? Your post makes assumptions that are simply a projection of what you imagine and have absolutely no basis in fact...people such as yourself are as transparent as a pane of glass.

A child that age has not yet developed the mental capabilities to understand the concept of Islam or Religion. My evidence is dozens of developmental psychology text books backed by numerous studies. "Forced," may be too strong of a word, but he is not acting of his own volition, but rather of the will of his parents or another adult. Furthermore, if he was JUST identifying himself as a Muslim (not knowing better) and asking not to be hated that would be more acceptable. But, the fact is he is being used as part of a larger political protest that his young mind cannot possibly grasp the intricacies of, let alone choose a side.

The most ironic thing about the Phelps family/WBC is that their protests are literally peaceful. The counter-protesters are vile, threatening, vulgar and violent towards them and actually had a terrorist bomb their church.

At the same time they finance themselves while rejecting donations and don't sell merchandise (who will buy anyways![and they believe receiving money is a sign of a false prophet that sells you hope and what you want to hear in church])

Either the Westboro Baptist Church is really blessed by God because they have been successfully protesting nearly 20 yrs and been able body to do it or they are incredibly lucky and have had a series of coincidences of protection from people that detest them.

I live in Topeka, so I am very familiar with their protests. I disagree with their apparent beliefs and messages, but the adult Phelps can do what they want. It is their method of including children in their protests that I find the most detestable.

THERE IS NO MOSQUE. except the one that was on the 17th story of one of the WTC towers.

That's because the Islamic Community Center is constantly being referred to as a mosque. Even the poll you posted calls it the 'Ground Zero Mosque'.
It's not a mosque.

Did you know that there was a mosque inside of the World Trade Center before it fell?
You can't have a mosque any closer than that.

Also, there is a mosque in the area that is almost just as close to Ground Zero (as the proposed community center), that has been there for 40 years.

In 2009, Fox News praised Imam Rauf on his charity efforts, gave him well-wishes on getting the community center up and going. In 2010, they use it to stroke the flames of bigotry and fear.

So...Quit being stupid.

There was NO Mosque in the Trade Centers, Period, stop insisting there was. There was a Prayer Space open to all faiths, like a small chapel for christians Not A Mega Church or Mosque.

Ahhhh, we get to the meat of the matter. It's completely okay if a CHRISTIAN group creates a multi-faith religious center, but it's damned if a Muslim puts one together. Thanks for clearing that up - and thanks for showing us that it IS about religion, and not location. Not much of a surprise...

If there was no Mosque in the WTC than the "Ground Zero Mosque" is an Islamic Community Center, deal?

So, your Adam Smithian "Reaganomics discriminates? What about your free market? These people have the means to buy something someone wants to sell. What law is being broken (other than an attempt to prevent someone the freedom to buy something)?

"68%"? I would wager much more than that were against desegregation. I just looked it up, 55% were for segregation. And I would say, people nowadays are much more sheepish than in the 60's

and it's not at ground zero.

No it's not.
There's a Catholic church closer to Ground Zero than the Community Center.
Who is more dangerous?

((Did you know that there was a mosque inside of the World Trade Center before it fell? ))

BEFORE the muslims knocked it down...

You obviously have missed the point.

Thanks for the contribution to the conversation.
No reason, no explanation, no logic, just no.
Eloquent in its brevity.

v'd weak post

What a crock jubal.

And your the toad being slow cooked in it.

Normally, no, but this time you are...

Not so paranoid. Look at Europe.

yes, all those evil Muslims are just out to get us poor God-fearing Christian Americans. Seriously, you should listen to yourself...

Good idea, we could learn a great deal from them, such as how to provide health care, mass transportation, preserve forests, recycle, provide quality education, oh, and how to live with people of different beliefs without demonizing them..you know living up to the ideals that we SAY we are about.

michael moore backing this is definately the worst thing that could have happened to their cause; but "pro-terrorist bullshit"!?! do you know how much of an intolerant biggot YOU are being by saying ignorant shit like that? Muslims died in the WTC too, to say that a muslim building near that site is "pro-terrorist" is FUCKING STUPID! the terrorists attacked AMERICA, not the christian faith. America was founded on religous tolerence and people like you (not the terrorists) are destroying the foundation of this country. They can attack us physically but they cant destroy our ideas; that part is up to us. make your decision wisely...

No one is out for the blood of these religious groups.
We'd just like some fucking responsibility to be taken by ANY one of these organizations for their bigotry.
The Islamic faith didn't blow up the WTC, terrorists did.

And a group of Americans saying that it's okay for an islamic community center to be built for the sake of integrated understanding and acceptance of other faith and to you that's "atheist backed pro terrorist bullshit"?

Let's go ahead and raise this money so we can end this logic paradox.

+1^ For whoever knocked your teeth out.

crackhead.

We are just following their religious law....you know and EYE FOR AN EYE.

Horse Shit. What buildings has Michael Moore ever blown-up, or suicide bombed?
If anyone is terrorizing American Citizens, its the faux news corps. Constantly telling miss truths and ignoring facts. They pray upon people's emotions to get ratings. -For the sole purpose of ratings, and making chaos until the "Party of No" is back in power.

In America we have Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion. I stand for both.
There is no difference in burning the Koran or the US Flag. Either is considered Freedom of speech. However, if we burn the American flag, and it's on all of the news stations, it won't anger the people we are currently AT WAR with. -If we burn their Holy Book, then they can say, "See how these evil American's hate God. See how they hate us, and commit sins. Join us, to help in stopping this great evil." -It gives them ammo to recruit with. -Do you see?

Inside of America, both are equal, and both are the same.
Outside of America, where we have troops battling in a war, it's different.

I have the Freedom to burn both, but out of respect and wisdom, I burn neither.

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feeding the troll is baaaad, mmkay? ^_^

voted DOWN!! jackasses

Another cracked head...."Osama bin Laden is alive and well"....girl you are way off. He is dead!

I agree...Osama is toast.

I would be willing to bet they knew he wasn't long for this world, and set him up as the patsy for the whole 9-11 fiasco...but I'm probably being a conspiracy theorist just thinking that....his relatives were hangin with George Sr. on the day the towers went down though, but hell, that can't mean anything.

+1 for the Lovecraft nod!

It is difficult to trust people who are sitting in judgment of others. While I don't believe in religion, there seems to be a fundamental disconnect between what is written in every holy book and how its extremists treat others. Being intolerant in return kind of defeats the purpose.

I hate Fucking Religions....but as an American who supports our constitution and bill of rights...I must support their right to exist because I treasure my right to exercise free thought and speech.

He is. So...don't be hating. lol

wheres free crack? this would be an excellent time for him to make a fool of him self.

Thats what she said?

oh man, do you answer mail addressed to onemalefla? Do you have any idea how tempting it would be to send you...oh, I don't know, maybe a couple of Jehovah's witnesses, drop your address in every 'come visit me' prayer basket across the south...a singing clown telegram....the possibilities are endless. No, you're not getting a cake with a stripper in it....I heard that thought go through your head.

are you sure you have a dog?

all hail spaghetti. both delicious and easy on the wallet

nope I have no need for a god.

All hail the hypno-toad! (clap...clap...clap)

They have and they probably don't reme......All hail the Hypno-toad!

all hail the hypno toad!

VIVA LA COAT FACTORY !!!