simply, and this continues to be hard for you, like many others on here, because "it"(it meaning the subject of the article) is a "SHE", not a "HE" as you claim

in a year, or less, when "it" is a "HE" and not a "SHE", as the RULES (get THAT, another thing you and others don't understand) dictate, "HE" would be free to be the King

for the ump-teenth time, this is not a gender-biased issue... it is an issue with the RULES. "it" could have petitioned to change the rules... "it" did not! and therefore "it" must obey them!

Oh, yes. The sacred rules of the prom court. Let us not forget those.

It's a high school prom. These rules (that according to you no one here understands) are a moot point in this issue. The school could have just as easily changed the rules as "IT" could have petitioned to change them. They chose to stop counting the votes, claiming a technicality because the winner was born a woman. Since they're letting Oak wear a male graduation cap and gown, and a male band uniform, it obviously is not an issue of the rules, since it has been a rule in most schools that the clothes assigned from the school be gender appropriate. I had classmates raise issues with my school in the past over this. This is the school using the sanctity of the Prom as an excuse to shut out an ideology that they don't agree with, all the while claiming it's for the good of the school. And yes, in a year, after the operation, then Oak would be free to be king. Except for the whole part where prom will be over. So he'll stay ineligible.

If this isn't a gender related issue, why is the principal quoted as saying:
"The school must be consistent when it comes to gender."

And great god Science and goddess Nature are by no means offended.
Just the mindless worshipers who do not understand them are.

your "moot point" on the issue (the RULES) is actually the crux of the issue
without the RULES, this wouldn't even be an issue

too simple for you?

Without the rules, there wouldn't be an argument, which they needed to exclude him from the race. They counted his votes until they saw he might have enough to win. They didn't mind if he ran and lost, because it makes them look progressive. But they wouldn't let him be king, because he was born a woman, something his classmates do not treat him like.
The rules are just an excuse. The school is not bound to the rules of prom.

yeah, uhhhh, read the story again (or probably for the first time)
they counted ALL the votes
when SHE won, they applied the rules
not as an "excuse"... they applied the RULES because they are... novel idea here... THE RULES!

contradiction of the day - "the rules are a moot point" / "without the rules, there wouldn't be an argument, which they needed"
LMFAO@U

Hahaha you haven't read the story and your going to tell me to.
That's funny.
They said they stopped counting the ballots BEFORE they were through.

"There is no way to know because they stopped counting Oakleigh's votes."
"We just stopped (counting) when we noticed an ineligible person was running for that category."

In absolutely NO place whatsoever in the article does it state that they finished counting the votes.

It's the schools contradiction, not mine. Yes the rules ARE a moot point, that the school needed for a leg to stand on.

LMFAO@U

Oh, good stuff for the discussion. Thanks!
Okay, well let us address what you said. The only way a person/patient can get the surgery in the US, is after two shrinks have done an evaluation. If the evaluation shows that the patient has a different mind from their body when it comes to gender, the patient can have surgery. However, there is one more hoop the patient has to pass. The two shrinks also have to state that they believe the patient is a good candidate for surgery. Mitigating circumstances like organic mental illness, schitsophrenia, bipolar, borderline personality disorder, etc, often inhibit the patient from moving forward. But in most cases even being mentally ill does not inhibit surgery. The reason is that just because a person has gender dysphoria, and is also bipolar, does not mean you only treat the bipolar. You treat both.
So two shrinks have to state that the patient is mentally the gender the patient says they are regardless of what is between the patients legs. Much like a hermaphrodite can say, I am a man, and everyone accepts that because he should know regardless of what is in between his legs. Since Oakleigh Marshall is a man in his head, he should be able to run. After all, if a man in a wheelchair cannot perform sex like a guy, no one says he is no longer a man. He is a crippled man. In many ways, Oakleigh Marshall is crippled as well. Some states wisely consider people like Oakleigh disabled, as in socially disabled, which is no better then a man in a wheelchair not being able to enter all buildings. The man in the wheelchair is socially disabled if he cannot enter a building to partake in social interaction, business or private. Oakleigh is socially disabled because society has uneducated or bigoted reasons to discriminate.

That was the dumbest thing you've ever posted on Current.

He IS a transgendered male, also known as FTM.
The word "transgendered" refers to the fact that their identity does not match their anatomy.
After the operation he would no longer be transgendered- he would be male, period.

sadly, it's not...

Actually, in the 1979 a very brave woman, Maryam Hatoon Molkara petitioned the Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran to let her have her surgery so she could have a vagina. He agreed, and now Iran is a popular place for the surgeries. Iranians can have the surgery free under socialized medical care. The same is true for most European countries.
East Asia certainly has no problems; Thailand does more surgeries then anywhere in the world.

I would really doubt about Iran under the new mullahs..but at any rate, I would say no matter way you do.. a lot of people prefer to stick to what is see as normal..it takes gradual conditioning to ease society into acceptance..

the 'shock' approach is more destructive at this point...

I don’t know about the new batch of Mullahs as well. That would be interesting to research. I suppose looking for a surgeon in Iran would get one started. The Ayatollah Khomeini was a POS, but even a dictator can have a moment of humane clarity. I think it is the nature of the job that makes dictators and potentates paranoid and cruel. Or is that a no-duh Ez? Everyone suffers under these guys after a time.
Anyway, I have to remind myself that most of the world is not concerned about T issues. So I can understand how some may feel it is all too much to take so fast. However, how long do I have to wait to be equal? Now is a good time.

This is not the Middle East, this is the United States of America.
We do NOT hold ourselves to their standards.

WE are ready for acceptance NOW, and by doing so, we make it easier for others to follow.

dropping out of high school is a bad thing.... Isn't it?

i wish i had done the same thing too. there weren't too many oppressive assholes on my campus but the teachers didn't give two shits. sometimes they wouldn't even show up to classes. i remember classes where the a students started giving out assignments and the other students actually did it and got their grades up. then i would go to teachers meetings where all they discussed was fund raising...

So, you are starting a collection for her surgery?
How nice of you!
How much are you chipping in?

Yeah it's pretty sad.

Well, Oakleigh Marshall is a guy, so he should be able to run for King. BUT, you have a really good point. Why not just call it the Royal Court, then who is King and Queen does not matter. The person, who becomes King or Queen, should have nothing to do with their outward presenting genitalia. The kids would have fun with it. I also think most of the time the student body would elect a girl for Queen and a guy for King, just statistically because there are more straights in the crowd. But on the occasion year when the student body decides to break with the common just for fun and friendship, terrific! It is their time after all.

“I don't think I've ever met anyone who takes this shit seriously.” Perfect, exactly! People with reason, and I am so glad most of the youth are reasonable, are not bothered by T issues. I think a lot of it is simply being secure in who they are, and simply wishing the T folks well. In fact, my impression of most younger people is that IF they have an issue with T folks, it is an issue of celebrating diversity. It’s like I hear, ‘Hurray you’re unique, that is cool, come hang with us, let us celebrate all of our diverse personalities together!’
So why the change? EDUCATION! The ignorant bag on the educational system as something to be done with. However, the educated teacher that corrects the student for laughing at a student who is gay, or different in some way, is setting a better tone for all of us. As children, if a teacher socializes the kids to be non judgmental, it becomes an accepted norm for everyone. It is good for the GLBTIQ (rstuvwxyz. Little joke), it is also good for society as it imprints people to treat everyone with respect and equality.

Rednecks certainly do.

I think the one of the articles about this said that Oak feels glad that his class voted for him and is sad that the school did this but preety much said that he's willing to let it slide and just have fun. His mum though is pissed and wants the schools head, and I understand. She, like any parent, wants to do everything she can ensure that his life is easier and protect him from what she can. When the school took homecoming king from him she went into mama bear mode and attacked what she saw as a threat.

Your conclusion based on ignorance is noted.
Hopefully, you have the ability to acquire information and reassess.

If the "son" in question is a MTF transgendered child, who lives her life completely as a girl, then why the hell shouldn't she be allowed in the Girl Scouts?

Were the Girl Scouts planning any activities that involve nudity?

Would they kick out a little girl with an enlarged clitoris, fused vagina, and descended ovaries?

No shit I agree. I see the G.A.Y. brigade is jumping up and down over this non- story.
Bailey must have called the minions to post! Oh my good....ness! Some strange people posting on this site, it's hilarious and quite amusing at the same time nauseating.

As I recall the Son was not trans-gendered at all. The Parents just wanted to stir up shit as many crusaders do. I am happy to say the Girl Scouts prevailed.

Then it has nothing to do with THIS article, so your comparison is based on your ignorance of the situation.

Great point.

good question lol....

Then one could take the challenge literally to "go screw yourself".
What was that rhyme..there once was a man from nantucket....

Don't play games, you know that looks like a dude.

and yet it is gentalia/reproductive organs that specifically define us into our gender
that's science!
cosmetic surgery doesn't change that

i know of a female who had SRS, then decided to date guys, cuz she likes penis. so a female "becomes" a male, only to be a gay male??? wtf doesnt even begin... the very notion is silly... but true story

Have you ever thought that the relationship between a man and a woman is different between that of a man and a man? Maybe she just had to finally completely behind the lifestyle of a woman to be happy. You can't just judge something while you know none of the motivations

And just because you can't understand doesn't make it "silly".

That's true and an interesting statement about gender actually.

i would agree, but they aren't. they are considering gender, not genitalia.

if she wants to change the system, fine! but she never even tried. 4 years honor student and she never thought to try? i gotta call BS on that. they have a gender-specific policy instead of a gender-neutral one. the students knew the deal. they voted for her to give a middle finger to the adults instead of trying to work it out.
oh well... their loss

lets face it... shes a bratty teenager trying to buck the system & get her 15 minutes on Rachel Maddow! LOL
we all were when we were 17

In general I agree with you, but if boys can be Queens and Girls Kings then whats the point in the Court at all? I remember next to Prom Homecoming and the Royal Court was the highlight of the school year. I never made king, :-( but was always in the Court and it was LOTS of fun. I hate it that people try to politicize EVERYTHING these days and take the fun out of it.

You say: "I hate it that people try to politicize EVERYTHING these days and take the fun out of it."

Don't you realize that's the point here?

The kids all voted on who they wanted their prom King to be, and they picked Marshall.

The school administration is trying to politicize this by forcing their conservative agenda on the children against their will.

"I hate it that people try to politicize EVERYTHING these days and take the fun out of it."

How difficult it must be for you to find that things you are privileged to simply enjoy aren't so simple for other people. With a viewpoint like that it's understandable why you assume they're just complicating things. Minorities have been complicating things for years, and I am very grateful for it. The personal is political, now and until people learn to be more accepting, fair and understanding. It might be a while.

Why is it fair to allow manly Kim to run for King and not girly Courtney to run for King?

I REALLY do understand your point I am just playing the Devils Advocate on this one.

So by that logic, now that I have a vagina, you would consider me a girl sweetheart???!!! LOL!

And that's the whole point, you narrow person... Not everyone identifies with their gender. Some are born identifying with a different gender. Whether he is a she or she is a he just doesn't matter!!

RESPECT the wishes of the individual human, and there is no room for error!

just to clarify... this girl has the surgery to mutilate her body into LOOKING like a male, then i guess they could make her King.
tho even that doesnt make much sense when she will still be a female (remember the nutjob on Oprah that decided she was a man, and then decided to get pregnant? yeah, that made a lot of sense!?!?)

Does that mean you would date a postoperative transsexual woman? I mean she has a vagina now, soooo???

and THAT is my point, you silly kid... it IS a mental illness to identify with a gender other than that which science & nature naturally assign you.

by your reasoning, the mentally handicapped that think they are Superman should be allowed to leap off tall buildings... i mean, hey, they believe they can fly! who are you to criticize their illogical dreams??? LOL

did ovaries & a womb come with that vagina?
if not, i got scientific fact for ya - you aint a woman. you're a guy in drag who had his penis cut off

news for ya... & get this, it comes from scientific data... unless ovaries & a womb came with that "vagina," that aint a woman

What the fuck is your damage? You've been on Current for less than an hour and this is how you choose to introduce yourself to the community? Go back to 4chan where you belong.

You keep calling me a kid. How old are you, exactly?

If mentally handicapped people want to jump off of buildings, let them. Your comparisons are baseless. Are you saying that changing one's gender is equal to thinking oneself is superman and having the ability to fly? What an interesting opinion!

yeah, sure Randy... a mentally handicapped person wants to jump off a building - GO FOR IT!
WTF??? where did you get your brain, KMart?
yeah... to hell with their personal safety... the people below... EFF EM ALL!!! LOL

see what i was trying to point out to you about logic? no??? figures!

So by you logic every woman that had a hysterectomy is not a woman.

Hey, you're the one with a -3 score and lowering!

I LOVE to see all the wacko rednecks that come out of the woodwork ANY TIME there is a story posted about transgendered or homosexual kids from the south/midwest.... It's so entertaining.

You'll spend a few days babbling on this story and a few others like it, and then you'll fade away again.... It's like clockwork, really!

well keep on voting!
results will be revealed on next weeks show
your local news is next...
GOODNIGHT!

did i not say ovaries & a womb?
hmmmm... brush up on your reading comprehension skills down at the adult learning annex.... classes are affordable
and as a side note, that would be exactly why women hate even they THOUGHT of a hysterctomy so much...
you would understand... if you REALLY were a woman, not just a dude in drag with implants & pills for your voice/hair/boobs... LOL
i know i ask a lot of you supposedly "enlightened" liberal whackjobs...

Just as a case in point, what gives you the right to define anyone else? I feel raped when you bag on me for being different then most folks. Raped, so accurate a feeling. I have been around the block a few times, so feeling like that is rape; there is a sickness in hate that emotionally kills just as horribly. Thank you for emotionally raping me like so many others. I hope you are a proud member of that club.

You know a hysterectomy is the removal of the uterus, which is the womb you refer to. And girls can also lose their ovaries for a various number of medical reasons, one way being a hysterectomy.
So what the hell are you talking about?
Of course women hate the idea of a hysterectomy.
Do you like the idea of prostate cancer?

And by the way no college class in the world is going to aid in understanding your posts.

ROFLMFAO @ YOU
HAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
very funny... "raped"

i say "funny" because you must have meant it as a joke. a SICK, twisted, demented, and patently offensive joke! especially to anyone who was ever actually RAPED.
kinda like the protester who cries "racist/sexist/bigot/homophobe/commie/socialist" at anyone who dares to disagree on policy grounds...

sick... just sick
go see a doctor

oh and besides your sick, demented ramblings... Science defines in this case, not me.

sicko

i fully realize why you fail to understand any of my logically presented, rational, well reasoned posts
because you respond with emotion, not logic, and guess what? that is OK!!!

science frightens people. i get that! you are as scared of being told that what you believe is illogical the same way religious people like your parents probably felt when you came out of the closet
or the way the Romans felt when Galileo told them the earth was not the center of the universe... it frightened them
and now scientific facts frighten you. i hope someday you will come to understand

i know what you meant

and you are still the real sick freak here, not i, for claiming you have been mentally 'raped' over a chat forum

ps- i never offered up any hate in any post
now go take your meds & good luck with those emotions!

Do you think about anything you say or does it come out in its earliest form?

You're talking a lot but you're not saying anything, and you're definitely not answering my question.
Women can naturally lose their uterus and ovaries if they develop cancer and have to get a hysterectomy. So how does it make any sense in your rational, well reasoned posts when you claim that ovaries and the womb are the defining quality of a woman.

If science scares me why am I talking about medical science and you are talking about fear and mental superiority?
What is it about what I believe that is illogical? What is it I believe?
Oh, and my family isn't religious and I've never spent a prolonged period of time in a closet. I'm also not gay.

You need to learn to properly explain yourself before you worry about the comprehension skills of anyone on this site.

"gender" has more than one valid definition. In ordinary speech, its interchangeable with "sex" to denote the condition of being male or female

the definitions are different re-biological & sociological use, however
social sciences approach gender as a social construct
natural sciences re- biology and behavioral differences in males & females influence development of gender in humans

thanks for playing though!

you question my reading comprehension skills? why? because i'm black? or because i am a lesbian? or is it because i am an albino??? man, i cant catch a break in this world

you, sir, are a racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobe!!! mocking my reading comprehension skills based solely on my hair color? for shame!!!

i suppose you are right in 1 respect, clearly i didn't come right out and explain to you that i am mocking you openly, and with aplomb!

sorry to hear you are still "closeted"
good luck with that! i'm sure you'll deal with it in your own way, when you are "ready"
off to get my new glasses...
cheers! :)