Marijuana to be legalized in Utah?

It's really ignorant to post something like that.

No, bartenders can pour drinks in front of customers.

Not all of us are LDS, not all LDS are polygamist.

Our alcohol laws aren't "weird", they're strict. We also have the lowest DUI rate per capita, thankfully.

Yes, in some restuarants they do pour drink in another room. Plus in some places you have to finish the drink( if you can call them drinks) first before they will bring you another. AND they meter the drinks.

I mean no disrepect, but yes Utah is weird!!!!!!! Living here is like walking into the twilight zone. And before you tell me that I should move, believe me I'm trying my best to get out of here.

Why is it weird?

I don't think it's weird for them to limit how much you have to drink. It restricts people's inane ability to drink and drive. Not to mention, if you order alcohol in a restaurant, you have to order food as well. I'm incredibly happy with Utah's alcohol laws.

As for the idea that they have to pour the alcohol in another room away from the customer, I have *never* seen that so, I would like to know where you've seen this. Do you mean when they make mixed drinks behind the bar at Chili's or Applebee's?

raves always come after weed...

yeah, if any federal police happen to be around.

True, but the DEA is on the Fed's leash. It doesn't usually get the authority to roam free and contradict a President's wishes.

And if it got really bad, keep in mind that the President has the power to pardon anyone.

So vote for Ron Paul.

Utah has been a massive Tenth Amendment state. It also, very much so, favors Second Amendment rights. Good luck to the Feds if they want to come in and try to take over.

DEA have plenty of bureaus in all states and routinely carry out raids ESPECIALLY in California. San Diego is still the highest trafficked border crossing into America I think. Plus board agents can legally search your person, your cell phone, and your computer for nondescript 'suspected illegal activity' if you're anywhere within 150 mile of the United States border and that DOES include living within that zone. The border agents are federal police.

^'d. It would probably help Utah since they're the most depressed state if I'm not mistaken. But highly unlikely that such a conservative state (they voted more for Bush in 2004 than any other state) would legalize weed.

Edit: yeah it is:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=4403731

http://www.nmha.org/index.cfm?objectid=830C7B01-1372-4D20-C8C3ABE005DFFE16

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/695231562/Study-Utah-most-depressed-state-in-...

+^d

Well being from Utah and being LDS I can assure you that there have been no revisions to the drinking of Coke, it was always up to individual's discretion. Also, there is a VERY strong libertarian movement in Utah and as such, the people in Utah would be very interested in seeing the role of the Federal and State Government's reduced considerably. I wouldn't count Utah out.

Your religion strictly bans caffeine, it was very much not up to the individual.

And a strong Libertarian streak? Really? What's all that business with the miscarriages then? Or how about those stickers on your driver's licenses? You know the ones I'm talking about.

I'm thinking you don't know your own state as well as you think. Either that or your definition of Libertarian is out of whack.

My first reaction to your reply was to laugh out loud. Slowly though, the laughter faded and the reality of your words set in. Pretty sad state of affairs.

My religion has something called the Word of Wisdom. That instructs us to eat food in season, in moderation, and not smoke, drink or have hot drinks. Those are Coffee and Tea. The % of caffeine in a can of Coke vs. a Cup of Coffee is quite different so there has never been an official church position on it.

And lets say there was one. That is OUR religion. We do not expect others who live in our state to live to our code. Evidence? You can buy a Beer in Utah. Starbucks is in Utah. So why would one intoxicating drug get preferential treatment to an arguably less harmful drug?

The bill that would try and stop pregnant mothers from beating their own bodies to force a miscarriage? You have to admit thats some pretty brutal stuff. Not something I know much about personally so I'll defer to the courts.

Sticker on my drivers license? Sorry I don't know what your talking about.

Personal Liberty is very crucial to the LDS religion. It is even mentioned in our scriptures in multiple places. But the LDS church and the State of Utah are two different things.

Utah also has the lowest drunk driving rates.

In 2008 Utah had the lowest alcohol-impaired driving fatality rate – 0.21 fatalities per 100 million vehicle miles of travel (VMT)

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pubs/811250.pdf

Also drink a lot less per capita.

Hopefully, decriminalization/legalization of marijuana doesn't happen in Utah.

Yeah, I have no idea about the stickers, either. Underage thing, perhaps? I kindly ask for you to reply to me if you find out. Thanks. =)

rofl... they can drink coke naow

@ Saladin, Momonism isn't exactly the first to have a health code that seems contrary to scientific logic. There are whole isles in grocery stores for Kosher foods, Catholics with their fish on Fridays etc.

Never had an official position? Maybe not in the sense that you didn't pass a referendum. Otherwise it's a plainly obvious fact. The water only wedding reception I attended wasn't very ambiguous about that.

I'm thrilled you think it's an accomplishment that your state doesn't ban products on the basis of its most popular religion. But to a normal state, that's considered a pretty basic constitutional right, right up there with you won't be thrown in jail for criticizing the local leaders.

The bill criminalizes miscarriages and puts the burden of proof on the mother to prove that it was actually accidental and not intentional, making it both a guilty before proven innocent law and also a blatant establishment of a religious claim since it's been decided by the Supreme Court that a fetus is not a human being and cannot be equated to murder.

Oh really? You mean you don't know anything about those little stickers you can get 0on your driver's licenses that say you're a Mormon? Certainly not so the police know to treat you better or anything like that.

I really don't care what your religion says about personal liberty, they don't follow it by any means.

And yeah, sure, lots of religions have goofy fucking rules about not eating certain kinds of food for "purity" reasons. But yours is the only one I know that changes its own rules once it places investment in the Coca-Cola company.

Out of respect for those who don't wish to drink Coke, there are usually alternatives available or the caffeine free alternative is made the default. Or water.

Saladin, its ALWAYS been like this. Ever since statehood. Its not a "new" thing.

I am not familiar with the miscarriage laws in Utah.

I have never heard of these stickers. Can you find proof that they exist? And if they do. . . do you REALLY think the police officers would treat you any differently? Most of the ones that I have interacted with have gotten quite a kick out of a fine upstanding LDS member breaking the law in some way. Especially on Sunday Mornings when they are out working and we are all speeding around trying to get to church on time. They find it quite funny. :-) Don't really blame them.

I personally believe personal liberties are very important but I do not speak for the entire church or represent it in any way.

The rule NEVER CHANGED on Coke. You will not find a single place in any of our older handbooks that describe the consumption of Coke as being a violation of the Word of Wisdom.

I'm sorry, but I have not had good outcomes with LDS people. I am sorry to say that I do not believe a word that comes out of their mouths.

Nothing with caffine. Maybe decaffinated coke!!!????

I'm sorry you feel that way.

what if they call it energy-syrup instead of caffeine rofl

A real open minded "progressive" attitude you have going on there CalgarC. Classy.

i am always progressive and always positive..

then come the corporations.........